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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon Nov 19, 2018 4:44 pm

    First topic message reminder :

    “Nature’s first green is gold,
    Her hardest hue to hold.
    Her early leaf’s a flower;
    But only so an hour.
    Then leaf subsides to leaf.
    So Eden sank to grief,
    So dawn goes down to day.
    Nothing gold can stay.”

    —Robert Frost - “Nothing Gold Can Stay”


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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon Apr 12, 2021 7:18 pm

    Genuine doubt is the best I think anyone can manage.

    And the safest place to live leading to the best set of outcomes in my short experience and time upon the Earth.

    I can only speak of what I lived and I do freely.

    The only way to become a better writer is to write.

    A writer writes, you can't stop it.

    No one becomes a writer.

    You are one or you aren't.

    Genuine doubt, genuine joy, both sides of the same coin.

    We want a name to blame or embrace.

    But there is no name that has an answer to why we exist.

    No word.

    No face.

    Just this connected web of sensory data.

    You think you got answers from this soup of senses?!

    Bahahahahahaha

    All for the show.

    Just a little faith in another day is all I got.

    What do I care of the rest?

    Just one more day.

    Straight on.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon Apr 12, 2021 7:25 pm

    A matter of the heart.



    “Awaken sleepers, bestir yourselves.”
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Apr 14, 2021 9:29 pm



    We want to connect to beauty, posses it, and consume it in this form.

    The older consuming the beauty of the young.

    In this world beauty is fleeting.

    But some of us know, it is always beautiful.

    It isn’t out there.

    And you don’t have to settle for a glimpse.

    You don’t only have to dream about it either.

    We are mysterious.

    We are beauty.

    It is impossible to hold it inside.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Apr 15, 2021 8:27 pm

    Man is an evil creature and needs dominion.

    Yah, I guess.

    We have a crisis of identity.

    Liberalism has destroyed the politics of the groups.

    You have to give up your identity and take one multicultural one.

    Taking away people’s identity leads to instability.

    God is dead.

    So Trump will do.

    I suppose liberalism is a failed system.

    People want to be dominated.

    By a leader, by a god, by a devil.

    Liberal societies are weaker.

    We are not equal, our system tries to provide equal opportunity, yah, if you are rich.

    Different faces, same bullshit.

    If you don’t stand for something, you will be dominated by a stronger identity.

    When emergencies occur, the sovereign hiding behind the illusion, comes out.

    A stronger executive is just this hidden power more exposed.

    Enjoy the show.

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sat Apr 17, 2021 1:05 am

    We see what there is to see...

    The rest has to be loved

    I’m

    Clouds ☁

    If I have ever said I was wise I surely never knew.

    I don’t recall being so stupid, but I do a lot of stupid things.

    Have you ever written in color?

    Or smelled blue?

    Have you tasted red?

    Orange 🍊 is divine.



    We sing with broken voices

    Together we fill in the gaps

    Overlapping we make music

    Where the points meet...

    We are

    I masqueraded as a man with a reason

    My charade was the event of the season

    I hear the voices say

    Carry on

    Good donkey

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sat Apr 17, 2021 1:09 am

    Come back to dreamland

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sat Apr 17, 2021 1:16 am

    The music plays as the ashes fall

    When we find the love that never fails

    It drowns us and takes us away

    We are dead in its embrace

    And alive when we can catch a breath

    We sail together among the stars ✨ forever

    Sitting in the theatre 🎭 of love

    While 2001 plays on

    This embrace

    This embrace

    This embrace

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sat Apr 17, 2021 1:30 am

    Slowly driftin



    Fast water

    What did I ever have to say

    It feels like I’m drownin

    Pullin against the stream

    God won’t leave me alone

    I told her to fuck off

    She won’t stop talkin

    I beat her down

    I pushed her away

    I shut the door 🚪 how many times

    How many chances will love give me

    She whispers she would give it all to know me

    To know me just once

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sat Apr 17, 2021 1:53 am

    We battle at the garden’s gate...
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sat Apr 17, 2021 3:19 pm



    I am looking.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Apr 18, 2021 12:46 pm

    “In magic, there have always been two schools, the one invoking the forces of good, the other evoking the forces of evil, or white and black magic. Now, Abra-Melin teaches that the good, or angelic, forces are superior in power to the bad, or satanic forces; and that the latter, as a punishment, have to serve the former. All material effects, all phenomena are the result of the actions of evil spirits working under the directions of good ones. And sometimes the other way round, for bad spirits occasionally manage to escape and, revengefully, do what harm they can. These satanic forces conclude pacts with men and hold them in their power as Mephistopheles held Dr Faustus; for man is the middle nature between angels and demons, and has attendant upon him a Holy Guardian Angel and a Malevolent Demon. The practising magician has therefore to lead a strictly pure life. By prayer and contemplation in a suitable place (an oratory) he can call forth his Holy Guardian Angel, who will instruct him in the right use of the Powers of Darkness. On the other hand, if he fails to steer clear of temptation he will speedily become a prey to the Malevolent Demon and his career will be a series of misfortunes, ending at his death with rapid descent to hell.”

    The ritual provides a framework.

    Darkness and chaos surely have a place inside us and also kindness.

    To awaken and know thyself, must involve facing and asserting your control of your darkness.

    You must call it forth and engage it.

    It has many places to hide and obfuscate.

    Like a fuzzy face you can never see.

    It would delight in your self destruction.

    It must be bridled and then becomes a dark steed with red eyes and flaming hooves.

    Only one upon their steed can move between worlds.

    Cross the line and they will rip you to shreds.

    Knowing your light is knowing your darkness.

    Fools will ignore my comments.

    The darkness is not to be disturbed too much in this exercise.

    The Golden can only be approached through self cleansing.

    The darkness can be drawn close through negative emotions.

    We have black hearts as well as golden ones.

    We are creatures of the earth, in between all things.

    You have to sneak up on it.

    If you fuck it up, it will be tough to recover, so one prepares and trains.

    It is prob best to stay in the muppet world for most.

    But for those of us who can feel the darkness and love within all things, the world is a wonder and we find we have allies and enemies.

    So there is much talk between fools about the happy light, but how many have mounted their steed?

    They lack the power of their will.

    How many know their darkness and their gold?

    There are many systems and abstractions of the psyche.

    One would do well to tread cautiously and prepare thyself for battle.

    Cleanse yourself and make straight the way.

    Know thy darkness and love it as thyself.

    For in that darkness is the key to the light.

    The key to being.

    You walk on holy ground.

    What happens here is sacred and one should take care and be aware of the the forces that surround and connect us.

    Science has not ventured here really.

    It has the smallest view of this vast web of being.

    They have knowledge of the parts, but not how they really work together.

    They see what it lets them see.

    I am not a warrior of good or evil, we are this, the 3D aspect of the network.

    What calls forth our quality?

    Awareness demands it!

    Who you are when no one is looking.

    They see you.

    They see all of it.

    You can’t hide.

    The 👀 the 👀

    Should you fight?

    I think there is better way and I’m showing myself.

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Apr 18, 2021 2:37 pm

    You have only now begun your journey into the sweet unknown...

    Each man is a memory to himself.

    "Let the disciple seize hold of the tail of the serpent of wisdom, and having with firmness grasped it, let him follow it into the deepest centre of the Hall of Wisdom.  Let him not be betrayed into the trap set for him by the serpent of illusion, but let him shut his eyes to the colourful tracery upon its back, and his ears to the melody of its voice.  Let him discern the jewel, set in the forehead of the serpent whose tail he holds, and by its radiance traverse the miry halls of maya."

    "No glamour, no illusion can long hold the man who has set himself the task of treading the razor-edged Path which leads through the wilderness, through the thick-set forest, through the deep waters of sorrow and distress, through the valley of sacrifice and over the mountains of vision to the gate of Deliverance.  

    He may travel sometimes in the dark (and the illusion of darkness is very real); he may travel sometimes in a light so dazzling and bewildering that he can scarcely see the way ahead; he may know what it is to falter on the Path, and to drop under the fatigue of service and of strife; he may be temporarily sidetracked and wander down the by-paths of ambition, of self-interest and of material enchantment, but the lapse will be but brief.  

    Nothing in heaven or hell, on earth or elsewhere can prevent the progress of the man who has awakened to the illusion, who has glimpsed the reality beyond the glamour of the astral plane, and who has heard, even if only once, the clarion call of his own soul.

    In some one life, there comes an emotional crisis in which decisive action is taken, and the disciple proves his control of his emotional nature.  This may take the form of some great and vital test, covering a brief time but calling forth every resource of wisdom and of purity that the disciple possesses, or it may be a long and protracted emotional strain, carried over many years of living.  But in the attaining of success and in the achievement of clear vision and right discernment (through right discrimination) the disciple testifies to his fitness for the second initiation.

    I would like to point out that it is this test and crisis through which humanity is now passing, and which began in those conditions which culminated in the world war and the present world strain.  The first initiation of humanity, as an entity, took place when individualization became possible, and the soul was born in the body of humanity.  

    This was preceded by a period of fearful stress and strain, dimly sensed by the pioneers into the human kingdom from the ranks of the animal-men.  Should this crisis be successfully passed, the second initiation of humanity will be the result—the passing through the baptism and the entering of the stream.  

    So the world war and its resulting effects constitute the Kurukshetra of the world Arjuna, and the outcome is still in the balance.  Let this not be forgotten.  

    There is however no cause for pessimism.  The outcome of good is inevitable.  It is however a question of a slow or a rapid realization and liberation from the great world illusion, and to this end every aspirant is begged to work strenuously and to lend his aid.  Every man who liberates himself, who sees clearly, and who releases himself from the glamour of illusion aids in the Great Work."

    And so my journey ends where it began here on OMF, with Arjuna.

    I have firmly grasped the serpent's tail.

    I had a great task to complete and I completed it and it took me inside out and through every pain and joy in my life.

    What I now have is clear vision and mind, hard fought and died for.

    It is not Christ who died for my sin.

    It is myself who died for myself, so that this could be.

    Faith in one's life is required for the next step and there is no counterfeit.

    This is real.

    Find your own way, don't let others define you, follow no movement.

    Life gives you the chance to die consciously and break the chain of unconscious death.

    It is not fascination or curiosity that can lead you, it is you taking responsibility for your actions and your life and all of the rest by being a part of it as you are, not as another would want you to be.

    There are only silver linings really.

    “and i knew that i could trust you to give me a ride
    like the ocean trusts the moon to give it a tide.”

    — HERMAN DÜNE

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon Apr 19, 2021 7:56 pm

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    Post by hobbit Tue Apr 20, 2021 6:01 am

    Smelly El Chivo wrote:



    Your serpent above.

    To describe something that is not visible requires a similar something that helps in describing the non visible.
    The serpent has a serpentine method of movement with a geometric lattice of scales.

    Consciousness travels upon a geometric lattice that creates adjoining inward and outward spiral locations that provides the pathway of least resistance for consciousness to implode and outrush in/out of the planet.

    The lattice is IMHO super high frequency carrier lines of universe, and consciousness piggy backs along that carrier system and compresses into 3D to enable creation.

    the net difference in implosion over outrush is that which is taken up in creation, and is what the serpent eating it's own tail demonstrates.

    the net ratio of implosion over outrush is what determines so called gravity and also time due to the spiral route about the sun created by the implosion over outrush.

    If as I can You can attune to any specific flow of consciousness and follow such it is akin to following a serpent that is not visible, I have done this in frost covered fields and look back at the serpentine route i have taken.

    At the locations of where this implosion and outrush occurs in high numbers of crossing lattice lines ( 55 about 180 degrees) is where I have experienced Myself in higher dimensions and where the 3D world and Myself were not as though there, what is there is hard to describe except as pure love and colours and sounds beyond description.

    Timing is important to stand upon such locations, as time as such as time is, is determined by the net ratio involved.

    To meet the planets memory it is best at night and in relationship to where the moon is, our ancestors knew how to better achieve this with massive stones above them in covered chambers.

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Apr 20, 2021 11:00 am

    It seems I am beginning my journey into the Halls of Amenti.

    The dweller of the temple/threshold has made the way.

    I will also be preparing over the next year for a meeting with my Daimon.

    I will be incubating in the dark and going deep.

    I will sing a dark song.

    I won’t be posting anymore, but it was a pleasure to dance with you.

    Wish me well on my descent, but I suspect it’s gonna be something or rather nothing 🐐
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    Post by hobbit Tue Apr 20, 2021 11:29 am

    https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/huntley/esp_huntley_5.htm

    It's complicated, but simple.

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    Post by U Tue Apr 20, 2021 4:51 pm

    Peace Smelly, enjoy your Silver!



    And your pearl!

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    Piggie Pearls!

    Dive down to the depths.

    Down

    Down

    Down

    Aaaaand


    Back up again!



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Apr 25, 2021 9:48 pm

    So, you who I have tormented so much will enjoy this.

    The smelly 🐐 met his match oh yes 🐲

    And it brought me to my knees

    Not any of you muppets, oh no

    The Supreme Mind

    Brought me to the brink of oblivion

    All from one drop of ambrosia

    Darkness goes before it

    Protects us from its radiance and effluence

    Silence and darkness

    And into that

    Word shines

    But not like we know

    This is in space all around us

    Looking in...
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Apr 25, 2021 10:03 pm

    A High Tower

    It stands alone in the darkness

    Forever

    Unbreakable

    Invisible

    All revolves around it

    Light up the darkness

    It was left for us

    We are the proof

    Our very minds

    Indestructible

    Matter dims us

    Perverts us

    But there is a calm in the darkness

    Sex, money and power has pulled us under the water.


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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon Apr 26, 2021 4:06 am

    I have tangled with Poimandres.

    Your own personal connection to the Noetic world.

    https://shwep.net/podcast/wouter-hanegraaff-on-the-poimandres/

    Christian bias is just confused on apocalypse.

    Reconnection to Nous takes work.

    It is real.

    It must be cultivated, literally and hermetically.

    The fungi connection is key to this.

    If you have been, you know what I mean.

    Western Esotericism: A Guide for the Perplexed (Guides for the Perplexed) https://www.amazon.com/dp/1441136460/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_T8W2GPVA582YFK76F9RK?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1

    Let me just say, the cries of the light here are heard.

    There is a way across the abyss.

    Make for it.

    Now!

    On my face before nature and nous.

    It all makes sense now somehow.

    Just this last...click and voila.

    The gate opens or falls to dust more like and all that was held back by the darkness comes flooding back in.

    To know it and taste it, really something.

    Mind altering?

    Like you could never imagine before it happens.

    After?

    Get to work.

    There ain’t no bigger party, this is it.

    The stoics are trapped in a way, just on the verge.

    It takes a mad fool to make a crossing.

    UAPs and Disclosure?

    Are you kidding me?!

    Kids stuff for muppets.

    If you don’t embody and live philosophy it won’t work.

    Pierre Hadot can help here.

    You will need to meditate through action and train and study.

    I did it for 6 years non-stop.

    Good luck, big factor luck, crossing the abyss of duality ain’t for wimps or muppets or delusional biased fools lost in sex, power and money.

    It is for human beings, Anthropos.

    This is what they have always held from you.

    Sorry, this is what you have always held from yourself.

    When you make a decent effort and finally jump, the way appears.

    Follow it.

    Crazy?

    Looney?

    By muppet standards, certifiable.

    Smelly out and far in.
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    Apophatic knowing.

    Nous as pure light, with darkness coming from light. Nous as God presenting himself to man. Male and female. Nous as perception beyond logos, defined here as sight/sound. Staring into the eyes of God, no difference between observer and observed. Mankind as product of Nous falling mutually in love with nature.

    Secret altered states of consciousness have been a component of meditative spiritual practices. Dangerous and hidden. When the time is right, these things have a way of resurfacing in our consciousness.

    Incubation and altered states, used to pierce the darkness.

    To rip the veil open.

    Ancient depth psychology.
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    Post by hobbit Tue Apr 27, 2021 1:44 am

    http://pathtolight.net/the-seven-laws-of-hermes-trismegistus/

    You as is everything I detect is composed upon a pole with opposite spin hemispheres rotating about that pole and the two flows of the rotating hemispheres spiral up and down that pole PINCHING together.
    Your heart is the central pinch point.

    Watch the hands, the duality of flows travel in/out of the hands .

    ALL is one ocean of consciousness.

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