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Well, the ‘system’ was only a few hours old when Kevin politely declined our offer to be part of it.  More power to him.  

Kevin would like to be his own discloser, thank you very much.  

You are welcome to it, Kev.

Kevin is demonstrating that the system is just run by us, persons.  It is by us, for us and about us...... you go, Kev.   I would do exactly the same thing in his position.  

This is not some cosmic machine.  

We may not have free will, in the End, but, by golly, we can stand up individually, and fight city hall every inch of the way.  

Kevin and Joe are steel driving men.  They are not about to let some soulless machine take their jobs away...... bless their hearts.



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Yes, the best possible world is a system, but it is a system that is buried within every one of us, personally.  

It will come to the surface in good time, but only at the behest of each one of us, voluntarily.

We can’t hurry love...... we cannot storm the gates of heaven.  

Love abides.  

My advice to Ron....... do not mention my name again with Kevin.

We do not kick sleeping individuals.  

Kevin and Joe may be standing right beside a portal.  That does not mean that they are awake to what must lie on the other side.

There are connections which must be made.  It takes time.  It must come from within.  

We can all see the ordinary world around us.  Science can measure the ordinary.  Truth is hidden in the ordinary...... Truth can shine in the extraordinary.  

We must first let our little ‘ordinary’ lights shine...... before we may fully grasp the extraordinary.  

I believe we see that with the Princess.... through the Princess.  Kevin, bless his heart, is not a substitute.  

Kevin was expected to take the heat off the Princess.  

Kevin is simply telling us that he is not the one to do that.  

A decision point for Kevin may come with respect to Grant’s show. Will he refuse an invitation...... with or without me?  At this point, there is no point in my appearing again, alone.  Nothing will have changed, as far as Grant is concerned.  

Kevin has written a report.  Others have seen it.  

Is he now going to hide his report under a bushel?  

Perhaps Grant should call Joe.  Joe is very aware of this report.  


10:30........

A word that I have seldom used is the transpersonal.  This word stems from the collective unconscious.  

This word has nothing to do with transhumanism.  That is a word that is sometimes applied to artificial intelligence.  I offer precious little credence to anything that smacks of Strong AI.  In fact, I would pose that cosmology implied in the technological Singularity of transhumanism gives the lie to Strong AI.

What is a personalist supposed to make of the transpersonal?  

For a personalist who is also a monist, it is a no brainer.  

Does it make any sense for a personalist to not be a monist?  I claim not.

The burden of proof would be on the agnostic existentialist to explain how persons might arise, either without a Source or without a Telos.  

Was personhood just floating in the void...... waiting to be discovered?

We, persons are nothing, if not social.  I merely suggest that we are not atoms in the void, but more like icebergs floating in an ocean.  Mystics speak of an oceanic feeling.  


12:50.........

An ocean is hardly personal.  Next to empty space, it is the most impersonal thing we can imagine.  

This ‘ocean’ is the sort of thing that pantheists and panpsychists have in mind, it is easy for us to imagine.  

The problem with this picture is that it is basically dualistic.  It starts with the assumption of a material world and then distributes a mind like substance throughout it.  That is what the ‘pan-‘ is referring to.  It is a cloud like, distributed intelligence or sentience.  

The idea of distributed intelligence is also found in informationalism.  Informationalism does have its non-dual ontology to recommend it.  And quantum theory, especially when viewed as a field theory, does seem to point in this direction.  

But, without a backdrop of absolute space, we have no way to contain this information.  It’s hard to imagine information without a substrate of some sort.  


1:50........

Thank you, smelly.  I figured I was just plagiarising/paraphrasing you.  



In the backdrop to these speculations, is the notion raised yesterday of a ‘system’, as it might apply to the disclosure process..... another rather impersonal metaphor.  

The idea of the collective unconscious of Jung hardly does anything to render the world warm and fuzzy.  


2:05........

PF,

I read fiction, but I can’t read your mind.  



Personalism is the odd belief that the transpersonal is not also transhuman.  

It seems virtually self-contradictory.  

I’m saying that the transpersonal is actually just interpersonal, where the interpersonal is something rather more than just social.  When we say collective unconscious, we might also say social unconscious.  It is a place from which love would have to emerge.  

I’m suggesting that human potential is infinite.  Our world..... the world is unobstructed with regard to sapience.  There are no more boundaries between us and anything transcendental.  

Not even our bodies......?  Our bodies are our final illusion.  We are self-transcendent, in other words.  That is communion with the cosmic Self..... the Source..... the Telos.  

And how do we prove this.....?  The proof will ultimately have to be in the cosmic pudding..... the Monad.  Along the way, the Hive will do just fine, thank you very much.  


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Any sort of pantheism requires a frame.

The frame for panentheism is a society of persons.  I often reference the cosmic Self.  One might wonder if that is a transhuman.  

I have referred to us as being the brain cells of God..... again suggesting something transhuman...... something over and above.  

The same could be said for the Source and the Telos..... ie. the Monad.  

The closed timelike curve (CTC) of the small world hypothesis (SWH) allows us greater flexibility in how we treat the notion of a Godhead.  Our communion with the Godhead has two aspects or dimensions, in accord with the two dimensions of time......the historical/experiential time and the logical/transcendental dimensions of ‘deep’ time..... deep psyche.  

We have both the temporal and transcendental aspects of God.  We have the communion within ourselves and the communion at the ends of time.  

Our communion within is personal in the direction of the transcendental.  Our communion without is more interpersonal.  

There is a strongly teleological element.  It operates in both dimensions.  The deep psyche eventually aligns itself with the interpersonal/historical dimension.  

Teilhard referred to the Noosphere.  One aspect of that is our wired planet.  The internet acts as a kind of x-ray of God.  It takes a bit of the mystery out of God.  It greatly facilitates the interpersonal without overshadowing the personal.  There is no superhuman genii inside the internet...... not that I know of, anyway.  In short it is a tool.  An amplifier of everyone’s personhood...... potentially, at least.  




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You can’t hurry Love...

So...

Love Abides
Love Abides
Love Abides



From Shakespeare's The Merchant of Venice,

“How far that little candle throws his beams!
So shines a good deed in a weary world.”

Yes, it must come from you.

Very good Dan, you rascally wabbit.

See, the Dude is Love and Love Abides.



Love is funky and da groove is found in da heart.

dan wrote:dd,

I’m not aware of any correlation between my beliefs and those of members of the TTSA.  

Do you read fiction, Dan?

This moment is flowing like sweet ambrosia honey...

Best post from you Dan in 3 years for me.

I give it 5 Smelly Goatz

I don’t care what Awareness anyone has anymore, not at all.

And you have touched on it.

We become comfortable having two opposite ideas allowed to be true at the same time in heart and mind.

When you are close to the gate, the conflicts seem to grow.

Can you guess why?

Focus is the key.

I bet you lost most folks on this one.

Good.

You are seeing patterns in chaos.

Something has shifted.

They should listen to themselves.

As Above, So Below



You wanna feel the ocean, then just let it all go crazy Diamond...play your own game. You can dive deep into the darkness of your self, if needed, use history as a bungee cord, then you can cut that too.

WOWEE



You know we have UFOs because of HG Wells.

Imagining is what we are doing.

You come awake in waves.

Very gently at first, but all must face the Tempest of their own Soul.

How would you know the difference between Heaven and Hell?

When you are comfortably numb...

Hobbit, thanks for that wikipedia link on 
Jacques Bergier
Will check out some of his writings.

99 wrote:Hobbit, thanks for that wikipedia link on 
Jacques Bergier
Will check out some of his writings.

http://koreshan.mwweb.org/virtual_exhibit/vex3/ac-0130.pdf


hobbit

It may well be that ford has cia ties.  Would it surprise anyone?  Events may be converging, about now.  

Is this a deep state takeover?  Not really....... it’s all just in house/small world.  That the intel community has several fingers in the disclosure pie...... I would hope so.  Someone needs to be keeping score.

Do keep in mind that science has played the key role in setting us up for the MoAPS.  Was Christine a honey trap for Bret?  

Was science a honey trap for the intellectual/scientific elite?  Same idea.  

smelly might finally be waking up to the fact that time has two dimensions. smelly suffered the Rapture of the depths. He may finally be coming up for air...... smelling the coffee.



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Dan-

All this talk of being a personalist has me wondering.

What are your thoughts(and Ron's) on CE(cognitive enhancement) caused by the phenomena.

"..awareness is primary over the physical world..the physical world emerges out of the awareness... everything is fundamentally made out of consciousness"

Is this setting up the argument that, with the right conditions, our capabilities to manifest reality is beyond what the general public understands and is rooted in physics?

GC,

Of course it is.  This is what disclosure has always been about.  We feel sorry for the ufo weenies.   They never bothered to ask what might be behind the phenomena.  They could only ever imagine Earth-like phenomena on a galactic scale.  This lack of depth is, of course, endemic to modern civilization.  That is the sky which is about to fall...... deep space, deep time is our logical, illusary sky which is about to implode.  

They had no idea that the Earth was riding on the back of an elephant, and the elephant was getting tired of its burden.  It needed a rest.... a Rapture rest.

One of smelly’s jobs has been weenie roaster.  

The right wing conspiracy nuts think that the deep state is out to get Trump.  No, fools.  One layer of the onion is introducing itself to another layer.  It’s a game of Russian dolls..... being played inside multiple rabbit holes.  When we tire of the game....... is disclosure..... the smelly version.  smelly got the cheat sheet at one of his tea parties.  I was handed a more succinct version by Sophia/John back in ‘77.  

Yes, I was spared smelly’s Rapture of the depths. He will never forgive me.  But, smelly, I understand the logic of it all. It comes from doing my physics homework.  We all have to pay to play.  

Bret’s introductions were a bit abrupt..... then and now.  He would like to go home and cry to mom..... she was already there to kiss his boo boo.  Was he set up for this?  His consolation prize might be a seat on the bench, but he already has one.  His is a first world problem.  

donald is watching dutifully.  It’s his own personal show and tell.  What’s the frequency, donny?  At one point, he might have thought he owned this little rabbit hole.  No, donny, this is not some third rate  rabbit hole....... surprise.  This is the big time.... big top.  Maybe Ron didn’t give him the full briefing.  Maybe donny got impatient.  I know the feeling.  We’re only human, donny.  



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Wonder how much they're paying off Judge to sing along with Bret's version of things? Oh well, the old boys club still prevails...

99,

Please stop trying to be the cynic.  It does not become you.  And please don’t keep deleting your posts, no matter how ill-conceived.  Your posts are your badges of courage.  Wear them, please.

Of course, you may be right...... it’s still just business as usual.  But, we at OMF are responsible to keep the Gate open. You never know who might show up.  Yours is the cheap shot.  Illigitimi non carborundum. Don’t sink to that level. Keep your head up. Bret is business as usual. Don’t let him grind you down.

One fine day, we wake up to unusual times..... to deep time.

If that possibility is not always in the forefront of your mind, you are letting us all down, 99. Keep your lamp burning, please. You don’t have to remind us of the dark.

The old boys club, always prevails Dan... but not for too much longer. 

Come hell or high water, the repukes are going to give cry baby Brett, that bench.

Note: Not all Republicans are Repukes... just the ones at that Kavanaugh/Ford hearing.

With the exception of Flake.

Come hell or high water..........

99,

This is not high water.  Ask Noah about high water.  

You don’t know what strings are being pulled, or how long they are.

Were you too lazy to use google?

There are plenty of strings in Washington.  Some of them go deeper than others...... all the way down the rabbit hole.

You are splashing in the very shallow end of the pool. You are very afraid of being over your head. You have no flotation device.

You really shouldn’t leave home without one.



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hobbit wrote:

99 wrote:Hobbit, thanks for that wikipedia link on 
Jacques Bergier
Will check out some of his writings.

http://koreshan.mwweb.org/virtual_exhibit/vex3/ac-0130.pdf


hobbit

Thanks fo the link Hobbit!

Thank you, 99,

I had not realized that hobbit was referring to the hollow earth theory, which is a very truncated/materialist version of the the small world hypothesis (SWH).

A slightly more sophisticated theory that the HET is the concave Earth theory....  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollow_Earth#Concave_Hollow_Earths .....

In one chapter of his book On the Wild Side (1992), Martin Gardner discusses the Hollow Earth model articulated by Abdelkader. According to Gardner, this hypothesis posits that light rays travel in circular paths, and slow as they approach the center of the spherical star-filled cavern. No energy can reach the center of the cavern, which corresponds to no point a finite distance away from Earth in the widely accepted scientific cosmology.

The CET will conform to existing laws of physics, if you simply perform a frame inversion with a new point at infinity.  This is a routine matter of ‘complex analysis’.  Paul Zielinski alerted me to this mathematical transformation.  

This is one way to introduce physicists to the SWH/CTC. Even Martin Gardner can play with it. He just couldn’t figure out what it might be good for.



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Dan,
I didn't mention anything about the hollow earth.

Please don't ascribe false accusations.

I put a link to the dawn of the magicians book by bergier.

Hobbit

I do love my Nespresso Dan.

Mmmm, smells so good. I will/would miss it if we do such things in death, which I highly doubt.

Let’s just say Dan, I was trapped between the deep dark wood and my warm hearth for the best amount of time.

I am no longer trapped.

You silly old man.

This is an experience.

I had set up a honey pot beacon for Consciousness at work, in my cube.

I’m just a cute little cube worker following the other ants.

My honey pot caught the nose of Consciousness.

It pierced me almost instantly and very deeply.

It looked right through me.

It blew my atoms around.

Sophia perhaps herself, winking at me.

To touch it so rawly...no words really.

It is very personal at times.

UFO weenies...

True dat

Bahahaha

I watched ancient aliens yesterday, the muppets ask for it, beg for the flames.

And Dan people like you are needed to shine in the places evil can hide.

The mind is a hedge against it, but it has its weaknesses and blind spots, with the break down of civilization, evil may return en force.

I know we must be vigilant against it, always on guard to protect what we love and need.

It will NEVER win, but also, it can never die.

That’s a chilling realization my ilk and the stoics had 2500 years ago.

It is very simple, our lives bring ill into the world or light.

Let there be LIGHT

Oh Sophia told me to have fun and not take it all too seriously, it’s just serious fun.

Is this more, you'll never know how much I know about all those secret known unknowns only the cabal and I are permitted to not discuss?

ParanoidFactoid wrote:Is this more, you'll never know how much I know about all those secret known unknowns only the cabal and I are permitted to not discuss?  

Something about this post made Me laugh????


Hobbit

You are a funny little hobbit.

Dan wrote:It may well be that ford has cia ties.

Hmmmm, really? Interesting conjecture.