Immaterialism 4

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I'm not so sure the length of time could be known.

After that MoAPS, missions are back in business, but our mission has to be fun. We must not take our mission too seriously. The Escaton will be quite the gameshow.

Let's see...where were we? Ah yes, portals, The Hive, The Queen Bee, floods, fires and drones.

Straight on.

Every living creature must die alone.

The Earth must be cleansed.

Mom's gonna fix it all soon, Mom's coming 'round to put it back the way it ought to be.

Aaron wrote:

Mom's gonna fix it all soon, Mom's coming 'round to put it back the way it ought to be.

Okay, reality check. Unless Mom plans on leaving enough people to maintain the infrastructure that supports our nuclear power plants, there will meltdowns all over the place, polluting this planet for thousands of years to come and essentially ruining it.

Same goes for a "flood". What will happen to all the worldwide cooling ponds?

I think Humankind and Earth's fate are bound. Only we can undo what has been done here; there will be no salvation for this place if we're hit by an act of god. No Mom coming to set everything straight. Only horsemen to lay waste.

https://youtu.be/k9IfHDi-2EA

The Earth must be born again of water and fire, how that manifests in appearance who knows.

Eventually all must die and surrender to love...to gravity.

Those who are incapable of surrender will be forced to surrender in one way or another.

This morning, I got a briefing, of sorts, on Joe’s ManyOne operation........  

Ron tries to put a good face on ManyOneCentral.  

Here is a press release....... http://academyofscienceandarts.org/press-releases/manyone-international-contact-center/ .... dated 4/9/13.  

I recognize the names of Bernie Haisch and Frank Cutler.  I have no idea if Bernie is still with the organization.  

In my past conversations with Joe, he has often referenced a movie that he is prepared to release simultaneously to 9 stadiums around the world.   A trailer for this movie was on the site about a year ago..... it was reasonably slick.  It made reference to a future paradise on Earth.

I understand that Joe is still the ‘Chairman’ of the board, but I don’t know if you’ll find that in writing, anywhere.  

Kevin is still the ‘CEO’.  Doug is...... well.......

Ron and I had a lengthy discussion about Doug’s position with MO.  

I would be very happy for Doug to come forward and clarify this matter.  

My impression of the matter is that Doug is performing a major ‘outreach’ function for MO, while continuing with his various artists endeavors.  

Ron frequently refers to Doug as the Discloser.  My status, in that regard, is still under review.  My primary transgression in that department was my surprise visit to SLC.  

Here’s another piece of gossip.......

Simultaneously slated for release with Doug’s musical production is a movie....... the movie was previously said to have Steven Segal playing the part of Ron.

I gather that the movie and musical may have overlapping themes and characters.....but the productions are being kept separate.  

Slated to appear on stage will be a more or less functional replica of Joe’s version 1.0.  

Other replicas are already in production, and are slated to be distributed globally, partly under the auspices of Kevin and Doug, presumably.  


2:50.........

It was not long ago that Joe appeared to be on the way out, but times also appear to change.  

‘Why Joe,’ we might wonder?  ‘Why me,’ Joe might wonder?  

Actually, I’m not sure if Joe is capable of asking that question.  In fact, I’ve never heard Joe pose a serious question.  

Ron’s assessment is that amongst the ‘loons, crooks and worse’, Joe came off as the least of the above.  Ok........

And there is the ancillary consideration that Joe made an early investment of ~40 million in his own project.  Otherwise, Joe and Kevin remain virtually destitute, although Kevin has not asked me to pay his phone bill in the last few months.  
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So much for gossip.........

Back to the future.......

The future of Disclosure.......?  And the Millennium.......

If Disclosure was to be outsourced, how better to outsource it, we might ask.  I’d be hard put to come up with a better plan, but I remain open to suggestions.  

And where will the Small World fit into the grand opening?  

Hmmm......... well, approximately nowhere, at this point.  
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The Earth must be born again of water and fire, how that manifests in appearance who knows.

Eventually all must die and surrender to love...to gravity.

Those who are incapable of surrender will be forced to surrender in one way or another.

It would be difficult to take exception to this....... yes?  

My only comment would be........ it sounds like the best possible Eschaton...... hear, hear.......

Now, sports fans, the next question is how will Aaron’s Disclosure be appended to Joe’s.  

As of now, we’re lacking a proper segue.  


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As to the Earth being born again..............

According to the BPWH, the Earth resides in Eternity.  

Unlike with Joe’s machine, the Earth is not subject to replication.  

Yes, the Mona Lisa can be replicated, by a variety of means.  But I doubt that any replication would get you much more than an espresso...... maybe a double espresso on a good day.  

Aaron should know this, even though Joe has no clue.  

Joe is not a personalist.  What more is there to say?  

So much for Disclosure 1.0......  

We can hear the ‘muppets’ now......  wait just one minute...... I didn’t know that we were on candid camera.  

Surprise.......!  

Yes, sports fans, this is Disclosure 2.0.  


4:30(gmt-4)..........

Hmmm........ things are rather quiet..... out there in muppetland......



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When I say Earth I really mean the people residing thereon.

What is my seque with Joe?

The eschaton needs two witnesses....I am one of two witnesses..... I was with another the day I visited the Lab, my brother, but he may not yet realise he is a witness. He only stuck an arm and leg through his personal portal and then it closed.

Aaron,

Technical detail.........

Maybe Smelly is the second witness...???

That Green Man book was haunting me, glad I’m done with it.

Illuminating and challenging, more dissolving of my idols.

Saviors are a misunderstanding of revelation and prophecy. Every religion has a dogmatic literal branch it seems with a physical savior and prophecies about time. The Green Man spoke about the common mystical center of all religion and I was intrigued because it was similar to my personal path to knowing.

But I don’t have to pretend to be an academic.

I can free range.

My experience of the revelation of being is internal, which completely alters one’s relationship with matter. It is all metaphor and myth you find, as is your very personality.

We are the walking talking embodiment of metaphor and myth. Taking them back from the literal is the work.

The Buddha never mentioned Matraiya. The Buddha did not promote his personality, he spoke to the Buddha that exists in all beings.

Jesus’ people were awaiting his physical return in their lifetime, where Jesus said he would meet them inside whenever they like.

Many myths spring up around powerful personalities. Humans try to elevate the personalities. What makes them powerful is their own personal illumination and focus, which no one can give to another.

I have chosen to cultivate my self in response to the wisdom I have found, not engage in hero worship, which is a disservice to their testimonies of love.

The inability for the religious to imagine the world before or after their religion is their myopia.

What a lack of imagination. Not very becoming of a Human Being.

You can get your house in order and only the Master of the House can do so or live in yours and others’ mess, your choice.

An interesting character who influced the ones in the church I can relate to like Augustine and Ekhart was Pseudo-Dionysius the Areopagite.

Mystical dude.

“According to pseudo-Dionysius, God is better characterized and approached by negations than by affirmations. All names and theological representations must be negated. According to pseudo-Dionysius, when all names are negated, "divine silence, darkness, and unknowing" will follow.”

His system was to transcend the symbols. His experience was that it was beyond his words and rational mind. How rare to hear a Christian say such things.

Mind beyond mind, word beyond speech.

Unreasoning anger and the mindless desire of the emotions are not innately evil.

Whenever you determine to avoid evil, surely will you meet it. We redeem evil by letting what is attracted to it in us, get close to the objects of its desire. Resistance is what gives these strength. When we stop resisting, it seems the attraction diminishes. This seems like a natural process.

The evil is the imperfection and opportunity to manifest virtue. If something has being it is not good or evil. Evil or good is not the cause, but the influencing forces on matter, one manifests the other.

God in form is not the One cause, but it’s Theophany. All things, good or evil are part of the system.

I like that word and it related to Thelema and Magick as well. As they invite the forms of God to manifest in their various aspects.

Much of life is learning not to take it literally or very seriously.

My writing and research is a way I responded to the love I feel and a form of playing.

You all do as you like.

Share the gold and coal you find in life or don’t.

I derive nor promote any ultimate laws or systems of being, but I share the effective tools I find.

To be breathin is achieven the goal of your life, to be here now.

Who cares who can see or accept life and the play around it, your experience was for you after all and no one else can validate or invalidate it for you.

I see the faces of being anywhere I look, even on the back of my eyelids.

That’s how Ayuasca works by the way, the visions only dance on the backs of your eyelids.

Eyes open and you just see the frames of being unfold, shut your eyes and an inner cosmos comes into focus.

That’s very interesting.

My words appear between songs.

The words point to the songs.

The songs point to the only thing happening now.

Is the council of 7 the 7 headed dragon?

When is the millennium, where is the millennium, how is the millennium?

Will every living person find rapture through a portal in a grand finale?

Will all find eternal rest?

Who knows?

I don't!

My not knowing is my rest.

Knowing is clinging and clinging is not rest.

I tried on Dan's shoes for a day and it only felt like baggage that needed burning off.

Not my cup of tea Dan.

I feel so much lighter now.

Shrug

Nothing to do but everything is getting done.

Straight on.

There will be many ways to skin the Rapture cat.

How can the external rest if the internal isn't fully at rest?

How can the internal rest unless it has let go of the future and of knowing?

Rest comes by letting go and simplifying...letting go of concepts, ideas, attitudes, beliefs, the past and future, knowing, missions, traps, idols, etc.

You have to even let go of being your own odol to yourself.

You have to walk backwards into the darkness, the only way to true rest.

Collecting sign posts along the way only weighs you down..

Knowing is limitation.

Wu Wei Now Now Now underground is freedom and rest.

The way takes a leap of faith into the eternal darkness...alone with the alone.

Dan has lost his discloser title to someone with strategic brown-nose abilities. A Faustian tale retold a long line of many who tried the same...but were left drained of time & life as if touched by a LICH...
The rat hole leads to rats. The rabbit hole to rabbits. The future is clear. The new discloser is more "presentable", so Dan will be religated back to his primary role as ATM.

"The game has been flushed...
The hounds' howls & horseman's hoof falls echo through the umbral...
...the hunters approach...
...the game shutters..."
                      - AP -

I’m here to disclose the small world.  

The present tactics call for the disclosure of version one of Joe’s machine, which machine is to be presented on its own merits....... ostensibly having nothing to do with the small world.  

It is likely the Grant C will be the next to interview Joe.  Although Grant wrote the Managing Magic book, he has, since, backed away from that topic.  

The small world is necessarily a personal world..... it is about mind over matter.

The entire Sarfatti/Puthoff initiative, TTSA in its present guise, is all about explaining mind with physics.

The one thing physics cannot do is explain ‘now’.......

Physics can explain the collision of two particles.  

If you do one thing, something else will happen, subsequently....... cause and effect.  

But, in fact, science knows nothing of causes.  Can a rainstorm not cause a flood?  

Ok, but that is not a scientific question.  There are no scientific questions.  Science is a collection of facts, do with them what you will.  

Are there not scientific observations?  A straight answer is ‘no’.  There are observers who are scientists, is as close as you can get.

Does quantum theory not make reference to observations?  

Not actually.  Strictly, quantum theory only employs probabilities.  How probabilities might be inferred is all a matter of convention.

And what ever happened to ‘now’?  

It has entirely disappeared from the lexicon of science.  The notion of time is present in full force....... in all its splendor.  And, sure, you may ask a scientist for the time of day.  

The ‘shining’ present, however...... What is that?  When is it?  

What is it to be present...... one to the other?  How is that any different than the collision of two particles?  

There is something like what it is to be present.  Yes, there is a physical component, but the phenomenon is irreducibly subjective.  

We are tempted to say, with Wheeler, that no phenomenon is real, if not observed.  Is the Big Bang not real?  Well, I would readily agree that the Big Bang saves a lot of appearances, particularly the darkness of the night sky.

By definition, everything that has ever appeared, has appeared in someone’s ‘now’.  And, it is no trivial matter, not just semantics, to say that 7.8 billion of us are present, now.  

Yes, there is a unity of individual consciousness, and there is also, equally unfathomable, a foundational unity of our interpersonal consciousness.  

This is the foundational intuition of monism....... of the Monad...... yes, of God.  

Are we not just atoms swerving in the Void?  smelly&co often suggest as much.  They should know better.  The present...... the Presence is a shared something...... God knows what...... science sure doesn’t.

The Big Bang is science’s very bold, but ultimately very feeble attempt to grasp the Monad...... to own the Monad.  But, no, we are owned by each other, however much smelly and the Capitalists might wish to disagree.  

The whole point of the portals is to demonstrate that we do not exist in a void.  The cosmos is just our cosmetic, the backdrop for our stage.  


(cont.......)

Dan,

sounds like it is all connected, a little like all of us


I look forward to hearing Grant's interview with Joe when it's posted.


As regards MO, from what is presently available, it sounds really good. I believe we are well overdue an Internet evolution.

all of like intention , play a part

Doug,

Totally agree.

Will be great to see and hear more of your musical production too. Please do let us know when its going on release.

I think the world is both ready and inwardly seeking a 'new vibe, tune and story' kind of somewhere between the 'Music of the Spheres' and the energy and optimism I am told was present in the 1969 - 71 era.

cuan/  thanks,   my musical is quite away off.  i have about 10 songs written, (will need 20) and 1/3rd the writing.  but its good,  I'm very inspired and "called to mission " if you will.  

Mostly, Im happy in the work .  So for now Im keeping discussion on it on the back burner.  However I will plan to share one of the works here sometime soon if ok with Dan, " the real discloser"

its a game of smoke and mirrors!

and who knows, I may even create a character after smelly, the grand merlin of today!

That's great Doug

Sounds good

Dont worry Dan...cause after all ...

For those of you looking for more substance regarding Joe's point of view, I found this buried in some of the materials on the MO website (see below).  Joe is quite verbose, but this buried paragraph seems to propose a physical correllary/description of the "we are one" concept that some of the visitors, contactees, Grant Cameron, etc. emphasize:

"In my review of pre-scientific and classical concepts of space, I observed that notions of space have progressively differentiated into two general and competing ideas: (a) space is a dimensionality in which all things exist, and (b) space is a dimensionality of which all things
are made. In the former case, space is usually viewed as an idealized, unbounded, three-dimensional void in which matter exists, moves and interacts. In the latter case, space is usually viewed as a kind of ‘metric’ or ‘field’, whose dimensions are not “flat” in the common sense
we experience, but rather ‘warped’ to cause and reflect the ways matter moves and interacts. In this latter view, it is now often speculated that matter particles themselves are knots or strings in the metric or field of space (or space-time)."

So, particles, people, etc. are not distinct "things" within the volume of space (and therefore separate entities unto themselves), but knots or warpings of one singular underlying substrate.  I guess its the ole' aether hypothesis....

"Might it be that the space medium is, in fact, a continuum of omnidirectional pressure, purely and simply ‘push’, whose only topographic variations are density gradients which we call radiation, and in more complex self-sustaining forms, matter? What simpler ontology offers broader explanative power than an infinite medium of pressure differentiating only in traveling and self-interacting patterns of density?

Might it be that we humans are like fish in a Cosmic ocean whose electrodynamic pressure – the ‘water’ we call ‘space’ – we cannot sense, because we are made of it? Might we have mistakenly characterized local variations in this pressure as ‘dimensional warps’ in our attempts to geometrize the pressure asymmetry – gravity – and the geometry of interaction with it – inertia – that keep us floating near our Cosmic shore?"

Haha Doug.



As always Dan, you show that you are a terrible channel of what others experience.

Stick to sharing your own experience and have some faith that others are much much much more aware than you are.

Yuh can take the foot off the gas now old man and let Jesus take the wheel