Immaterialism 4

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There is no conflict, only the illusion of conflict.

The outsiders and their logos are only abstractions.

smelly,

Barfield was an immaterialist...... he was a monist.  

Corbin, Hillman and Cheetham are all trying to balance mind and matter........ it doesn’t work.  It is completely incoherent.

The three mystics all believe that God is dead..... that he died on the cross.  

Barfield knows better....... you should, too.  

No, God is not dead.  

You have forgotten RAW and The Cosmic Trigger.  

You think that history will end with a whimper.  

No, God has just been keeping his powder dry.  Just you wait, you mystics.  God will teach all of us a thing or two about the Metanarrative.  


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Participation is how we partake of universal mind.

They do not feel God is dead, they describe that as the premise for postmodernism, anyway.

From Saving the Appearances...

“The earlier awareness involved experiencing the phenomena as representations; the ladder preoccupation involves experiencing them, nonrepresentationally as objects in their own right, existing independently of human consciousness. This latter experience, and it’s extreme form, I have called idolatry.”

Tom and peers’ thesis is imagination reconnects us to universal mind, same as Barfield.

They are saying the same thing.

Barfield studied this on his own and found Rudolf Steiner also came to similar conclusions about mind, again, these streams are all connected as I am only speaking to my self here now. Jung was also greatly influenced by Steiner and Blake and Swedenborg.

All part of the same stream if you can sense it.

I simply share it as I see it.

Whether you see what I’m seeing is irrelevant Dan.

Thanks for the discussion.

Enjoy your studies.

smelly,

Since the beginning, I’ve been saying that God is a dramatist.

You are about to find this out.

Remember that we’ve had all Eternity to work on this Finale.

I don’t think anyone will be asking for their money back.......


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We come back to the garden with the power to ‘grasp’ things and have throughly learned how to capture a certain level of detail about things that was born from our ‘I-it’ way of living life. That skill is part of how the cosmos learns about itself and is valuable.

We have learned the evil and danger of abstractly grasping things and relying on models. The models become the landscape they map, but they are not the real landscape.

But the separation of ‘I-it’ is dissolving and what Barfield and Tom and all these others have mapped out by observing what is happening is a way through this natural process of leaving and returning and is closer than our breath.

Have fun returning to where we always are.

My grin is knowing all have to return to themselves and learn to be thoroughly comfortable in their own skins to attain.

That is what drives the will to attain and it trumps the will to power we seemed to be trapped by presently.

Being trapped though is an illusion, as are missions to fix things.

We never left.

We can just trust the flow.

Leaves me with a warm peaceful feeling knowing this while enjoying a warm hearth and home.

Golly, smelly,

So this was just a trial run......... one fine day, we’ll get it right...... back to the drawing boards.  

Can you please tell us how to spell E-T-E-R-N-I-T-Y........?  

What is there about Eternity that you don’t get?  

What is there about time being an illusion that you don’t get?  

You have no clue about the power of the Logos.  

The Logos does not evolve, it simply manifests itself through the prism of time.  

You have to look sharp, or you might miss it....... but no one will miss its grand entrance at the Finale.  

You mystics think that the show is over........ it ain’t over until the fat lady sings.  
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Would God try to fool us........ surprise us like that?

Well, God is not capricious.  God would not surprise us unless there was a very good reason.  

And, yes, friends, there is a very good reason.  

We had to keep our noses to the grindstone, right up until the last day...... right up until the Sabbath/Millennium.  

Mama don’t allow no slackers around here.  

We will have all Eternity to rest.  

Did you miss some of God’s cues?  We were meant to.  We can all watch the reruns.  


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So Dan, what is the grand finale supposed to look like and how long will it last?

What does the age of Aquarius look like when it is in full swing?

What happens when the age of Aquarius ends, what's next?

Eternal rest.....

Hmmm....

Perhaps that is the finale.

Yes, yes it is the finale....I think.

But how can one rest unless they let go of their attachments?

Dan is attached to the future and so he is not fully resting in the now yet...no?

Don't know

Straight on

Can't fully rest until you die, can't die until you let go of all attachments, including the logos and the future.

Damn, what I just said is an attachment to logos...

Hmmm...

Strange

Dan may be onto something.

Aaron,

The Grand Finale..........?  it might look a lot like Revelation.  

Aquarius/Millennium.........?  well, one possibility is that it could be an extended Rapture via portal.  

After the Omega........? we will have finished our closed timelike curve (CTC). We should feel free to visit the Alpha.

We will, and it will be as if for the first time, because it will be...... for all intents and purposes.


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Eternal rest for All actually makes a lot of sense

After the Omega there must be another Alpha spontaneously appearing.

If we visit the Alpha again, how is that eternal rest?

For the center of the wheel it is always eternal rest, but we would loose awareness again.

We will reorient again with the circumfrance and forget about the center.

Keep in mind that Eternity may not last forever...... it just might seem that way.  Eternity is a time-free zone, or where time becomes multi dimensional.

Another Alpha.... spontaneously appear.......?

You must be thinking that time is something absolute, unto itself.

I seriously doubt that, Aaron.

All existence is relative. Time is no exception.

Time exists only in the context of the Metanarrative.

We are the best story ever told. Would you like to come up with a better one? You will have all Eternity to think about it.



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Okay, I understand what Dan is saying.

Dan is right Smelly.

As within so without.

Good for you, I understand nothing really.

Like knows like, green calls to green, finished Green Man. Took me awhile as I had to do a lot of cross referencing, which has opened to some very profound realizations and synchronicities.

To explore these inner landscapes and see how they map to the outer landscapes and vice versa, one begins an intimate dialogue with being and thought.

Your experience can’t be understood by others really.  

God have I learned that.

The absolute shit and the lies people settle for is beyond me. Ultimately one can only polish their own mirror and can only do their own work of integration.

Dissolving the ‘I-it’ duality is hard work, no lie.

I am still mystified by Khadir and the Green energy of the Green Man.

There does appear to be a common thread in all the heretical teachings of Islam, Christianity and Judaism that seems connected to a deep ancient Awareness in human beings.

That is so curious to me.

We are filed with images that connect us across time, which is how I started this crazy descent into being and thought.

I can declare no beginning or ending of anything.

Things seem to appear as they like, what problem could I have, straight on.

I have no idea about the timeline though.

How long will the finale take?

Could be hundreds of years before all are laid to rest, could be thousands.

I Am Alpha and Omega, duh Smelly.

It's not so hard to declare.

Or as Dan would say, We Are.

I understand nothing really.

The search was not for understanding.

The search was for knowing Smelly, get some.

It's a mix of wisdom and understanding.

You can spell it with a 'g' if you like.

When you gnow you gnow.

dan wrote:Golly, smelly,

So this was just a trial run......... one fine day, we’ll get it right...... back to the drawing boards.  

Can you please tell us how to spell E-T-E-R-N-I-T-Y........?  

What is there about Eternity that you don’t get?  

What is there about time being an illusion that you don’t get?  

You have no clue about the power of the Logos.  

The Logos does not evolve, it simply manifests itself through the prism of time.  

You have to look sharp, or you might miss it....... but no one will miss its grand entrance at the Finale.  

You mystics think that the show is over........ it ain’t over until the fat lady sings.  
...........

Would God try to fool us........ surprise us like that?

Well, God is not capricious.  God would not surprise us unless there was a very good reason.  

And, yes, friends, there is a very good reason.  

We had to keep our noses to the grindstone, right up until the last day...... right up until the Sabbath/Millennium.  

Mama don’t allow no slackers around here.  

We will have all Eternity to rest.  

Did you miss some of God’s cues?  We were meant to.  We can all watch the reruns.  

(cont.......)

Persist in your folly as long as you like.

It’s your game.

Aaron wrote:The search was for knowing Smelly, get some.

It's a mix of wisdom and understanding.

You can spell it with a 'g' if you like.

You certainly don’t know, thanks for being a witness to that.

Catch up Smelly, you are now falling behind. The future is now.

Don’t worry, Aaron, smelly is riding shotgun on this little operation.

I'm not worried about Smelly.

He has his eternal relaxed grin, that's all that matters really.

The prophetic tradition just dropped another MoAPS.

Damn!

Aaron,

Timeframe for the Millennium........?

Hmmm........ oh, how about a thousand years....... give or take.......?