Immaterialism 4

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Pkisfake wrote:Dont worry Dan...cause after all ...

The Dark Sun rises.

Muhahahahahahaha

And all will be dissolved so that the child will live.

Nunia.binus wrote:For those of you looking for more substance regarding Joe's point of view, I found this buried in some of the materials on the MO website (see below).  Joe is quite verbose, but this buried paragraph seems to propose a physical correllary/description of the "we are one" concept that some of the visitors, contactees, Grant Cameron, etc. emphasize:

"In my review of pre-scientific and classical concepts of space, I observed that notions of space have progressively differentiated into two general and competing ideas: (a) space is a dimensionality in which all things exist, and (b) space is a dimensionality of which all things
are made. In the former case, space is usually viewed as an idealized, unbounded, three-dimensional void in which matter exists, moves and interacts. In the latter case, space is usually viewed as a kind of ‘metric’ or ‘field’, whose dimensions are not “flat” in the common sense
we experience, but rather ‘warped’ to cause and reflect the ways matter moves and interacts. In this latter view, it is now often speculated that matter particles themselves are knots or strings in the metric or field of space (or space-time)."

So, particles, people, etc. are not distinct "things" within the volume of space (and therefore separate entities unto themselves), but knots or warpings of one singular underlying substrate.  I guess its the ole' aether hypothesis....

"Might it be that the space medium is, in fact, a continuum of omnidirectional pressure, purely and simply ‘push’, whose only topographic variations are density gradients which we call radiation, and in more complex self-sustaining forms, matter? What simpler ontology offers broader explanative power than an infinite medium of pressure differentiating only in traveling and self-interacting patterns of density?

Might it be that we humans are like fish in a Cosmic ocean whose electrodynamic pressure – the ‘water’ we call ‘space’ – we cannot sense, because we are made of it? Might we have mistakenly characterized local variations in this pressure as ‘dimensional warps’ in our attempts to geometrize the pressure asymmetry – gravity – and the geometry of interaction with it – inertia – that keep us floating near our Cosmic shore?"

Space ( universe) is the perfectly packed super solid.

The 3D reality We consider as all there is , is just in 3D, and is a compression of consciousness that enables 3D to remember to be on the faces of the 3D perfectly packed STUFF that is the multi dimensional rray of dimensions upon alternate faces of the geometry.


If You read about the welders in WW11 who operated in sealed rooms where their tools kept vanishing, You may then begin to comprehend why those tools vanished, they displaced onto alternate faces( dimension) due to the high fields been created by multiple welders operating at both sides of very thick steel plates.


If therefore You were to create such a field ( spinny thing) You need to be careful of what may transfer about dimensions.

The welders did not disappear due to their independent fields of consciousness, they may have if the field were strong enough.

This is where time travel exists.

hobbit

Dan,
I think the E-gyros at the Air Forces research labs could be dusted off for ya... or the D.O.E.'s O.I.C.  Could give you a current update on  The two currently known methods for anti-gravitics, tons of E-gyro info,  The utilization of gravity amplifiers and the required over-unity energy sources to power them ...
Or the pencil-like sticks of certain elements that can't be made by humans yet, but are "recovered".
These could power your ESCHATON PORTALS!

Pkisfake wrote:Dan,
I think the E-gyros at the Air Forces research labs could be dusted off for ya... or the D.O.E.'s O.I.C.  Could give you a current update on  The two currently known methods for anti-gravitics, tons of E-gyro info,  The utilization of gravity amplifiers and the required over-unity energy sources to power them ...
Or the pencil-like sticks of certain elements that can't be made by humans yet, but are "recovered".
These could power your ESCHATON PORTALS!

The spinny things are useless, forget them.
It's what the spinny thing spins that counts.
Induce that to spin without any device, and then You will have lift off.

There is no such force called gravity.

centripetal and centrifugal.

We exist in a condition where the net difference is termed as gravity.

Refraction/reflection in multiple layers with resistors between, induce a local counter spin field .


Chitin.



That's what My beetle friends use.




hobbit

Nunia/ on my drive by, a good post strikes my intuition. but will read later.


smelly/ "Yuh can take the foot off the gas now old man and let Jesus take the wheel Wink"


you do find a way to my funny bone

Maybe Dan is a worker bee and Smelly a drone bee.

Both are useful tools for the Queen Bee.

Worker bees are the Carpenters constructing the hive.

Drone Bees just lounge around and make love to the Queen.

We move back and forth sometimes between different roles, but all roles are necessary.

The walrus and the carpenter both get to feast on the poor little oysters.



Smelly is a very gassy drone bee.

Watch out workers!

Drones are not exempt from work however. Making love with the Queen is a lot of work. Breeding other drones is the most fun.

Wait...worker bees are supposed to be females....sorry Dan, I guess you are really in touch with your anima.

Aaron wrote:Maybe Dan is a worker bee and Smelly a drone bee.

Both are useful tools for the Queen Bee.

Worker bees are the Carpenters constructing the hive.

Drone Bees just lounge around and make love to the Queen.

We move back and forth sometimes between different roles, but all roles are necessary.

The walrus and the carpenter both get to feast on the poor little oysters.



Smelly is a very gassy drone bee.

Watch out workers!

Drones are not exempt from work however. Making love with the Queen is a lot of work. Breeding other drones is the most fun.

Wait...worker bees are supposed to be females....sorry Dan, I guess you are really in touch with your anima.

All Queens can kiss my drone ass.



Maybe you should stop worrying so much about who others are muppet and try forgetting who you think you are.

The morons abound.

Who says I'm worried about who others are?

Are you worried about who I am?

Bwahahaha!

Moron muppet!

I fart on your farting.

Too late, you lost.

Eat dirt, muppet, it’s what you were made to do

You can go peddle that Hive tyrany crap to some other moron muppets.

Relax goat boy.

The hive is mythology.

The Greeks are not the only ones to use myth as an abstration of self.

Duh

I never lose because there is no conflict.

Stupid lock picking goats are so annoying.

That dumb goat is right.

I hate it and love it when he is right.

Muppets talk to others, goats talk to themselves.

I was talking to others...damnit!

Root node back online.

Straight on.

A fool who persists in his folly may yet become wise....or some stupid quote like that...

Don't know.

Muppets analyze what is and thus they do not see what is.

Zen and Tao is the cure to this disease.

The President is scheduled to call the Discloser this evening to discuss the upcoming Presidential Debate. Please support the President and the Discloser in this process.

All simply can go with the flow and have fun, anything else is a misunderstanding of the nature of living and can be safely ignored.

Now is a good time to reflect how things are happening here now.

So few can be here now, trapped in the past or in fear of the future.

The Tao is a watercourse way.

It cannot be controlled intellectually, as Richard reminds me.

The Tao that can be Tao-ed is not the Tao.

Can we let things happen?

This is the heart of it.

We can let our writing happen.

We can let our thoughts and words happen.

We can let our hearts happen as they like.

You will find limitless energy letting things happen.

The Tao takes you back into the body and into the breath, that flows.

The free flowing cursive grass style illustrates the watercourse way of Tao.



The Tao is fun and surprising and hidden by the illusion of change.

We are not facing apocalyptic times, instead we are facing times of great change.

Studying the mind and myth can help a lot here.

Don’t waste time predicting what will happen, laugh at those who do.

You are not going insane: the times are simply crazy on their own now.

How do you face times of great change?

Just relax.

Now, relaxed, experience the Tao as a flowing surprise.

Ride the wind, laugh joyously.

Goo goo

ga ga

ha ha ha

Control is a trap.

Control begets and needs more control.

Living a watercourse way in our postmodern technological society is possible and not irresponsible. The earth breathes water in and out. It doesn’t just flow downstream.  When it breathes out, water flows.

Nothing is controlling this cycle directly, yet all happens as it should.

Tse jen.

Who can straighten out water?

Water was Lao’s favorite metaphor for Tao, as it is the essence of life.

Water nourishes all without striving.

It always fills the lowest first.

The most gentle thing in the world can overcome the hardest.

You can see clearest in the most still water.

Lucidity from stillness.

The mind of the sage in repose becomes the mirror of the Cosmos.

Fluidity of water is a part of the essence of water.

Virtue rises in a Human naturally, even without cultivation.

We do not intellectually create these properties, they just are.

We accommodate ourselves to the flow of Tao.

Tell me now what prophecy and plans of men amount to, farts of fancy.

You can naturally flow with and are formed of Tao, no effort is required to be what we are.

We cannot realize easily what is happening because what we ponder is ourselves and we are...

“Like a sword that cuts but cannot cut itself;
Like an eye that sees but cannot see itself.”

In observing the sky it runs away from us.

We try to decipher the brain with the brain.

Perhaps the frontal cortex is the new part that can observe the natural left and right brains

“The greatest hindrance to objective knowledge is our own subjective presence.”

So what else can we do but trust Tao and go with the flow?!

“It may be attained, but not seen.”

Beware of those in power unless they have shown their high virtue and quality.

Laugh at the morons and men and women with plans, maybe not always out loud, but sometimes out loud and in their faces, nose to nose.

All who attain to power are pretenders and fools, watch them fall.

SMACK!!!

Hot damn...

One hell of a post Shmellzy!

Can you smell that Dan?

That is the smell of Zero our hero.

That post may be the closest to zero I have ever inhaled.

That can only really be followed by deep profound silence really.

If you can't catch up to the Way after that you may never catch up.



Bwahahaha.

Now shhhhhh

Listen to the wind and float away

Whee!

The Tao is the ground but it does not rule.

All things have their own principles inherent.

The Tao connects all these principles.

The patterns are entangled and cannot exist without each other.

Things have natural things to balance them.

Man has usurped the natural laws and threatens the natural order.

Some would say that’s a fine destiny, but any that would seek to assert control over others and nature, threatens themselves and all else.

“Those who would take over the world and manage it,
I see that they cannot grasp it;
For the world is a spiritual vessel
And cannot be forced.
Whoever forces it spoils it.
Whoever grasp it loses it.”

—Lao Tzu

All manages itself.

At the edge, or center, the line between what is happening to you and what you are doing is erased.

What goes on simply happens of itself, tzu-jan, with no push or pull.

Things mutually arise but have their own organizing principles.

Reality exists around and in form.

As the universe creates our consciousness, our consciousness evokes the universe.

This ends the debate between materialists and idealists, determinists and free-willers, who are the yin and yang of philosophy.

Some would say this violates cause and effect.

There are many ways to describe the same event.

The events are all happening and we try to order them with causality.

The only single event is the universe itself, not causality.

Now now now

It seems this view is a naturalistic pantheism, the Tao seems like an unconscious formative energy, not personal.

The ancients at first did not know there were things. Next they realized there are things but did not make any distinction between hem. Then they made distinctions. And when they passed judgements on the things, the Tao was destroyed.

The universe came to be with all formed together, in us, all things are one.

Tao is not unconscious or personal.

We intuit that there is something inexpressible between us. We cannot be conscious of it as a thing, but we can be aware of it, which means it’s not just unconscious.

We can only know it through the unfolding of things and looking into a silent mind.

A baby does not focus on anything for long. They go without knowing where they go, Wei Wu Wei. They go with he flow of their bodies and environment completely and it is you who has  to go with their flow.

We don’t force on the way.

The enemy is defeated with the force of their own attack.

At the highest levels, a person can be thrown to the ground without ever being touched.

Wu Wei is how an elevated human intelligence works.

It is the intelligence of the whole, which extends out to the universe itself, focused to a point in you.

On the way we always take the path of least resistance.

We do not avoid effort.

We simply do the easiest thing.

We simply apply effort at the right moment.

Knowing the right moment takes whole awarnesss of unconscious and conscious intelligence.

When one is off balance or over extended, we have them.

We focus this wholenss as chi or prana.

Wholeness manifests great chi, great force.

Chi flows easily with relaxed state and can instantly be focused where needed.

You can fly, crush stones, stop and start hearts, resist any heat or cold and many other things that just happen as a natural state of being a relaxed aware human being.

As water follows gravity, it rises if trapped, looking for outlets.

For a follower of the way, gravity can be used like the wind.

Marcus Aurelius is a great western example of a man with himself.

He mastered himself and all was accomplished.

This is the way a human being moves in the world naturally.

My thoughts flow like water into the crevices of your brain.

The Tao is a watercourse way.

What fool would will to power, great power is worry, total power is boredom.

We are the living myth of the king who snuck out of his castle and wanders among his people in disguise.

The Trickster embodies the folly of power with the ability to tempt any to teach them to let it go.

The king pretends to be all things in his kingdom.

It’s kind of a joke how I overstate my case.

The simple life, is the good life.

Wu Wei goat walks mountain.

Your posts are ok, smelly.  There is just one thing you forgot about.... the truth.  

This is also something that all those people who are playing footsie with Joe Firmage have forgotten about, and I’m afraid that this includes you, Doug.  

Yes, sports fans, I’ve been kicked off the Joe team.

Some folks...... maybe a lot of folks miscalculated.

All that these many folks are able to understand is team playing.  

And, guess what, sports fans, I’m not a team player.

No..... I’m a truth player, even if the Truth team consists of only one player, at some points in history.  

Sometimes, sports fans, love has to morph into truth.

I suspect that this may be one of those unusual times.  

I’m betting the farm on that possibility, which may not be quite as unlikely as it seems.  I guess I’m just a gambling man..... and, yes, I am willing to gamble for love.  Who wouldn’t?

And exactly what is the truth team?  

Hmmm......... It looks like I might have to start figuring that out.  
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Yes, sports fans, there may be times that try our souls.  If D-day is not such a time, I don’t know what would be.  

Love has a lot to do with trust, and trust has a lot to do with truth.

Go figure.........

Yes, sports fans, welcome to the Truth squad.  Right now, at this point in history, it appears to be a squad of one.  

But I know that appearances can be deceiving.  I know that, deep down, there are 7.8 billion of us on the Truth squad, and all we have to do is to start scratching the surface........ and, maybe, in that process, we’ll be able to  scratch/scrounge up a portal or two.  

Ok........?  Can we win this one for the Gipper?  


Oh, and by the way, it seems that donny also bet the farm, and right about now he appears to have the losing hand.

But there is a rumor floating around that he might have an ace up his sleeve........ Hmmm........

And let’s just say that I’m putting my chicken little foot down on the Joe Firmage operation.  Tell me that this wasn’t a no brainer.  

I guess I’ll just have to take my football, and go home and cry....... or, then again, maybe not.  

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dan wrote:

Love has a lot to do with trust, and trust has a lot to do with truth.

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Dan,

Love this

Please go on..

I believe you certainly have at least one other on your team, if I recall the quotation of one Henry David Thoreau correctly.

dan/ Im not playing footsie with Joe because Im not playing anything at all with Joe

The Truth,

That would be very refreshing , I for one am fed up of hearing nothing but rubbish.

I thought this forum was the open minds community????

I have witnessed very little of that whilst here.

Hobbit

Scott,

How can I go on, if I am crying?  

I’m trying not to cry.  The Princess has said she will hold my hand, if I go easy on Joe.

Yes, Joe may be a fool, but if he’s my fool........ well ok, I’ll try to be brave about it.  


Doug,

Discernment is nine tenths of truth.........

Will they get that on Broadway?  


Hobbit,

Despite the appearances of smelly&Co, OMF/BPW is not supposed to be a logic free zone, and some fine day, when I work up enough courage to confront smelly, he will feel the lash of the Logos.  

Hobbit, you may be using smelly’s shadow to avoid the radar of the Logos.  Like smelly, you are very free with your unsupported assertions.  

It is easy to jump over a low bar.  But, due to circumstances beyond my control, the bar may have to be raised.

And, Hobbit, it is hard not to notice that smelly is cruising for a bruising.  



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The truth is obvious muppet Dan.

And I and my words are awesome.

Goo goo

Ga ga

Ha ha ha

" To do anything by which one has merely earned money, is to have been truly idle or worse"
-Thoreau

(...i skinny dipped at Walden pond 1999 with a buxom 1/2 Japanese woman, who schooled me...performing feats unequaled since...yet truly personifying TRANSCENDENTALISM...ahhh i miss those days at Emerson College...exploring REALITY's EDGE)

Dan... is transcendentalism SWH/ PBWH enough?

Quote Thoreau forever, he stands with the goat.

Thoreau gravitated toward Stoic philosophy, Hindu and Buddhist insights, and European idealism and romanticism; he was an eclectic thinker weaving together various philosophies to formulate his own unique strain of American thought.

He was Zen.

Because he saw the truth in simple living.

How many mystics can you try to misunderstand Dan?

The truth is staring you in the face laughing

It's so obvious that you will laugh out loud when you see it.

Bwahahahaha!