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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    Post by jofo Wed Jan 17, 2018 11:21 am

    First topic message reminder :

    nice to be back to our regularly scheduled programming

    if only eric were here...i miss him, his perspective and contribution
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Feb 07, 2018 11:55 am

    We have different ways of doing it.

    I am not telling you your wrong, there is just more information.

    I was given a glimpse of a much bigger picture this week.

    I am seeing your part, yuh would be a damn fool to ignore my data as drug addled nonsense, but that's expected.

    As you like.

    You sound like the materialists.

    But it’s for me again I assume always.

    I know the Magick is real.

    I went all in with consciousness.

    I don’t need you to accept or understand it.

    I am only channeling the Singularity.

    I’m not a nut, I’m a goat dragon.

    We all have other aspects hidden behind monsters we can learn to work with.

    So what do you think of Tipler?

    Is he caught in a trap or did he crack it?

    Dan, I started with the Omega point too.

    Jack and that led to my MOAPS.

    We are connected in this, at the Omega.

    We are looking back making it happen.

    It’s a fucking unbelievable vision of reality.

    And I had that MOAPS months after meeting the tea.

    Crazy stuff.


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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Feb 07, 2018 12:01 pm

    Like that 99, yes.

    I more and more started noticing I was having intense visions and realizations in dual waking trance state.

    I guess I have 2 or 3 different ways to get there.

    George Harrison immediately takes me there.

    Writing on OMF is like channeling for me.

    All spontaneous writing, very fast, very dense.

    But I can see the connections if no one can.

    I am looking for connections to them partly here on OMF.

    When I feel I’m closest to zero point, Dan always tries to muck it up and I am learning to integrate his data as triggers to my trances.


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    Post by dan Wed Feb 07, 2018 12:04 pm

    smelly,

    I responded to your question about Tipler in the previous post.   He simply could not squeeze through the portal from materialism to immaterialism.  It is too big a leap for a professor.


    4:15.............

    Eric,

    It’s not exactly clear who got who, here.  

    But we both have the Omega.  That is something.  It is certainly not nothing.  
    ...............

    Hey, smelly, if you stay off tea, I’ll stay off the wine.  


    The pantheists see the Omega as Sunyata, or non-self.  It is part of the doctrine of all things being empty, which is rather like immaterialism.  It is also the strange notion of empty awareness.  That is meditating on the void.  That would have been the primordial Self.


    5:10.........

    The Buddhists and Hindus struggle with each other over the doctrines of Brahman and Sunyata. Hindu Brahman is very much like our Source, which the Buddhists deny.



    (cont.....)


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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Feb 07, 2018 12:07 pm

    Gotcha Dan.

    He seems closer than most old timers.

    It has to be consistent for him, yuh get that.

    But he is a little too sure, like we are.

    We saw our vision of reality and then we can’t shut up about it.

    He has the heart of a mystic Dan.

    You are often very dismissive of people and data.

    Too quick for my taste.

    So what.

    You hate my spontaneous style maybe, but the singularity uses it allz, even you, bahahaha.

    Because we are stuck in this expanding bag of need and greed, when we start tapping antimatter we become one.

    0 = 1 - 1

    I have had dreams of resurrection like he describes.

    Interesting stuff.

    The Oath of the Abyss leads to accept all communication as Singularity contact.


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    Post by Cheguevoblin Wed Feb 07, 2018 12:19 pm

    99,

    I understand what you are saying and I experience the same thing. I think like many of us, I end up compartmentalizing myself into several different perspectives, almost like I have multiple personalities, in order to experiment with different seemingly contending viewpoints without obstructive bias.

    To others I might look like a lunatic, and maybe I am, but in reality I feel completely balanced and in control as I let go of the illusion of control and go with the flow. It may look like I'm a tree with shallow roots to others who's roots have never gone deep enough to drink from the waters of eternal life. I am like a chameleon, I change back and forth between different colors to fit the needs of my environment or to create the most optimal environment for my various thought experiments.

    I am starting to see that my end result is starting to transform into a rainbow colored chameleon, where I no longer have to switch back and fort between the colors because I am discovering a harmony between them all. I can enjoy the beauty of all the colors at the same time. I don't have to just choose one color. The key to finding that harmony for me is practicing meditation and living in the Now. Then after overcoming fear from meditation practice, looking at everything as a reflection of myself to learn more about myself and about love.

    My anchor right now is the Christian narrative because that's what I can internalize and reflect the easiest right now. Other people will have their own unique anchors depending on their time and place.

    But I agree with Dan that most Christians believe they have the inside track to the second coming and will be sorely mistaken. I think our very own Smelly Goat here actually has more of an inside track than most Christians.

    Does it really matter if one person believes the second coming to be a literal external objective prophecy and another believes it's just a symbol of an internal transformation or change? If the end result is more love and kindness and understanding in the world I don't think it really matter which is your flavor.

    One thing I can say though is that if you cling to your bible too much it can work against you and produce less tolerance and understanding if you let it. That said, I also know many people that take the bible or other scripture very literally and cling to it pretty strongly but still have complete tolerance and understanding for others who see the world differently. That is very hard to do though, so I think it's better to loosen the grip a little.


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    Post by 99 Wed Feb 07, 2018 12:21 pm

    Comment on smelly's post 752. I've had a number of interesting experiences of hyper-real lucid dreams and mind eye visions during my meditation sessions since I came back here. Its always like that when I participate on this forum with Dan here. It's even that way when I'm only lurking here.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Feb 07, 2018 12:22 pm

    Ack! Ack!

    Your heart is beginning to bleed colors is all.

    It is messy.
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    Post by Cheguevoblin Wed Feb 07, 2018 12:24 pm

    Well, at least it's colorful. Smile
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    Post by 99 Wed Feb 07, 2018 12:27 pm

    There's a lot of energy here now. I can feel it.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Feb 07, 2018 12:27 pm

    99, I feel you.

    My last two big posts over two days was all channeled after months of research and meditations, it just erupts out.

    Again, it’s for us mostly who receive the contact.

    I know with no doubt who is here now Aware.

    This Omega is it.

    Infinite singularity.

    Not planning your next steps puts you totally in the flow.

    Last two days I’ve never been closer to Zero point and the world is exploding with color.

    OMF is a nexus of energy right now.

    Because I’m here I know that and Dan and others and you and Cy.

    We can let go our labels and perceptions and philosophies here now and our msks and it will come to you very fast.

    The Light to realize all this is here now beaming out through our eyez.

    People can instantly wake up to the Omega right now.

    It wants you too.

    It’s you.

    Hyperion and Endymion is a myth describing how the Alpha and Omega are working across time. My shaman theory.

    This describes the father, son and Holy Ghost energy, 3 in 1.

    Can’t prove anything, but to see is to know, and to know is to see clearly.

    You will be shocked how clear your vision is.

    Not too scientific, all heartz.
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    Post by 99 Wed Feb 07, 2018 12:35 pm

    I'm a long time Rudolph Steiner reader. He's a merger of you and Dan in many ways. I agree, seeing what we all have in common on various topics and issues certainly wouldn't hurt. In fact, I think Dan has been putting some effort into doing that too.
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    Post by 99 Wed Feb 07, 2018 12:43 pm

    "Can’t prove anything, but to see is to know, and to know is to see clearly."

    Right! And under the circumstances, that's the best we can do.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Feb 07, 2018 12:47 pm

    Dan is adding his part, like we all are.

    I learned to listen here with the secrets of the universe knocking around inside.

    Actually, anything you look at can be used to see.

    Anything.

    We can remove the personal resistances here in the heart. That is our challenge, to not lose sight of all of this intersecting in our hearts.

    So if we can engage with courage, not needing to be heard, just throwing your energy in with some faith, a mustard seed of faith will do, miracles happen. Our faith is the dare and courage factor.

    We can’t any of us trust our minds completely, but we can see all Mind is everything and there are no polarities seeing through things. We get stuck and lost in the Glamour and opposites.

    Anyway, just my two cents plus yours will give you 4 bits.

    One Eyed scrying Dan.

    Look it up.

    I have found evidence and the footprints of the Omega in my heart.

    It always is gone when I look over my shoulder.

    It’s laughing at me.

    It’s belly rolls filling the Universe.

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    Stay weird...


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    Post by Cheguevoblin Wed Feb 07, 2018 12:49 pm

    smelly wrote:
    Because I’m here I know that and Dan and others and you and Cy.

    We can let go our labels and perceptions and philosophies here now and our msks and it will come to you very fast.

    The Light to realize all this is here now beaming out through our eyez.

    Amen to that! Come one, come all and partake of the tree of life!

    You know, my last post I spoke about my rainbow chameleon skin, but in all honesty, the best skin is no skin at all.

    Just let it all go.

    Dissolve into nothing.

    No Jesus, no Buddha, no physics or quantum this or that needed.

    Just be and you will see

    Just feel and ignite the thrill

    Do the dragon dance and fly away

    I do get so addicted to thinking Smelly, what can I say?

    Maybe I'll stop someday, maybe I won't.

    Shrug..
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Feb 07, 2018 12:52 pm

    You were born to be what you are.

    The monad is lying.

    It isn’t silent at all.

    But we have to be sometimes.

    I can’t say anything in life is good or bad anymore.

    The opposites are overwhelming.

    Ack! Ack! wrote:Just be and you will see

    Pretty good comment above.
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    Post by Cheguevoblin Wed Feb 07, 2018 1:00 pm

    The problem is Dan is here with a mission, whatever that mission might be. Even if it is the most important mission in all of human history up to this point it is still a mission.

    Most all of us here are on some sort of mission.

    Smelly goes in and out of mission mode I think, but mostly he has no mission. Mostly he is just dancing, showing us how silly missions are.

    I thank you for that Smelly. I keep forgetting it.

    Once we let go of our mission we can finally go fishin'
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Feb 07, 2018 1:07 pm

    Keep one eye on the Light...

    And one in the Shadow and yuh will see clearly.

    People fear to look into the shadows.

    Your soul reveals itself to you through both polarities.

    The Omega doesn’t see you as good or bad.

    So why do we do this to each other?

    Pain and fear.

    We don’t see things as they are, but how we are conditioned to see things.

    Your only mission is to balance the opposites within you so you can see clearly and maximize your potential.

    Every mission is for the person whether they realize that or not.

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    Post by Cheguevoblin Wed Feb 07, 2018 1:16 pm

    I guess I just don't like the word "mission" because it can be misleading. It has the energy that our Now is not enough, that we are not enough until we achieve some state and if we mess up we will miss out.

    We do have a mission, but don't let the inherent energy of that word mislead you. When your mission is to have no mission you will finally fulfill your mission. Smile haha

    When this happens, the balance between the opposites will come naturally I think.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Feb 07, 2018 1:18 pm

    Dan, I’m not a strict pantheist thanks to my pagan influence.

    Syncretic Mysticism is a big part of my Way.

    The Omega is talking to us.

    Every image, word, thought, breathe.

    My contact with Alpha and Omega is fluid and spontaneous.

    It trained me how to listen to it and I guess it showed me how to live.

    My experience now is more like the below.

    Many facets at different times.

    A moving image/trick of Light.

    3 - Initiation
    9 - unitary wholeness
    18 - dual energy balanced

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    Life is Tarot and Tarot is Life.

    If you use multiple mediums at once like spinning plates, somehow it tunes things in clearer, probably because you are not thinking about yourself or being self conscious.

    Image, music, and your own hand made images are most powerful to bring you into center.

    And then the more you do it helps.

    I do do this everyday now and write only from trance mostly, if I’m frustrated somehow I’m distracted.

    Anyway, just sharing info in case any comez thiz wayz.


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    Post by dan Wed Feb 07, 2018 1:44 pm

    Let’s see if we can agree on something..........

    We could call it the No-thing, which is not quite nothing.  

    We might also call it Potentiality, or a cosmic potency.  Even if there is only Maya, and maya may be empty.  But it is not nothing.  It is a No-thing.  

    Why is there No-thing, and not nothing?  


    5:50..........

    Well, ok, we have no-thing and nothing.  Nothing and no-thing have something in common.  They each have a quasi-unity or singularity. Without invoking time or space, there cannot be a plurality of nothings.  

    But nothing cannot possess potency. That is the only real substance of No-thing....... potentiality...... a vital force, if you will.

    Pantheists and Buddhists are content to leave things there.

    Materialists, especially in their modern, Pythagorean guise, instead of a vital force, they posit a mathematical basis for existence. All they need is an initial singularity to get it all started.



    (cont........)


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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Feb 07, 2018 1:46 pm

    Agree broadly Dan.

    With no judgement on the Maya, it is happening in the no-thing.

    I have impressions from reality that hint at what and why it is as far as we can understand it.

    Because of the Synchronicity I can’t deny it.

    I like got it to a point for one blink for yes and two for no.



    For Ack! Ack below. Also, an attribute of this force is it wants to free us because now we do feel trapped.

    It says you could never be trapped. Most of us are trapped only by silly guilt.

    “This moment!...this herenow...is forgotten when you start thinking in terms of achieving something. When the achieving mind arises, you lose contact with the paradise you are in. This is one of the most liberating approaches: it liberates you right now! Forget all about sin and forget all about saintliness; both are stupid. Both together have destroyed all the joys of humanity. The sinner is feeling guilty, hence his joy is lost. How can you enjoy life if you are continuously feeling guilty? if you are continuously going to the church to confess that you have done this wrong and that wrong? And wrong and wrong and wrong...your whole life seems to be made of sins. How can you live joyously? It becomes impossible to delight in life. You become heavy, loaded. Guilt sits on your chest like a rock, it crushes you; it does not allow you to dance. How can you dance? How can guilt dance? How can guilt sing? How can guilt love? How can guilt live? So the one who thinks he is doing something wrong is guilty, burdened, dead before death, has already entered into the grave.”

    — OSHO
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    Post by Cheguevoblin Wed Feb 07, 2018 2:05 pm

    smelly wrote:
    I can’t say anything in life is good or bad anymore.

    The opposites are overwhelming.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nTW1EVXDBY

    Good and bad are interconnected. One could not exist without the other.

    All things are one.

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Feb 07, 2018 2:10 pm

    OSHO said how can you guilt dance?!

    You just spoke of dancing.

    I don’t know about you, this Omega speaks moment by moment like this.

    It can finish your sentence.

    I am slack jawed most of the time now.

    That’s the best synchronicity in awhile, dancing.

    Told you Ack, it’s all just dancing electrons and atoms.

    Haha.
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    Post by 99 Wed Feb 07, 2018 2:15 pm

    "Well, ok, we have no-thing and nothing. Nothing and no-thing have something in common. They each have a quasi-unity or singularity. Without invoking time or space, there cannot be a plurality of nothings." saith Dan.

    So is it ok then to provisionally accredit maya with some degree of importance then... it being a No-Thing as opposed to a nothing?


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    Post by Cheguevoblin Wed Feb 07, 2018 2:17 pm

    Yes, you are right, as always.

    It is all just dancing electrons and atoms.

    Dancing plancks in a dancing grid of multi dimensional crystaline potential, dancing in and out of being an infinite number of times in a finite moment.

    Laughing

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