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The Bible, UFOs, ET and the Ancients Part 3

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Re: The Bible, UFOs, ET and the Ancients Part 3

Post by Admin on Wed Jul 18, 2012 12:29 pm

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Hi ScarZ,

Thank you for posting this information. Does any of David Flynn's material give any idea to the time-frames for the early events or historical figures that his research indicated?


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Re: The Bible, UFOs, ET and the Ancients Part 3

Post by ScaRZ on Fri Mar 23, 2018 6:38 am

Peeranormal 10: Interview with Jack Brewer

http://www.peeranormal.com/podcast/peeranormal-10-interview-with-jack-brewer/

Jack Brewer is the force behind the excellent blog, The UFO Trail. Since 2009 Jack has devoted considerable time to researching the connections between elements of the alien abduction narrative, hypnosis techniques used to “recover” memories of the alleged abduction experience, and research programs and personnel associated with documented government mind control programs such as MK-ULTRA. These connections are well documented in his book The Grays Have Been Framed: Exploitation in the UFO Community. Jack shares elements of his research in this interview.

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Re: The Bible, UFOs, ET and the Ancients Part 3

Post by Guest on Fri Mar 23, 2018 9:08 pm

It's not 'alleged abductions', they have been proven beyond any doubt because of PTSD and all the physical evidence, particularly the recovery of implants.

The title is contradictory since how can the Greys be framed if they don't exist, according to  his idea? The whole idea is simplistic and entirely speculative, ignores most of the evidence, and falls apart given the fact that many abductees remember the events consciously, and abductions go back at least many centuries, and the reports tell of 'elves', which fit the short Greys.  

And the diagnosis for Emma Woods by Jacobs was deliberately fictitious.  Also, what the unnamed host says about Roswell is nonsensical because the earlier debris was not described as anything unusual. And he mentions Nick Redfern, who has little credibility.
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Re: The Bible, UFOs, ET and the Ancients Part 3

Post by ScaRZ on Sat Mar 24, 2018 11:13 am

Why can't we trust what we see?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/8617945.stm

The human memory can be impressive, but it is equally prone to letting us down. Now groundbreaking research has revealed the extent of just how fragile it can be - and how to use it better.

You're in the pub and trouble starts. There is shouting, someone is stabbed, they die. It happened right in front of your eyes and the police want to speak to you. But what exactly did you see?

It's long been accepted that eyewitness testimony may not always be as reliable as it seems. The problem is people simply don't remember exactly what happened, say psychologists. The mind does not work like a video camera, nowhere in the brain is the perfect memory of everything that has been seen, in the order it happened.

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Good read IMHO.
I believe this article is very apt and must be considered where UFO eyewitness accounts are concerned.

I saw an armed robbery up close years ago with at least eight total witnesses and it was unbelievable how everybody viewed the gunman differently. I mean even the color and pattern of his shirt were completely different.
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Memory Conformity: Can Eyewitnesses Influence Each Other’s Memories for an Event?
Fiona Gabbert, Amina Memon and Kevin Allan


The current study investigated memory conformity effects between individuals who witness and then discuss a criminal event, employing a novel procedure whereby each member of a dyad watches a different video of the same event. Each video contained unique items that were thus seen only by one witness. Dyads in one condition were encouraged to discuss the event before each witness (individually) performed a recall test, while in a control condition dyads were not allowed to discuss the event prior to recall. A significant proportion (71%) of witnesses who had discussed the event went on to mistakenly recall items acquired during the discussion. There were no age-related differences in susceptibility to these memory conformity effects in younger (18–30 years) as compared to older (60–80 years) participants. Possible social and cognitive mechanisms underlying the distortions of memory due to conformity are discussed.

In conclusion, it is human nature for people to discuss their shared experiences, especially if they concern something out of the ordinary such as witnessing a crime. However, as the present results clearly demonstrate, if witnesses have discussed an event with one another then the police should take great care not to give undue weight to the consistency of their independent statements when judging their accuracy.

A striking example of how the memory report of one witness may influence that of another during discussion comes from an analysis of witness evidence in the Oklahoma bombing incident in 1995. The key evidence in this case came from interviews with witnesses who worked at Elliot’s Body Shop where Timothy McVeigh rented the truck used in the bombing. McVeigh was arrested for the mass murder but there was a question as to who, if anybody, was his accomplice. Three witnesses saw McVeigh when he hired the truck, one of whom claimed he was accompanied by a second man. Initially, the other witnesses gave no description of this accomplice; however, later they too claimed to remember details of this second person. Months later, the first witness confessed that he may have been recalling another customer. So, why did all three witnesses provide a description of an accomplice when McVeigh had actually entered the shop alone? It is likely that the confident witness unintentionally influenced the others, leading them to report that they also recalled this second man (Memon and Wright, 1999; Schacter, 2001). Indeed, witnesses admitted in testimony that they had discussed their memories before being questioned (Memon and Wright, 1999).


Memory Conformity: Disentangling The Steps Toward Influence During A Discussion
Fiona Gabbert, Amina Memo, and Daniel B. Wright


When two people see the same event and discuss it, one person's memory report can influence what the other person subsequently claims to remember. We refer to this as memory conformity. In the present article, two factors underlying the memory conformity effect are investigated. First, are there any characteristics of the dialogue that predict memory conformity? Second, is memory conformity differentially affected when information is encountered that omits, adds to, or contradicts originally encoded items? Participants were tested in pairs. The two members of each pair encoded slightly different versions of complex scenes and discussed them prior to an individual free recall test. The discussions were audiotaped, transcribed, and analyzed. Our most striking finding was that the witness initiating the discussion was most likely to influence the other witness's memory report. Furthermore, witnesses were most likely to be influenced when an additional (previously unseen) item of information was encountered in the discussion.


Say It To My Face: Examining The Effects Of Socially Encountered Misinformation
Fiona Gabbert, Amina Memon, Kevin Allan and Daniel B. Wright


Objectives. Errors in eyewitness accounts can occur when a witness comes into contact with post-event ‘misinformation’. A common way to encounter misinformation is through face-to-face interaction, in particular, via conversation with other individuals who also witnessed the crime. The current research compares this kind of misinformation with the non-social post-event narrative method typically employed in laboratory studies.

Method. Young (17–33 years) and older (58–80 years) adults viewed a simulated crime event on video and were later exposed to four items of misinformation about it. The misinformation items were either introduced as part of a discussion about the event with a confederate or were embedded within a written narrative about the event that participants were asked to read. A questionnaire containing 20 items about the event was given to participants before and after the experimental manipulation.

Results. Participants were less accurate than controls on questionnaire items after encountering misinformation. More importantly, misinformation encountered socially was significantly more misleading than misinformation from a non-social source. This was true for both young and older adults.

Conclusion. Misinformation encountered socially produced more errors than misinformation from a non-social source. This finding has implications both for applied (forensic) and theoretical understanding of eyewitness memory.


Memory Conformity And Paranormal Belief
Krissy Wilson and Christopher C. French


The study found that a significant proportion of witnesses who had discussed an observed event with a co-witness reported items of information that could only have been acquired during the course of that discussion. These results replicate previous findings and demonstrate a robust memory conformity effect. It was not found that believers in the paranormal were more susceptible than non-believers to memory distortion for a non-paranormal event.
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Re: The Bible, UFOs, ET and the Ancients Part 3

Post by Cyrellys on Mon Mar 26, 2018 12:14 am

Part of the problem in discernment & sorting out the situ, is that we have not only human corruption going on here, but also two types of predatory non-humans on the scene and three or so bystanding non-human races who's own investigations add to the muddy water.

Greys - nonHuman Opportunists & Genetic Farmers
Illumined - NonHumanHybrids - Predatory Soul-Suckers & Genetic Farmers

The Annunaki - Genetic farmers/Opportunists

The Pleiadians - Ascension Mentors
The Andromedans - Ascension Mentors
The Blue Avians - Planet Genetics Seeders

Silicon Lifeforms - Planetary System Engineers about the Cyclic Cataclsym

The Ancients (9 proto-races/Sephiroth) aka Wingmakers

The subterranean leftovers of the last two Great Tech Civs

General Human Corruption
Globalist Ideologs susceptable to Illumined steerage.

Human Mafia
Human Corporatists
Human USAP factions/SSPs & IC factions

Human Nation States
Human Social Engineering Groups

Ignorant Idiots dictating to societal facets

The semi-sentient planetary biome

Cosmic Cyclic Influences

God/Synchronicity/Universal Creative Consciousness

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That's a ton of hands in a single small cookie jar. Earth third rock from the Sun is a three-ring circus and everyone in the cosmic neighborhood wants in on our action it seems.





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Re: The Bible, UFOs, ET and the Ancients Part 3

Post by ScaRZ on Mon Mar 26, 2018 12:34 pm

I don't believe any one person understands the full nature of abductions. I don't believe every case is being done by what we call Aliens. I wouldn't put it past humans being in the mix of a good number of them. Very same thing goes with what we call UFO's.

I've never had any encounters with UFO's or Aliens to my knowledge.

I believe if we are being visited by Aliens most that are visiting us are what I believe are hybrid creatures.

I believe we must be very careful who and what we trust in the spirit world as well as those most refer to as Aliens. I believe the soul is a gift and must be guarded with all your strength. Remember your soul is who you really are,and once you give that up,you are no longer "You".

There is a great spiritual war that has been taking place for a very long time.

The Lord knows the beginning and the end,but the dark legions are as we, uncertain of all the details. Beings many of us refer to as Aliens don't know the exact details of the future either.
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Re: The Bible, UFOs, ET and the Ancients Part 3

Post by ScaRZ on Sun Apr 22, 2018 7:23 am

Who is doing the Disclosure? Can we trust the source from which we get Disclosure?

When a source discloses something it's just a revealing taking place. All prophecy in scripture is a disclosure or revealing of past,present and future events.

Does scripture speak of Aliens from other worlds coming to earth and in our present state helping us to live happily ever after?.....No!

Has God used Messengers (Angels) in scripture to reveal or disclose?......Yes!

God can and has used Messengers that aren't of this world.

Do these Messengers come from other planets?......We don't know! All we do know is that they are a part of God's host of the heavens.

Once a boulder begins rolling down the cliff it picks up speed very rapidly. The same picture of the birth pains as the woman is about to give birth.

I view Disclosure much in the same light. As the revealing continues,it will increase in swiftness until the final outcome.

Who really knows how many years remain?.........Nobody!

If the information or teachings become too popular and take center stage then be very watchful, it could turn out to be nothing more than "Fools Gold."

I look for new avenues to open up in our thinking on prophecy and it's meaning from the way most see it today but very few will be listening.

As we continue onward there will be a peeling away, layer by layer. The light will soon reach layers that have always been there but were never seen. The light will reveal them only when it is the correct time for fulfillment to be accomplished.

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