Immaterialism 7

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smelly wrote:You're not the judge of anything but yourself.

We can all give ourselves a break and be honest.

Platitudes are nonsense made by angry morons.

Please, oh please, somebody give this guy a Snickers.

I believe Kit-Kats are for breaks, not snickers.

smelly,

Honesty is only possible if one has a personal connection with the Logos....... with Sophia.

Sophia is the one who got me started in all this...... back in ‘77.

Ok Mr Logos, what is the truth?

Truth = love

Dan wrote:Sophia is the one who got me started in all this...... back in ‘77.

Yeah I know.

That's funny, Sophia is the one who got me started in all of this back in 2018

but that was dream land

the dream is over

I made a general statement we can all stay in our lanes and have our own personal experiences.

I'm honest, I don't have any moral sense of love for any thing or any one.

That was conditioned into me.

My feelings of love are for friends and family where I have built connections.

I do not love the world.

I know the substrate of being is love, not the feeling, and it flows like water between all particles.

That does not mean I like and love everyone.

We can not like each other, we can accept that and build on it or let those connections go.

I especially don't like moralizers or others telling others how to live.

We can allow 7 billion opinions on it.

Aaron,

Why deny the dream, if it is the best possible dream?

99 wrote:

smelly wrote:You're not the judge of anything but yourself.

We can all give ourselves a break and be honest.

Platitudes are nonsense made by angry morons.

Please, oh please, somebody give this guy a Snickers.

Let's all cool it on the moralizing platitudes.

Or don't.

You don't deny the dream, you just awake from it.

IMHO, being lucid blows the dream stories away.

But all have the choice of red or blue pill.

yes, we don't deny the dream

It is the best possible dream

you wake up and it blows away in the cool summer evening breeze

Our natural mind is clear, simple, and ordinary

You can come back to the stories anytime.

The cosmos speaks to us in verse.

From here, you can give your self everything.

No false story dream promises needed.

It seems best to assume all words are lies by nature of them being fictions.

People are very invested in their words, just fictions from my view.

What do you think of Jesus’s dream?

To become lucid one must invite the 'fear of the unknown' to tea

I think Jesus's dream is Jesus's dream

dan wrote:What do you think of Jesus’s dream?  

Fiction, just a koan, a personal fantasy.

Aaron,

Ok....... and was his dream possibly an essential part of our best possible Dream?


smelly,

And was it not possibly an essential part of our best possible koan?

Everything is essential

Isn’t that definition of love and the foundation of compassion?

The rider needs his chariot.

What do you do with this lucidity Dan?

John Lennon summed it up pretty good for me.

The dream is over.

Reality is my life here and I have to tend to it.

Stay connected to life.

smelly,

Everything is essential .......?

Yes, but........ we all need crib sheets, in order to get through life.

Just saying.......

And what I’m just sayin is...

Through Being here, no fiction of an afterlife or controlling jealous creator, the script just materializes when needed

You have to try it to know.

It’s the Magick part of life to me beyond logic or before it.

Coherence is fine, but not more essential.

No stress from expectations or prophecies needed.

This is what we may evolve to.

I dunno.

Lucidity works for me.

I’m about 1000% less anxious and angry about anything or one, but anger is essential too, when it appears.

Straight on.

Straight on........

I’m suggesting that, historically speaking, Jesus took lucidity in a whole new direction.......

Pointing straight at the Monad.

We aim to please. You aim, too, please, smelly.

There is only one dream and one dreamer

I can't think of anyone else's dream it would be other than the J-guys

but so what?

the dream is the dream

when you wake up from the dream there is just the immediate and ordinary arising of what is and isn't

just this

Aaron,

....... and so the Eschaton.......

Eschaton is their story...their dream

They can have it

I don’t aim, ha!

It’s a Zen thang