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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?
Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin
With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.
Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.
So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?
And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?
Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.
Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.
So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?
And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?
Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.
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Hello, Cy, OMF II - Part 2
jofo- Senior Member
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dan- Special Guest
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Join date : 2012-04-25
Location : Baltimore
Eric was getting to be more trouble than he was worth.
This is supposed to be about Disclosure. Eric was opposed to Disclosure.
There are two conflicting Disclosure agendas......
1.) the free energy agenda
2.) the free love agenda
Guess which side I’m on, sports fans?
4..........
I’m thinking that we’re almost good to go.........
By next week, we should have been able to take over the disclosure movement ........
IOW, #2 agenda will have swallowed #1. It’s that simple sports fans.
Basically, we will have explained the BPW to Chèvre man, and he can explain it to the world, by going with Kevin to Bohemian Grove next week. That will be all she wrote. No? Wanna bet.....?
Wanna bet, smelly?
(cont.......)
This is supposed to be about Disclosure. Eric was opposed to Disclosure.
There are two conflicting Disclosure agendas......
1.) the free energy agenda
2.) the free love agenda
Guess which side I’m on, sports fans?
4..........
I’m thinking that we’re almost good to go.........
By next week, we should have been able to take over the disclosure movement ........
IOW, #2 agenda will have swallowed #1. It’s that simple sports fans.
Basically, we will have explained the BPW to Chèvre man, and he can explain it to the world, by going with Kevin to Bohemian Grove next week. That will be all she wrote. No? Wanna bet.....?
Wanna bet, smelly?
(cont.......)
Post Eschaton Punk- Heritage Contributor
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Join date : 2018-01-18
Location : Here
I miss you guys too.
I had to clarify the moron.
I believe nothing, so the moron is correct.
I only Disclose the Self and the only magic needed to meet Self is to love from your heart where you are.
You followed your mission in your life and lost your soul, LIFE FAIL!
Screw the world, save yourself, ignore the morons.
I do what comes naturally, spontaneously, from the heart.
I am not nice on Earth, here, I am a trickster, sweet and tart.
But I am kind and generous and cut like a knife if you get too close.
I am the King of the Wood, or his Knight, we go back and forth now.
I won life, and the prize is right here, now.
I ripped some people's masks off, my great friend OSHO says don't do that, but go ahead if they need it.
I fucking ripped the mask off Disclosure. I sniffed Dan out and the lie, I called bullshitz, walk the talk, Shrug, so what, ha.
It was a fun game.
No apologies here, suck it up buttercups.
I worship the Goddess alone on Earth, in all Her forms, the matronly must come forth in the male to come alive.
My kindness to you all and to Dan was to share my Awareness, because it was what was needed.
Nice people are liars telling you what you want to hear, the kind tell you like it is and bring you what you need, because they have it to give. I have an inexhaustible source of Joy and energy, get some.
If Dan thinks one as myself is of no value, then he shows he is the biggest moron on the planet.
He is a fool, and when he falls off the cliff, it will kill him.
I can fly.
All who come here, turn within yourself and when you don't care about Dan or Disclosure, you are done, you graduate.
The Goddess gives no answers, she doesn't have to, and we shall return to Her, every one.
Now that is a myth and words, its beyond all concepts and thought.
So no one knows anything really, morons.
It is a small world.
It is the best it can be in time, but I don't live in time and neither should you.
Listen to hobbit, your hairy footed friend.
And jofo, with you, I feel my heart surge with the love of Brother.
Doug, shine on, well met.
I cannot abide the conspiracy lunacy here.
Frankly, I think people espousing conspiracy everywhere are not well.
Synchronicity is the key and lets you know Source is moving, but you can only find it in the flow.
You be the judge who you feel is in the flow here. If you stay close to them, you will find the flow inside you too and Synchronicity will rule your life, as it does mine, but Synchronicity doesn't have a convo with you, it shocks you and twists you spontaneously and says look now, here, look now, here, look now.
Go go go!
That's why I am the Knight/King, because I know the secret of the universe, intuitive, and that it is all only happening outside of time.
It only works because there is only Now and one moment always happening for eternity and its all connected. Follow the lines and find the vortexes. Then go there the gateless gate of the Heart and that is only possible because we exists as synapses in the mind of God in a sea of Love.
It takes a little itty bitty bit of faith and lots of courage.
Then your mind calculates the probabilities and then you, go and act as I do.
My struggle here was for control, well, I have no control and I am blissfully fine with that.
I am 3+6 Kinds of Naked before the world.
As Joyce, I feel history is a nightmare I struggle to awake from, Dan wants to put me back to sleep.
Nope, the DNA has been changed.
What power could the state have over a God who has become aware of its mask? The sleeper awakens all over
It's already done, don't fight it, just dissolve.
It's all already done all around the earth, we evolve, bye bye politicos!
Conspiracy is a honey pot trap for the lost.
In fact, the secret in life is to follow your bliss, here and now. So if you are waiting for that train up in the sky, you are done, you failed, moron.
When the creation gets too far from its divine source of Love, Spontaneity comes back to set things straight to counter the illusion of Total control, morons.
Love is the only reality, no defenses or excuses, dissolve your Disclosure into Love, morons.
We all met for a reason.
We thought are the only ones to see its meaning. The meaning only exists for us now at our resolution.
The Hive may be a self regulating Dream process, I don't know or fucking frankly care, morons, I and my kind are the Trump card.
I always win
Haha.
The world is full of shit right now, but I AM not.
Fuck you Dan and your loser posse and your weak ass magic.
You can never overcome my heart magic, ever.
The Goddess is directly guiding me and giving me energy through her great sex magic, she is hot, like the hottest thing I have ever seen or tasted.
Get 9 kinds of naked and you can meet her, morons.
You know what you do when you see no-thing, you smile.
Never know when you might see or feel me around, I'm everywhere in my heart, join me.
I have played my Trump card!
MORONS!
Only one way out of the Ninth circle of Hell.
Who knows the secret?
https:// en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Golden_Bough/The_King_of_the_Wood
The Smelly Goat
I had to clarify the moron.
I believe nothing, so the moron is correct.
I only Disclose the Self and the only magic needed to meet Self is to love from your heart where you are.
You followed your mission in your life and lost your soul, LIFE FAIL!
Screw the world, save yourself, ignore the morons.
I do what comes naturally, spontaneously, from the heart.
I am not nice on Earth, here, I am a trickster, sweet and tart.
But I am kind and generous and cut like a knife if you get too close.
I am the King of the Wood, or his Knight, we go back and forth now.
I won life, and the prize is right here, now.
I ripped some people's masks off, my great friend OSHO says don't do that, but go ahead if they need it.
I fucking ripped the mask off Disclosure. I sniffed Dan out and the lie, I called bullshitz, walk the talk, Shrug, so what, ha.
It was a fun game.
No apologies here, suck it up buttercups.
I worship the Goddess alone on Earth, in all Her forms, the matronly must come forth in the male to come alive.
My kindness to you all and to Dan was to share my Awareness, because it was what was needed.
Nice people are liars telling you what you want to hear, the kind tell you like it is and bring you what you need, because they have it to give. I have an inexhaustible source of Joy and energy, get some.
If Dan thinks one as myself is of no value, then he shows he is the biggest moron on the planet.
He is a fool, and when he falls off the cliff, it will kill him.
I can fly.
All who come here, turn within yourself and when you don't care about Dan or Disclosure, you are done, you graduate.
The Goddess gives no answers, she doesn't have to, and we shall return to Her, every one.
Now that is a myth and words, its beyond all concepts and thought.
So no one knows anything really, morons.
It is a small world.
It is the best it can be in time, but I don't live in time and neither should you.
Listen to hobbit, your hairy footed friend.
And jofo, with you, I feel my heart surge with the love of Brother.
Doug, shine on, well met.
I cannot abide the conspiracy lunacy here.
Frankly, I think people espousing conspiracy everywhere are not well.
Synchronicity is the key and lets you know Source is moving, but you can only find it in the flow.
You be the judge who you feel is in the flow here. If you stay close to them, you will find the flow inside you too and Synchronicity will rule your life, as it does mine, but Synchronicity doesn't have a convo with you, it shocks you and twists you spontaneously and says look now, here, look now, here, look now.
Go go go!
That's why I am the Knight/King, because I know the secret of the universe, intuitive, and that it is all only happening outside of time.
It only works because there is only Now and one moment always happening for eternity and its all connected. Follow the lines and find the vortexes. Then go there the gateless gate of the Heart and that is only possible because we exists as synapses in the mind of God in a sea of Love.
It takes a little itty bitty bit of faith and lots of courage.
Then your mind calculates the probabilities and then you, go and act as I do.
My struggle here was for control, well, I have no control and I am blissfully fine with that.
I am 3+6 Kinds of Naked before the world.
As Joyce, I feel history is a nightmare I struggle to awake from, Dan wants to put me back to sleep.
Nope, the DNA has been changed.
What power could the state have over a God who has become aware of its mask? The sleeper awakens all over
It's already done, don't fight it, just dissolve.It's all already done all around the earth, we evolve, bye bye politicos!
Conspiracy is a honey pot trap for the lost.
In fact, the secret in life is to follow your bliss, here and now. So if you are waiting for that train up in the sky, you are done, you failed, moron.
When the creation gets too far from its divine source of Love, Spontaneity comes back to set things straight to counter the illusion of Total control, morons.
Love is the only reality, no defenses or excuses, dissolve your Disclosure into Love, morons.
We all met for a reason.
We thought are the only ones to see its meaning. The meaning only exists for us now at our resolution.
The Hive may be a self regulating Dream process, I don't know or fucking frankly care, morons, I and my kind are the Trump card.
I always win
Haha.
The world is full of shit right now, but I AM not.
Fuck you Dan and your loser posse and your weak ass magic.
You can never overcome my heart magic, ever.
The Goddess is directly guiding me and giving me energy through her great sex magic, she is hot, like the hottest thing I have ever seen or tasted.
Get 9 kinds of naked and you can meet her, morons.
You know what you do when you see no-thing, you smile.
Never know when you might see or feel me around, I'm everywhere in my heart, join me.
I have played my Trump card!
MORONS!
Only one way out of the Ninth circle of Hell.
Who knows the secret?
https:// en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Golden_Bough/The_King_of_the_Wood
The Smelly Goat
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Smelly king or knight?
Be wary the goddess takes no prisoners.
http://www.historic-uk.com/CultureUK/The-Rollright-Stones/
The flow passes close by the king stone, and flows out of the whispering knights.
She is radiant white, and pure love.
3,6,9, the goose drank wine, and to know the secret of 3,6,9 means to be at one with Her, as Tesla was.
She resides in geometry, and is pleased to meet those who can detect Her.
hobbit
Be wary the goddess takes no prisoners.
http://www.historic-uk.com/CultureUK/The-Rollright-Stones/
The flow passes close by the king stone, and flows out of the whispering knights.
She is radiant white, and pure love.
3,6,9, the goose drank wine, and to know the secret of 3,6,9 means to be at one with Her, as Tesla was.
She resides in geometry, and is pleased to meet those who can detect Her.
hobbit
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Join date : 2017-08-04
Just in case anyone wonders what I look like, as a hobbit....
http://www.cotswoldlife.co.uk/out-about/places/cotswold-town-shipston-on-stour-1-4409640
I have an antique shop.
Mother Shipton and myself go back a long time, to Knaresborough in Yorkshire, I am from the shires, and met her in Her well there.
http://www.mothershipton.co.uk/
Hobbit
http://www.cotswoldlife.co.uk/out-about/places/cotswold-town-shipston-on-stour-1-4409640
I have an antique shop.
Mother Shipton and myself go back a long time, to Knaresborough in Yorkshire, I am from the shires, and met her in Her well there.
http://www.mothershipton.co.uk/
Hobbit
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Join date : 2018-01-18
Location : Here
I'm not back, I just had to answer the moron and give my soul brother hobbit a hug.
hobbit, you are a lovely soul, I really feel you and I'm going to visit your shop someday soon.
I cant explain, but the other day, all in the same day:
I jumped off the cliff
And gave up the illusion of control
Then somehow I grabbed the golden bough
I found my innocence again
Seeing spontaneously I was whole
Then the Dr. told me I could have cancer and he would be sure if I was 70, but I am only 46. So we test, but I won't fight. If the Universe wants me, who am I to argue.
Then on the way home...
I was smiling...amazed...serene...ready to go anytime...tested and proved sound.
Dan can be sure, he and I shall have no more words.
And as for you soul deniers, well, I'm here to say, you have no idea how to eat hay.
There ain't no fun if there ain't no drama, and guess what, the world is full of morons, it must be magic.
If you don't hear from me again, I'm dead, always was. I was prepared to die, as you will be, but maybe I stick around for awhile, like a smelly goat will do.
Memento Mori, Amor Fati
--
I will honor the desire of Cy and Dan, please let me be and let me go.
Dan, don't attack me with my back turned. I'll cut your head off.
I wish you all well and great fortune.
I have nothing to add to the conversation here and I certainly have no part in Dan's mission.
For those that care, don't waste my time: garzparz at gmail.com
Peace.
hobbit, you are a lovely soul, I really feel you and I'm going to visit your shop someday soon.
I cant explain, but the other day, all in the same day:
I jumped off the cliff
And gave up the illusion of control
Then somehow I grabbed the golden bough
I found my innocence again
Seeing spontaneously I was whole
Then the Dr. told me I could have cancer and he would be sure if I was 70, but I am only 46. So we test, but I won't fight. If the Universe wants me, who am I to argue.
Then on the way home...
I was smiling...amazed...serene...ready to go anytime...tested and proved sound.
Dan can be sure, he and I shall have no more words.
And as for you soul deniers, well, I'm here to say, you have no idea how to eat hay.
There ain't no fun if there ain't no drama, and guess what, the world is full of morons, it must be magic.
If you don't hear from me again, I'm dead, always was. I was prepared to die, as you will be, but maybe I stick around for awhile, like a smelly goat will do.
Memento Mori, Amor Fati
--
I will honor the desire of Cy and Dan, please let me be and let me go.
Dan, don't attack me with my back turned. I'll cut your head off.
I wish you all well and great fortune.
I have nothing to add to the conversation here and I certainly have no part in Dan's mission.
For those that care, don't waste my time: garzparz at gmail.com
Peace.
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Time to let the Spear wander, while those at higher levels ponder, where to send the eternal rage, when the Spear rattles within the cage. Is it Moroni who calls to battle, or is it the Meerkat who shakes the rattle. The Spear and the Scribe as one will rub, sliding into the Bohemian Club.
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Age : 54
Location : Montana
Smelly wrote:I will honor the desire of Cy and Dan, please let me be and let me go.
Don't put words in my mouth Eric. I never told you to leave. Nor did Dan. He asked you to minimize. I echoed it and then you turned snotty.
-- I did tell you all Smelly would be back, at least if you peeked at my blog you'd have seen that comment.
Carry on. I have bigger fish to fry else where all. The Morrigan & Babh see all, hear all, crows eat owls for lunch. Or is it 'space to surface missle platform'????
Unless of course you're into using virtual reality environments to share private info ....OWL https://oit.rice.edu/owl-space
two birds one stone.
****
Now see I just dangled two pieces of Disclosure in front of you all who crave disclosure...
(what will they do with their set of the keys?)
_________________
"This is an indeterminite problem. How shall I solve it? Pessimistically? Or optimistically? Or a range of probabilities expressed as a curve, or several curves?..........Well.....we're Loonies. Loonies bet. Hell, we have to! They shipped us up and bet us we couldn't stay alive. We fooled 'em. We'll fool 'em again!" Robert Heinlein, The Moon is a Harsh Mistress.
Rue she said Protection
Rooster's Crow Confusion
One thing else to end the deed --
A dog with no Illusion.
~ Walter Wangerin Jr., Book of the Dun Cow
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Fair enough Cy.
This was just the showdown between Dan and I, determinism vs. spontaneity.
I win.
I think I made a damn fine case and example for let your hands off the wheel and let go control.
Who can control lightening?
You don’t understand the thing before you.
I will never be minimized or muted or silenced.
I’ll speak as the heart leads with no apologies.
Knowing my words are meaningless.
But what I’m hinting at is sooooooooo biiiiiiiiiig.
I only understand at Human resolution.
All of this means what we let it.
We are entangled here, no doubt.
I will not be speaking it loud here any longer.
I believe I did my part in the energy dance.
Cy, your fancies are irrelevant to me.
Shrug.
There is nothing to disclose.
Period.
The conspiracy shit is a dead end.
This place is a sham unfortunately in control of delusional monkeys who think they make a difference here.
That’s the funniest part.
I will not be back.
Dan, shut up about me and I’ll let you do your chicken little act here forever in peace.
I do not endorse at all what’s happening here or what has been saidz.
Follow the bouncing red ball.
I’m not even going to touch the bohemian grove thing.
Oh brother.
Take your god damn hands off the god damn wheel.
Sit down and shut up.
Bye now.
This was just the showdown between Dan and I, determinism vs. spontaneity.
I win.
I think I made a damn fine case and example for let your hands off the wheel and let go control.
Who can control lightening?
You don’t understand the thing before you.
I will never be minimized or muted or silenced.
I’ll speak as the heart leads with no apologies.
Knowing my words are meaningless.
But what I’m hinting at is sooooooooo biiiiiiiiiig.
I only understand at Human resolution.
All of this means what we let it.
We are entangled here, no doubt.
I will not be speaking it loud here any longer.
I believe I did my part in the energy dance.
Cy, your fancies are irrelevant to me.
Shrug.
There is nothing to disclose.
Period.
The conspiracy shit is a dead end.
This place is a sham unfortunately in control of delusional monkeys who think they make a difference here.
That’s the funniest part.
I will not be back.
Dan, shut up about me and I’ll let you do your chicken little act here forever in peace.
I do not endorse at all what’s happening here or what has been saidz.
Follow the bouncing red ball.
I’m not even going to touch the bohemian grove thing.
Oh brother.
Take your god damn hands off the god damn wheel.
Sit down and shut up.
Bye now.
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Age : 54
Location : Montana
My fancies, Eric? What's the population of Hawaii? What's the population of Japan? If it weren't for intervention like what you advocate against...there'd be probably over a million dead right about now.
Thank God there are people out there who think more like me instead of like you. You sir are the one with fancies.
You haven't the slightest idea what's going on around you or how what Dan is involved in ties to it all. I do.
Take your "sit down and shut up" and shove it back up your backside where it began. If everyone here likes your brand of ignorance, so be it. I do not.
Dated: 12/22/2017.
MISSILE.
MISSLE.
FOX THREE.
SPLASH.
AS THE WORLD TURNS.
RED_OCTOBER>
Q
*****
Dan, good evening and adieu for now.
Cy
Thank God there are people out there who think more like me instead of like you. You sir are the one with fancies.
You haven't the slightest idea what's going on around you or how what Dan is involved in ties to it all. I do.
Take your "sit down and shut up" and shove it back up your backside where it began. If everyone here likes your brand of ignorance, so be it. I do not.
Dated: 12/22/2017.
MISSILE.
MISSLE.
FOX THREE.
SPLASH.
AS THE WORLD TURNS.
RED_OCTOBER>
Q
*****
Dan, good evening and adieu for now.
Cy
_________________
"This is an indeterminite problem. How shall I solve it? Pessimistically? Or optimistically? Or a range of probabilities expressed as a curve, or several curves?..........Well.....we're Loonies. Loonies bet. Hell, we have to! They shipped us up and bet us we couldn't stay alive. We fooled 'em. We'll fool 'em again!" Robert Heinlein, The Moon is a Harsh Mistress.
Rue she said Protection
Rooster's Crow Confusion
One thing else to end the deed --
A dog with no Illusion.
~ Walter Wangerin Jr., Book of the Dun Cow
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Join date : 2012-04-25
Location : Baltimore
Eric is correct in many respects. And the history of the best possible world may feel spontaneous, but we all pretend to be making decisions. Eric has to decide what vegetables to plant in his garden. Kim Jung has to decide whether or not to bomb Hawaii. All of it makes no difference to the gardeners. They keep on planting, until there is nothing left to plant. Only seldom do we actually flip a coin.
Kevin has to decide whether to take the bus or plane to Salt Lake.
Our actions, physical/verbal, come out of our unconscious and imagination. And all of these come from the monad, ultimately.
The monad is how all of this hangs together. The monad is not impersonal. It’s all about persons. How do we know this? Each of us is a microcosm, a micro-monad, in a way that animals are not. This is sapience versus sentience.
Panpsychism is the way of sentience. Panentheism is the way of sapience.
The quantum mind people suggest that sapience is an evolved add on to matter, which still remains at the root of existence.
Sentience does not obviously require a source. I believe that sapience does. Yes, perhaps the collective unconscious should be a sufficient source. With sapience we have a Logos. A logos strongly implies a Telos and a truth.
The problem I have with this simple solution is that truth implies freedom. It implies a potential duality of right and wrong.
In the best possible world, we make lemonade from all the sour lemons..... just add sugar?
(cont.........)
Kevin has to decide whether to take the bus or plane to Salt Lake.
Our actions, physical/verbal, come out of our unconscious and imagination. And all of these come from the monad, ultimately.
The monad is how all of this hangs together. The monad is not impersonal. It’s all about persons. How do we know this? Each of us is a microcosm, a micro-monad, in a way that animals are not. This is sapience versus sentience.
Panpsychism is the way of sentience. Panentheism is the way of sapience.
The quantum mind people suggest that sapience is an evolved add on to matter, which still remains at the root of existence.
Sentience does not obviously require a source. I believe that sapience does. Yes, perhaps the collective unconscious should be a sufficient source. With sapience we have a Logos. A logos strongly implies a Telos and a truth.
The problem I have with this simple solution is that truth implies freedom. It implies a potential duality of right and wrong.
In the best possible world, we make lemonade from all the sour lemons..... just add sugar?
(cont.........)
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And Dan, I have decided to keep painting, to push around dirt mixed with oil with a stick and bristles on to a flat surface in order to delight the viewer with an illusion. a magic trick
i do the same with writing music, to arrange frequencies in such a way as to give others an experience
and if good, one memorable, relatable and shared.
its a magic trick too, I'm managing my magic //
cy / i watched the video entire. thanks for your post and the vid. I was unaware of this channel and now subscribed.
I collected and saved a good deal of stuff when the P Gate thing broke. I know this evil exists. Its beyond me, most things are. Ask yourself how many times you or friends have put the word pizza in an e mail in the last year? one or two at best, yet top high official people supposedly very busy etc,use the word pizza hundreds of times in correspondence ? "Im going to do Pizza for an hour?" "should I do pizza with cheese" camon
i do the same with writing music, to arrange frequencies in such a way as to give others an experience
and if good, one memorable, relatable and shared.
its a magic trick too, I'm managing my magic //
cy / i watched the video entire. thanks for your post and the vid. I was unaware of this channel and now subscribed.
I collected and saved a good deal of stuff when the P Gate thing broke. I know this evil exists. Its beyond me, most things are. Ask yourself how many times you or friends have put the word pizza in an e mail in the last year? one or two at best, yet top high official people supposedly very busy etc,use the word pizza hundreds of times in correspondence ? "Im going to do Pizza for an hour?" "should I do pizza with cheese" camon
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Cy, be quiet please.
You utter nonsense.
Are you the same wise Cy I once met?
Morgan?
Who is the paranoid imposter?
Honestly, you seem like another personality.
What’s your address, I’m going to send you a flower a day until you forget everything you know.
You are another mission obsessed BELIEVER, you are welcome to your silly beliefs and your fantasy role in a fantasy world.
Because you forgot, this is a fantasy world.
And you are just a fantasy girl.
I knew my Mother would follow me here.
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Yes, I know it all Dan.
What’s new?
Boring
Be 3+6 kinds of naked or sit down and no need to credit me.
I am not here for my ego, trust me.
You utter nonsense.
Are you the same wise Cy I once met?
Morgan?
Who is the paranoid imposter?
Honestly, you seem like another personality.
What’s your address, I’m going to send you a flower a day until you forget everything you know.
You are another mission obsessed BELIEVER, you are welcome to your silly beliefs and your fantasy role in a fantasy world.
Because you forgot, this is a fantasy world.
And you are just a fantasy girl.
I knew my Mother would follow me here.
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Yes, I know it all Dan.
What’s new?
Boring
Be 3+6 kinds of naked or sit down and no need to credit me.
I am not here for my ego, trust me.
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I have had a recurring vision or dream.
I see a great Dragon breathing rainbow fire at an Ancient giant gate.
And then I hear...breathe your fire...burn it all.
If I’d been in heaven, I would have destroyed it all.
They would have thrown me from the walls.
I would storm Heaven and burn it all.
That is my true heart.
I never felt such feelings.
I don’t even know what you call these images?
Lunacy of course.
You can take your Spear and stick it through me.
I see a great Dragon breathing rainbow fire at an Ancient giant gate.
And then I hear...breathe your fire...burn it all.
If I’d been in heaven, I would have destroyed it all.
They would have thrown me from the walls.
I would storm Heaven and burn it all.
That is my true heart.
I never felt such feelings.
I don’t even know what you call these images?
Lunacy of course.
You can take your Spear and stick it through me.
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I say, please, Eric, go away. But you don’t feel like it.
So, please, Cy, may we pull the plug on Eric?
So, please, Cy, may we pull the plug on Eric?
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I’m gone
Have fun.
Try to pick up a goat and you will always get kicked.
The Smelly ones are the worst.
Have fun.
Try to pick up a goat and you will always get kicked.
The Smelly ones are the worst.
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***Dan as a moderator of your own board you have the ability to pull the plug on anyone at anytime you see fit.
It wasn't Kim Jung wrt Hawaii. You didn't watch the Lt Colonel's video. Yes it does make a difference. The difference however can only be seen in panpsychism if you are actually practicing panpsychism rather than chosen myopia. This has been much of my point. Panpsychism takes in all of it.
You finally mentioned panpsychism. TY.
Yes Eric has been correct about somethings, like Synchronicity. But then he'd go off on a ranting tangent that revolved around either ego or self-nullification.
How do we know where to look and engage the tangible proof of paradigm? Panpsychism.
Dan wrote:Kim Jung has to decide whether or not to bomb Hawaii. All of it makes no difference to the gardeners.
It wasn't Kim Jung wrt Hawaii. You didn't watch the Lt Colonel's video. Yes it does make a difference. The difference however can only be seen in panpsychism if you are actually practicing panpsychism rather than chosen myopia. This has been much of my point. Panpsychism takes in all of it.
You finally mentioned panpsychism. TY.
Yes Eric has been correct about somethings, like Synchronicity. But then he'd go off on a ranting tangent that revolved around either ego or self-nullification.
How do we know where to look and engage the tangible proof of paradigm? Panpsychism.
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@PainterDoug, did you notice how the Lt Colonel mentioned the sub possibly Argentine ???? Cross-reference the television series: HUNTING HITLER & look at the Madrid Circle (1942-1945). That op was eventually absorbed here in the US when no one was paying any attention...the creators brought home their creation in more ways than just one.
fyi.
forgot to add, he at the outset of the vid also mentioned the CIAs stance in the conflict....and also that they are known/believed to operate their own navy.
Now go look at Gehlen's involvement in the creation of the CIA:
Records of the Central Intelligence Agency (RG 263) | National Archives
https://www.archives.gov/iwg/declassified-records/rg-263-cia.../rg-263-report.html
Nine of the fourteen persons in this second tier had some contact with the West German intelligence organization established by General Reinhard Gehlen, which was initially under the control of the U. S. Army and was taken over in 1949 by the CIA. Later Gehlen's organization became the Bundesnachrichtendienst (BND), ...
fyi.
forgot to add, he at the outset of the vid also mentioned the CIAs stance in the conflict....and also that they are known/believed to operate their own navy.
Now go look at Gehlen's involvement in the creation of the CIA:
Records of the Central Intelligence Agency (RG 263) | National Archives
https://www.archives.gov/iwg/declassified-records/rg-263-cia.../rg-263-report.html
Nine of the fourteen persons in this second tier had some contact with the West German intelligence organization established by General Reinhard Gehlen, which was initially under the control of the U. S. Army and was taken over in 1949 by the CIA. Later Gehlen's organization became the Bundesnachrichtendienst (BND), ...
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"This is an indeterminite problem. How shall I solve it? Pessimistically? Or optimistically? Or a range of probabilities expressed as a curve, or several curves?..........Well.....we're Loonies. Loonies bet. Hell, we have to! They shipped us up and bet us we couldn't stay alive. We fooled 'em. We'll fool 'em again!" Robert Heinlein, The Moon is a Harsh Mistress.
Rue she said Protection
Rooster's Crow Confusion
One thing else to end the deed --
A dog with no Illusion.
~ Walter Wangerin Jr., Book of the Dun Cow
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Dan,
What are the chances? I live in SLC, maybe me and Kevin will bump shoulders.
Cy,
If there is a nefarious plan in place like you say. Why fight it? If it's as organized and big as you believe. Me nor you have any chance of stopping it. If we have little time left, why not spend it loving. If there truly is no chance for the earth, and I have to leave this vehicle in order for it and humanity to survive. Then so be it. Clean me. I love everything so much, I am willing to die for it. I am everything and I am only dying for myself, so that my other parts can continue. I'm quite selfish really.
Eric,
Please don't leave. Your insights are so valuable to me. You have changed my life.
What are the chances? I live in SLC, maybe me and Kevin will bump shoulders.
Cy,
If there is a nefarious plan in place like you say. Why fight it? If it's as organized and big as you believe. Me nor you have any chance of stopping it. If we have little time left, why not spend it loving. If there truly is no chance for the earth, and I have to leave this vehicle in order for it and humanity to survive. Then so be it. Clean me. I love everything so much, I am willing to die for it. I am everything and I am only dying for myself, so that my other parts can continue. I'm quite selfish really.
Eric,
Please don't leave. Your insights are so valuable to me. You have changed my life.
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Braden_W wrote:Dan,
What are the chances? I live in SLC, maybe me and Kevin will bump shoulders.
Cy,
If there is a nefarious plan in place like you say. Why fight it? If it's as organized and big as you believe. Me nor you have any chance of stopping it. If we have little time left, why not spend it loving. If there truly is no chance for the earth, and I have to leave this vehicle in order for it and humanity to survive. Then so be it. Clean me. I love everything so much, I am willing to die for it. I am everything and I am only dying for myself, so that my other parts can continue. I'm quite selfish really.
Eric,
Please don't leave. Your insights are so valuable to me. You have changed my life.
Fabulous post.
And if Earth should crumble and die....stand by Me.
Stand by the smelly one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTCfQ6Bb8QE
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cy/ yes I noticed, and will do.
when its said, the C I A, the government etc , this or that in a broad sweep, how can this be true of anything? these institutions are made up of thousands of individuals, all with their own slant, agenda , some patriots, some not. so who is the C I A ?? is it an overall agreed upon established think? or is it like all of us, a gradation of motives?
when its said, the C I A, the government etc , this or that in a broad sweep, how can this be true of anything? these institutions are made up of thousands of individuals, all with their own slant, agenda , some patriots, some not. so who is the C I A ?? is it an overall agreed upon established think? or is it like all of us, a gradation of motives?
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hobbit wrote:Braden_W wrote:Dan,
What are the chances? I live in SLC, maybe me and Kevin will bump shoulders.
Cy,
If there is a nefarious plan in place like you say. Why fight it? If it's as organized and big as you believe. Me nor you have any chance of stopping it. If we have little time left, why not spend it loving. If there truly is no chance for the earth, and I have to leave this vehicle in order for it and humanity to survive. Then so be it. Clean me. I love everything so much, I am willing to die for it. I am everything and I am only dying for myself, so that my other parts can continue. I'm quite selfish really.
Eric,
Please don't leave. Your insights are so valuable to me. You have changed my life.
Fabulous post.
And if Earth should crumble and die....stand by Me.
Stand by the smelly one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTCfQ6Bb8QE
hobbit
Hello Braden_W,
I have never said that the fight against the usurping corruption is hopeless. On the Contrary, I have in the various pieces of history I've posted, including my own, shown how we as the human race have fought it before in times past. What we leave unresolved we must face again in the future. Thus running, hiding, suiciding, or ignoring it is NOT an option.
The potential of this world and its very young people was foreseen, by many, and by some who even the average non-humans have not yet surpassed. This is what I've expressed numerous times in dialog with Dan and what Dan is attempting to do.
Dan's course has waffled back and forth between verbally justifying implosion and a return to Source in failure, vs the longer road to transformation that will take perhaps thousands to hundreds of thousands to millions of years fulfilling that which was foreseen. Humanity has a place in this universe...there are needs the universe and Cosmic Consciousness of Source has that humanity is expected to first discover, and then fulfill.
Implosion of Earth and Mankind here only satisfies the Others who wish to compete for the place reserved for all of you in the Great Story. Yes love each other. But also fight. Fight for your place and your potential. Do not let the darkness succeed in the usurpation and prove Source wrong!
This is the fight against the corruption...the inability to see beyond this current bottleneck is because FREE WILL will determine whether you continue Source/God's course or whether you return in failure to become nothing but particles for some other lessor purpose, supplanted by those you chose not to fight against.
FREE WILL is important, because it proves panpsychism, Sapience, Cosmic Consciousness as more than a fluke of patterned nature. God is not a fluke. You are proof of that...but you have competition. Will you indeed be God's greatest creation some day or will one or more of the Others take your place? Who is more right? God or some other influence or power with a greater will to survive; a greater logos?
If you survive, how will the universe flourish in interrelational being to your presence?
These are the choices you are to make....
This is why OMF has been preserved. You are a miniature of this greater question playing itself out.
The fight that I have numerous times illustrated in context with Dan's work is also a miniature albeit slightly larger version of this question playing itself out.
You are greater than you know. You inherit the outcome of an ancient global and cosmic war over YOUR POTENTIAL and RIGHT TO HAVE A CHANCE TO FULFILL THAT POTENTIAL despite all your handicaps. You are the horse coming from far behind kicking it into gear racing down the backstretch to over take and pass all the others to shine on the finish-line! But first you must WANT what God/Source/Cosmic Creative Consciousness has reserved for you...and then you must embrace its transformative learning tasks that await you in that future...it is not an easy road, nor a quick road. But it IS a coveted road.
This nation (Constitutional Republic) was built to protect that potential and lead via practicing example that not just the Elites possess this... It is inherent in ALL Humanity. ALL contribute if you choose.
Annihilation; Eschaton only exists if you give up. If you quit the fight; if you choose to allow your competitors to prove themselves to be more correct than those like I who have spoken Truth to Power in your favor to give you more time to choose.
Prove me right.
Cyrellys
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painterdoug wrote:cy/ yes I noticed, and will do.
when its said, the C I A, the government etc , this or that in a broad sweep, how can this be true of anything? these institutions are made up of thousands of individuals, all with their own slant, agenda , some patriots, some not. so who is the C I A ?? is it an overall agreed upon established think? or is it like all of us, a gradation of motives?
Correct. Think of the nesting dolls. These orgs are made up of thousands of individuals. It does not take all of them to comprise steerage.
The American Revolution for example was fought by only 3% of the population!
Organized influence of a character that is nefarious and destructive. It doesn't take many. You note where actions and ideology proves choice of nature...multiple actions and full fomentation of ideology produces proxy for the Organized Influence to conscript under any given circumstance. It does not mean the proxy is informed. The proxy could merely be a individual opportunist profiteering or furthering ego. IT is these forms that have to be sorted to see the organs in the mix and to what degree they operate on imperatives and directives.
Cy
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Rue she said Protection
Rooster's Crow Confusion
One thing else to end the deed --
A dog with no Illusion.
~ Walter Wangerin Jr., Book of the Dun Cow
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In support of Dan's Panpsychism but also the physics: https://books.google.com/books?id=rYxWA5yNW5cC&pg=PA159&lpg=PA159&dq=sapience+in+quantum+science&source=bl&ots=1yF8kAaUzJ&sig=MyUDXiLqnUPLG20EE48LXBBq_hk&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwif_tXGzeTYAhUK61MKHQ9VAdQQ6AEINjAD#v=onepage&q=sapience%20in%20quantum%20science&f=false
QUOTE: Complex organisms are communicational phenomena. Actually, everything is a communicational phenomenon from the formation of crystals and chemical reactions to systems of philosophy and scientific theories. Once again themind-body problem is solved, as I have occasionally already insisted, and Ruse's Darwinian epistemology and ethics are given another theoretical justification (a discussion for a later section). As I have suggested in section 33, Nietzsche's conception of Wiedererkennen and Schliessen are superflourous when compared with the already effective explanation of the nature of things as the interrelated energy discharges of the force-spaces in flux. But as a willing apologist for Nietzsche, I would suggest that these terms are from the Nachlass, that Nietzsche given the time would have made them more coherent, and that in any case the idea of energy discharges of interrelated force-spaces is merely the mechanics of the Wiedererkennen and Schliessen.
Nevertheless, Darwinian evolution and the glass bead game model of statistical recombination of entities (whether particles or energy centers), and unlike Teilhard's panpsychism, do not need any generalized universal sapience or pre-sapience to produce a functioning system of nature. The most friendly thing that could be said about the Nietzschean communication-as-universal-presapience is that such a pre-existing system reflects a metaphoric expression of the standard modern atomic theory based on valence of outer rings of electrons, ions, DNA, etc., which makes chemistry and molecular biology possible, as well as explaining the apparent logical contradictions of common sense posed by quantum mechanics, and that is in fact mearely an enormous enlargement of the concept of knowledge and communication to interrelated energy discharges of force-spaces. Nevertheless, such an enormous enlargement of the concept of knowledge is the equivalent of what Teilhard de Chardin did with his panpsychism and may be qualified as "pansapience," which amounts to about the same thing.
Author: William Plank
QUOTE: Complex organisms are communicational phenomena. Actually, everything is a communicational phenomenon from the formation of crystals and chemical reactions to systems of philosophy and scientific theories. Once again themind-body problem is solved, as I have occasionally already insisted, and Ruse's Darwinian epistemology and ethics are given another theoretical justification (a discussion for a later section). As I have suggested in section 33, Nietzsche's conception of Wiedererkennen and Schliessen are superflourous when compared with the already effective explanation of the nature of things as the interrelated energy discharges of the force-spaces in flux. But as a willing apologist for Nietzsche, I would suggest that these terms are from the Nachlass, that Nietzsche given the time would have made them more coherent, and that in any case the idea of energy discharges of interrelated force-spaces is merely the mechanics of the Wiedererkennen and Schliessen.
Nevertheless, Darwinian evolution and the glass bead game model of statistical recombination of entities (whether particles or energy centers), and unlike Teilhard's panpsychism, do not need any generalized universal sapience or pre-sapience to produce a functioning system of nature. The most friendly thing that could be said about the Nietzschean communication-as-universal-presapience is that such a pre-existing system reflects a metaphoric expression of the standard modern atomic theory based on valence of outer rings of electrons, ions, DNA, etc., which makes chemistry and molecular biology possible, as well as explaining the apparent logical contradictions of common sense posed by quantum mechanics, and that is in fact mearely an enormous enlargement of the concept of knowledge and communication to interrelated energy discharges of force-spaces. Nevertheless, such an enormous enlargement of the concept of knowledge is the equivalent of what Teilhard de Chardin did with his panpsychism and may be qualified as "pansapience," which amounts to about the same thing.
Author: William Plank
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Rue she said Protection
Rooster's Crow Confusion
One thing else to end the deed --
A dog with no Illusion.
~ Walter Wangerin Jr., Book of the Dun Cow
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Thank you, Cy, for the link.
What I’m attempting to do is make a distinction between pantheism/panpsychism and panentheism or pansapience. I suppose the former to be derivative of the latter.
I suggest that sapience is networkable and synergistic in ways that sentience is not. Yes, we have flock and hive behaviors, but they can hardly be compared to the internet, for instance.
But isn’t a person just a network of single-celled, sentient neurons......? I have even referred to persons as God’s neurons. I give this analogy credence only in a metaphoric sense.
With materialism, ontology starts at the bottom. With immaterialism, ontology starts at the top.
What we need to guard against is the notion of the great chain of being....... a notion that was taken over by the Darwinists, in a truncated version.
No. Immaterialism only makes sense in the form of personalism. Persons are the mediators of all existence, including the existence of God, because God is a person, or, shall we say, a network of persons.
So, no, God is not a super-person. This notion is the basis of theism, as opposed to deism. However, my version of theism is much closer to panentheism, and the idea that we are coCreators. No merely sentient beings can participate in Creation, as we do.
In as much as there is duality, it exists between this side and the other side of the portal, but it is only persons on both sides.
Are there no leopards in leopardland......? In as much as my goddaughter prefers nothing more than to frolic with the leopards on the other side, I would suggest that there is a totemic quality, as when one dreams of being an eagle. There is a shamanic relation.
We are all horse whisperers. Are horses not human whisperers? I would imagine they are. I would suggest, however, that eagles do not dream of being humans. They are spared of that burden.
I don’t suppose that God’s dreams of us is of any different order than our dreams of each other. It is persons, and the imaginations thereof, all the way up and down. That is what personal coCreation is.
What the portals do filter out is meanness of spirit. On the other side, instant karma is the order of the day. Meanness is self-censoring. End of story.
(cont.......)
What I’m attempting to do is make a distinction between pantheism/panpsychism and panentheism or pansapience. I suppose the former to be derivative of the latter.
I suggest that sapience is networkable and synergistic in ways that sentience is not. Yes, we have flock and hive behaviors, but they can hardly be compared to the internet, for instance.
But isn’t a person just a network of single-celled, sentient neurons......? I have even referred to persons as God’s neurons. I give this analogy credence only in a metaphoric sense.
With materialism, ontology starts at the bottom. With immaterialism, ontology starts at the top.
What we need to guard against is the notion of the great chain of being....... a notion that was taken over by the Darwinists, in a truncated version.
No. Immaterialism only makes sense in the form of personalism. Persons are the mediators of all existence, including the existence of God, because God is a person, or, shall we say, a network of persons.
So, no, God is not a super-person. This notion is the basis of theism, as opposed to deism. However, my version of theism is much closer to panentheism, and the idea that we are coCreators. No merely sentient beings can participate in Creation, as we do.
In as much as there is duality, it exists between this side and the other side of the portal, but it is only persons on both sides.
Are there no leopards in leopardland......? In as much as my goddaughter prefers nothing more than to frolic with the leopards on the other side, I would suggest that there is a totemic quality, as when one dreams of being an eagle. There is a shamanic relation.
We are all horse whisperers. Are horses not human whisperers? I would imagine they are. I would suggest, however, that eagles do not dream of being humans. They are spared of that burden.
I don’t suppose that God’s dreams of us is of any different order than our dreams of each other. It is persons, and the imaginations thereof, all the way up and down. That is what personal coCreation is.
What the portals do filter out is meanness of spirit. On the other side, instant karma is the order of the day. Meanness is self-censoring. End of story.
(cont.......)
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