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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    First topic message reminder :

    Ok, here we go...... as I take a deep breath.......

    Well, this post will be reserved as the topical reminder.  Hopefully the discussion will last for more that one page.

    (Please keep in mind the links given in the fifth post on this thread...... https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t313-three-in-one )

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri Aug 31, 2018 4:45 pm

    ParanoidFactoid wrote:
    dan wrote:
    At the 56 minute mark of Steve Greer’s video presentation, we have the ‘scariest guy in the galaxy’, presumably the anti-christ...... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_EPLW2Ctvo&feature=youtu.be ...... hmmm..... chicken little strikes again......

    His brains are scrambled. He speaks nonsense. But then, like degrees of infinity, at least his nonsense isn't word salad. Greer's just had one too many telepathic telephone calls from the great beyond. What's that Kit says about scrambled brains? Something neurological mumble something deficit.  

    How would you know muppet?

    You post the longest word salad posts on OMF.

    Who can penetrate your dense mind, or SGs Wink

    You are not naked and thus confused.

    Any of you not naked are liars and frauds.
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    Post by ParanoidFactoid Fri Aug 31, 2018 4:51 pm

    smelly wrote:
    ParanoidFactoid wrote:
    dan wrote:
    At the 56 minute mark of Steve Greer’s video presentation, we have the ‘scariest guy in the galaxy’, presumably the anti-christ...... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_EPLW2Ctvo&feature=youtu.be ...... hmmm..... chicken little strikes again......

    His brains are scrambled. He speaks nonsense. But then, like degrees of infinity, at least his nonsense isn't word salad. Greer's just had one too many telepathic telephone calls from the great beyond. What's that Kit says about scrambled brains? Something neurological mumble something deficit.  

    How would you know muppet?

    You post the longest word salad posts on OMF.

    Who can penetrate your dense mind, or SGs Wink

    You are not naked and thus confused.

    Any of you not naked are liars and frauds.

    By his own words, Smelly!

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri Aug 31, 2018 5:02 pm

    ParanoidFactoid wrote:
    smelly wrote:
    ParanoidFactoid wrote:
    dan wrote:
    At the 56 minute mark of Steve Greer’s video presentation, we have the ‘scariest guy in the galaxy’, presumably the anti-christ...... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_EPLW2Ctvo&feature=youtu.be ...... hmmm..... chicken little strikes again......

    His brains are scrambled. He speaks nonsense. But then, like degrees of infinity, at least his nonsense isn't word salad. Greer's just had one too many telepathic telephone calls from the great beyond. What's that Kit says about scrambled brains? Something neurological mumble something deficit.  

    How would you know muppet?

    You post the longest word salad posts on OMF.

    Who can penetrate your dense mind, or SGs Wink

    You are not naked and thus confused.

    Any of you not naked are liars and frauds.

    By his own words, Smelly!


    Not even close pretender Wink

    The only similarity to our posts is that they are both in the horrible English language.

    Bahahaha

    Get naked fool.
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    Post by ParanoidFactoid Fri Aug 31, 2018 5:06 pm

    smelly wrote:Get naked fool.

    You got the wrong equipment, dude. But thanks for the offer. It's flattering.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri Aug 31, 2018 5:09 pm

    ParanoidFactoid wrote:
    smelly wrote:Get naked fool.

    You got the wrong equipment, dude. But thanks for the offer. It's flattering.

    That gay porn must be working on me.
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    Post by ParanoidFactoid Fri Aug 31, 2018 5:13 pm

    smelly wrote:
    ParanoidFactoid wrote:
    smelly wrote:Get naked fool.

    You got the wrong equipment, dude. But thanks for the offer. It's flattering.

    That gay porn must be working on me.

    Screenshot!
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri Aug 31, 2018 5:20 pm

    smelly goat loves his gay porn, get your own.

    Even better, you could take a screenshot and send it to a dude Wink

    I am glad I could lower the dialogue on OMF today.

    They are annoying as crap, but people like having goats around, or they despise them.

    We love being sent gay porn best, making progress.
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    Post by ParanoidFactoid Fri Aug 31, 2018 5:39 pm

    smelly wrote:smelly goat loves his gay porn, get your own.

    Even better, you could take a screenshot and send it to a dude Wink

    I am glad I could lower the dialogue on OMF today.

    They are annoying as crap, but people like having goats around, or they despise them.

    We love being sent gay porn best, making progress.

    I see you've found your individual way to the one. Though it explains those ... fixations. Smelly.

    Getting back to Greer. He brains be all scrambled. Telepathic communion. Dancing with flying saucers. UFO beams zap the brain. Pick one. Or all. Though maybe anabolic steroids? Naaa. He bulk to the hulk but the good doc's Zues don't come from no juice!

    Because that would be irresponsible.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri Aug 31, 2018 6:06 pm

    ParanoidFactoid wrote:
    smelly wrote:smelly goat loves his gay porn, get your own.

    Even better, you could take a screenshot and send it to a dude Wink

    I am glad I could lower the dialogue on OMF today.

    They are annoying as crap, but people like having goats around, or they despise them.

    We love being sent gay porn best, making progress.

    I see you've found your individual way to the one. Though it explains those ... fixations. Smelly.

    Getting back to Greer. He brains be all scrambled. Telepathic communion. Dancing with flying saucers. UFO beams zap the brain. Pick one. Or all. Though maybe anabolic steroids? Naaa. He bulk to the hulk but the good doc's Zues don't come from no juice!

    Because that would be irresponsible.  

    I do concur, SG is a muppet moron.

    But so are we.

    Really, can we cast stones Wink

    “He bulk to the hulk...”

    Bahahaha

    Today was worth all the gay porn to get to that gem.

    Respect, you paranoid mofo.

    No offense if any of you muppets are gay, btw, the smelly goat doesn’t care how you like to get funky.

    The weirder the better I say, but I’m a one woman goat, sorry freaks, you can’t get near this ‘rumpy pumpy’, I am goat servant of the Goddess, the real one Wink

    Terrence McKenna left you all in the dust, so you KILLED him, as you do all lights. This is why whoknows hides from the world Wink

    I introduced you all to the real Masters, but who knows who followed the bread crumbs, who carez Wink

    Oh...snap...no I didn...oh yes I did...I just got Schwifty!
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    Post by ParanoidFactoid Fri Aug 31, 2018 6:43 pm

    I'll say this in defense of Greer. He collected a vast amount of testimony from well regarded people who risked their reputations to go on the record and say incredible things. He arranged the 2001 National Press Conference on UFOs, where some remarkable testimony was made very public. And that's commendable.

    But personally, I find his CE5 initiative to be ... misguided. I think he believes in everything he does. But, as I said, I also think his brains got scrambled. And it seems there was a dramatic shift from his earlier work of documenting to his later work of 'experiencing', where I think he lost perspective.

    But that's just my opinion.
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    ParanoidFactoid wrote:I'll say this in defense of Greer. He collected a vast amount of testimony from well regarded people who risked their reputations to go on the record and say incredible things. He arranged the 2001 National Press Conference on UFOs, where some remarkable testimony was made very public. And that's commendable.

    But personally, I find his CE5 initiative to be ... misguided. I think he believes in everything he does. But, as I said, I also think his brains got scrambled. And it seems there was a dramatic shift from his earlier work of documenting to his later work of 'experiencing', where I think he lost perspective.

    But that's just my opinion.

    Yah, that is just, like, your opinion, man.

    Way to play both sidez though!

    Tell us all PF, what should we do?

    What is the RIGHT initiative?

    This is right up your alley...

    The Dude: It's all a god damn fake, man. It's like Lenin said: you look for the person who will benefit, and, uh, uh, you know...

    So who here is benefiting from Disclosure confusion?

    Who benefits from Disclosure clarity?

    Whose game are you playing?

    You think you have to be powerful in the material world to play your own game, nope.

    There, perhaps, are your good guyz and bad guyz, duh, man.

    I ain’t got no side, but Death is a comin.

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    Post by Foot Mann Fri Aug 31, 2018 7:43 pm

    Several of you have inquired whether you could submit an essay on "Joe and Kevin Ending the World" rather than "Joe and Kevin Saving the World." Please understand that is a very acceptable essay topic as ending the world may be the best hope for saving the world. Also several of you inquired as to competency of WCM to review the essays. In addition to being a US Marine with impeccable skills at what Marines are trained for, the WCM is a publish poet, playwright, and sometimes English professor. He will be reviewing for content, quality, and appropriateness for the upcoming international awards ceremony.
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    Post by ParanoidFactoid Sat Sep 01, 2018 2:59 am

    smelly wrote:
    ParanoidFactoid wrote:I'll say this in defense of Greer. He collected a vast amount of testimony from well regarded people who risked their reputations to go on the record and say incredible things. He arranged the 2001 National Press Conference on UFOs, where some remarkable testimony was made very public. And that's commendable.

    But personally, I find his CE5 initiative to be ... misguided. I think he believes in everything he does. But, as I said, I also think his brains got scrambled. And it seems there was a dramatic shift from his earlier work of documenting to his later work of 'experiencing', where I think he lost perspective.

    But that's just my opinion.

    Yah, that is just, like, your opinion, man.

    Way to play both sidez though!

    Tell us all PF, what should we do?

    What is the RIGHT initiative?

    This is right up your alley...

    The Dude: It's all a god damn fake, man. It's like Lenin said: you look for the person who will benefit, and, uh, uh, you know...

    So who here is benefiting from Disclosure confusion?

    Who benefits from Disclosure clarity?

    Whose game are you playing?

    You think you have to be powerful in the material world to play your own game, nope.

    There, perhaps, are your good guyz and bad guyz, duh, man.

    I ain’t got no side, but Death is a comin.

    Amor Fati

    It is my opinion. Nuance don't take sides. The testimony Greer collected is a real work product. As an example, Gordon Cooper, Mercury 7 Astronaut. Was he a mirage man out to tell a big UFO lie? Or did he tell a truth he witnessed? Or was he plain crazy? Greer just pointed a camera at his face and let him speak. That's documenting, not fakery. Whatever you think of Greer's credibility. Or Cooper's, by extension.

    I've never met Greer or joined a CE5 campout. I don't want to. But I don't think it's beyond the realm of possibility Greer and his cohorts really do attract flying saucers. Or whatever those things are. Though, as I've said before, contact drives one nuts. Bain Dramage.

    As for clarity of message, that would benefit Dan. Let's contrast Chicken Little with Dr Woo. Both have been out and about giving sermons. One has a following of millions, professionally made films to his IMDB credit, and is capable standing at a podium giving a cogent lecture with slides. Whatever you think of his content, Dr. Woo knows how to build audience.  

    Whose game am I playing? My own.

    What am I doing? Tilting at windmills.

    What should you do? Choose a better sword. Wood sucks.
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    Post by ParanoidFactoid Sat Sep 01, 2018 3:26 am

    Foot Mann wrote:Several of you have inquired whether you could submit an essay on "Joe and Kevin Ending the World" rather than "Joe and Kevin Saving the World." Please understand that is a very acceptable essay topic as ending the world may be the best hope for saving the world. Also several of you inquired as to competency of WCM to review the essays. In addition to being a US Marine with impeccable skills at what Marines are trained for, the WCM is a publish poet, playwright, and sometimes English professor. He will be reviewing for content, quality, and appropriateness for the upcoming international awards ceremony.

    Ron, can I write on the subject "Joe and Kevin burn through capital faster than a hooker with a habit, and will likely end up with as little to show when all is done and quietly unsaid?"

    I know. It's a bit long. Sorry.

    I'm putting my bets on Puthoff, Bigelow, and the pet Mock Rusician.
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    Post by dan Sat Sep 01, 2018 4:41 am

    PF,

    I don’t know that Hal is even in the game.  

    donny, otoh, in his dotage, may be getting religion, of an eschatological variety.

    The portal in Mexico may be secure.


    (cont......)
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    Post by ParanoidFactoid Sat Sep 01, 2018 5:00 am

    dan wrote:PF,

    I don’t know that Hal is even in the game.  

    donny, otoh, in his dotage, may be getting religion, of an eschatological variety.  

    Hal's was on stage at the 2018 SSE conference giving a talk. He's written papers as recently as 2012. And Davis wrote a paper last year:

    https://arxiv.org/abs/1806.01269

    Though Hal is getting on in years and might want to take it easy. Wouldn't blame him.
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    Post by dan Sat Sep 01, 2018 6:39 am

    I’m just saying that Hal was never in the game.  He had, or was given, a different agenda.  donny, however, may be getting back in the game, as he considers his end game.

    There are actors, and then there are actors. All the world is a stage.


    (cont.......)
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    Post by ParanoidFactoid Sat Sep 01, 2018 7:41 am

    dan wrote:I’m just saying that Hal was never in the game.  He had, or was given, a different agenda.  donny, however, may be getting back in the game, as he considers his end game.

    There are actors, and then there are actors.  All the world is a stage.  


    (cont.......)

    Which game is that? And who's got dat game? Though I don't think Hal's playing much b-ball these days.

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    Post by dan Sat Sep 01, 2018 8:03 am

    The Disclosure game is going to be as exciting as watching the grass grow.  R,A&D have the game.  Others, such as donny, may play through, as they choose.

    Hal’s job may have been to act as side show at the wishing well. Allow others to follow their desires into the Disclosure jungle..... a bridge to nowhere.


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    PF wrote:As for clarity of message, that would benefit Dan. Let's contrast Chicken Little with Dr Woo.
    in Chicken Little's defense...

    Hold on there amigo, how many yardbirds are there out there, of which Chicken Little is one of em, who strangely knows the results of any cockfight he's going to fight in beforehand and then ends up laughing all the way to the bank after collecting on those bets? Ethically challenged? I think not... smart as a whip? You got it!  And here we're talking about a species of bird that has been totally decimated by Col. Sanders... yet somehow Chicken Little still thrives even though he's been up against remarkable odds. And why is that? It's because he's always ahead of the game, BIG TIME!  He's one tough poultry, let me tell you... and don't YOU ferget it! Dr. Woo? What a joke!
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    Turning and turning
    Within the widening gyre
    The falcon cannot hear the falconer
    Things fall apart
    The center cannot hold
    And a blood dimmed tide
    Is loosed upon the world
    Nothing is sacred
    The ceremony sinks
    Innocence is drowned
    In anarchy
    The best lack conviction
    Given some time to think
    And the worst are full of passion
    Without mercy
    Surely some revelation is at hand
    Surely it's the second coming
    And the wrath has finally taken form
    For what is this rough beast
    Its hour come at last
    Slouching towards Bethlehem to be born
    Slouching towards Bethlehem to be born
    Hoping and hoping
    As if by my weak faith
    The spirit of this world
    Would heal and rise
    Vast are the shadows
    That straddle and strafe
    And struggle in the darkness
    Troubling my eyes
    Shaped like a lion
    It has the head of a man
    With a gaze as blank
    And pitiless as the sun
    And it's moving its slow thighs
    Across the desert sands
    Through dark indignant
    Reeling falcons
    Surely some revelation is at hand
    Surely it's the second coming
    And the wrath has finally taken form
    For what is this rough beast
    Its hour come at last
    Slouching towards Bethlehem to be born
    Slouching towards Bethlehem to be born
    Raging and raging
    It rises from the deep
    Opening its eyes
    After twenty centuries
    Vexed to a nightmare
    Out of a stony sleep
    By a rocking cradle
    By the Sea of Galilee
    Surely some revelation is at hand
    Surely it's the second coming
    And the wrath has finally taken form
    For what is this rough beast
    Its hour come at last
    Slouching towards Bethlehem to be born
    Slouching towards Bethlehem to be born
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    Post by dan Sat Sep 01, 2018 9:39 am

    Aliyah is the one who is smart as a whip and cute as a button...... something for Kashmir to live up to.  

    Me......?  Well, I choose my opposition wisely.


    wk,

    She’s coming back and she’s p*ssed.


    Foot and I are on opposite sides of the abortion issue, for instance. Ebola is a better solution than the slaughter of innocents.

    Me.......? I’m holding out for something much more boring...... free access to her Majesty’s realm, and continued decline of fertility.



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    Post by whoknows Sat Sep 01, 2018 9:51 am

    I don't believe you. no one is as smart as they or anyone think they are. That's plain hubris.

    Fascist just don't appeal to me.
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    Post by whoknows Sat Sep 01, 2018 10:10 am

    BTW you wing nuts will probably see this post as gay porn... Please ban me to..

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    Post by dan Sat Sep 01, 2018 10:16 am

    wk,

    I overheard janey g ask someone if they had met the Princess, who was standing a few yards away.  I did a double take, and then understood.  I’m not sure you understand.

    We are dealing with personhood. Persons..... we can’t live with them and we can’t live without them.



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