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Who's Disclosure is Disclosure?

Sun Apr 14, 2019 2:16 am by Cyrellys

The narrative war is in full swing. When there's a 100 different competing narratives, how is it possible to discern a disclosure?

Is it akin to which truth is Truth?




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    Post by hobbit Thu Nov 15, 2018 11:01 am

    Could Aaron and smelly please book a room?
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    Post by dan Thu Nov 15, 2018 11:03 am

    We should push and shove each other........ said by a true billy goat.

    Since when was Buddha depicted as a goat?
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    Post by SurfBum Thu Nov 15, 2018 11:10 am

    I cannot be pushed or shoved, I'm too quick.

    Hobbit want's to have a threesome.

    Back to Free Will....

    I have the free will to imagine anything I will.

    I am imagining a threesome with a hobbit and a smelly goat right now.

    When the hobbit is distracted with the goat I steal his One Ring, put it on my digit and disappear.

    Poof!

    Now you see me, now you don't.

    But wait, how does a hobbit sized ring fit on my digit?

    Simple, I steal a piece of mushroom from Alice.

    One side will make you grow larger, the other side will make you grow smaller...

    This is the hidden path to heaven...

    A Hobbit, A Smelly Goat, the One Ring, and some shrinking shrooms from Alice.

    Put it together and what do you got?

    bibbidi bobbidi boo

    You see that magic I just did?

    That's how you pop the Small World cherry
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    Post by SurfBum Thu Nov 15, 2018 12:16 pm

    For those of you still looking for the Small World, I'll give you a special sneak peek.
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    Post by hobbit Thu Nov 15, 2018 12:41 pm

    Aaron wrote:I cannot be pushed or shoved, I'm too quick.

    Hobbit want's to have a threesome.

    Back to Free Will....

    I have the free will to imagine anything I will.

    I am imagining a threesome with a hobbit and a smelly goat right now.

    When the hobbit is distracted with the goat I steal his One Ring, put it on my digit and disappear.

    Poof!

    Now you see me, now you don't.

    But wait, how does a hobbit sized ring fit on my digit?

    Simple, I steal a piece of mushroom from Alice.

    One side will make you grow larger, the other side will make you grow smaller...

    This is the hidden path to heaven...

    A Hobbit, A Smelly Goat, the One Ring, and some shrinking shrooms from Alice.

    Put it together and what do you got?

    bibbidi bobbidi boo

    You see that magic I just did?

    That's how you pop the Small World cherry






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    Post by Big Bunny Love Thu Nov 15, 2018 12:56 pm

    Dan, my style is more like Buddha meets fat Bodhidharma.

    I like to throw people off the balcony and jump on them and say, got it?!

    You are so easy to throw around Aaron, it’s my new favorite thing to do on OMF.
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    Post by hobbit Thu Nov 15, 2018 1:02 pm

    In the hobbit clip ……
    A man enduring the parkinsons affliction is riding a pig...
    Billy Connolley.

    I choose to assist Him, by comprehending the system.
    Others choose to bash heads together.


    You cannot fix anything without Knowing the system.



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    Post by SurfBum Thu Nov 15, 2018 1:32 pm

    I love it when you throw me around Smelly

    I help myself find my mind by helping myself loose it

    When I look for my mind I can't find it

    shrug

    There are two forms of Buddha I'm discovering

    There is pratyekabuddha and there is a Bodhisattva.

    I'm discovering this is what I have been hung up on the past week or so, trying to decide which one I want to be.

    hahahahaha

    I am a Bodhisattva and I've brought back a upaya.

    Smelly is my upaya.

    Really you can move back and forth between both forms freely as you feel, neither is better than the other.

    That's it, I figured out what I was hung up on.

    Yay!

    Ron and the Princess seem to be abiding in pratyekabuddha at the moment in their Small World but may dabble in Bodhisattva from time to time

    Smelly seems to be abiding in Bodhisattva, but dabbles into pratyekabuddha when he feels to take rest, or maybe he is moving instantaneously back and forth between both forms as his True Will dictates

    Okay, back to Now

    Bam!

    Wow!

    This video came to me and taught me about Bodhisattva/pratyekabuddha

    https://youtu.be/_h-FswIACKE
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    Post by SurfBum Thu Nov 15, 2018 2:27 pm

    The moment you start to seek a higher state of perfection is the moment you loose it.

    Bam!

    Smelly totally threw me off the balcony today. I cant stop sporadically laughing.

    Now!

    Now!

    Now!

    Now!

    I am one hell of Zen school.

    Muppets and pretenders are so funny.

    I am so funny.

    Smelly is a freak of nature
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    Post by Big Bunny Love Thu Nov 15, 2018 5:25 pm

    I have to say, when you comprehend hobbit, you know what to do.

    My favorite Dudes are the Zen Bodhidharma Trickster kind of Buddha.

    Remember Buddha is a state of mind.

    The Zen Buddhists to me are most natural mystics.

    They have their Easter Magic tradition as well.

    When saying Now, Now, Now, you got it exactly Aaron.

    Don’t think, now now now Wink

    It takes practice to not hurt yourself when you both fall of the balcony.

    I have not mastered it yet.

    The trick to learn is to always make sure when you land, your target is always under you.

    Bahahaha

    I’m always just playing.

    Don’t like my stylez, that’s your problem, develop your own.

    Improvise.

    Turn everything over.

    Let it all be turned around and sent in reverse.

    Round and round we spin.

    You can’t predict or anticipate me.

    I don’t know what I’m going to do my self Wink

    It’s kind of perfect.

    I just used this at work today to great effect and my target landed underneath me, I am improving, but then there is nothing improving.

    What a beautiful contradiction life is.
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    Post by SurfBum Thu Nov 15, 2018 5:47 pm

    We have reached escape velocity, 88 mph!

    It will be interesting to watch and see what True Will has in store for us  next.


    There is a sense of profound peace and love and expansion in IT


    The peach petals would like to stay,
    But moon and wind blow them on.
    You won’t find those ancient men,
    Those dynasties are dead and gone.
    Day by day the blossoms fall,
    Year by year the people go.
    Where the dust blows through these heights,
    There once shone a silent sea.
    -Cold Mountain

    "To practice magic is to be a quack; to know magic is to be a sage." -Éliphas Lévi

    This moment that I am experiencing Now is magick itself.

    I'm so happy because today
    I've found my friends
    They're in my head
    I'm so ugly, but that's okay, 'cause so are you
    We've broken our mirrors
    Sunday morning is everyday for all I care
    And I'm not scared
    Light my candles in a daze
    'Cause I've found god
    Hey, hey, hey
    I'm so lonely but that's okay I shaved my head
    And I'm not sad
    And just maybe I'm to blame for all I've heard
    But I'm not sure
    I'm so excited, I can't wait to meet you there
    But I don't care
    I'm so horny but that's okay
    My will is good
    Hey, hey, hey
    I like it, I'm not gonna crack
    I miss you, I'm not gonna crack
    I love you, I'm not gonna crack
    I killed you, I'm not gonna crack
    I like it, I'm not gonna crack
    I miss you, I'm not gonna crack
    I love you, I'm not gonna crack
    I killed you, I'm not gonna crack
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    Post by SurfBum Thu Nov 15, 2018 6:41 pm

    Bodiharma was a total Dude.

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    Throughout Buddhist art, Bodhidharma is depicted as an ill-tempered, profusely-bearded, wide-eyed non-Chinese person. He is referred as "The Blue-Eyed Barbarian"
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    Post by Big Bunny Love Thu Nov 15, 2018 8:56 pm

    Good timing. I wanted to type this out from my new tome...

    Magick - Book 4 - Liber Aba

    I am just loving loving Crowley these days. He is magnificent!

    I turned right to this passage today and it fit what we have said on OMF of course.

    ...

    “Thus “The Devil” is Capricornus, the Goat who leaps upon the loftiest mountains, The Godhead which, if it become manifest in man, makes him AEgipan, the All.”

    From Smelly: Yes I dared to bring the Goat into being, dared my self, and it is the Devil and it became a great key for me. I am a Capricorn after all, to a ‘T’ almost. Which is very strange but more evidence of things seen influenced by things unseen.

    “The Sun enters this sign when he turns to renew the year in the North. He is also the vowel O, proper to roar, to boom, and to command, being a forcible breath controlled by the firm circle of the mouth.

    He is the Open Eye of the exalted Sun, before whom all shadows flee away; also the Secret Eye which makes an image of its God, the Light, and gives power to utter oracles, enlightning the mind.”

    Smelly: Ummmm, you can decide for yourself if I enlighten your mind, I am the Light Bearer after all Wink Bahahaha, but this sounds awful familiar. This is all very amusing to me.

    It’s a trap!



    “Thus, he is Man made God, exalted, eager; he has come consciously to his full stature, and so is ready to set out on his journey to redeem the world.”

    Smelly: Please God, NO, do not forsake me now.

    “But he may not appear in this true form; the Vision of Pan would drive men mad with fear.”

    Smelly: Interesting. Scary. He came to me in a psychadelic torpor and never left. He came close to me. Cause I had goat balls and he likes that and I was a stubborn muppet. So he was like, I’m gonna show that boy who he is. The rest is history Wink

    “He must conceal Himself in his original guise.

    He therefore becomes apparently the man that he was at the beginning; he lives the life of a man; indeed, he is wholly man. But his initiation has made him master of the event by giving him the understanding that whatever happens to him is the execution of his True Will.”

    Smelly: I fully accept my True Will. Do what thou thou wilt. Love under will.

    “Thus the the last stage of his initiation is expressed...

    We see moreover that it can only make use of its powers, fulfill the possibilities of its nature, and satisfy its equations, by thus combining with its counterparts. Its existence as a separate substance is evidence of it subjection to stress; and this is felt as the ache of an incomprehensible yearning until it realizes that every experience is a relief, an expression of itself; and that it cannot be injured by aught that may befall it. In the Aeon of a Osiris it was indeed realized that Man must die in order to live. But now in the Aeon of Horus we know that every event is a death; subject and object slay each other in “love under will”; each such death is itself life, the means by which one realizes oneself in a series of episodes.”

    Smelly: WOW, that’s some writing there Crowley. Parzival wins the Lance, hopefully not up his bum. This man Crowley makes me weep. For I know myself through his life and words. Reading him makes me feel hope that I am not a crazy weird alone goat. There was another that felt the beat of my own heart. Son of a bitch that he could be. He was The Beast after all. Can I do him better?! I shall apply myself 10 fold, no, 100 fold toward my aim. I am in awe at the way we are loved and can love.

    “This yod the Virgin expands to the Babe in the Egg by formulating the Secret Wisdom or Truth of Hermes in the Silence of “The Fool.” He acquires the Eye-Wand, beholding and acting and being adored. The inverted Pentagram—Baphomet—the Hermaphrodite fully grown—begets himself on himself.

    Note that there are now two sexes and one person throughout so that each individual is self-procreative sexually, whereas Isis knew only one sex, and Osiris thought the two sexes opposed. Also the formula is now Love in all cases: and the end is the beginning, on a higher plane.”

    Smelly: We all have to be someone in the small world. I honestly think I’m Pan incarnate. It feels that way to me. I laugh at the ribaldry.

    Bahahaha

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    I am having some fun here as smelly the atomic goat.

    A WARNING

    “Yet all this will be nothing but his fool’s face of Narcissus smirking up from the pool that will drown him.”
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    Post by GSB/SSR Fri Nov 16, 2018 6:35 am

    3.2m SWH

    A New Super Earth in the Neighborhood (Six Light-Years Away)

    https://exoplanets.nasa.gov/news/1533/discovery-alert-a-new-super-earth-in-the-neighborhood-six-light-years-away/



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    Post by SurfBum Fri Nov 16, 2018 6:50 am

    Whatever happens to us is the execution of our True Will.

    You can either pretend to not be executing your True Will, or you can surrender to it and give up the fight.

    One of the biggest obstacles we must learn to overcome is our constant desire to please others.

    The student wants to make the master proud and act or behave a certain way to show the master they have learned the lesson, but this is not the way.

    You must learn to act without acting. 

    You must not anticipate your actions beforehand.

    When much of what you do or say becomes a surprise to you then you are free and unincumbered by illusions.

    When you live without regret or expectations you begin to truly shine as an individual and nobody controls you but you. 

    When you find harmony with the Wu Wei, your life becomes a Dali painting.

    Everything I am writing at this very moment is coming to me spontaneously.

    When I began writing this post I had no clue what I would write. I emptied my mind and it just began flowing freely.

    This is something that can be practiced in writing and then used as a model for your entire way of living.

    This is living in the NOW NOW NOW!

    It is beyond all concepts or judgements. 

    I think very few push themselves this far into the Present Moment.

    I am grateful for Smelly's lessons in this regard but I idolise no one. A true goat has no Idols but is never proud him/herself.

    The higher we ascend on Cold Mountain the more humbly we must walk.

    How does one find true humility?

    Doing not-doing is the only true way I think.

    The left hand must not know what the right hand doeth, this is the great secret.

    There is no other master but You. 

    You live to please no one but yourself.

    Forget the nonsense about selfless living.

    Be completely selfish and you will truly embody the spirit of giving and sharing and loving to all who cross your path.


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    Post by dan Fri Nov 16, 2018 6:51 am

    Thanks, Gary,  

    I’m not sure what a super Earth is.  Is it somewhere that we’d want to live?  


    I was debating with Foot about a possible debate with BobK.......

    BTW, BobK was expecting to be on KISS radio this evening.  I’m waiting to hear if Paul is going to have us on his alleged program.  

    According to Ron I was going to debate the Small World with Bob. Bob barely knows about the big one, much less the small one.  

    Maybe Bob would like the super Earth.  

    The only real news out of SL is BF, who may be a another link between TTSA and SL....... and now an acquaintance of Bob’s.  

    I was going to say that Ron was tilting away from his complete skepticism, but he does not accept that assessment.  He merely continues to support Joe personally, like he supports me, without endorsing our diverse predilections.  

    He could say that he just happened to fall in with the wrong crowd, when he was forced to take over Kit’s job.  Oh, well.  

    I’m not sure what Kevin is up to these days.  I think he’s traveling more.  Bob is more of a distraction from Kevin.  There’s no longer any talk about my getting mixed up out there.  

    Crowley was, of course, posturing as the Antichrist, but he wasn’t playing with a full deck.  I like his concept of true will.  He was trying to find his Princess.  Wu Wei and true will are not quite the same, but similar.  

    Is there a cosmic will?  There is an elan vital.  There is a survival instinct.  And where there’s life, there’s hope.  

    In modern times, personal hope is ok, you’d just better not hold out any larger hope.  It’s not polite.  


    11:50(gmt-4).........

    cw,

    It’s very unlikely that any existing paper trail will shed any light on the small world.  Big world stuff exists only as a cover.  


    Does God have true will?  Is there a God?

    There is an I Am, of some sort.  The first aspect of the cosmic potentiality/potency to exist is logically the I Am. The only phenomenon is an observed phenomenon.  

    Self identity comes before any other identity.  Self containment is the first act of sapience.  In some essential manner, sapience comes before sentience.  Sentience has no sense of time.  


    12:10........

    cw,

    May I remind you to click on the topic reminder, above?  

    The SWH is the preCopernican view.  

    The SWH is the essence of the BPWH....... etc, etc......

    It does beggar my imagination that many folks can hang around, and not have the slightest clue.  I’m sometimes tempted to say this of Foot, but I think he’s paid to have a clue.  


    The I Am gets bored and hallucinates.  We are those hallucinations.  

    And the hallucinations conspire to play pokatok.  That’s where our rabbit hole comes from.  Read all about in the original BPW website.  

    The basic problem is that ufologists have no clue about philosophy.  An exception would be some members of the Aviary and Grant Cameron, who wrote Managing Magic.  

    Present company of smelly and Aaron have done the philosophical homework.  



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    Post by cwallatruth Fri Nov 16, 2018 7:30 am

    Dan, Ron,

    Any comment?

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2018/11/16/julian-assange-wikileaks/2022766002/
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    Post by cwallatruth Fri Nov 16, 2018 8:04 am

    dan wrote:
    cw,

    It’s very unlikely that any existing paper trail will shed any light on the small world.  Big world stuff exists only as a cover.  

    Dan,

    I'm sure it's in some thread somewhere, but can you give me your definition of "small world" vs. "big world"?
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    Post by cwallatruth Fri Nov 16, 2018 8:35 am

    dan wrote:
    cw,
    Self identity comes before any other identity.  Self containment is the first act of sapience.  In some essential manner, sapience comes before sentience.  Sentience has no sense of time.  

    It does beggar my imagination that many folks can be hang around, and not have the slightest clue.  I’m sometimes tempted to say this of Foot.  
    (cont.......)

    Thanks, Dan.  I appreciate it.  One thing that does appear to be missing from your hypotheses and posts, like above, is the notion of "empathy".  This is where your and Smelly's egos truly shine in all their infinite glory.  To have such genius, and such understanding of "reality" and "truth", yet still not enough imagination to truly empathize with those less fortunate, is quite interesting.

    I search for clues in a place that provides clues wrapped in nothingness, so by definition, I will know nothing.  Your ability to communicate with folks like me could be all that is missing to regain your title of Discloser.

    But the question remains, once the self is identified, can it not then truly empathize with the other extensions of god (ie. everyone not = "Dan Smith")?  It would seem your imagination could handle such realities of OMF if you had such empathy.

    {...enter Smelly to throw me to the ground and jump on me to show me his all knowing truth}
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    Post by dan Fri Nov 16, 2018 8:43 am

    cw,

    Empathy........?

    Hmmm.........

    I’ve been doing this for 41 years, and where is my empathy.  Even God needs a little empathy, now and then.  

    I just wanted to get in out of the cold. I’m not complaining..... it goes with the job.

    I think smelly would agree that God helps those who help themselves.

    Lift a finger, cw. Push a button. The truth is at your finger tips.

    I slave away at this for 41 years. That’s my empathy.



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    Post by cwallatruth Fri Nov 16, 2018 8:45 am

    dan wrote:cw,

    Empathy........?

    Hmmm.........

    I’ve been doing this for 41 years, and where is my empathy.  Even God needs a little empathy, now and then.  

    .

    It may serve me to know your definition of empathy and what it means to you.

    I wonder how God views empathy.
    I think she would either not be able to have any, or she is nothing but empathy.
    One of those... no in between.

    What must it be like to be Dan...
    all his history...
    all his fears...
    all his enemies who've taken advantage or tried to hurt him....
    rushing through my veins ...
    to know him as I know the itch on my scalp.
    If we could all only feel each other's itches.... peace would reign.

    Is peace even a goal?
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    Post by cwallatruth Fri Nov 16, 2018 8:55 am

    dan wrote:cw,

    I think smelly would agree that God helps those who help themselves.

    Lift a finger, cw.  Push a button.  The truth is at your finger tips.  

    I slave away at this for 41 years.  That’s my empathy.  

    I'm pushing all kinds of buttons trying to figure out what 41 years of slavery has yielded. Are you teaching me to fish so that I can feed myself? I'm a visual learner though.... you would know that if you had empathy. Or must I be of the Dan school of learning if I want to pass through the portal?
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    Post by dan Fri Nov 16, 2018 8:55 am

    Peace........?

    I come not to bring peace. I bring the sword of truth. It cuts deeply.
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    Post by cwallatruth Fri Nov 16, 2018 9:03 am

    It is interesting that it is the sword of truth.
    We are a species that covets death and destruction.
    When we lay down our swords and renounce eye for an eye, the blindness can end.
    We need the best possible tactic.
    An olive branch of truth might just do the trick.

    Steady your swords
    So that they will all vanish
    Seeing world be born


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    Post by dan Fri Nov 16, 2018 9:07 am

    Olive branch of truth.......?

    An olive branch is something that you can refuse.

    I’m making you an offer that you can’t refuse.

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