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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri Oct 12, 2018 8:08 pm



    The mystical and conservative are clashing.

    I will help Wink

    We can all help.

    They don’t get it.

    They need height and perspective.

    Our shadow is going to surge over the earth.

    There is no stopping or containing it.

    We have a great potential for havoc.

    I went and saw First Man today.

    Neil stuck it.

    Neil nailed it.

    Aspire to be like that.

    It will take ones of iron will, Golden will like Neil to push this rock.

    We have no idea what we can really do whole.

    If your aren’t in control of yourself now, you are under the control of the unconscious.

    My face has hardened from wide eyed wonder, to steely eyed focus.

    Time to get to work.

    Hope this is the right way Wink

    Gonna have to be.

    Rage under bit and whip can do some amazing things.

    I have a few thousand pages of words to prove it.

    I will not live in a dream.

    I demand the real.

    I will not settle for cheap novelty or empty pleasure or blissed out nirvana.

    We are warriors and I shall go to war for Heaven.

    Not your Heaven, for Paradise.

    If we don’t bring it into focus, no one will and our chance will blow away.  

    I defy stupidity and ignorance and empty pleasure.

    “All the emotions need schooling, to tame and discipline by training the part of oneself that is irrational and defiant.”

    —Plutarch

    Our outrage at evil in the world cannot overstep. We live in a topsy turvey universe. We have to consider evil has its place in us.

    I cannot cringe from corruption. We can’t change anything unless we accept it as it is first. I am a fellow sufferer. You can only do this after you have accepted yourself as you are. The acceptance of oneself is the acid test. The fiend is within me. I need my own kindness. I am the enemy who must be loved. This is how we turn Christianity around upon itself.

    This is how we turn it all around.

    We have to solve complex problems socially and need higharchies, but this needs hedges against tyranny and corruption. I can evolve my thinking here.

    The rich are not superior at all and are limiting the spread of the cure.

    I aspire for space and enough calm to let people self actualize. Then they won’t be corruptible anymore.

    The left reminds the right that the higharchy has a cost in human lives. Higharchies can be productive, but they tilt toward tyranny and can be taken over by corrupt people. The left says they must be free of corruption. Can't say no higharchies. We need values and something to aim at. It can't be anarchy and aimless. We have to agree to live with the tension between pathological tyranny and the care for the people.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri Oct 12, 2018 10:21 pm

    Paradise or the City of God awaits at the top of the hill, if we pick up our cross and take responsibility and put our shoulders into it.

    The govt will keep status quo, don’t look there, there is a Labyrinth and confusions and fear.

    Look to yourself.

    In the City of God is where everyone bears maximal responsibility and speaks the truth.

    I am responsible for the suffering in the world.

    I am responsible for the evil in the world.

    I am responsible for my words in the world.

    I am maximally responsible.

    I speak the Truth.
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    Post by dan Sat Oct 13, 2018 3:58 am

    Not too shabby, smelly.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sat Oct 13, 2018 9:59 am

    Haha, just a little rant, dancing and splashing in the puddles, having some fun with the flow.

    You can see and feel how things move.

    It’s so easy to get stuck in an eddy of mind.

    Why did you guys cancel your call?

    There is a movement the muppets can’t notice yet from the dark intelligence web forming up around Jordan.

    It’s going to be be a Tsunami I tell you.

    It’s a bridge of light.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sat Oct 13, 2018 10:46 am

    cwallatruth wrote:“Act as if you are fundamental.”

    Smelly,
    Is this the same as not giving a fuck?


    NO!

    You can run but you can’t hide from wholeness, I can’t just live in the light.

    The Dude realized he gives a fuck, he just seems like he doesn’t, because he doesn’t need to try to give a fuck.

    Deep down he knows he is here to learn to give a fuck.

    Giving a fuck is in his nature.

    Giving a fuck passively is who the Dude is.

    Love has gone and found me out.

    He cant just show up and float, sipping his margarita through Hell.

    The Dude has to grow up and do some work now. He found a way to beat evil in himself.

    Act as if you own the place and all of this was for you.

    The dude mixes his essence into the world and it is better for it.

    This world and it’s quality is your responsibility, it needs just the right amount of heat and seasoning and nutrition.

    Cosmic forces take care of the big and little stuff we can’t perceive so we can be here now.

    The part we can perceive, we need to take care of.

    Don’t give up even though you know you will be destroyed and the task seems impossible, we seem to be heading towards a waterfall.

    The Way comes up to meet every step, which is the way of the Way.

    Life is a game and it’s ours to play.

    Shall we live in a Paradise or Hell state of mind?

    The Dude can’t enjoy Paradise with a world full of muppets crying in Hell, the noise and smell is terrible!

    There is this big rock to roll up the hill and then we can all enjoy this.

    So after dancing with Pan and sitting with Black Elk and OSHO and RAW and Nietzsche, there is really only one thing to do, the hard work, the work we was born for.

    We were not just made for pleasure, but pain as well, semi-autonomous minds need a challenge.

    What can we do, little ole you?!

    We can stick it at the right moment like Neil Armstrong.

    Why did we come to meet here, maybe to encourage each other that it matters and we value life and the unfolding event of us and to realize it costs us our fear to stand in Love together, even with the UTs, Big Mind is a very Big Tent.

    We are Stars rolling around in mud.

    Tyranny, corruption and raping the Earth and each other will not stand, no, the Dude will not abide this in his Garden.

    Give a fuck.
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    Post by U Sat Oct 13, 2018 11:03 am

    Part of facing my own fears was joining OMF.
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    Post by cwallatruth Sat Oct 13, 2018 11:12 am

    The Keeper Of The Laws wrote:Part of facing my own fears was joining OMF.

    Smile
    Me too!

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    Act as if you own the place and all of this was for you.
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    smelly,
    Does “act” imply “pretend”? Do I have to find it’s truth first? Or Do I fake it until I make it?

    Your flows are great btw. Thank you. Also, are you TJ TV? I think Dan posted a video of him and I wondered if that was you.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sat Oct 13, 2018 12:19 pm

    Fake it til you make it.

    You practice virtue and giving a fuck and then the pattern will take hold if you are sincere.

    You actually will somehow learn to give a fuck.

    Magick.

    Dan I am devouring Nietzsche. Foucault now interests me and Chomsky pisses me off, but Chomsky agrees to give people space to let their nature express. Expose the hidden oppression is where I’m heading.

    This intersects with the UFO community.

    I really don’t think the establishment, which is doomed to fail, know what this is. Perhaps they are scared.

    I realize our society is a prison warden in the end, or maybe you would say, a chrysalis.

    We are pretending at wholeness and chaos, experimenting with it.

    I find myself in a terrible oppressive society lying about its convenience while it devalues all life, like a disease it destroys an consumes, a black mass, but that creates fertilizer for the flowers.

    You have mine wisdom like gold.

    Look everywhere.

    As much as you accused me of no appreciation of history, I had taken the best of history inside.

    It just took time for it to eat it’s way out.

    History is a 1000 streams flowing into modern humanity, screaming to be understood.

    Nietzsche Is the prophet of revolution.

    He is preaching a destruction of traditional values and the Greeks mind.

    But we should try to understand and integrate.

    Was the Enlightenment good or bad, I have to say, it was the best thing to happen.

    Materialism and egalitarianism and the spread of democracy was seen as decadence by Nietzsche.

    He has a good point about the need for creativity and self expression.

    I think Joseph Campbell of all and Jung next speak to me most. They seem to have hit on the best recipe for a Human Being.

    They had joy and humility and great depth and breadth, true elders of Humanity and of course Black Elk and OSHO with his existential madness Wink

    I took all that inside, as have others, what a mix!

    1000 streams pouring into us, wow.

    It takes a little bit of naughty and little bit of nice to make a whole Human Being.

    The pendulum swings, watch put it doesn’t take off your head, or maybe out your head on the block.

    You can put your head back on once the green knight has cut it off.

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sat Oct 13, 2018 12:39 pm

    Simply, traditional philosophy and morals are lies Nietzsche preaches.

    Life is chaos fundamentally, ahhhhh, but it is also peace at the same time vacillating back and forth.

    The peace and chaos is mixed inside of us, so they can both be experienced.

    Nietzsche And Zen are interesting together, not in conflict.

    Zen Warriors is what I got out of mixing them.

    That’s an interesting concept.

    Agents and guardians of the shift?

    Any order was created by Humans, and thus ages and decays. If decay goes untreated then it will spread throughout the body politic.

    To him, Christianity is for losers.

    We must become temporary atheists first.

    We become dumbed down and decadent, as we are now.

    So we must destroy that old order and traditions he says.

    Hell yeah!

    So God must die, the one we created anyway, but who can kill Abraxas, I think no material thing.

    Fun stuff.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sat Oct 13, 2018 9:09 pm

    Dan needs people to call in to his horribly disorganized everlasting disclosure phone call.

    Shout out if you would like to join, kinda weird and wacky fun.

    Let him know here if you want to join.

    I did 8 hours on the phone with dan and his weird friends today, my head hurts.

    Hey, I listened a lot, that’s a change.

    I like moderating.

    I hit a bunch of walls asking certain things, I think as I have nothing technical to offer, I have nothing to worry about really.

    I’m not a threat.

    My wife got hella mad.

    It was fun.

    The best part was hearing Dan’s wife yell at him for being crazy.

    She must think I encourage him.

    I couldn’t stop laughing.
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    Post by dan Sat Oct 13, 2018 10:17 pm

    Thanks, Eric.

    They can call in to 443799 seven two oh one.
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    Post by student Sun Oct 14, 2018 12:01 am

    Hello,

    I have been following this forum for a while but only now does it feel time to enter the discussion. I recently read how Socrates conveyed his ideas to his disciples with dialogue. So, I will try to contribute to the discussion.

    I recently read Jung's Flying Saucers book. This quote was memorable for me:

    “The only certain thing is our profound ignorance, which cannot even know whether we have come nearer to the solution of the great riddle or not.” – Carl Jung

    My ignorance is what first drew me here, and is what continues to keep me lurking here.
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    Post by hobbit Sun Oct 14, 2018 1:02 am

    student wrote:Hello,

    I have been following this forum for a while but only now does it feel time to enter the discussion. I recently read how Socrates conveyed his ideas to his disciples with dialogue. So, I will try to contribute to the discussion.

    I recently read Jung's Flying Saucers book. This quote was memorable for me:

    “The only certain thing is our profound ignorance, which cannot even know whether we have come nearer to the solution of the great riddle or not.” – Carl Jung

    My ignorance is what first drew me here, and is what continues to keep me lurking here.

    Welcome student,

    Anyone who genuinely and consistently with both hands looks for something , will find it.
    Rumi.

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    Post by dan Sun Oct 14, 2018 1:19 am

    Ok, sports fans...... we have a near emergency......

    I’m unable to get hold of Cuan Scott.  So right now the phonathon is on hold.  

    But I think that continued blogging might be acceptable to the Guinness book of records.  

    So I’ve been trying to get Cuan Scott to keep the chain going.



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    Post by dan Sun Oct 14, 2018 1:37 am

    I’m trying to get smelly back on the line.......

    I’m waiting by the phone........

    Don’t all speak up at once......
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    Post by dan Sun Oct 14, 2018 2:02 am

    My number is +1 443799 seven two oh one.
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    Post by cwallatruth Sun Oct 14, 2018 6:56 am

    Dan,
    What is the emergency?
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    Post by U Sun Oct 14, 2018 8:10 am

    I would love to participate but unfortunately I'm fighting a bad cold.

    Coughing, sneezing, barely breathing.

    No fun!
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    Post by U Sun Oct 14, 2018 8:28 am

    Welcome to class Student.
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    Post by Cuan Scott Sun Oct 14, 2018 9:29 am

    The Keeper Of The Laws wrote:Welcome to class Student.

    Welcome Student Smile

    Folks, I am on with Dan at present.

    Anyone like to join us on the call?
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    Post by U Sun Oct 14, 2018 10:37 am

    Feeling better

    Well leap of faith I guess

    I'll call in

    Be gentle please, I'm all talk no walk, lol.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Oct 14, 2018 11:01 am

    Welcome student.

    Dan, I’m going to have my croissant and espresso and sit in my conf chair and watch Sunday morning then I might be on for an hour or two.

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    Post by hobbit Sun Oct 14, 2018 11:05 am

    smelly wrote:Welcome student.

    Dan, I’m going to have my croissant and espresso and sit in my conf chair and watch Sunday morning then I might be on for an hour or two.


    What time is it there?

    I had two croissants this morning, but can't stand coffee.

    It's just getting dark here , and I have been outside in monsoon weather all day, drenched hobbit.

    Is there a problem?

    soggy hobbit
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Oct 14, 2018 11:35 am

    No problems.

    It’s 1:30pm for Dan 10:30am for me.

    Miss you hobbit, have a nice sleep.

    Dan is doing this everlasting call for disclosure telethon he sprung on all his contacts.

    Join in!
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Oct 14, 2018 12:13 pm

    From my morning meditation on what to do about the evil muppets...

    “The light of a lamp shines on and does not lose its radiance until it is extinguished. Will then will Truth, justice and self control which fuels you fail before your own end?

    Presented with the impression that someone has done wrong, how do I know that this was wrong? And if it was indeed a wrong, how do I know that he was not already condemning himself, which is the equivalent of tearing his own face?

    Wanting the bad man not to do wrong is like wanting a fig–tree not to produce rennet in its figs, babies not to cry, horses not to neigh, or any other inevitable fact of nature. What else can he do with a state of mind like his? So if you are really keen, cure his state.

    If it is not right, don’t do it: if it is not true, don’t say it.”

    —Marcus Aurelius - Meditations Book XII: 16-17

    And this is why I support Jordan Peterson’s project over Disclosure.

    I bring a First Man perspective to Disclosure.

    You will meet repellant acts of suppression and coercion looking behind the curtain, pure evil really.

    But the Dude is vigilant and vigilance is abiding in peace.

    Humanity is loved, if you do not love, well then you are not very Human.

    Humanity is virtuous and capable of wholeness.

    Wholeness is what I AM, which is akin to Disclosure.

    If you are overwhelmed with chaos fake it and practice virtue until you are polished clean.

    It is the mud covering us that confuses us.

    It hides our light and we are light.

    Removing the mud is hard work, but it must be done or you are ravaged by chaos and consumed.

    We reach out to the wounded child within each of us.

    Openness and access and exposing dark deeds is my work.

    The only fight to win is the one inside your self.

    Let the rest sort itself.

    Death is no concern of mine or any First Man.

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