Immaterialism

First topic message reminder :

Ok, here we go...... as I take a deep breath.......

Well, this post will be reserved as the topical reminder.  Hopefully the discussion will last for more that one page.

(Please keep in mind the links given in the fifth post on this thread...... https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t313-three-in-one )

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Here's a screenshot from one of Greer's most recent YouTube videos. It's his UFO/ET classification chart.

If we are truly in the middle of an orchestrated effort at "coming clean" aka disclosure, why would these competing groups be introducing new conflicting and confusing concepts about what is really happening? At this late date, haven't we seen enough BS? At the very least, establishing whether this phenomenon is threatening (as Delonge's group would have us believe) or super cuddly (as Greer preaches) or whatever the hell Dan believes (a seemingly hive minded Borg-like entity that will engulf us all through the use of - -and I am getting sketchy here - interdimensional portals brought about as a side effect to gyro-based propulsion experiments?

I can't decide which of these "truths" is least attractive. The only common ground I see if that two out of three groups (not Greer) seem to think that the phenomena is the result of a hive-mind force. For Delonge this seemingly means a controlling, fascist biological robot race with a hive mind that wants to destroy or at least enslave humans. For Dan it's more of a incredibly wonderful life force that will engulf us and bring us back to the source. At least Greer envisions a universe full of diverse life, some of which doesn't want to kill us.

Perhaps this is all just a parlor game for distracting those who think too much as the powers that be try to figure out a way to tell us that the planet is dying, we have less than 20 years, we are sadly alone in the universe, superman is not coming to save us, and that's all she wrote.

Edit: And I know I am being extremely reductionist in my depiction of Dan's theories so please forgive my comic book-like summary.

My view (unlike Greer's) is that it's not all sun-shine and rainbows out there when examining the UFO/ET phenomenon. And when doing so, it has the potential of immersing one into an alternate perception of reality that can throw people into a state of ontological shock. Dan addresses that aspect of the phenomenon and offers us much food for thought when looking at the big picture.

I don’t know what it is about the BPW that is so difficult to grasp.  

You ask for whom it is best..... it is best for everyone...... for all persons.

At any given time, some of us may seem better off than others..... not just monetarily, of course.  But, trust me, it all works out in the End.  That’s why I’m an eschatologist.  


12:40........

Since Steve is not available this afternoon, we are throwing the GtM open to all, but the topic for discussion is my candidacy on the platform of the BPWH.  It will be at 4pm(edt).  Meeting # will follow......



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I for one would love to see Dan and Steve argue the nature of the phenomenon.

Strangely, I have more respect for Greer after the release of that speech., after mocking him mercilessly for years.

I assure you, CC, it would be nolo contendere.

Steve does not have a philosophical bone in his body..... not unlike Joe F, in that regard.

No unlike almost everyone one else on this forum.



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I've never jumped on the anti-Greer bandwagon. Granted I don't agree with all of his views on things, I've always found his video presentations thought-provoking nevertheless.

Well perhaps he could at least explain why he sees you as the most dangerous force in the universe (or however he characterized you in that presentation).

I am the destroyer of fantasies....... the misguided ones.  Now we have the alignment of fantasies, starting with the 10^10 virgins.

This is what our return to the Source is all about.  

It is the wedding feast in the sky.  

And the 10^10 shall be come one substance.  

This is what monism is all about...... e pluribus unum.  



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Let's hear it then, dude. Content, not chest thumping.

It will be up to the Princess to reveal something more of the hive, or to confirm what I’ve been able to piece together.

Shall we have a review of the hive........?

The hive acts as a buffer between us and the Source.  It is our cosmic cocoon.  We all come from the Source, through the hive.  The Princess came more directly from the hive.  She has memories of it, and she has conducted Footmann and Kashmir to the hive, on numerous occasions.  

I have not, knowingly, witnessed the hive.  All of us, however, have had portal experiences, of one sort or another.  

Portals, in general, are where our Earthly cocoon grows thinner, such as in dreams and altered states of consciousness.  

A more objective portal serves to allow multiple persons to access the hive, generally in an out of body fashion. The hive is akin to our collective unconscious.


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dan wrote:It will be up to the Princess to reveal something more of the hive, or to confirm what I’ve been able to piece together.

Shall we have a review of the hive........?

The hive acts as a buffer between us and the Source.  It is our cosmic cocoon.  We all come from the Source, through the hive.  The Princess came more directly from the hive.  She has memories of it, and she has conducted Footmann and Kashmir to the hive, on numerous occasions.  

I have not, knowingly, witnessed the hive.  All of us, however, have had portal experiences, of one sort or another.  

Portals, in general, are where our Earthly cocoon grows thinner, such as in dreams and altered states of consciousness.  


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Do you think you could put your ideas together into a one hour (or so) presentation with slides? Suitable for a podium conference speech or Youtube?

(this is a serious question)

PF,

I don’t do PowerPoints.

I do one on one, basically........ but I can soliloquize, as on OM.

This is the WoM/MoAPS.

How are the Hive and the Source and UFOs connected then?

You began this journey investigating UFOs but these days you rarely mention them specificallly.

Wrongo, CC,

I began this journey seeking the Truth beyond physics.

I had given up on physics with my first masters degree, but I had not given up on life.  

It was Jack’s ‘comic’ book, Space, Time and Beyond (1975) that was my entre into metaphysics.  

It introduced me to the Anthropic principle...... the rest is history..... mine, Ron’s and Aliyah’s.



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dan wrote:PF,

I don’t do PowerPoints.

I do one on one, basically........ but I can soliloquize, as on OM.

This is the WoM/MoAPS.  

OK. No slides. Can you give a speech from prepared notes, like a lecturer (or even a minister) does? Or write a book? I'll read it!

You offered to debate Greer. (or any of the other UFO / spiritual speakers on the lecture circuit, I suppose). To win a debate like that you'd need to have your ideas organized and in writing. Even if just on 3x5 note cards.

I can't speak for everyone, but I find it incredibly difficult to to piece together a cogent argument from sparse comments on a message forum.

I’m like smelly, I don’t do speeches.

You are being very lazy, PF.  It is already, all there, in logical form...... just look at the top of this page....... https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t313-three-in-one .

IOW, PF, you are going to have to write your own book.  I am humming a few bars....... you have to make your own song.  

Jesus had half of this message, I’ve got the other half. Let 10^10 flowers bloom.


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The perfection of imperfection requires an annihilation of that which is imperfect.

Dan continuously admits imperfection, but takes no steps to annihilate that imperfection which he finds within himself.

Perfect mercy provides time for this purpose; perfect lethality provides the means.

Anyone's current condition reveals any progress that might have been achieved.

dan wrote:I’m like smelly, I don’t do speeches.

You are being very lazy, PF.  It is already, all there, in logical form...... just look at the top of this page....... https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t313-three-in-one .

IOW, PF, you are going to have to write your own book.  I am humming a few bars....... you have to make your own song.  



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I was there for that meeting. Remember? And that post was - like - 500 words. It's not possible to express a complex argument with nuance like that. And I do believe you have nuance to express.

As for anything I write, that's for me and my ideas. Not that anyone wants to read it. But that's my problem.

Skai,

The Princess is killing me softly with her love. You would be a prime witness.


PF,

The Princess and I are here to help.  Foot......?  He rides shotgun.  


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I have read Jack's book and much (not all of course) of your writing. about the best possible world. I understand the anthropic principle.

I have a workable understanding of where you stand Philosophically (although you recently lost me with the virgins).

But I often have trouble distinguishing between your metaphors, symbols, allusions, parables and day to day life.

For example, are we to believe literally that:

the princess comes from another dimension
that Footmann - a high ranking intelligence agent - met the princess when she was a young child
that he was given custody of her at that time
that the magical pod that brought her to this world (and some sort of technological "goodie bag") was handed over to the president.and disseminated to private corporations for development
That Footmann later married this now grown up princess
that the princess retains the ability to travel through some sort of portal to another world or at least another level of consciousness, which may or may not involve the physical body
that the world is heading towards some catastrophe that will set us back technologically to the Stone Age
That some of the earth's population will seemingly be wiped out by this catastrophe
That, after this event, the majority of survivors will leave the planet through one of these portals to exist in the hive or the garden of eden or whatever "there" is
That a smaller portion of the surviving population will stay behind and rebuild a primitive society that will, due to the cyclical nature of time, result in them being our ancestors.

Well, PF, the Princess and I do disagree on the ELE.  I do believe that the 10^10 virgins, behind the green door, will encourage us toward voluntary fertility reduction.  No?

The Princess, if truth be told, is a chastity belt, wrt the Hive.

She operates the wishing well. Be careful what you wish for.


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dan wrote:Well, PF, the Princess and I do disagree on the ELE.  I do believe that the 10^10 virgins, behind the green door, will encourage us toward voluntary fertility reduction.  No?

CC posted some wonderful questions. I'd like to step back and read.

The Princess, if truth be told, is a chastity belt, wrt the Hive.

So many opportunities... Must. Refrain. From quip!

PF,

Didn’t he though.......  Yes, you do need to do your homework.

Refrain from quip........ tell that to smelly..... a very smart young man, but when is he going to wake up and smell the coffee?  

It was the task of Buddha to put all the smart fellas like smelly to sleep. He intends to sleep through the Resurrection.



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dan wrote:PF,

Didn’t he though.......  Yes, you do need to do your homework.  

Lay it on me, buddy.

EDIT: and I'd just like to point out, "homework" presumes a taught course. And those are traditionally done with lectures and assigned texts. Books. Often one written by the lecturer him or herself (because how else would the damn thing sell other than by assigning it to students?)

And you've just refused to give lectures or write a book.

I'd also like to point out, if you did organize your ideas you could go on the lecture circuit and make some bank. And also attract a following. If that's what you want.