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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    Post by dan Wed Jul 18, 2018 5:52 am

    First topic message reminder :

    Ok, here we go...... as I take a deep breath.......

    Well, this post will be reserved as the topical reminder.  Hopefully the discussion will last for more that one page.

    (Please keep in mind the links given in the fifth post on this thread...... https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t313-three-in-one )

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    Post by 99 Mon Sep 03, 2018 8:00 am

    Here's a screenshot from one of Greer's most recent YouTube videos. It's his UFO/ET classification chart.


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    Post by Course Catalog Mon Sep 03, 2018 8:51 am

    If we are truly in the middle of an orchestrated effort at "coming clean" aka disclosure, why would these competing groups be introducing new conflicting and confusing concepts about what is really happening? At this late date, haven't we seen enough BS? At the very least, establishing whether this phenomenon is threatening (as Delonge's group would have us believe) or super cuddly (as Greer preaches) or whatever the hell Dan believes (a seemingly hive minded Borg-like entity that will engulf us all through the use of - -and I am getting sketchy here - interdimensional portals brought about as a side effect to gyro-based propulsion experiments?

    I can't decide which of these "truths" is least attractive. The only common ground I see if that two out of three groups (not Greer) seem to think that the phenomena is the result of a hive-mind force. For Delonge this seemingly means a controlling, fascist biological robot race with a hive mind that wants to destroy or at least enslave humans. For Dan it's more of a incredibly wonderful life force that will engulf us and bring us back to the source. At least Greer envisions a universe full of diverse life, some of which doesn't want to kill us.

    Perhaps this is all just a parlor game for distracting those who think too much as the powers that be try to figure out a way to tell us that the planet is dying, we have less than 20 years, we are sadly alone in the universe, superman is not coming to save us, and that's all she wrote.

    Edit: And I know I am being extremely reductionist in my depiction of Dan's theories so please forgive my comic book-like summary.
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    Post by 99 Mon Sep 03, 2018 9:11 am

    My view (unlike Greer's) is that it's not all sun-shine and rainbows out there when examining the UFO/ET phenomenon. And when doing so, it has the potential of immersing one into an alternate perception of reality that can throw people into a state of ontological shock. Dan addresses that aspect of the phenomenon and offers us much food for thought when looking at the big picture.


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    Post by dan Mon Sep 03, 2018 9:17 am

    I don’t know what it is about the BPW that is so difficult to grasp.  

    You ask for whom it is best..... it is best for everyone...... for all persons.

    At any given time, some of us may seem better off than others..... not just monetarily, of course.  But, trust me, it all works out in the End.  That’s why I’m an eschatologist.  


    12:40........

    Since Steve is not available this afternoon, we are throwing the GtM open to all, but the topic for discussion is my candidacy on the platform of the BPWH.  It will be at 4pm(edt).  Meeting # will follow......



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    Post by Course Catalog Mon Sep 03, 2018 9:50 am

    I for one would love to see Dan and Steve argue the nature of the phenomenon.

    Strangely, I have more respect for Greer after the release of that speech., after mocking him mercilessly for years.
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    Post by dan Mon Sep 03, 2018 10:09 am

    I assure you, CC, it would be nolo contendere.

    Steve does not have a philosophical bone in his body..... not unlike Joe F, in that regard.

    No unlike almost everyone one else on this forum.



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    Post by 99 Mon Sep 03, 2018 10:17 am

    I've never jumped on the anti-Greer bandwagon. Granted I don't agree with all of his views on things, I've always found his video presentations thought-provoking nevertheless.
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    Post by Course Catalog Mon Sep 03, 2018 10:22 am

    Well perhaps he could at least explain why he sees you as the most dangerous force in the universe (or however he characterized you in that presentation).
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    Post by dan Mon Sep 03, 2018 10:26 am

    I am the destroyer of fantasies....... the misguided ones.  Now we have the alignment of fantasies, starting with the 10^10 virgins.

    This is what our return to the Source is all about.  

    It is the wedding feast in the sky.  

    And the 10^10 shall be come one substance.  

    This is what monism is all about...... e pluribus unum.  



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    Post by ParanoidFactoid Mon Sep 03, 2018 10:36 am

    Let's hear it then, dude. Content, not chest thumping.
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    Post by dan Mon Sep 03, 2018 10:38 am

    It will be up to the Princess to reveal something more of the hive, or to confirm what I’ve been able to piece together.

    Shall we have a review of the hive........?

    The hive acts as a buffer between us and the Source.  It is our cosmic cocoon.  We all come from the Source, through the hive.  The Princess came more directly from the hive.  She has memories of it, and she has conducted Footmann and Kashmir to the hive, on numerous occasions.  

    I have not, knowingly, witnessed the hive.  All of us, however, have had portal experiences, of one sort or another.  

    Portals, in general, are where our Earthly cocoon grows thinner, such as in dreams and altered states of consciousness.  

    A more objective portal serves to allow multiple persons to access the hive, generally in an out of body fashion. The hive is akin to our collective unconscious.


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    Post by ParanoidFactoid Mon Sep 03, 2018 10:55 am

    dan wrote:It will be up to the Princess to reveal something more of the hive, or to confirm what I’ve been able to piece together.

    Shall we have a review of the hive........?

    The hive acts as a buffer between us and the Source.  It is our cosmic cocoon.  We all come from the Source, through the hive.  The Princess came more directly from the hive.  She has memories of it, and she has conducted Footmann and Kashmir to the hive, on numerous occasions.  

    I have not, knowingly, witnessed the hive.  All of us, however, have had portal experiences, of one sort or another.  

    Portals, in general, are where our Earthly cocoon grows thinner, such as in dreams and altered states of consciousness.  


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    Do you think you could put your ideas together into a one hour (or so) presentation with slides? Suitable for a podium conference speech or Youtube?

    (this is a serious question)
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    Post by dan Mon Sep 03, 2018 10:59 am

    PF,

    I don’t do PowerPoints.

    I do one on one, basically........ but I can soliloquize, as on OM.

    This is the WoM/MoAPS.
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    Post by Course Catalog Mon Sep 03, 2018 11:02 am

    How are the Hive and the Source and UFOs connected then?

    You began this journey investigating UFOs but these days you rarely mention them specificallly.
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    Post by dan Mon Sep 03, 2018 11:04 am

    Wrongo, CC,

    I began this journey seeking the Truth beyond physics.

    I had given up on physics with my first masters degree, but I had not given up on life.  

    It was Jack’s ‘comic’ book, Space, Time and Beyond (1975) that was my entre into metaphysics.  

    It introduced me to the Anthropic principle...... the rest is history..... mine, Ron’s and Aliyah’s.



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    Post by ParanoidFactoid Mon Sep 03, 2018 11:09 am

    dan wrote:PF,

    I don’t do PowerPoints.

    I do one on one, basically........ but I can soliloquize, as on OM.

    This is the WoM/MoAPS.  

    OK. No slides. Can you give a speech from prepared notes, like a lecturer (or even a minister) does? Or write a book? I'll read it!

    You offered to debate Greer. (or any of the other UFO / spiritual speakers on the lecture circuit, I suppose). To win a debate like that you'd need to have your ideas organized and in writing. Even if just on 3x5 note cards.

    I can't speak for everyone, but I find it incredibly difficult to to piece together a cogent argument from sparse comments on a message forum.
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    Post by dan Mon Sep 03, 2018 11:12 am

    I’m like smelly, I don’t do speeches.

    You are being very lazy, PF.  It is already, all there, in logical form...... just look at the top of this page....... https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t313-three-in-one .

    IOW, PF, you are going to have to write your own book.  I am humming a few bars....... you have to make your own song.  

    Jesus had half of this message, I’ve got the other half. Let 10^10 flowers bloom.


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    Post by skaizlimit Mon Sep 03, 2018 11:24 am

    The perfection of imperfection requires an annihilation of that which is imperfect.

    Dan continuously admits imperfection, but takes no steps to annihilate that imperfection which he finds within himself.

    Perfect mercy provides time for this purpose; perfect lethality provides the means.

    Anyone's current condition reveals any progress that might have been achieved.
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    Post by ParanoidFactoid Mon Sep 03, 2018 11:24 am

    dan wrote:I’m like smelly, I don’t do speeches.

    You are being very lazy, PF.  It is already, all there, in logical form...... just look at the top of this page....... https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t313-three-in-one .

    IOW, PF, you are going to have to write your own book.  I am humming a few bars....... you have to make your own song.  



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    I was there for that meeting. Remember? And that post was - like - 500 words. It's not possible to express a complex argument with nuance like that. And I do believe you have nuance to express.

    As for anything I write, that's for me and my ideas. Not that anyone wants to read it. But that's my problem.

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    Post by dan Mon Sep 03, 2018 11:27 am

    Skai,

    The Princess is killing me softly with her love. You would be a prime witness.


    PF,

    The Princess and I are here to help.  Foot......?  He rides shotgun.  


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    Post by Course Catalog Mon Sep 03, 2018 11:31 am

    I have read Jack's book and much (not all of course) of your writing. about the best possible world. I understand the anthropic principle.

    I have a workable understanding of where you stand Philosophically (although you recently lost me with the virgins).

    But I often have trouble distinguishing between your metaphors, symbols, allusions, parables and day to day life.

    For example, are we to believe literally that:

    the princess comes from another dimension
    that Footmann - a high ranking intelligence agent - met the princess when she was a young child
    that he was given custody of her at that time
    that the magical pod that brought her to this world (and some sort of technological "goodie bag") was handed over to the president.and disseminated to private corporations for development
    That Footmann later married this now grown up princess
    that the princess retains the ability to travel through some sort of portal to another world or at least another level of consciousness, which may or may not involve the physical body
    that the world is heading towards some catastrophe that will set us back technologically to the Stone Age
    That some of the earth's population will seemingly be wiped out by this catastrophe
    That, after this event, the majority of survivors will leave the planet through one of these portals to exist in the hive or the garden of eden or whatever "there" is
    That a smaller portion of the surviving population will stay behind and rebuild a primitive society that will, due to the cyclical nature of time, result in them being our ancestors.
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    Post by dan Mon Sep 03, 2018 11:38 am

    Well, PF, the Princess and I do disagree on the ELE.  I do believe that the 10^10 virgins, behind the green door, will encourage us toward voluntary fertility reduction.  No?

    The Princess, if truth be told, is a chastity belt, wrt the Hive.

    She operates the wishing well. Be careful what you wish for.


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    Post by ParanoidFactoid Mon Sep 03, 2018 11:41 am

    dan wrote:Well, PF, the Princess and I do disagree on the ELE.  I do believe that the 10^10 virgins, behind the green door, will encourage us toward voluntary fertility reduction.  No?

    CC posted some wonderful questions. I'd like to step back and read.

    The Princess, if truth be told, is a chastity belt, wrt the Hive.

    So many opportunities... Must. Refrain. From quip!


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    Post by dan Mon Sep 03, 2018 11:44 am

    PF,

    Didn’t he though.......  Yes, you do need to do your homework.

    Refrain from quip........ tell that to smelly..... a very smart young man, but when is he going to wake up and smell the coffee?  

    It was the task of Buddha to put all the smart fellas like smelly to sleep. He intends to sleep through the Resurrection.



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    Post by ParanoidFactoid Mon Sep 03, 2018 11:48 am

    dan wrote:PF,

    Didn’t he though.......  Yes, you do need to do your homework.  

    Lay it on me, buddy.

    EDIT: and I'd just like to point out, "homework" presumes a taught course. And those are traditionally done with lectures and assigned texts. Books. Often one written by the lecturer him or herself (because how else would the damn thing sell other than by assigning it to students?)

    And you've just refused to give lectures or write a book.

    I'd also like to point out, if you did organize your ideas you could go on the lecture circuit and make some bank. And also attract a following. If that's what you want.

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