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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    Post by jofo Wed Jan 17, 2018 11:21 am

    First topic message reminder :

    nice to be back to our regularly scheduled programming

    if only eric were here...i miss him, his perspective and contribution
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    Post by Cheguevoblin Tue Jan 30, 2018 3:35 pm

    Yes, I imagined you might disagree.

    After all, what I said, this requires direct experience. Laughing
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    Post by dan Tue Jan 30, 2018 4:03 pm

    Ackbar,

    Smelly and I agree here.  Our families will not be able to shield us from the Void.  

    Now, I claim that my Monad is a bit warmer and fuzzier than Eric’s void, but that is a very relative statement.  From where you sit now, you would hardly recognize the difference.

    And where you sit is where virtually everyone else is sitting, in the here and now.

    Yes, smelly whistles past this mother of all graveyards. And so does everyone else, each of us in our own way.

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Jan 30, 2018 4:37 pm

    You sound more sober now Dan, good.

    And we can disagree without tormenting or jabbing each other, but we agree here.

    But we do so like to jab each other, don't we Wink

    I'm impatient at times, shrug.

    I was waiting for something to happen here, and it happened in me.

    Isn't that the point of OMF?

    Good job Cy.
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    Post by Cheguevoblin Tue Jan 30, 2018 4:51 pm

    Look, I'm on board with all this, immaterialist, small world, dream, solipsism, I am god complex stuff.

    I spend at least an hour a day in no thought and practice conscious sleeping regularly. I've taken the hero's journey, following the omens and found my hidden treasure. I have woken up. I know who I am just like many of you know who you are. I don't just know it, I have experienced it. It changed my life.

    At the same time however, the only thing I truly know is that I don't know anything. So, take what might be useful and toss what is not.

    That said,

    One thing I have come to experience is that despite all of this self proclaimed "enlightenment" I have experienced, it would all be quite meaningless without others to relate and reflect with.

    Relationships are central to this dream of mine, otherwise there probably wouldn't be billions of you here with me. I think we all are experiencing ourselves through each other because we choose that path. It was the best possible path, but a path that relies on relationships. If not, we would be alone man in our garden of eden.

    We chose to exist in a world of relationships, best possible relationships, did we not? Or is this is a nightmare we have to wake up from, wake up to a paradise where where we live alone?

    So even though I agree with the law of Thelema, do what thou wilt, I think it can easily be misused to ones own peril.

    The secret is not in doing whatever we want, but in understanding what it is that we truly want.

    Are you knowing what you are wanting, what you are truly wanting?

    If what you are wanting is out of balance with a life of meaningful relationships, and all relationships start with family relationships, I think it will be hard to reach the highest potential of deep lasting joy and happiness.

    One might think there is no meaning to anything, but the fact that one exists and experiences joy and sorrow attests to their very right and freedom to express such thought.

    If there were no meaning to material experience, there would be no material experience.

    Why do we exist in a world with other people to begin with? Why is our very existence here dependent on relationships to begin with?

    No child would survive long without their mother or someone to care for them. The cycle of dependency on others continues even into our elder years.

    Therefore, I think we should do our best to live in a way that best nourishes and supports the family unit and relationships, which necessary means to live a life of self sacrifice and love. Giving to others without even expecting a thank you in return.

    We must find harmony and balance with all of nature, including with other people.

    You see, the most selfish are also the most selfless.
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    Post by Cheguevoblin Tue Jan 30, 2018 5:05 pm

    dan wrote:Ackbar,
    Smelly and I agree here.  Our families will not be able to shield us from the Void.  

    I don't think they will shield us from the Void either, but I am not in any Void right now and I don't believe that there will ever be only Void.

    It's nice really, in my current existence I can choose to go in and out of the void simply by letting go of all thought.

    I go to the void and fill up my cup, then come and share it with other reflections.

    I can't imagine a time when there would ever be a void without a non-void. They coexist eternally. One cannot exist without the other.

    The cycle can't be broken, but maybe it can be transcended by embracing it in perfect balance and harmony.
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    Post by Cheguevoblin Tue Jan 30, 2018 5:15 pm

    The Princess once told me, "Kashmir and I don't need to be saved. Kashmir and I needed Ron, and we have him for eternity"

    Entangled particles don't need shelter from any Void, but they are entangled for eternity, in and out of void an infinite number of times in a finite moment.

    I have to agree with her.

    I have my family for eternity and nothing else matters.

    It's not a good thing or a bad thing, it just is.

    There will always be families just as there will always be entangled particles. Just as there will always be void and non-void.

    Breaking the cycle is not about trying to isolate oneself from collision with their entangled pairs, collision will always happen. Breaking the cycle is about coming into perfect harmony with our pairs so that the division can be averted in the first place.

    Maybe...I don't know much though.


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    Post by Cheguevoblin Tue Jan 30, 2018 5:25 pm

    Speaking of her Grace, I do miss her wisdom and insight.

    I wonder what she would have to say about all this?

    It doesn't matter.

    Mom's gonna fix it all soon. Mom's coming 'round to put it back the way it ought to be.

    We all better learn to swim real soon.

    Actually, Maynard was wrong I think, drowning is better.

    The only way to float with no effort is to drown first.

    We all float down hear. - some happy scary clown movie

    --

    For someone who said "no more words" earlier today I sure had a lot more words. lol

    shrug.

    I'm feeling the tip of some smelly goat horns growing beneath my skull.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Jan 30, 2018 5:56 pm

    Ack I can see you really going through something right now.

    If you ever want to chat, you can call me.

    Now keep quiet Wink
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    Post by Cheguevoblin Tue Jan 30, 2018 5:59 pm

    Very Happy
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    Post by Cheguevoblin Tue Jan 30, 2018 6:21 pm

    I have spoken some of families today, but may I remind you, when they asked Jesus who his family was he said,

    “Who are my mother and my brothers?” “Here are my mother and my brothers! Whoever does the will of God is my brother and sister and mother”

    You all are my mother and my brothers if you choose to surrender to the will of God.

    Surrender or be imprisoned.
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    Post by Cyrellys Tue Jan 30, 2018 6:31 pm

    Whilst Ackbar goes to the head of the class with flying colors....

    Cy tosses a shining lead brick into the middle of the room; a lesson in interconnectivity:

    https://steemit.com/trending/@poppashaun/if-you-don-t-know-q-you-aint-got-a-clue-the-trump-and-qanon-connection-is-very-real-deep-state-beeing-rounded-up

    Hello Apophis.


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    Sigh...
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    Post by Cyrellys Tue Jan 30, 2018 6:52 pm

    Ackbar was right about Parson, Smelly

    He knew but he didn't understand.


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    Post by WakingUpToReality Tue Jan 30, 2018 7:19 pm

    Ackbar/Earthling

    You need to let go of these delusions and restore the relationship with your wife and daughter.I know that you’ve been struggling for a long time partly as a result of the things posted by Dan and much of the internet in general. Another part of it is that you’re prone to this sort of thinking. It’s imperative that you understand this keep it in mind as you go through your life.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Jan 30, 2018 7:37 pm

    Haha.

    We can disagree Cy.

    I trust direct experience.

    Not laughing at the last post, that was kind of personal.

    Shrug.

    You guys read conspiracy stuff all day long.

    You didn’t dig into his soul.

    You judged him, lots of bitching and judging around here.

    I know why, so, you will get there.

    You like to hear what your itching ears want to hear.

    Not the Truth.

    That’s fine, ignorance everywhere and everyone is entitled to their monstrous beliefs and religions.

    “Our Self, the light of pure Knowing, never finds, knows or comes in contact with anything other than itself. That is the experience of love and beauty.

    Everything belongs to everything; everyone belongs to everyone.“

    — Rupert Spira

    Love Jack as yourselves.

    See everyone has something for you.

    Even us on the Left Hand path.

    You just can’t see what they did, it’s fine.

    I can.

    Thanks Jack, much love.
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    Post by Cheguevoblin Tue Jan 30, 2018 7:59 pm

    WakingUpToReality wrote:Ackbar/Earthling

    You need to let go of these delusions and restore the relationship with your wife and daughter.I know that you’ve been struggling for a long time partly as a result of the things posted by Dan and much of the internet in general. Another part of it is that you’re prone to this sort of thinking. It’s imperative that you understand this keep it in mind as you go through your life.

    My relationship with my wife and daughters is whole and beautiful. Have you missed everything I have said today? Nothing is more important than my family.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Jan 30, 2018 8:05 pm

    Look everyone here, this is hard stuff, no doubt.

    I have compassion, but enjoyment seeing others stripped bare like I was.

    But there is nothing else to do, than find your center.

    We are all being challenged.

    That’s good.

    No one should hold too tightly to anything is what I’ve been saying.

    Our culture is ours. It’s kind of irrelevant to Nature.

    Change or perish is how the flow works.

    It’s hard for people settled in culture to extract themselves, I’m still working a 9-5.

    But I’m focused on the moment completely.

    I have planted so many consciousness bombs everywhere I write.

    They are going off now.

    I know this is hard.

    It takes people years of focus to find Awareness.

    Be patient here, as I will try to be.

    We can help each other.

    We have to help each other.

    And that’s how it’s done Wink

    One by one.

    And all are equal in this.

    I have also learned that living life is why we have it.

    Missions destroy families.

    Missions destroy people.

    The ones you are connected to are the ones who need you, not the world.

    I’m connected here to everyone now and our lives are synchronizing.

    I know who I am even if no one else does.

    Each can find that bedrock.

    So don’t trust Dan, Ron, Cy, the Princes, haha, or myself.

    Trust yourself.

    Work your shit out.

    Make the hard choices and move on if needed or go all in.

    I’m a risk taker, I’m all in bitches, I DARE.

    To the Monad/Void or bust.

    We just have each other.

    And if people want hard Disclosure here on OMF, it’s messy and personal, suck it up buttercup.

    All my love always.
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    Post by WakingUpToReality Tue Jan 30, 2018 8:32 pm

    smelly,

    Not everyone benefits from understanding reality. If the ultimate goal for all of us is comfort, then it’s important that we respect ignorance where it matters, and practice patience.


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    Post by Cyrellys Tue Jan 30, 2018 8:36 pm

    Study the brick (map) gentlemen.  It's all there.  Course correction.  Carefully consider bottom right and bottom left.  https://steemit.com/trending/@poppashaun/if-you-don-t-know-q-you-aint-got-a-clue-the-trump-and-qanon-connection-is-very-real-deep-state-beeing-rounded-up

    Dan's two choices are depicted bottom left.  

    Ackbar bottom right in the oval...then affirmation just to the right of that.

    Smelly by your failure in the skill of listening you have become the epitome of Parson.  In the amount of time given you did not take the time necessary to study the 'brick' (map) at link what it would take even to minimally understand the implications of what you are staring at...i.e. failure in skill of listening.

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Jan 30, 2018 8:40 pm

    I agree Walking.

    The goal is not comfort, the reality is change.

    No goals.

    But you know what, that is their problem completely.

    They can only help themselves.

    Many will crack.

    We will have to help pick up the pieces, but I’m for the dreamers.

    I’m here for those with the courage to stand in themselves.

    I won’t every back down when I feel the impulse.

    We can’t mediate this based on our understanding.

    We will all need to trust ourselves.

    It seems obvious to me, self evident how fooled we are, but I know losing a religion is traumatic.

    I know the pain of doubt.

    But you must stay focused and constant.

    Only those who want to know will know.

    Many won’t and don’t, so what?

    Again, I have compassion, but’s that’s their problem to clear up.


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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Jan 30, 2018 8:41 pm

    Cy, you only judge yourself.

    I have failed at nothing.

    Cy, you and I are not on the same page.

    We have nothing to discuss.

    And I always listen.

    That link of yours is lunacy.

    Shrug.
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    Post by WakingUpToReality Tue Jan 30, 2018 8:59 pm

    smelly wrote:I agree Walking.

    The goal is not comfort, the reality is change.

    No goals

    Changing Dan has been one of your goals, but you’re not able to properly justify it.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Jan 30, 2018 9:05 pm

    No one can change anyone but themselves Walking.

    And no one knows anyone’s goals.

    If you don’t see what’s happening here now, shrug.

    I do.

    It ain’t the stuff Cy is talking about or Dan mostly.

    It’s about the personal interactions here I see popping.

    That’s meaningful.

    It has nothing to do with Disclosure.

    It’s personal.

    Disclosure is just the cover to expose our hearts.

    I don’t need to justify anything.

    Do you have a mission Walking?
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    Post by WakingUpToReality Tue Jan 30, 2018 9:13 pm

    We say things that intentionally lead to changes in others. I’m basically saying that it’s not right to do this in certain instances.
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    Post by Cyrellys Tue Jan 30, 2018 9:16 pm

    smelly wrote:Cy, you only judge yourself.

    I have failed at nothing.

    Cy, you and I are not on the same page.

    We have nothing to discuss.

    And I always listen.

    That link of yours is lunacy.

    Shrug.


    That link of mine is lunacy?  Says the man who doesn't know the first thing about any bread crumb listed on it with the interconnection?  Doesn't know the history or the implications.  Much is said in that image.

    A man dismisses military intelligence a product with the wave of a hand.  Lol

    As you wish.  

    Eric you crave attention...yet you dismiss meaning...you reel off words without connecting them to the world around you in any other way than superficially.  Why would Dan gravitate to that?  He has greater potential...he yearns for meaning and works hard to earn it despite proximity of that which could corrupt that potential...doesn't guarantee success only a nod of recognition!  

    Did you notice the position of Thelema?  Perhaps you never noticed its presence?  What frames it Eric?  What relates to it?

    Why would this be important?  You see Synchronicity but you are not yet understanding it.

    Eric you claim to base your ideas and reactions in existence upon experience.  Yet I'm not seeing experience from you.  I'm seeing wild abandon based on the high produced by the swirl of energies around you...this is not wisdom.  This is addiction and drug abuse.

    I present you with experience and you reject it without thoughtful consideration which is the FIRST hallmark of the Shaman.


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    Rue she said Protection
    Rooster's Crow Confusion
    One thing else to end the deed --
    A dog with no Illusion.

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