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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Sep 26, 2018 10:24 am

    Being a virtuoso, as you describe is a bullshit cope out criticism Dan.

    Do the god damn work and you will have your prize.

    No excuses.

    No compromises.

    People are clueless, clueless!

    And I can only watch.

    I like to watch, but I like the action too.

    You can go and dance before the Gods right now and they will watch and talk to you.

    No one here can explain that, I assure you.

    Smelly, nor Dan matter ultimately in any scheme of any thing.

    We are just comic relief from the unbearable pain of living.

    Damn, I’m poetic, can I get an AMEN?!

    I have stared down all pretenders, whose next?!

    I would eat the fucking Pope for breakfast and fart on Jesus and Buddha.

    They would say, perfect understanding.

    Enjoy the wind!

    Bahahaha

    Damn, this harvest moon is powerful, can you feel it?

    You can’t?

    Awww, too bad, try try again they say.
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    Post by dan Wed Sep 26, 2018 10:33 am

    Ok, smelly,

    I surrender...... you win.  

    Have I not brought you the mountain?  Do you want egg in your beer?  

    Not a virtuoso......?  

    Maybe not, but he can play one on tv.


    We understand that it would be totally out of character for smelly to recognize any other gods...... he doesn’t even recognize his own son.

    smelly forgot his dark glasses...... he’s been blinded by the sun.

    He is rock. He is an island. He is the Monad, perhaps. It is a small world. He proves that much, bless his heart.


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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Sep 26, 2018 10:39 am

    I love playing.

    When you love playing, welcome back to the garden.

    I am not really this fierce Dan.

    Just a character I relish playing.

    Relax muppet, we got this.

    Satan, do not get behind me, I see you are in me.

    I’m not sure it’s a grace to be like this in a muppet world.
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    Post by SurfBum Wed Sep 26, 2018 10:48 am

    Smelly says do the work and get a prize.

    Bwahahahaha

    What work?

    What prize?

    Shall we plan our own demise?

    The trick is you have to sneak up on the harlequin and not be noticed....then jump out and say boo!

    But the moment you start sneaking up, he already know your coming.

    So there is nothing to do but laugh at the dance and join in.

    But Smelly knows all this. He likes to play the parts and laugh at his own play.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Sep 26, 2018 10:53 am

    Look at the utter corruption of the elites Supreme Court pick.

    They are irrelevant in a loving Cosmos.

    They have thrown themselves as far away from love as they can.

    The way back is throughthe heart.

    You have to really leave all behind and mean it.

    The Way seems almost impossible for reconciliation now that they dig in and cover themselves in dark oil.

    They are The People of the Dark Oil.

    But love always finds a way.

    Even dark oil washes off.

    We must swim through a river of our own shit to return.

    But you can walk above it when you see the trick of the light.

    Remember Chancey, he could walk on water without knowing it, but what if we can know, then you will whistle as you walk on the water.

    There is work to do muppet, don’t keep fooling yourself.

    It takes vigilance and virtue.

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Sep 26, 2018 11:08 am

    When the rain washes you clean...then...and only then..,will you know the sweetness of being.

    Then your pain will be transmuted...in an instant.

    All gone.

    Boo boos all healed.

    Ignore the Playas...

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    Post by SurfBum Wed Sep 26, 2018 11:24 am

    There is work to do but who is supposed to do it?

    Work is always being done.

    I work hard to grow my hair and pump my heart and to breath in and out.

    But try really hard to breath and you will find yourself getting in your own way quickly.

    Vigilance and virtue have always been and will always be your nature.

    Try really hard to be virtuous and see what happens.  Wink

    This is quite a funny little dance

    Speaking of dreams Smelly, do you have any dreams you would like to sell?

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Sep 26, 2018 11:50 am

    My dreams are freely received and given.

    They call it free flowing.

    Try it sometime in between all your other trying.

    This is effortless being.

    Hobbit would say that consciousness is very revved up right now.

    You can tell by the in flow and out flow.

    You can actually feel it.

    It feels like warm wet cotten dancing up and down your spine.

    It’s the oddest thing.

    Sometimes now when I am in deep focus, I have a flood of warm water wash over me.

    Like something just threw a bucket of warm water on my back, no, don’t even think it Wink

    I float outside of my body then and the strangest images and sounds and visions pop into being deep inside my mind.

    I must have a rain tumor, get it, bahahaha.


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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Sep 26, 2018 11:52 am

    Sorry Dan, I’ll just walk on my merry way out of your thread now, delete what you like.

    Muah

    It’s just so hard to quit dancing.
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    Post by Guest Wed Sep 26, 2018 10:05 pm

    Dan,

    I'm just over half way through Tom Delonge's new fiction book. It seems to have an increasing "inside-out" motiff... Do you know anything about that, or this somehow your influence upon TTSA?
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    Post by dan Thu Sep 27, 2018 7:17 am

    Ok, sports fans.......

    Twenty some years ago, Ron used the p word.  Yesterday he used the s word.  

    Back then...... yes, dan, we have a phenomenology problem.  

    Yesterday.......  Kevin is part of the system.  He knows he has to deliver his report.  

    Hmmm...... we don’t say.....

    Then we had ‘phenomenology’, now we have ‘system’.  

    If we google ‘system’, we come up with the following......
    A system is a regularly interacting or interdependent group of units forming an integrated whole.[1] Every system is delineated by its spatial and temporal boundaries, surrounded and influenced by its environment, described by its structure and purpose and expressed in its functioning.

    Historically, the concept of a system was first brought up in the context of the thermodynamics of heat engines, by Nicolas Carnot.  



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    Post by 99 Thu Sep 27, 2018 9:00 am

    So how do you find out who or what is controlling the system? Do you try to change it in some way to find that out?
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    Post by dan Thu Sep 27, 2018 9:40 am

    99,

    How do we find out who or what is controlling the system.......?

    Well, first, I think we should try to establish what system we’re talking about.

    In the meantime, however, I am watching the judiciary hearing.......



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    Post by 99 Thu Sep 27, 2018 10:04 am

    Ok, let's say you're living in occupied Paris in 1940 and you want to kick out the Germans. So do you just sit by the wayside and hope against hopes that they are somehow kicked out or do you immerse yourself within their system in some way (like being a courier for German officers, for example) to find out who's calling the shots and what their next plans are to control the people of France which invaratibly would involve using more draconian measures to do that. 

    When it comes to UFO Disclosure, it's not the attention seeking over-the-top self-proclaimed YouTuber UFO researchers who are working for disclosure because if and when that happens, they'll be the saddest ones on the block as they would be out of a job when that happens. Their motive was fame, glory and money... not Disclosure. Needless to say, the PTB love those ones as they make everyone in the UFO community look like fools. Rather, it's the ones who quietly operate behind the scenes and have immersed themselves into the  system, in some way, to get the information needed to make a real difference on the Disclosure front.


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    Post by Guest Thu Sep 27, 2018 10:10 am

    Dan,

    By system, is Ron referring to Jacques Vallee’s “control system?”
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    Post by dan Thu Sep 27, 2018 10:57 am

    99,

    I understand that there are many folks who imagine that disclosure will be an adversarial proceeding.  

    I am here to disabuse those folks of those illusions.


    dd,

    I believe that Jacques Valle is an atheist.  

    Atheists and theists are likely to have a very different perspective on any systems that might relate to disclosure.  

    But allow me to give you a plot spoiler......

    Every last one of us is an essential part of the personal cosmic system.  I put forward the BPWH/SWH/MoAPS as my best estimate of that system.



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    Post by 99 Thu Sep 27, 2018 11:35 am

    As I said " Rather, it's the ones who quietly operate behind the scenes and have immersed themselves into the  system, in some way, to get the information needed to make a real difference on the Disclosure front."
    ...  and you're one of them Dan. Most of us here acknowledge that. 
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    Post by dan Thu Sep 27, 2018 11:43 am

    Thank you, 99.
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    Post by Guest Thu Sep 27, 2018 11:46 am

    Dan,

    You never got to my question about TTSA and Delonge’s latest fiction. Is Delonge subscribing to a form of your SWH, and the participatory idealism that you espouse? If so, is this due to a direct or indirect influence of your own?
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Sep 27, 2018 12:10 pm

    I find this all kind of funny...
    I find this all kind of sad...

    Something occurred to me Dan.

    Your free will comments have bugged me.

    Free will, smeee will, doesn’t matter.

    Disclosure of the ‘system’ of being leads to living a life collaboratively starting and ending in contentment, true contentment and peace, because that’s what we are.

    We seem to only feel trapped when we don’t get our way Wink

    When we realize we are entirely the Way, the trap becomes a garden.

    A most extraordinary thing.

    The concept of free will just doesn’t matter in the garden Wink

    Isn’t it obvious?

    Just be here in the Garden.

    I find this all kind of silly...


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    Post by hobbit Thu Sep 27, 2018 12:13 pm

    99 wrote:Ok, let's say you're living in occupied Paris in 1940 and you want to kick out the Germans. So do you just sit by the wayside and hope against hopes that they are somehow kicked out or do you immerse yourself within their system in some way (like being a courier for German officers, for example) to find out who's calling the shots and what their next plans are to control the people of France which invaratibly would involve using more draconian measures to do that. 

    When it comes to UFO Disclosure, it's not the attention seeking over-the-top self-proclaimed YouTuber UFO researchers who are working for disclosure because if and when that happens, they'll be the saddest ones on the block as they would be out of a job when that happens. Their motive was fame, glory and money... not Disclosure. Needless to say, the PTB love those ones as they make everyone in the UFO community look like fools. Rather, it's the ones who quietly operate behind the scenes and have immersed themselves into the  system, in some way, to get the information needed to make a real difference on the Disclosure front.





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    Post by cwallatruth Thu Sep 27, 2018 12:29 pm

    dan wrote:99,

    In the meantime, however, I am watching the judiciary hearing.......

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    Dan,
    What's your take on the hearing? Is this all BS? How important is it for BK to be confirmed?
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Sep 27, 2018 1:27 pm

    To watch how much the elite hate us is on open display.

    They are really disgusting empty creeps.

    I don’t hate them.

    Thy are empty.

    This is what emptiness looks like.

    You can hear the echo in their hollow hearts and empty minds.
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    Post by dan Thu Sep 27, 2018 1:46 pm

    dd,

    I’m not aware of any correlation between my beliefs and those of members of the TTSA.
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    Post by GrandCru Thu Sep 27, 2018 6:23 pm

    when you say that Ron indicated Kevin was part of the "system", in what way are we to understand this?

    There is a correlation between the phenomenology problem and a system, got it. An important part of this system is personalism.

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