With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.
Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.
So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?
And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?
Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.
Keep us in the loop as far as the MoAPS goes. Before final launch I would like to purchase some stock options in the pharma companies that make Seroquel and Abilify. Haha.
One of the most remarkable books of the last 30 years is The Anthropic Cosmological Principle by John Barrow and Frank Tipler. The “principle” is really nothing more than a statement that the laws governing how the universe operates seem to be arranged so as to require our existence and participation.
In other words, the human race is not some accidental byproduct of creation, but an essential component of the way the universe is put together.
The Cosmos, whatever it is, thought us into existence.
Who understands such a thing?
Not I, but that’s not true. If you live your life balanced with the things you meet, it seems to work out. Learning to accept that experience as my life is enough for myself.
“The facts of science are real enough, and so are the techniques that scientists use, and so are the technologies based on them. But the belief system that governs conventional scientific thinking is an act of faith.” -Rupert Sheldrake
“Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness.” -Alejandro Jodorowski
I know I proved to myself I can fly.
No one can shake that knowing.
Chemical psychosis or not, there is a firmness in the adaptive strategy of Magick and Initiation into the power to control It.
And there is a great lesson possible to learn, that nothing can be controlled, but thyself, and not even really that, so float.
All our problems come from man, and I mean, man’s attempt to control this power. For power over oneself also gives you power over others.
I saw the lesson immediately in a moment, don’t exert your power over others, but make the world into what your will allows within your own natural limits.
That works locally and due to our non-local connections, what one learns, all learn.
This simple idea can wake you up to a new adaptive strategy instantly if you understand the implications.
Here is the simplest way I can decribe the experience.
You accept that Consciousness or awareness of experience is real, but not what you are conscious of.
That is it, the heart and nut of my awareness.
This is enough for me, I can’t say it will help anyone else.
But all of the craziness stems from a belief that whatever we are conscious of is not real. So what I am is the same as what everything else is you deduce.
“There is no explanation in the Big Bang theory for the seemingly fortuitous fact that the density of matter has just the right value for the evolution of a benign, life supporting universe.”
“If the universe had not been made with the most exacting precision we could never have come into existence. It is my view that these circumstances indicate the universe was created for man to live in.”
–Robert Jastrow, agnostic astronomer, author of God and the Astronomers
That’s all I need ever say about Awareness.
I’m just repeating myself to say it other ways.
Mysterium Non Tremendum
“Please be so good as to believe that there is nothing whatever mysterious about this matter. If it were easy, should we not all be Buddhas(or Christs)? No doubt, but the apparent difficulty is due to our conditioning. The apparent mystery, on the other hand, it’s just an inability to perceive the obvious owing to a conditioned reflex which causes us persistently to look in the wrong direction.”
— Wei Wu Wei
So what’s the Big Mystery? I believe as Dan, what we see can be understood. I think we are meant to understand it. Anyone who wants to know themselves can. We are told love is unsolvable. Some of us dared to solve it. We find when we begin the effort, life is a riddle. Why is their a mystery at all?
What if the Mysterium Tremendum is just a belief. There is no more mystery than we allow. All the answers are in plain sight. No one is hiding them from us. There is not the least attempt at concealment or conspiracy.
I have destroyed my Mystery and that has brought a knowing sureness in now.
I do not nor would I ever ask anyone else to do that.
I am only witness to the experience and that’s real for me and the beginning and ending of all of it.
My advice for anyone wanting "enlightenment". Stop reading about it and learn to meditate. Learn how to observe your thoughts in deep meditation, watch them come in and out, without judgement of them. Watch them slow to a trickle until they stop completely.
There will come a time when you will reach a point where you will be able to remain conscious even when you sleep.
Lucid dreaming. Astral projection.
Get a book about astral projection and start a daily regimen of practice until you can master it.
I still haven't mastered it, but I can do it 25% of the time I try, which is pretty good.
The first time you stand next to your projected body, looking down at it as it is laying there in your bed your world will change. That was my first and most profound MoAPS experience.
Knowing that in one dimension or perspective of consciousness you are just laying in bed, and at the same time you are also experiencing another copy of the world projected from your consciousness, nothing is more profound in my opinion.
Most people think astral projection is your 'spirit' leaving your body and exploring this physical dimension in spirit form. I do not believe this. To me, astral projection is literally experiencing the 'big bang' from a first person perspective. It is to experience the very act of creating our material experience out of thought or consciousness.
When I astral project I can walk around my room and feel the texture of the walls, the carpet, the wood floors, everything to it's exact form and function is %100 identical to waking life.
I have even gone to my 'projected' freezer in my home while astral projecting, pulled out an ice cube, and observed it melting in my hand, just as if I was awake in the "real" world. It's texture and temperature and every little detail was completely identical to what you would expect. Every time I astral project I am in awe at the power of our consciousness. The power it has to create real tangible material experience.
This is very different from a dream, even a lucid dream. Astral projection is no different than waking life, except you observe two bodies, one laying on the bed where you left it and the new projected astral body.
If more people learned how to astral project and practiced it there would be a lot more reverence for our planet, our own projected creation. There would be a lot more love and tolerance for our differences too.
Enlightenment is just the stripping way of what is illusion until only naked awareness is left, singularity.
If you don’t know what that is, you have not seen the Light.
Be rich is Science Be rich in Meditation Be rich in Love
So what I am and all of us are experiencing, Dan says has meaning at his resolution, maybe, where I say, that’s impossible in the context of the whole.
So Dan knows his part of history and as a fictional SoT, he might be helping to keep the story of time and history consistent.
I can’t wait for herstory.
But this is indeed Ourstory.
History is only one version and part of our story seen through time. The farther you go from a moment in time, the dimmer it gets.
It may be a consistent illusion, our sense awareness seeks pattern and imposes them, and you can tune a clock to its consistency to the atomic level, but that means what if you are on God’s Boob tube?
ITs TV allows it to go impossibly big or small into the drama.
This is a trick of light and diffraction around you driven by Electricity and Magnetism.
So, to me, Dan is just a part of the story adding his part, it’s consistent, he is consistent, but that’s an illusion of shadow and light.
His part of the story is consistent to him.
I’m not saying it’s not meaningful or is to be in consciousness, but that meaning depends on your resolution.
Humility is knowing your resolution.
The entire thing is contained in Zero.
No-thing made this and no-thing pokes through everywhere.
You can perceive that and you are supposed to.
You learn from Zen that the archer must be in sync with the bow and the target to find the full potential of the action.
Perception, perceived and perceiver all need one another to be.
Father, Son and Holy Ghost?
3 9 18
Who cares what names you give the experience? Meaningless. Belief, meaningless as far as what is true about a thing. That’s self evident if you have become the One Eyed King.
You will find the end of the rainbow when you have seen through your suffering and pain and ended it yourself.
Until then you are on a crazy rocket ride, after accepting though, you can ease into a slow glide over the rest of life.
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“So you are feeling yourself an outsider. This is good. This is the transitory period. Now you have to be alert not to fill yourself with pain and misery. Now that God is no longer there, who is going to console you? You don't need any consolation. Humanity has come of age. Be a man, be a woman, and stand on your own feet.... The only way to be connected with existence is to go inwards, because there at the center you are still connected. You have been disconnected physically from your mother. That disconnection was absolutely necessary to make you an individual in your own right. But you are not disconnected from the universe. Your connection with the universe is of consciousness. You cannot see it, so you have to go deep down with great awareness, watchfulness, witnessing, and you will find the connection. The buddha is the connection!”
— OSHO
As a pagan shaman though, you can look around you also for that connection. This is where Dan misses I’m with him. We are connected.
"God is the nest we build together." – Gene Wolfe, The Book of the New Sun
God of Watchfulness, Wisdom and the Light
Father of Helios.
Finishing my thought.
0 = 1 - 1
Zero can be represented as any number as long as it is negated.
This is the Law of Opposites.
It can divide itself as small as it wants.
Reverse it.
So No-thing tricked itself into thinking it was Some-thing.
Only those who want Awareness find it.
Who really wants this?
It reduces no further.
Dreams are disturbance.
I rarely dream.
I sleep like a baby.
The dreams are telling you what and how to deal with your disturbances.
“The True Person of ancient times slept without dreaming and awoke without care. Their food was plain.
Their breathing was deep. The True Person breathed to their heels. Most people breathe to their throats. Bent and tight, they quarrel and vomit words. Their desires are old and deep, but they are shallow when it comes to knowing the opportunities of heaven.”
— Deng Ming-Dao
Breathe deep and you won’t have anything left to say.
http://famousredwoods.com/hyperion/
So thiz iz the simple formula that solvez Life.
If Life pushez, pull it cloze.
If Life pullz, go all the wayz.
For you see, life is a perfect circle.
To remove any disturbance, apply the opposite energy and you will float through life.
So when you are lost in the maze, remember, you alwayz return to where you started Foolz.
Reverse your energy to win thiz game of Life!
You never have any problemz, remember that!
Life is just a seriez of disturbancez to remove through mastering the oppositez.
Your dreamz have all your own answerz.
Your visionz are yourz only.
The solution to Life to Everything iz...
0 = 1 - 1
Why do I use ‘z’ because it all happened between A and Z
Z is the Omega Point.
The End is the Beginning.
Perfectly logical.
Isn’t it perfect that the tallest tree on Earth is Hyperion, our link back to the start of it all.
A beautiful circle.
It cutz right through the center!!!!
Hail Hyperion!
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"Can God play a significant game with his own creature? Can any creator, even a limited one, play a significant game with his own creature?" – Norbert Winer, God and Golem, Inc.
“Theologically, Teilhard saw the process of organic evolution as a sequence of progressive syntheses whose ultimate convergence point is that of God. When humanity and the material world have reached their final state of evolution and exhausted all potential for further development, a new convergence between them and the supernatural order would be initiated by the Parousia, or Second Coming of Christ. Teilhard asserted that the work of Christ is primarily to lead the material world to this cosmic redemption, while the conquest of evil is only secondary to his purpose. Evil is represented by Teilhard merely as growing pains within the cosmic process: the disorder that is implied by order in process of realization.”
"The imagination may be compared to Adam’s dream – he awoke and found it truth." – John Keats, In a letter to his brother
Prelude to Endymion:
We must not forget that the human soul however independently created our philosophy represents it as being, is inseperable in its birth and in its growth from the universe into which it is born – Teilhard de Chardin
The universal nature out of the universal substance, as if it were wax, now moulds the figure of a horse, and when it has broken this up, it uses the material for a tree, next for a man, next for something else; and each of these things subsists for a very short time. But it is no hardship for the vessel to be broken up, just as there was none in its being fastened together. – Marcus Aurelius, Meditations
But here is the finger of God, a flash of the will that can, Existent behind all laws, that made them and, lo, they are! And I know not if, save in this, such gift be allowed to man, That out of three sounds he frame, not a fourth sound, but a star. – Robert Browning, Abt Vogler
We are rich in consciousnezz now.
I tell you the truth.
We are Starz!!!!
Hail The Rise of ENDYMION
My wordz and my hornz be long and sharpz.
Be thankful slumber comez to me now.
Dan, for me Marissa, my Moon, awoke the sleeper.
— The Smelly Dragon
Next level stuffz here.
Pay attention to my flow.
What might bring the Universe together, gravity, love.
If you didn’t want that process to start contracting and you had a vested interest in the idea the universe expands forever until dust, you might keep Humanity from awakening. Materialism would be the perfect engine for the Ice 9 protocol.
The greatest conspiracy of all time.
See, when we start contracting, we meet Self, eschaton expansion until bubble is priked.
Dan wantz a lot of slow leakz.
Suppress love and you expand the bubble, that patter is playing out everywhere now.
Maximize love and you add gravity to contract back to unicameral mode, but the big computer up sort of speakz.
We want a small world. We need to maximize contraction. Internet baby!
The forces of greed and need keep the bubble growing.
It is their purpoz.
Lovz iz mine
Get to pumping out the Lovz.
Now you know why the 60s happened and the great musicz of our generationz rousing us from our slumber to dance.
Follow the Lovz.
Thatz what the old smelly goat iz feeling on the wind.
You raise the old ontological conundrum....... why is there something, rather than nothing.
You pick the easy way out........ there really is just nothing, and all our illusions just cancel out, in the end....... hate cancels love, etc......
Those are your drugs talking, smelly. You are letting your own wheels drive you into oblivion. And you’d sure like to take the rest of us with you.
This is the way of the Eastern mystics, and many of the Western gnostics. This is the way of the New Age flower children. It is an easy path, and it is an integral part of the Katechon.
This via Negativa is also the way of the physicists, and of science, in general. From whence comes the pushback against the negative path...... the path to oblivion...... the rest for the weary?
So, no, it’s a cheap shot on my part just to blame it on the drugs. But the drugs can grease those skids. You have to exercise discernment. The BPWH will prevail in the end, but there will be plenty of twists and turns....... plenty of chances to run off the rails...... but knowing that we all end up back home.
So why something, and not nothing.......?
The material universe is 99.999.....% nothing. That is all that we can see, objectively. But what about the unobserved universes, the multiverse that Eric and the cosmologists refer to? What about the universes that contain no sapience? Does the tree that falls in the forest make a sound?
Of course the tree makes a sound. The birds hear it, and if someone were there, they would have heard it, too.
My radical contention is that, with pure consciousness, there is no there, there. There must be a self in there, somewhere..... maybe even two selves. This is the basic insight that motivates the Monad.
Undoubtedly, Eric will reject the insight, and take the ‘easy’ path.
No, say the existentialists, there is nothing easy about this. They are honestly confronting the cold, hard truth that life is an absurdity in a meaningless universe...... that we are lost, or simply thrown into space and time.
Yes, I hear the lament. But, wait, are space and time not illusions? How can we get lost in our own illusions?
(cont........)
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My uncle passed over on that giant moon 7 days ago, and as that moon floats over here at third quarter I can sense Him riding round the moon on His Vincent . He bought one brand new in 1953.
Moreso than ever, many are creating and customizing their own quasi-religious systems by borrowing from a whole smorgasbord of pre-existing systems that are neatly laid out on a table where they pick and choose components within those systems to either accept as true or throw out with the rubbish. At one point in my life, I was sort of doing that too and, in fact, in some respect, I still do that sometimes but not like before. The reason why is because no matter how much I was on the fence or out-right negated the information in those writings in the Judeo-Christian tradition, somehow and some way, and much to my complete astonishment, the truth would end up revealing itself to me in ways that would validate that tradition. Nevertheless, I’m open-minded when it comes to various interpretations of that information. This is why I appreciate Dan’s ongoing BPWH presentation. I may not understand or agree with all of Dan’s viewpoints all of the time but I still resonate with most of them on a profoundly deep level.
A tree might fall in a forest even if a conscious entity isn't there to observe it, but the very event itself does not actually happen until the observer comes to the forest and sees the tree lying there on the ground. At that moment, the fall of the tree happening in the past and all events up to the point of the observer coming into the forest happen at once. The observation of the conscious entity itself collapses the wave potential instantaneously.
At least that's how I understand it just from understanding the delayed choice quantum eraser.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6HLjpj4Nt4
I wonder if the Princess' drones have the ability to collapse the wave potential on their own if they were out flying by theirselves in the forest.
I guess we would not be able to know for sure because testing that hypothesis would require our own observation of the data at some point, thus never allowing us to disconnect our own observation from the experiment itself.
I wonder if there is a way to integrate astral projection into experiments with quantum mechanics and somehow overcome the obstacle of disconnecting the observer from the test.
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Ackbar, (referring to your 1st paragraph) that's an interesting perspective that addresses my previous question about randomness v.s.determinism as in... the randomness of particles at the quantum level switches over to being deterministic (falling into sometimes predictable or maybe always predictable set patterns that act as templates, in one capacity or another) when an observer comes in on the scene.
Scrying........... thank you, and that is exactly what I’m doing, as well, now that you mention it. I’m just being a bit more overt about it.
The world has fallen to pieces, and we’re trying to put the pieces back together. Can we do it without cheating? That’s what science tries to do, and, with the Big Bang and Darwin, they have done a bang up job of it.
99 and Ackbar,
The Quantum paradoxes are where science starts running off its own rails. They do not fit into any reductive scheme. Within science, there is much talk of emergence. Yes, perhaps the Quantum can explain how mind emerges from matter, for instance.
(cont.....)
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You create a world out of thin air using your data points and then look into it.
Yes, that’s exactly what I’m doing. Maybe I’m just a tad more systematic than you.
Frank Tipler.........? With his Quantum Omega at the end of the universe, he got to where I was in 1981. That was my portal point, my MoAPS, from materialism into immaterialism. Frank, with his academic tenure, was not going to squeeze through that eye of a needle.
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"I have developed the ability to go into Dreamstate while awake with no help but meditation and music."
I can relate to that but it's not anything I consciously developed. It eventually segued into that, as years went by, where I can be conscious and fully awake but also be in an altered mind state at the same time. This means that when I see something that otherwise would fall into the hypnagogic hallucination category, I don't experience what's called sleep paralysis. I can just as easily jump out of bed or out of my chair, and run out of the room, like a bat outta hell, if I'm moved to do so. Other times, I can engage and even grab my cam or turn on my computer audio recorder to record the incident -- in what would qualify as real visitations.... and I know the difference between what's there and what's not before I decide to do that.
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