Immaterialism

ParanoidFactoid wrote:

smelly wrote:

ParanoidFactoid wrote:I'll say this in defense of Greer. He collected a vast amount of testimony from well regarded people who risked their reputations to go on the record and say incredible things. He arranged the 2001 National Press Conference on UFOs, where some remarkable testimony was made very public. And that's commendable.

But personally, I find his CE5 initiative to be ... misguided. I think he believes in everything he does. But, as I said, I also think his brains got scrambled. And it seems there was a dramatic shift from his earlier work of documenting to his later work of 'experiencing', where I think he lost perspective.

But that's just my opinion.

Yah, that is just, like, your opinion, man.

Way to play both sidez though!

Tell us all PF, what should we do?

What is the RIGHT initiative?

This is right up your alley...

The Dude: It's all a god damn fake, man. It's like Lenin said: you look for the person who will benefit, and, uh, uh, you know...

So who here is benefiting from Disclosure confusion?

Who benefits from Disclosure clarity?

Whose game are you playing?

You think you have to be powerful in the material world to play your own game, nope.

There, perhaps, are your good guyz and bad guyz, duh, man.

I ain’t got no side, but Death is a comin.

Amor Fati

It is my opinion. Nuance don't take sides. The testimony Greer collected is a real work product. As an example, Gordon Cooper, Mercury 7 Astronaut. Was he a mirage man out to tell a big UFO lie? Or did he tell a truth he witnessed? Or was he plain crazy? Greer just pointed a camera at his face and let him speak. That's documenting, not fakery. Whatever you think of Greer's credibility. Or Cooper's, by extension.

I've never met Greer or joined a CE5 campout. I don't want to. But I don't think it's beyond the realm of possibility Greer and his cohorts really do attract flying saucers. Or whatever those things are. Though, as I've said before, contact drives one nuts. Bain Dramage.

As for clarity of message, that would benefit Dan. Let's contrast Chicken Little with Dr Woo. Both have been out and about giving sermons. One has a following of millions, professionally made films to his IMDB credit, and is capable standing at a podium giving a cogent lecture with slides. Whatever you think of his content, Dr. Woo knows how to build audience.  

Whose game am I playing? My own.

What am I doing? Tilting at windmills.

What should you do? Choose a better sword. Wood sucks.

ParanoidFactoid wrote:Whatever the role of Hal, Sarfatti, and Davis, et all, one thing I can say in their favor is they've been publishing in the open peer reviewed press. It may be thirty years late. It may be wrong. And it won't be a road to perdition or salvation, but at least there's a chance some lab will test their ideas and find out if a viable technology based on them is possible. (a position I think they'd respect)

Joe Firmage's nested gyroscope approach seems a dead end before the road begins. For any number of reasons. (angular to linear momentum?!?! OK. Your money.) Not the least of which it has moving parts. Which ain't how ET flies.

With Ron, whatever secrets he knows he can't say. Therefore, what he can say can't be secret. Otherwise, as Ron wrote on this forum to 'he who cannot be named' (Voldemort!), if such secrets in his possession were at risk of dissemination, he'd have to send a CIA reclamation team to himself to be head bagged, extraordinarily rendered, and then frog marched off to that chip shredder last seen in Fargo. Whatever Ron knows to disclose can't be disclosed by him. And whatever bread crumbs Dan knows from Ron, isn't presented formally enough to test.

I don't chase classified documents. I don't poke my camera over fences into federally restricted property. I don't worm my way into safe rooms. I had the chance to apply for a clearance long ago and - at the strident advice of my father - outright refused. In life, we make choices. So I accept there's that which I won't ever know.

dan wrote:PF,

Fear not...... we will come to know everything we need or want to know.  

pf wrote:Joe Firmage's nested gyroscope approach seems a dead end before the road begins. For any number of reasons. (angular to linear momentum?!?! OK. Your money.) Not the least of which it has moving parts. Which ain't how ET flies. 

99 wrote:Ok, let's tentatively shoot for this coming Saturday ... not sure of the time yet. 

Will be using Gotomeeting.
It's easy to use but I'll post the instructions for it the day before... just in case anyone needs that.

99 wrote:

pf wrote:Joe Firmage's nested gyroscope approach seems a dead end before the road begins. For any number of reasons. (angular to linear momentum?!?! OK. Your money.) Not the least of which it has moving parts. Which ain't how ET flies. 

The "others" work with people through technology AND consciousness. That Joe and co. were able to get some kind of photographic feedback indicates to me that there is a stochastic resonance via technology (in this case, the cam) between Joe and the "others". We know that the connection between them and Joe was already there; this based on his famous encounter years ago with one which was compelling enough for him to make major life changes which I don't need to go into here as we already know about that. But back to the "others". They can communicate to the receiver about how to modify technology to produce, depending on what the objective is, better results. Many times their suggestions for different modifications to the technology that the receiver is working with may seem non-sensical within the context of modern science and physics. But that's the nature of the beast. All depends on how good the receiver is in his/her reception of information from them and if they can translate that information productively. Some are clearer receivers than others but nevertheless, whoever the receiver is, patience and perseverance are two qualities that go a long way toward success in what both parties are working toward in their collaborative effort.

Foot Mann wrote:I am certain Greer would do that for a small fee.

Foot Mann wrote:I am certain Greer would do that for a small fee.

Course Catalog wrote:Dan, were you ever a member of the old Godlike Productions forum back in the day (not the terrible shell it is now but back when Elaine owned it)?

I have a feeling Ron probably was.  

Foot Mann wrote:Humans often associate function with form, but in this case there is no correlation, for the Princess is amongst us in human form, a perfect example in an imperfect world. At the human age of four she was most defiant of the laws of this world, refusing to keep her feet upon the ground or to suppress the glow that that often surrounds her as energy flows between her worlds. With unbounded mercy she receives the Discloser as an imperfect voice of humanity. His lies, deceit, and generally disloyal behavior she accepts as indicative of the evils of humanity, perhaps the best possible example of his kind. The Foot dedicated 30 years to preparation for joining with the Princess, systematically eliminating human frailties and flaws and embracing all that is of Kashmir. Then in one moment, with a surge of energy into this world, they were bonded - a perfect blend of mercy and lethality.

dan wrote:Evidently, I did not make any progress with smelly or hobbit, on the GtM yesterday.  99 attempted to come to my defense, but she was having audio problems.  So much for BPWtv, for the time being.  

For historical reasons, the prophetic tradition has ended up defending a purely material conception of the world, with spirit reserved only for sapient creatures.  The pantheist tradition is much more sympathetic with immaterialism.  

The BPWH is caught in the no-man’s land between those two traditions.  


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Let’s hope the Princess has mercy on our impoverished souls, and particularly on mine, evidently.  



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Foot Mann wrote:Humans often associate function with form, but in this case there is no correlation, for the Princess is amongst us in human form, a perfect example in an imperfect world. At the human age of four she was most defiant of the laws of this world, refusing to keep her feet upon the ground or to suppress the glow that that often surrounds her as energy flows between her worlds. With unbounded mercy she receives the Discloser as an imperfect voice of humanity. His lies, deceit, and generally disloyal behavior she accepts as indicative of the evils of humanity, perhaps the best possible example of his kind. The Foot dedicated 30 years to preparation for joining with the Princess, systematically eliminating human frailties and flaws and embracing all that is of Kashmir. Then in one moment, with a surge of energy into this world, they were bonded - a perfect blend of mercy and lethality.

ParanoidFactoid wrote:

Foot Mann wrote:Humans often associate function with form, but in this case there is no correlation, for the Princess is amongst us in human form, a perfect example in an imperfect world. At the human age of four she was most defiant of the laws of this world, refusing to keep her feet upon the ground or to suppress the glow that that often surrounds her as energy flows between her worlds. With unbounded mercy she receives the Discloser as an imperfect voice of humanity. His lies, deceit, and generally disloyal behavior she accepts as indicative of the evils of humanity, perhaps the best possible example of his kind. The Foot dedicated 30 years to preparation for joining with the Princess, systematically eliminating human frailties and flaws and embracing all that is of Kashmir. Then in one moment, with a surge of energy into this world, they were bonded - a perfect blend of mercy and lethality.

I wish nothing but happiness for your family. But, "...a perfect blend of mercy and lethality" is just weird and creepy.