Immaterialism 4

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Yes, smelly has managed to short circuit the truth, and has immolated himself in the process.  

Me.......?  I like to play with Erector sets.  I’m a constructionist.  I like to see how the blocks fit together.  

I do cheat.  I have a cheat sheet.  I know the end of the story is also the beginning..... Alpha = Omega.  

I’m willing to go even further....... Alpha/Omega is a person, and I do believe I know who that person is.... historically.  

I’m a personalist.  smelly boarders on nihilism.  He likes to play with that fire.  I believe that fire is mainly for cooking........ and there are the Raw and the Cooked...... smelly likes sushi style....... I’m more into medium-well, thank you very much......

Ostensibly, Foot has given me a time out.  Sometimes I style myself as the holy comforter........ it’s that comforting Joe was not in my contract.  

Doug can do that much better than I ever could.  

Joe refuses to think beyond tomorrow.  Joe refuses to think beyond being the Second Coming for the Milky Way.  

As I am to Joe, smelly is to me.

How does Joe get to be the Second Coming for the Milky Way?  

Well, it’s a little bit complicated, and I’ll have to fill in some of the details for Joe........

Bottom line....... we are the first planet of choice for our galaxy.

Yes, we are in a third generation solar system. The systems in the earlier generations do not have as many of the heavy elements as we do. We are of greater density...... gravitas, if you will.

This sounds a bit like the reverse of the spiritual densities spoken of in the Law of One.

We were able to go to the dark side, unlike our elder, less dense, siblings.



(cont......)

dan wrote:I’m willing to go even further....... Alpha/Omega is a person, and I do believe I know who that person is.... historically.  

Glad to hear you call me out

YES , TRUE GARZ

WELL HAPPY ANNIVERSARY TO SMELLY ANYHOW

We live in Universe 3.0? Wow, the first two iterations must have been *really* shitty.

Coding under unrealistic deadlines never works out well.

CC,

Actually, version 4 of Joe’s machine would be the holodeck version, which is what the Earth is.  

Version one is mechanical.  

Version two is solid state.  

Version three is organic.  

Version four is ecologic.  

All versions are up and running in parallel, but we don’t want to disturb anyone’s slumber of materialism...... not quite yet..... thank you very much.  

So we take baby steps...... just what the doctor ordered.  

Joe is slated to be the president for version one.  I support Joe wholeheartedly in that position.  It’s just that I’m no good when it comes to pretending that there aren’t later models....... already in existence.  

I have enough problem pretending to be smart.  Pretending to be dumb is even harder for a non actor, however.  

I’m more interested in the makeup of the Council.  If you had gone to Central casting, and requested a motley crew, never in your wildest imaginings could have come up with this one.  

The latest addition may be Paul’s ‘stalker’ friend. They each have restraining orders on the other. It would be hard to make this up.

Each is POI of one sort or another. Of course, every last one of us is a POI..... of one sort or another. Ron seems to be head of the recruitment/HR department....... in this very small world of disclosure.



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Dan,

is the council not 'the best possible council?' for the project at hand?

Scott,

Yes, as long as you understand that best possible could also be the worst possible.......

It’s like the notion that the best possible God might be the least possible....... kind of like the irony of Jesus being crucified........ the folly of the cross...... being a stumbling block for the many...... the stone that was rejected.........


The Princess just noted that Doug is involved with both the December and January issues of Penn Magazine....... involving his Whistle Blower series that includes Jim Fetzer...... https://pennmagazine.us/2018/12/29/january-2019/

Obviously, I’ve got some tough competition when it comes to Doug.  


Back to the stalking scene........

The so called Council is mainly for comic relief....... relief from what.....? from anything too serious.

If your name hasn’t been put forward for the Council you might want to file a complaint....... then again, you might want to give a sigh of relief.


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@dan: What do you think would be the best possible outcome for all the things you and others are trying to achieve?

Thankz Doug i guezz

Dan, point of fact, you have proven yourself blind and lame.

I have no response to Dan though, what he can’t see, he can’t see.

I certainly am no nihilist, far from it, Nietzsche was a confused muppet, he only went half way.

Parmenidez and hiz friendz are my friendz.

They hid a gift for uz.

I dug it up or dug down to it rather.

They showed me how.

No wordz are going to open anyonez eyez.

No one can raise their voice loud enough.

No savior iz coming, time to wake up and save yourself.

No person is savior of the Galaxy, monkeyzzzzz are funny.

The true savior will only tell you to save thyself, which is an anti-savior from the muppet view.

That’z why all saviorz with a word and new way are seen to be liarz and inflated confused egoz.

The age of idolz iz burning.

We pazz through the darkest night right now.

Thiz is where the difference of the light and darkness can be best experienced.

Yuh are wholly lost or wholly found.

Light your own match or huddle with the sheep.

See, the thing about burning, the flamez never go out.

It haz to be realized in the heart using great heat!!!

A goat will alwayz point you back inside, the rest are liarz and foolz.

The imaginal world must be met and you must descend to call down the superior in you.

Anything else is a total waste of your short time.

The first one you will meet on your descent into the Underwold is the Devil.

Prepare thyself.

You won’t get around him.

Unless you have mastered the spontaneous.

You can only see where to walk in the flash of the lightening.

Yuh will know you are close when you find otherz dancing and laughing.

If yuh dance with a devil, it will tell you the truth.

RB,

The best possible outcome would just be to let the best possible world just be it’s possible little self.  

smelly wishes I would just keep my mouth shut, but that would be out of character.  

We’re like the Captain on the cruise ship.  Our job is not to steer the ship.  Our job is to sit with the old ladies at the Captain’s table.  Who steers the ship?  Nobody.  It’s on auto pilot.  

We’re on the best possible cruise from Alpha to Omega.  Our course has already been written in the stars.  

This is why democracy is so effective....... nothing ever gets done.  We don’t want to mess with success....... all the suffering?  Well, when you take your turn on the design committee, I hope you bring that up.  Clearly, it’s above my pay grade.



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Nothing is done, yet everything is done.

You can thank the unchanging.

Change is the illusion.

This is the Great Mystery, beyond explanation and understanding, so why waste time trying to rationalize it?

Go into it, dive into it, consume it!

The other side of the Great Mystery is that it never changez, but all around uz changes.

It doesn’t matter what anyone sayz, it matterz if they have been to the underworld though.

You can see, smell and hear the difference.

Go yourself.

Yuh must.

Follow the promptz and signz.

Yuh must descend.

Yuh must wrestle with evil and embrace it az yourself, but not become evil, embrace good, but not be good or you have no idea.

It won’t and can’t be ignored or it will wipe the world away.

The way is nothing like you think it iz.

So thinking iz a magnet, but also a wall.

Tear down the wall iz what I pleaded with Dan to do.

It isn’t easy to realize the real, it iz painful.

Are you better off having done so, certainly, beyond doubt.

Conspiraciez and alienz are the opposite direction.

Saviorz are the opposite direction.

Enough of that nonsense already.

Have funz.

smelly,

That soundz like hard work.  Let me appoint you to the Underworld committee..... and then you can report back to us on a regular basis.  

Oh, wait, that’s already happening........ see, it’s just like I said..... better not mess with success.......


Yes, smelly, very good......... the angels refused to take charge.....

That’s exactly where we are....... and the nature of our predicament. Can we blame the angels? Only we have the temerity to mess with success...... and mess we do.

It is the prime directive, is it not? We are being forced to become angels....... being dragged, kicking and screaming..... into heaven. And when we get there, most of us will wish we were back here. Oh, we can come back. We have been back 10^10 times. It’s hard to get enough.



(cont.......)

Are we closer to Omega than Alpha?

Course Catalog wrote:Are we closer to Omega than Alpha?

Both are here now and you are happening in between.

There are yet still places on earth where men gather and read great poetry from their heartzzzzz.

For their sakez, time abidez.

...

In a Tree House

Light
will someday split you open
even if your life is now a cage,

For a divine seed, the crown of destiny,
is hidden and sown on an ancient, fertile plain
that you hold the title to.

Love will surely bust you wide open
into an unfettered, blooming new galaxy
A life-giving radiance will come,

O look again within yourself,
For I know you were once the elegant host
To all the marvels in creation.

From a sacred crevice in your body,
a bow rises each night
and shoots your soul into God.

Behold the Beautiful One
from the vantage point of Love.

He is conducting the affairs
of the whole universe
in a tree house – on a limb
in your heart.

—Hafiz

I am drunk
With the wine of eternity
I walk in the lands
Of pre-eternity
The Angels refused the Earth
So the work has fallen to us
But there is nothing left to be done



The Logos was within God
The Logos was God
The Logos has become flesh
There is just something in us that sees
We have no choice but to bear witness
The Logos is sweeter than the best honey
The Eros hums like the bees
Providing warmth from the
Passion of the Dance

I point to where the real honey is found
90 degrees from here straight down



In the dark world
Of the mother
All was a unity
But then the Man
Appeared on Earth
The Logos was hidden in the darkness
The Darkenss could not see the Logos
The Logos was God

What did She feel about that?!

CC,

smelly is right, of course, but, from a worm’s eye view we are a tad bit closer to the Omega.

Disclosure is all around us, but believing is seeing. If you want to see Joe’s cage rattle, you can visit at the lake. They love visitors, especially if you help pay the rent. To see version two, you have to travel a bit further. To see version three, you need to head still further east. To see version four........ well, just take a look around.

If you are quite patient, you can wait to read about it in the Times.



(cont.......)

The Eagle sees all
From the perch of the Heart
Man made distinctions
And named things
Man led us out of darkness
Into the world of being

Making love calls the soul down

My soul is in it now
I am neck deep in the mud
I return to the womb
Of my Great Mother
We live as the Logos
We bring the Eros

I am the serpent that entwines around the Flame

This has all been a roll in the mud and a birds flight from and back to reality.



Dante on all of this...

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLD1450DFDA859F694

Try to keep up if you can.

This is the Dance!

...

I have had to debase myself to kill the idol of my self.

I had to come very close to nihilism to melt the God.

A serpent slithered out of the idol as it melted!

Are you kidding me, I screamed?!

I was always the serpent???!!!

I have torn my garments open.

I am betrayed.

I stuck my head and other parts into the void and they were cut clean off by the cosmic vagina.

That’s an image of Kali for you and it has teeth!

Ain’t much of me left at this point.

My dying breaths...

The Devil laughs over my bloodied carcass.

Please, take my bones and scatter them to the winds.

Let the carrion feast on my flesh.

Erase my false name from the Earth.

Thank you for my dark Death and illuminated Life.

Let my soul fly away
From the cage where I thought I would stay
Where my dead carcass now lays

...

Behold
The snake has been freed
From the clay by
Daath and the heat of the Sun
And now it entwines
Around the Egg



The egg seems to be cracking...

http://quantumunderground.com/2016/01/04/cracking-the-egg/amp/

I think it was Chilton Pearce who wrote the Crack in the Cosmic Egg, which could be a companion to the Cosmic Trigger.

I am listening to the Dante lecture....... not too shabby.

It’s hard to make an omelet without breaking a few eggs.

You don’t need to be a philosopher to realize the obvious problem with this idea: people have private, separate fields of experience. We can’t normally read your thoughts and, presumably, neither can you read ours. Moreover, we are not normally aware of what’s going on across the universe and, presumably, neither are you. So, for idealism to be tenable, one must explain—at least in principle—how one universal consciousness gives rise to multiple, private but concurrently conscious centers of cognition, each with a distinct personality and sense of identity.

And here is where dissociation comes in. We know empirically from DID that consciousness can give rise to many operationally distinct centers of concurrent experience, each with its own personality and sense of identity. Therefore, if something analogous to DID happens at a universal level, the one universal consciousness could, as a result, give rise to many alters with private inner lives like yours and ours. As such, we may all be alters—dissociated personalities—of universal consciousness.

Moreover, as we’ve seen earlier, there is something dissociative processes look like in the brain of a patient with DID. So, if some form of universal-level DID happens, the alters of universal consciousness must also have an extrinsic appearance. We posit that this appearance is life itself: metabolizing organisms are simply what universal-level dissociative processes look like.

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/could-multiple-personality-disorder-explain-life-the-universe-and-everything/

dan wrote:I think it was Chilton Pearce who wrote the Crack in the Cosmic Egg, which could be a companion to the Cosmic Trigger.

I am listening to the Dante lecture....... not too shabby.

It’s hard to make an omelet without breaking a few eggs.  

Bahahahahahahahaha

Indeed, now you are getting into the spirit of the work.

The dissolution of the yolk is inevitable, so why cry about it?!

To be part of the thought of God ain’t too shabby either.

We have no real concept of what that IS, it just IZZZZZZ and happenzzz.

I just can’t shake that serpent.

GSB/SSR wrote:You don’t need to be a philosopher to realize the obvious problem with this idea: people have private, separate fields of experience. We can’t normally read your thoughts and, presumably, neither can you read ours. Moreover, we are not normally aware of what’s going on across the universe and, presumably, neither are you. So, for idealism to be tenable, one must explain—at least in principle—how one universal consciousness gives rise to multiple, private but concurrently conscious centers of cognition, each with a distinct personality and sense of identity.

And here is where dissociation comes in. We know empirically from DID that consciousness can give rise to many operationally distinct centers of concurrent experience, each with its own personality and sense of identity. Therefore, if something analogous to DID happens at a universal level, the one universal consciousness could, as a result, give rise to many alters with private inner lives like yours and ours. As such, we may all be alters—dissociated personalities—of universal consciousness.

Moreover, as we’ve seen earlier, there is something dissociative processes look like in the brain of a patient with DID. So, if some form of universal-level DID happens, the alters of universal consciousness must also have an extrinsic appearance. We posit that this appearance is life itself: metabolizing organisms are simply what universal-level dissociative processes look like.

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/could-multiple-personality-disorder-explain-life-the-universe-and-everything/

My House has many rooms and you are welcome to all of them forever and ever.

Bzz, bzz

Smelly,

Your waggle dance of the bees shows how blind most are.
It is all about geometry of the hive.

The bees fly ( displace ) about following the geometry, but the geometry is blind as far as our normal senses are concerned , thus they state that the bees are following the sun.

The hive is of universe, and is omni present.

hobbit

https://youtu.be/XbxuLCPitfg

https://youtu.be/8RjbZeANdx0

The Hive concept is a major part of the second Sekret Machines novel by Delonge.