The Bible, UFOs, ET and the Ancients Part 3

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Hi ScarZ,

Thank you for posting this information. Does any of David Flynn's material give any idea to the time-frames for the early events or historical figures that his research indicated?

Jake Reason wrote:


Now the dominoes tumble... Watch and see what happens.
This is a global historical turning point.

Hmm.

Much like the "crusades" ? It's late and I have to work in the a.m. but just off the cuff...

Is he {obama}even a true believer in the Christ? There seems to be enough evidence out there that he is not.

So what would be his intent in doing such a thing? http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Columns/2013/01/23/Our-National-Debt-An-Odyssey-that-Speaks-Volumes.aspx#page1 It's obvious he's a socialist at best.

I can only say that he's not "my president" .. The U.S. is changing. Becoming less of a "Christian nation" that it was founded on... That will only continue as it's a melting pot.

But that's just Prophecy unfolding ~ right???


Adam- Eve


Cain and Abel


Abraham- Sarah
Abraham- Hagar/ Ishmael ?

war. Homosexuality {endorsement} just another reason for the blade swinging be-headers to hate and under their law persecute Christians?

I will never pay their tax.


You know what Jake, let me ask you a question of importance. Who in your opinion is Allah?

Keep in mind I've read pretty much everything ScaRZ ever put out - Micheal, David, Peter, etc..

Just sayin- the 70 Angels -Holocaust and prophecy to yet unfold... It's not pretty is it?

Don't lust after strange flesh. That's surely not about homosexuality..

Thanks Cy for all those links.. They are barbarians but in their laws and scripture it's justified. I disagree.

For tonight I'll simply shake the dust off my sandals and close the door on my way out to any Hagar readers.. Enjoy your breath in the morning. Each day after. And till the last. But Christ was not just a prophet.

good luck with that. JMO..

Nib wrote:You know what Jake, let me ask you a question of importance. Who in your opinion is Allah? Do you worship Allah?

Keep in mind I've read pretty much everything ScaRZ ever put out - Micheal, David, Peter, etc..

I have given this a lot of thought over the past decade. And I spent three weeks traveling in Morocco years ago. That was a truly scary experience.

I would have to say that the "Allah" that many, if not a majority, of Muslims apparently worship, is not entirely like who I see as the Creator/Source/God. Their Allah appears closer to the ancient Hebrews (pre-David) view of God.

However I would add... I have a book written by an American University Professor, who is Muslim. It's called "The Wisdom of Islam". From it I found that there are Muslims who define their "Allah" in very much the same way as I understand the Bible defines "God". I would suspect they are considered overly liberal by most of their fellow Muslims. And probably even persecuted by the desert dwelling Muslims. Their Allah verges on Evil compared to our western world's biblical God.

Nib wrote:
Is he {obama}even a true believer in the Christ? There seems to be enough evidence out there that he is not.

Yes, no doubt a quandary.
He may have just picked up 10% of the vote. But he probably gave up 30% to get it.

So what would be his intent in doing such a thing? http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Columns/2013/01/23/Our-National-Debt-An-Odyssey-that-Speaks-Volumes.aspx#page1 It's obvious he's a socialist at best.

I have mixed feelings.

Run away inflation is an obvious concern. Like a wheelbarrow of $100 bills to buy a loaf of bread. Prophecy?

On the other hand,
USDs are the international trade currency for Oil, Gas, Arms Trade, Illegal Drugs, and numerous others goods. That's Trillions! Consequently the majority of USDs are held by foreign people, companies and nations.

Now, even though they use USDs for limited trade (or as savings) within their countries, it is not the official currency of any country other than USA and its protectorate colonies. And so, all those trillions have to eventually revolve around back to America, to trade/exchange for American Goods and Services. And when they do, they surely want their USDs to buy value equal to what it cost them in the first place. So they don't want the USD to have runaway inflation or they loose it all too. As long as the world is hooked on USDs, the US have perpetual customers = buoyed up market economy.

And eventually the US will own the world by default.

In the meantime, we have nothing to worry about. Until all hell breaks loose. Which is historically prone to happen.

Toss a coin.

You make some very good points Jake in regards to the USA as well as The President. The people of the many counties on this earth view the USA through the actions and words of The President. If we (Americans) are really honest we view them the same way......"Through the words and actions of their leaders." It may not be fair as a whole but that's just it plain and simple.

As far back as we can look into the past,it's always been the same. Of coarse in our time frame that we live the leaders just have bigger toys to play with. As you mentioned Jake we now have at several leaders disposal toys that can obliterate nations. The toys aren't only toys of warfare but also toys of currency.

When everybody gets some free time you need to listen to these. It really fits in well with some of the material we've talked about recently. I don't want to give anything away,so I will leave it at that.


Canaanite altars and the Federal Reserve

Part 1
http://blogtalk.vo.llnwd.net/o23/show/4/245/show_4245677.mp3


Part 2
http://blogtalk.vo.llnwd.net/o23/show/4/257/show_4257937.mp3

ScaRZ,
In my haste to complete my posts yesterday, I hadn't noticed this post.

ScaRZ wrote:
"Braveheart", I have it in my collection....."Great movie". My all time favorite still remains "Apocalypse Now".

So you Jake see me as the "Warrior". When I think of great warriors in The Bible,the first three that I think of are Joshua,Caleb,and Michael The Archangel.

Yes, a warrior for right cause.
I don't know much about your private life. You keep this reserved and I respect that. I don't know if you are currently a leader of others or if you think of yourself as so gifted. But if Tribulation should begin and society is radically disrupted, I see you as being lifted up as the Elder Shepherd of a flock.

Your controversial post I read yesterday,but decided I would stay out of it. I'm not afraid to voice my opinion,but wanted others to give their thoughts. I see nobody stepped forward.

Isn't innocent blood always shed?

I feel sorrow for this whole world.

I'm also not sorry for stating things I stand firm on.

Every single moment we need to all be watching.

It seems everyone on this forum is worried for the world. We share this in common.

ScaRZ wrote:
....The people of the many counties on this earth view the USA through the actions and words of The President. If we (Americans) are really honest we view them the same way......"Through the words and actions of their leaders." It may not be fair as a whole but that's just it plain and simple.

So true.

When everybody gets some free time you need to listen to these. It really fits in well with some of the material we've talked about recently. I don't want to give anything away,so I will leave it at that.


Canaanite altars and the Federal Reserve

Thanks, I'll listen to it tonight.

Excellent web site of Chris L. Lesley. Everybody needs to check it out.

Greater Ancestors

http://greaterancestors.com/

Chris Lesley is an artist and sculptor.

http://suite101.com/article/artist-sculptor-chris-lesley-a175851

@All:

I’ve been trying to devote some time to reading several books that all arrived within a two week period.

I should be concluding: Lights in the Sky & Little Green Men: A Rational Christian Look at UFOs and Extraterrestrials in the next day or so. So far, it has been a predictable read.

I spent several hours today listening to some lectures by Alan Watts. This quote from him seemed poignant today:

"Inability to accept the mystic experience is more than an intellectual handicap. Lack of awareness of the basic unity of organism and environment is a serious and dangerous hallucination. For in a civilization equipped with immense technological power, the sense of alienation between man and nature leads to the use of technology in a hostile spirit---to the "conquest" of nature instead of intelligent co-operation with nature."

Two other reads in the mix are:

http://www.amazon.com/Shocked-Bible-Astonishing-Facts-Youve/dp/0849920116
http://www.amazon.com/UFOs-Exopolitics-New-World-Disorder/dp/1470077825
Then I will rejoin into the fray – so to speak.

MD02 wrote:@All:

I’ve been trying to devote some time to reading several books that all arrived within a two week period.

I should be concluding: Lights in the Sky & Little Green Men: A Rational Christian Look at UFOs and Extraterrestrials in the next day or so. So far, it has been a predictable read.

Hugh Ross.
Yes, a good friend of GfC and RtB. Dan Smith's stomping grounds.

Smart man, sensible fellow. Too bad he hasn't dared step over the far side with a little more faith. Can't quite measure up to a mustard seed. Oh well, such the way things are during these "cusp days".

Lucy Babe is billions of light years ahead of him. And Lu has the whole camp in his hands. Even though they would never think Lucy would be sharper then them. "Mice and men", comes to mind.

C'est La Vie. They'll never listen to JC. He preached a 'Kingdom Come' and most all his Evangelical children are preaching a 'Great Tribulation'. When will they ever get it?

Meanwhile, Lucy has the church by the tail.

"They're NOT Demons, Stupid!", said the Jake down by the riverside. But few want to hear about the Millennium. "The Sky is Falling, the Devil Has Arrived" makes a much catchier Headline.

Someday, I'll have to sit down with Hugh. And a few other contemporary off-the-mark Gunslingers. Need teach them a thing or two about how the foxiest of all snakes swiggles the fanciest two step.

I'll enlighten them....

Preaching 'UFOs are Demons', is the surest way to reduce the number of those written in the book of life. Grand Slam for Lucy.

Sorrow of sorrows. Tough cup to bear.
G-d's will be done.

Jake Reason wrote: They'll never listen to JC. He preached a 'Kingdom Come' and most all his Evangelical children are preaching a 'Great Tribulation'. When will they ever get it?

Jesus Christ also preached on the subject of his coming and to watch for the signs that will proceed his coming. It wasn't only a one way street if you take in account all his teachings. Jesus Christ wants his believers and followers to be prepared for all the thorns as well as the roses.

I certainly understand what you are attempting to convey. I agree that we don't hear enough about The Kingdom.

Something I think about often is what the universe was like before the rebellion took place. The Kingdom of God is not just a kingdom here on earth but a kingdom in the whole cosmos. Just in our on speck in the cosmos,was there life on all the planets? Was there life on all planets throughout the cosmos?

I see the whole cosmos that is in decay as once having order. God did not create confusion and decay. The Angelic realm,The Sons of God failed at their stewardship of the cosmos. I believe re-born mankind (Sons of God) are about to stewardship the cosmos. We are about to truly "Image God".

Oh, so much to catch up on. Thank you all for the welcomes. I have so many irons in the fire and so small a time to be on here. Trying to catch up with the first page and the links just in this topic. So if I don't post it's because I don't know what is going on.
Thank you all, especially ScaRZ for reviving this subject.

Nice to see you here, Victorian.

ScaRZ,
I used the word "Preach" to define, as 'Jesus' always Preached to the multitudes/people - Kingdom Come. He refrained from warning them of tribulation to come. Reserving to teach only his chosen Sheppard's of Sheppards (Apostles) privately of those things to come. And the odd time he warned the Temple Priests with snippets, purposely leaving out the details. However when Preaching, it was always about the Good News.

All to often Preachers are inclined to scare people into salvation, rather than encourage an understanding of the greatest hope, that virtually everyone would be drawn to.

The Great Falling away has already happened over the past century. The churches are now few and most have been bulldozed for new subdivisions and shopping centers.

I believe a predominant cause has been "fear preaching" rather than the Good News Preaching as 'Jesus' exemplified.

Yes,you are correct his Sheppards (Apostles)and Disciples went out into the earth and spread the good news. They also had much to teach the world about those private teachings of Jesus Christ to his Apostles. If you become a disciple of Jesus Christ you need to understand the signs and not be deceived by the antichrist spirit.

The Bible is full of books and teachings of his Sheppards (Apostles) that certainly are attempting to enlighten people of the thorns as well as the roses.

You don't always reach the unsaved people the same way. You can reach one person a certain way that you can't reach another. What brought me to The Lord worked for me,but it may have not worked for you. Some of us need tough love and others don't.


Jude 1 20-23

But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,

Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.

And of some have compassion, making a difference:

And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.

Jake Reason wrote:
Hugh Ross.
Yes, a good friend of GfC and RtB. Dan Smith's stomping grounds.

Smart man, sensible fellow. Too bad he hasn't dared step over the far side with a little more faith. Can't quite measure up to a mustard seed.

Re:Lights in the Sky & Little Green Men: A Rational Christian Look at UFOs and Extraterrestrials

Rational consisted of numerous uses of: UFO cults and conspiracy theorists. Seems rational enough for this song to pop into my head that I have not heard in years, and I am No fan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7xjYeWOhbU

The book also basically stuck to 'traditional' physics neglecting Exotic physics, (quantum) failing to discuss its potential. Two chapters were basically how rare life is the universe is according to 'mainstream' science.

And Jake was correct - at the conclusion of the book they basically stick with the IDH/SDB (Interdimensional Hypothesis / Supradimensional Beings) Basically – DEMONS. To their credit, they seemed to portray their belief that there is something to the UFO enigma and admitted parallels with biblical accounts, but only back to Demons again.

One chapter is titled: “Defense Against UFOs” – I kid you not. Apparently, the membership here is in for a fine deal of trouble when we have reached the limits of our fleshy frames.

The chapters on Abductees/Contactees is no more glorious. They are channelers of demonic messages. I should remind them, that many of their most cherished worldviews exist from ‘witnessed accounts’, and states of dream-like visions from Holy beings. Is this just a case of: ‘My Supradimensional stories from antiquity are better than yours from today?’

Interestingly enough, not one credible whistle-blower account was even mentioned or discussed, but then again the book went to print in 2002.

Still, it was not an exercise in futility because it did reinforce what I suspected as the rational approach traditionalists will generally take.

I will stand by my earlier assessment that most Christian’s leaders today are no different than the Jewry of Christ-time. A new Priesthood in a different day lays the blame and takes to shun and persecution.

A great many have come to accept that salvation is personal and is obtainable within the temple given to us from the time we have been plucked from the womb. It has always been within - when so many are looking out. Personal Salvation no longer requires a priest, an expert historian and storyteller, it requires personal conviction.

Still, some require such guidance, in a confusing world. I will share a story of such when time permits. With all this in mind, I know they are inherently good people and most likely all my seniors, so perhaps I should pay a bit more attention?

Dan’s stomping ground?!? Now there is another thing to ponder.

ScaRZ wrote:
You don't always reach the unsaved people the same way. You can reach one person a certain way that you can't reach another. What brought me to The Lord worked for me,but it may have not worked for you. Some of us need tough love and others don't.

Yes, well said.
This world is really messed up.

MD,

Thank you for your book review. 2002, eh? I hadn't looked at that. Those were back in the days of dial-up 56k. A time when accessing knowledge/reports still required alot of legwork. The book is long past out-of-date. I wonder if Hugh Ross may have grown to revise his position at all.

I look forward to reading your story MD, when you have a chance.

Dan’s stomping ground?!? Now there is another thing to ponder.

He has been hoping to change their minds on some matters, while getting a bird's eye view of their world. He doesn't know Hugh Ross personally, just a mega-church that supports his ministry.

Jake Reason wrote:I wonder if Hugh Ross may have grown to revise his position at all.

He has been hoping to change their minds on some matters, while getting a bird's eye view of their world.

Revised positions? Anything is possible, I suppose. Still, they may be dead on or dead wrong. The rational approach did seem a bit disengenous. I have a suspicion all whistleblower accounts would be swept into the 'cannot be substantiated' or 'US technology' argument. Where's my mustard seed when I need it?

And I have been attempting to rationalize his view of their world, without the threats of arrest.

This is short tale from an exceptionally kind woman that I work with.

She is an extremely spiritually minded African American in the fifth decade of her life who was until recent, working two jobs while trying to finish a basic degree that would allow her to further her ambitions in caring for people within a healthcare/outreach setting. We have spent countless hours in the past years discussing all things including racial and religious topics generally left untouched. She amazed me early on with a spiritual gift in reading people through their handwriting – echoing a phrase to my astonishment I had grown accustomed to in my life, but never shared.

For the last decade of her life she has fallen away from the Church, attending to be more accurate, for many of the same reasons I hear from others. Fear preaching, judgmental, shunning, social cliques, hypocrites, church fathers living in excess, whispers within the pews, and many more. Did she see a Pit of vipers? Still, within this separation ‘forsaking the assembly’ was a phrase that was of great contention to her.

She asked me rather surprisingly; if I thought MLK was assassinated by our own government and I asked if she thought JFK was. Conversation ensued. The thought of this being a possible reality was more than she could bear. “IF that is the truth, I don’t want to know it! I can’t even think about that. I just want to live my life!” Then she inquired about the possibility of an Illuminati controlling what people thought as a reality. “I don’t think I would want to know the truth!” was yet another reply.

She then opened up, sharing private details about her extended absence from work for over a month. A few weeks away from graduation she had a nervous breakdown and quit her degree of pursuit. She broke down emotionally while trying to find a home for another single mother with three children who were all under that age of ten and by their appearance had not bathed in quite some time, no father around. A reflection from her past was all it took to cripple a spirit so close to God, but so far from the church.

I asked her, if you did not have to concern yourself with money anymore, what would you do? “Outreach programs within the inner city helping bring people closer to God so they could help themselves.” was the reply. She did lament as to the nature of ‘her people’ with great regret from her heart that is oftentimes reported.

I implored her to consider her spirit and the manner in which it closes its eyes to many of the truths she cannot bear.

In knowing that we are spiritual beings experiencing life in a physical sense, I asked: When you are gone from your walk within the flesh - what will your spirit have learned if you refuse to seek the truth in all things? Will it be more – or less complete? Will it have learned all that it could – all that it should have but did not because you allowed fear to prevent you gaining truth? Would a spiritual being stumbling across humanity seek to understand all things and help guide or close its eyes – only to move away? Will you also move away in your tomorrow-time unable to bear the burden?

Sometimes truth is more than some spirits can bear.

At the end of the discussion I suggested to her that perhaps it was time for her to reconnect with the ‘assembly’ despite the prevailing issues. Being away from her ‘home’ could have also been about finding herself in the painful reflection of another’s eyes, instead of faith. Guidance is not always a bad thing – in moderation. Sometimes it is best to follow the winds.

ScaRZ wrote:When everybody gets some free time you need to listen to these. It really fits in well with some of the material we've talked about recently. I don't want to give anything away,so I will leave it at that.

Canaanite altars and the Federal Reserve

Part 1
http://blogtalk.vo.llnwd.net/o23/show/4/245/show_4245677.mp3

Part 2
http://blogtalk.vo.llnwd.net/o23/show/4/257/show_4257937.mp3

Holy Schmokes! I surely wasn't expecting that!

Just finished listening to Part 1.

This is a game changer for me. I never would have thought 2008 was an intervention.

Perfect timing too. ScaRZ, it's no coincidence you shared this here. Bless you.

Taking it to the Father in prayer.


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Notes for record:
Wed, Jan 9, 2013
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/revolutionaryradio/2013/01/10/canaanite-altars-and-the-federal-reserve

Tim Bence, Oklahoma?
Jekyll Island Club Hotel
http://www.jekyllclub.com/

Significant brain activity' in comatose Ariel Sharon



http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/28/world/meast/israel-sharon-brain-activity/index.html

ScaRZ wrote:When everybody gets some free time you need to listen to these. It really fits in well with some of the material we've talked about recently. I don't want to give anything away,so I will leave it at that.


Canaanite altars and the Federal Reserve

Part 1
http://blogtalk.vo.llnwd.net/o23/show/4/245/show_4245677.mp3


Part 2
http://blogtalk.vo.llnwd.net/o23/show/4/257/show_4257937.mp3

Is the first time this story has been told, Scarz?

The reason I ask is that several parts of this story I have already seen or heard, and to be honest, I think it was in a dream or I just had a dejavu episode.

Truly an odd feeling here.
Time to go Dream.

Hey guys great to hear you both (Jake,MD02) have listened to the Tim Bence interviews. MD02 this was the first time it was brought to my attention.

At Future Congress 2013 Peter Goodgame introduced Rob Skiba to Tim Bence. Peter and Rob sat at a table and listened to Tim Bence talk for "6 Hours". After hearing about how it moved Peter and Rob I knew I needed to listen to the interviews....."Part 1 as well as Part 2".

Tim Bence drew me into the interview within a few minutes. He comes across as just a down home person. He is so soft spoken and in my opinion not in it for anything other than informing us.


The sifting of Peter by The Adversary (Satan) was brought up in Part 2 when Tim Bence talked on the subject of spiritual warfare. It got me thinking of a post I made in the old thread on that subject.

The devil is coming to sift all of us. When Jesus is with his disciples at the last supper. Read what Jesus tells Peter about Satan (The Adversary).

Luke 22:31-32

And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat:

But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.


Satan is about to come after Peter and find every weak spot he has. The chaff must be blow from the wheat.

Jesus has already prayed for Peter to give him strength that his faith will not fail him. Not Peter himself, but Peter's faith. Once Peter has endured and turns back the devil he is to be the one The Lord trust to strengthen the other disciples.


When one overcomes he gains strength to help strengthen others.

Jesus with his timing certainly knows Peter is about to deny him.

Three times Peter denies his Lord........"I know not what thou sayest."........"I do not know the man."........"Then began he to curse and to swear, saying, I know not the man. And immediately the cock crew."

Matthew 26:75........"And Peter remembered the word of Jesus, which said unto him, Before the cock crow, thou shalt deny me thrice. And he went out, and wept bitterly."

Peter wept bitterly for denying his Lord and must have carried with him a dark cloud of depression. I'm sure Satan continued sifting Peter hitting hard at any weak spots he could find. But Peter did overcome and gain much strength. The chaff was blown from Peter.

MD02 wrote:

The reason I ask is that several parts of this story I have already seen or heard, and to be honest, I think it was in a dream or I just had a dejavu episode.

Truly an odd feeling here.
Time to go Dream.

That is a wow! moment isn't it. Do you have many dreams you feel are attempting to speak importance to you?



I want to thank you for posting your above material about the exceptionally kind woman that you work with. It brought many things to my mind while reading.


Just sitting around talking to people I come away feeling a large majority want to live their lives and not dwell too long on what awakens them to the real world. Attempt to feel good as long as you can at any cost.

We can only push things away so long. It continues to eat at us like a cancer gaining ground. One way or the other we can only hide,or run so long. All anyone needs to do is look at how many people are pill/drug junkies. We humans will try anything to escape the real issues that haunt our very souls.

We were born into tribulation and must learn to face it head on. We can't hide or run from it,or tribulation multiplies deep within us.

We now think a pill/drug is "The" answer. A pill/drug to manipulate the brain,force it to counter what your very soul is screaming for.

Jake Reason wrote:
Holy Schmokes! I surely wasn't expecting that!

Just finished listening to Part 1.

This is a game changer for me. I never would have thought 2008 was an intervention.

Perfect timing too. ScaRZ, it's no coincidence you shared this here. Bless you.

Taking it to the Father in prayer.

I'm going to share something with you. When I listened to Part 1 it just blew me away. That audio file is packed full of information that brought to light so many things for me. The whole crossing of boundaries and how it all ties together. Jesus turning the tables over in the Temple was like I finally understood what it was about for the first time. The blood sacrifice of babies on alters and the curse of the lands.

That night after I listened to Part 1 I had a hard time sleeping. I was planning on posting a link to the interview on OMF the next morning and during the night as I tossed and turned something almost talked me out of posting it.

Early the next morning while praying I knew I was being moved by The Lord to post it. I was to do it and not worry. Those chosen to listen will listen and gain from it. Even those who fight it are chosen and gain. So Jake you are correct,it was no coincidence that I shared it here.