Hello, Cy, OMF II - Part 2

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Portals abound........

Everything is a portal for everything else, and we are that for ourselves.  Everything is a microcosm of everything else.  

The quantum is physics' own portal.  

So, especially, is every work of art..... even every artifact, every bit of nature.  

But...... but what.......?

Well, we do need to move the world, we do need to turn ourselves on a dime.  There does need to be a MoAPS from materialism to immaterialism.  

And this MoAPS will require all of us to participate..... personally.  

There needs be a personal fulcrum..... it's not rocket science.  

And, guess what, sports fans, it so happens........ well, no, nothing has happened, not yet.  But I've been vouchsafed a glimpse of a possibility...... how it might all work out for the better, if not the best.  Yes, I'd be a candidate for the theoretician.  Is that so bad?  I've already said most everything I have to say.  The major points have been covered.  A bird in hand is worth a peacock in the bush.  

Why don't we just open the floodgates, and have a land rush?  Do we have to play peekaboo?  Well, if there is any rushing, it's likely to be in the reverse direction.  We first need to activate and tune our imaginations to the historical reality.  There will also be plenty of room for conceptualization.  


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Of course, there will always be spontaneous portals, but, especially at first, there will be a plethora of franchise operations.  Many organizations would have their proprietary access. For access to the wishing well, there will be groups like the make-a-wish foundation.  Longer term, it would become more like renting sunlight, however.  At that point, the return trip would be more limited.



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Thank you, Gary, for keeping us posted.......


And UT, yes, free will can be a philosophical nightmare.  


And here's what showed up in my mailbox, the other day, in its entirety.  It sounds like the first paragraph of a movie treatment....

The Intelligence Community was highly criticized for not cooperating more effectively to stop the 9/11 terrorists, but 20 years earlier the Intelligence Community did begin cooperating on a much greater threat...... one that could end the world, or perhaps save it in another form.  Acting on information shared amongst those involved and the President of the United States, the brightest and bravest from across the Intelligence community came together, seven individuals committed for life in the final struggle.  Each received a simple white envelope with their name on the outside and a small while card on the inside.  On one side was the name of a species of bird, on the other the words, "Welcome to the Aviary."  In the coming weeks, each would begin to learn about the others, some only by their bird names, and then all would receive the message, "[The V]isitor has returned."

Hey, I never got the engraved invitation.  Chicken Little must be a party crasher.  And, anyway, she didn't show up at the White House until two years later.  And would you pay nine bucks to see this movie?



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The older of the two UT organizations wants to see us get our act together, and apparently they're willing to help out in some ways. They're in communication with different civilizations across space-time, but are at war with a civilization they created thousands of years ago. They claim the outcome isn't guaranteed, and that neither is the future of humanity.

These two organizations have different philosophical views towards how life on the different Earths should be managed, but it's important to understand that neither of them is necessarily good or evil. Labelling organizations as advanced as they are as good or evil is a mistake; a mistake that was made even by the US government in the past.

The view of the greys towards life on Earth has changed over time. They no longer believe it is right to genetically manipulate an entire species. The other civilization has more relaxed views, and still wants to have its way with humanity, but they're up against the greys, which are strategically positioned within the Earth, and across different versions of Earth.

That's basically what we've been dealing with all along; aliens that aren't from outer space. This basic fact should have been public knowledge decades ago, and pretty sure mainstream science would love to know about some of this info that's being held by the US government.

If any PtB high up in the intelligence community believe that the public shouldn't know any of this because of the possibility of mass panic, and mass suicide, then they're mistaken. The reality is that people can adapt. In fact, they already have, thanks to rumours, the media, and gradual leaks over many decades. There's a lot of misinformation though, and I think it should be cleared up for people.

Dear UT,

Apparently you did not get the BPWH memo.......

To be helpful on this section of OMF, you need to be clear about whichever worldview you choose to employ in your contributions to this corner of the forum.  

Your working hypothesis appears to employ both UTs and ETs.  My bold claim is that, given the UTH, there simply is no point in dragging along the ETs.  The ETH is simply a useless appendage to reality.

I'm simply saying that the best possible world is personal.  The ETH is impersonal.  Your many-earth view goes back to Giordano Bruno.  Giordano looked up at the sky, and saw many worlds. He had the temerity to wonder why there should not be other worlds like ours.  He got burned at the stake, but his supposition is now the accepted worldview, amongst us moderns.  

I don't accept Giordano's hypothesis, because it simply doesn't make any sense, especially in the end.

We, moderns, are literalists about what we see, especially in the sky. UFOs have done very to change this literalism, amongst the broader public, which supposes that they are spaceships from those other worlds.


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Communication with beings across space-time can be done through telepathy. The UT organizations are both capable of this. As far as ETs physically go, we've never been visited. In other words, there are no extraterrestrials here on Earth.

UT,

I agree....... we've not been visited by space aliens.  

So then what......?  

The UTs, then, are space farmers, farming the myriad planets in this and in the infinity of other universes....... wonderful.  

But, then, UT, don't we have to ask...... what is the point of it all?

Is there any point...... any rhyme or reason to all these infinities?  Is there no teleology in play, in all this vastness?

In your earlier post, when speaking of your two UT civilizations, you speak of the older one as more 'advanced'.  The implication is that there is a notion of progress that applies, at the least, to the UTs.  

Right away, I have a problem with this........

By definition, the UTs exist beyond space. Do they not also exist beyond time? IOW, are they not denizens of Eternity? The general understanding is that, on the other side, the experience of space and time is ever so much more fluid.

Yes, it is not easy to contemplate such a realm. My grasp of it is tenuous, indeed.




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Personality, along with everything that's physical in the universe is apparently teleological, and is contained inside our collective mind.

The number of different Earths across dimensions is supposedly finite, not infinite. The vast majority supposedly don't have any life. If you were to visit certain ones, you may see animals that don't exist here on the Earth that we're physically located on. I'm pretty sure guys like Ron and Hal Puthoff are aware of this.

Worth mentioning that all of this is confirmable through remote viewing. The afterlife, the different Earths, the ultraterrestrial war etc. The only exception I can think of is some of the advanced technology that's being used by the two UT organizations. Ed Dames tried to view a weapons system that was onboard a craft, and found that there was something intentionally placed there that kept distracting him from it.

You speak of the 'physical' world as being contained inside of our 'collective mind'.  I certainly agree.  

You then fail to ask yourself the next question....... does the physical come from the mental, or the mental from the physical?  

In the BPWH, the most basic hypothesis is that it is mind over matter.  The physical order, such as it may be, is imposed by us, creatures, intersubjectively, just so that we may have a level playing field, on which our human drama may unfold historically.  The drama comes first, linear space and time simply provide the logical stage setting on which our drama may unfold.  But ultimately, UT, we are all just figments of God's imagination.  

We are just the manifestation of God playing hide and seek with herself, in her dreams.  We awake, at the logical conclusion of the Game.  This is our Telos.  In the end, God pulls herself together.  We awake to find ourselves one with God.  This is monistic idealism.  It is also Personalism.  

On this simplest of assumptions about the world, there is no need for multiple worlds.  

You tell me that you have seen other worlds with your own eyes, and I believe you and Ed Dames, with whom I've been personally acquainted.  

Everything we see around us is a source and outlet for our collective imagination, and that especially includes each other.  Ultimately there is just one Source and Outlet.  They are the Alpha and Omega of Creation, which happen to be personal, especially if one is a personalist.

Every spiritual tradition puts great store in our ability to interact with higher intelligences, which, to that extent, must be personal.

But, also, in almost every tradition, the ultimate Godhead is untouchable. This limit on familiarity between Creation and Creator..... this barrier..... is the Katechon.



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I believe that the universe has always existed inside the mind, and that the physical is defined by the mental. Basically, mind over matter.

Personality and physicality work together to logically serve the teleological function of the mind. When the body dies, the teleological function of the mind that binds personality to body is then no longer in works. One can then go into their own plane of existence, where physicality serves personality.

If you stay here as a ghost, you'll have to play by very strict teleological rules. For instance, you can't shape shift into an animal here and have the kind of physical effects you would expect from a "genuine" animal. That can only be done on the "other side", not here.

One potentially insightful metaphysical phenomenon is reincarnation. Apparently people have the option to be reincarnated if they deeply desire it. An ex-government remote viewer by the name of Lyn Buchanan found that some individuals are reincarnated into the past, not just the future. I thought that was pretty interesting.

In the BPWH, reincarnation is no option.  It is the law.  It is one of the main expressions of monism..... we are, everyone of us, the reincarnation of everyone else.  Ultimately, there is just one Person and One soul.  We, every last one of us, is time sharing the One cosmic soul.

Richard Feynman had the one electron theory of the universe.  Chicken Little has the One Soul theory.  The Quakers say there is that of God in each of us.  I'm just a bit more inclusive/exclusive..... what else could there possibly be?  Our rough edges.....?  All the better to precisely fit into the Cosmic jigsaw puzzle.  This is just another way to view Leibniz' PSR, principle of sufficient reason.  There is a reason for every one of our rough edges.  You'll see it in the End.  

Does this small world hypothesis (SWH) limit your imagination, UT?  Does it limit your free will.....?  

In your imagination, you see the second and third best worlds.  Those worlds accompany the Earth the way that virtual photons accompany the electron.  They are what give the Earth its mass and solidity.  

What is human potency, other than human potential.  Our potential is embedded in our imaginations..... or is it the other way?  

And what would personhood be, without our essential limitations?  And what are the limitations of God.  The best possible limitations are just the best possible world.  What would our imaginations be, without those limitations to transcend?  We are babies wrapped in swaddling clothes.  Those collective swaddles are just the Katechon.  Creation is our pressure cooker..... don't we know.  

All this, as you noted UT, is our preparation for our unfettered release.... beyond the event horizon of the Monad.  Your soul had better be well polished. You wouldn't want to show up at the Wedding Feast in your street clothes..... something new.... something blue.  

Those rough edges are just the facets of the diamond that you bring as your Wedding gift..... the pearl of great price.  

We tend to project our appetite upon God.  If a big Creation is good, wouldn't a bigger one be better?  Size matters..... not too big, not too small.  Guess what?  The Earth is just the right size.  If you don't see it now, you'll see it in the End.  


Yes, UT, the depths of space and time are impressive, indeed.  The LHC peers into the infinite depths of the atom.  We look into those depths, and what do we see?  Is it not our own Anthropic reflection?  Those mirrors are polished beyond imagining.  And who are the polishers?  It is you and I, UT...... all for the One, and One for all.  Welcome to the Monad.  

When we're not killing each other, Earth is about the communion of humankind.  With the killing, we have communion in blood.  

Why not have an interplanetary communion...... a universal telepathic communion?  We have now, six degrees of separation.  How many degrees might we add?  

Potentially, with God, we have just one degree of separation, even for a Multiverse.  But how would we manage all that magic, Grant?  

Management by Objective.....?  With a Multiverse, we have infinite Teloi.  The Mirror of Nature is broken into an infinity of shards.  It's very difficult to see any reflection.  

Well, we can keep waiting for that first SETI signal, or we can stick our heads through the portal.  Portals......?  Would they not answer many of the questions posed by science...... Who are we?  From whence do we come, and whither do we go?  


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The person is nothing without self-restraint..... without self-containment, there is no self.  We can pour ourselves into the infinities projected by science, but how do we fill..... how do we inhabit a bottomless pit?  How can we have a personal Creator, without a personal Creation?  

It's not enough just to have a personal Creator. We, the co-Creators, must be able to partake of an interpersonal communion. Inter-cosmic communion......? Where is the personal in that, pray tell?

While we're waiting for those SETI signals to come rolling in, why don't we take a look on the other side?

UT is here to tell us that he's seen, with his own eyes, the celestial fields stretching out to the inter-cosmic event horizons. Well, UT, before I throw my personalism out the window, may I request a second opinion? May I request that you spell out the personal advantages of the impersonal? Just wondering.......

But, hey, maybe he's right....... life is an absurdity in a meaningless universe.



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If by "existence being personal" you mean that reality is defined entirely by personality, then I would say that's a description of shangrila, not this universe that our personalities are presently playing their role in.

On this plane of existence, the effect of personality on the physical world is being limited by the mind's teleological function. So based on that, I would say the universe is partly personal, while shangrila is entirely personal.

Anyway, I agree that monism and idealism are keys to understanding existence. Like the saying goes; "we're all one"

I spent last night trying to figure out what you were saying, UT.....

I'm trying to translate what you're saying into what I'm saying.  

Is my way of speaking superior to yours?  It might be, for going forward.  I'm trying to be more technical...... more philosophical.  The MoAPS will entail a new way of communicating new concepts.  We need to be clear about which are the old concepts, and which are the new.  When trying to make a point, I'll often revert to the old, materialistic, dualistic ways of speaking, but I do so mostly with deliberation.  We can communicate more loosely, once we agree upon the basics.......

1.)  Persons = Sapients

2.)  #1 is all there is.  

Yes, this is the foundation of the BPWH.  Technically, this is called Personalism.  

In the 'real' world, what folks also call the 'physical' world, besides persons, there exist cats.  Kashmir is a cheetah on the other side.  But on the other side, she is a sapient cheetah.  

What about the cheetahs on this side.....?  Well, they don't talk.  However, my niece will swear to you that her cat is telepathic.  There are people who communicate with plants.  Well, I'd humbly suggest that, although cats have personalities, they are not sapients.  They are not persons, in any technical sense.  

So, which came 'first', sentience or sapience......?  
(Notice the 'scare' quotes that I use on 'first'.   In this instance, the quotes indicate that I'm speaking ontologically, rather than temporally or historically.)

Ontologically, neither one.  This is one of the many instances of co-dependent origination, CDO, a crucial part of the mnemonic, that is often referred to, qv.  

Sentience....... you see one color, you've seen them all.  Are there not fifty shades of gray?  Such distinctions apply mainly to sapience.  But, if you're Ronald Reagan, and, if you've seen one tree, you've seen them all.  True, and to that extent, I'm doubtful of his sapience.  

Also, in the mnemonic, I speak of symmetry breaking, SB.  SB is mainly cognized by sapience.  In fact, there is a corollary.......

1b.)  Sapience = Cognizance

Honey bees perceive color, but I'll wager that they have no such concept.  

But, wait, now I'm getting too technical......

What I'm driving at is that, among sentients, there is no objectification or individuation, not even of themselves..... especially not of themselves.  There is no self-awareness.  

Now, I'm sure that my niece would take great umbrage, bless her heart.  My goddaughter would take great umbrage.

Amongst sentients, there is no deliberation.  The is only totemic instinct, applied situationally.  There might be the conception of a flock, as there is of a tribe, say.  There is no speciation.  

Did not species arise through natural symmetry breaking.....?  No, I'm not a Darwinist.  I'm also not a Creationist.  I'm a CDOist. Isn't that being impersonal?  

There is a cosmic potency, potentiality.  This is where the vital force originates.  This potency is the origin of deep or logical 'time'.  In physics, virtual or potential photons are the source of the E&M forces.  

This cosmic potency is potentially omniscient.  The pleroma of this omniscience is just its omnisentience.  The species, in order to break the potentiality barrier, must be objectified and individuated.  

Did God have to personally individuate all 350,000 species of beetles....?  Booorrring........

No, we, creatures, did most of that heavy lifting, back in the dreamtime.  DNA and atoms were created teleologically, in the bargain, by our scientists of the future.  

Therefore, science exists in both the historical and logical/teleological dimensions of time.  This bi-dimensionality is especially obvious with regard to mathematics.  Much of science, I am told, is done by remote viewing the future.  It's sort of a push-pull operation...... ouroboric, a lot like our historical world, which is on the order of 24kyr in diameter.  

Deep space and deep time.......? They are the product of teleological time..... of cosmic intelligence, just like DNA.  


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So, UT, how far could the world around us have gotten without us....?

What I'm suggesting is that it could never have gotten off the ground.  

It could never have pulled itself out of the primal pleroma..... the originating 'quantum' phantasmagoria, with sapience.  Keep in mind that the sapience of personhood is holistic.  It has no overlap with Artificial Intelligence, despite the hoopla.  

Why, then, has the cosmic intelligence, CI, gone to such lengths to deceive itself/ourselves about the nature of reality?  The veil of Nature is simply the Katechon.  It's what keeps the lid on the pressure cooker we call Creation.  With the help of our Visitor, we are about to relieve that pressure slowly..... no fireworks, please.

The safety valve is about to kick in.  And trust me, it'll be very safe.  The are many layers of security in place..... many filters and buffers.  How do I know?  I know, because this is the best possible disclosure, in the best possible world, UT.  UT just can't believe that the sky will fall.  Believe, hon.  

It's just like that Flammarion engraving, where the traveler pokes his head through the sky........

One pill makes you larger, and one pill makes you small
And the ones that mother gives you, don't do anything at all
Go ask Alice, when she's ten feet tall
And if you go chasing rabbits, and you know you're going to fall
Tell 'em a hookah-smoking caterpillar has given you the call
And call Alice, when she was just small
When the men on the chessboard get up and tell you where to go
And you've just had some kind of mushroom, and your mind is moving low
Go ask Alice, I think she'll know
When logic and proportion have fallen sloppy dead
And the white knight is talking backwards
And the red queen's off with her head
Remember what the dormouse said
Feed your head, feed your head

Each interpersonal portal, as I'm told, is individuated...... into its own world, but all the worlds are connected.  You need an internal GPS.  

Each portal may have its own 'key/actuator'.  Many keys have been misplaced.  The keys need personal actuation.  There is an inside door that must be activated from the other side...... many layers.  

I suspect, UT, that the Elysian Fields you remotely viewed were some overview of these worlds on the other side.  

However, if you keep following the white rabbit, you end up back at the Source/Telos/Monad.  The Source is well beyond the cosmic event horizon.  You don't come back to tell the tale..... cosmic censorship.  

That sounds impersonal...... Well, the Olympiad may reside in this restaurant at the end of the universe.  You can check, but you can't check out @hotel CA.  

The Source is a hive. There is a queen bee. She checks out, as a neonate, as the Visitor.

Me? I'm just a portal virgin. Maybe I'd better check it out.


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When you say "visitor", are you referring to one of the telepathic beings that the CIA received?

One of..........  Hmmm, me thinks you're not doing your homework.  But, yes, it's in that ballpark.

And, yes, of course, there have been other visitors.  

What you need to understand is that this is not an experiment.  There is nothing comparable to what we have right here.  With teleology, experimentation makes no sense...... redundancy makes no sense.

The other worlds you see are on the other side.  Undoubtedly, they have special functions, relative to this world.  

The Avians began their search for the visitor. An Avian viewer searched the universe, past and present, for bits of information. An avian physicist examined gravitational wave anomalies from satellites orbiting the Earth. An avian medical doctor examined information from brain scans from the highest mountains on Earth. For a brief time, Avians joined together in the Working Group to compare notes and connect the dots. Then the youngest Avian was requested to attend a meeting at the White House. The President of the United States took a few minutes to joke about old times, then the Ambassador from Pakistan walked in to the meeting. The President and Avian listened as the Ambassador described growing up along the banks of the Vishansar Lake in Kashmir, and how a small child had been found floating within an invisible pod. He had taken this child into his custody, but he soon realized it was not an ordinary child. He then offered two gifts, the pod for the President, and the child for the Avian. She was just 5 years old so far during this visit, so he would continue to care for her. With his death, she would pass on to the Avian, and the final chapter would unfold.

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According to ex-NASA worker Harold Povenmire, we're going to see a near full disclosure at some point that'll help finally put the phenomena in the hands of academia. He didn't specify exactly when, but I'd imagines that if it were to happen soon, it would happen while Trump is still the president.

Earlier, you mentioned that China now wants to help out. Any idea what it is they're willing to help out with?

Kit Green explicitly identified 'suspect A' (as in 'A'-lien) as a biological entity ... or so he was allegedly told by sources he claimed were his seniors (CIA Director Richard Helms was his boss).

"It [contact] happened. One or two times."

UT,

In my experience, things never happen when you expect.....they're either sooner or later.  In this case I expect that it will be both.  

The question of the hour is whether DV or WM should be the producer.  DV does documentaries, WM does fiction.  DV has been closer to the Gordon story, but Kevin may be more comfortable with WM.

Frankly, I disagree with the current consensus toward a documentary.  Fiction gives you poetic license, and you could still have disclosure without Disclosure.  It might also take longer, but annotated screen treatments could easily fill that gap.  

Where's the problem?  

Yes, we do need to activate academia..... sooner than later.  We don't need no damn Hollywood to activate academia.  We have plenty of scientists to do that.  

China.....?  Hey, everybody's on board, even Kim Il Jung or whatever his name is.  Abbu Bakkr was more than on board.  He was already kicking the tires, or was it the slats?  


Gary,

I like that...... Suspect A ... aliyan.  Yes, I think we already have her in our sights.  Tell kit that the scan came out positive..... not to worry.  


I'm reading the Kingdom.... about a French writer agonizing over his on again, off again faith, and then getting into the original phenomenon...... rather good.  

There's a lot of good stuff coming out these days...... when it rains..... who, in their right mind, would ever want to compete with all that? The gods, they must be crazy.



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If the goal is to help the general public understand the phenomenon, then the element of plausible deniability will have to disappear at some point. Disclosure with plausible deniability is only good for acclimatizing the public, and right now, people are sufficiently acclimatized.

If you don't want the public know the truth, then why bother with any of this? Without official disclosure, it would mean the CIA's efforts have been only good for getting a handful of researchers to know that the visitors are real, and that handful doesn't even know where they're from or what their motives are.

Tom Delonge's first non-fiction book is out now, and it's filled almost entirely with garbage. On top of that, almost no one believes the guy, and Tom himself doesn't properly understand the phenomenon. Hopefully things will be different by the time the documentary comes out.

Well, UT, that sounds like a resounding NO for William McDonald.  Ye of little faith.  You think you've seen acclimation.  You ain't seen nothing yet.  

But, sorry, my friends, the scientists, are not sufficiently acclimated.  We're giving them a couple more years, bless their hearts.  

Motives...... why do you suppose their motives are any different from ours?  Why are they here?  They just want to know what the heck is going on.  UT, how many times do I have to repeat myself?  This is where the action is.  We're the center ring.  Donny is just the barker. The answer is not out there.  They're all coming here to find the answer.  Yes, it's hard to believe, but you'll get used to it.  You just need to do a little spelunking in your heart.  Ask Sham.  He didn't have to wait on no darn ceremony.  

Ask Alice.  She knows.  Alice must increase. We must decrease.



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Ron tells that Kevin was not serious about WM.  He sounded serious to me.  And says that DV also does fiction.  

Personally, I think we should go forward with both kinds of treatment.... keeping our options open.  We could do them in parallel.  It may also be a matter of timing.  

John needs to retrieve something.  If unable, there is no back up, in this particular situation.  Oh, well....... and so it goes.  

Princess wants to do another GtM promo. But I'm not sure if we'll have anything to promote. I'm sure there's lots of stuff somewhere.... I just don't have a handle on it.

I continue reading Carrere's Kingdom...... early Christianity from the view of a lapsed one..... insightful. Logic.....? I thought it was a French forte...... hmmm...... Who needs it?


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Hello everyone,

My name is John. I've spent the day digesting some of this information after stumbling upon it this morning. It's interesting what you bring up surrounding the portal phenomena. Some of it the information you've shared sounds like it relates to an experience I had last year before, during, and after participating in a traditional Ojibwe Native American fast.

In the months leading up to the fast a friend of mine had been cultivating psilocybin mushrooms, meditation and reiki were practiced with them regularly to imbue a loving energy to them. I came to feel that growing such a strong concentration of this fungi was like opening up a portal, especially since when people would ingest them, they would be taken on a journey of some kind. As more and more of this medicine was disseminated I began feeling energetic shifts in the community, at the time there was much hype in the air with the debates, and upcoming election. I eventually had my own experience with them which I won't get into at this time, it was certainly a magical experience. After I felt quite a strong shift in my perspective on the world.

A few weeks later I go out for the fast. Four days and three nights with no food or water, it's a rite of passage ceremony. I wasn't in fear at all as I had done other kinds of fasts before, but none in a ceremonial context. I will not go deep into description of the ceremony, but essentially offerings are made during my time out in the woods. Again I got the feeling that a portal of some kind was opening when these offerings were made. The offerings were made to send prayers of all kind to creator.

In between making these offerings I was either sleeping or watching everything around me. My dreams were very vivid. I have been instructed in Dreamwork for the past few years and am very adept at it when I go in with intention. One particular dream comes back to mind when reading about the portal information you have shared. In this dream I'm in front of a large building with huge pillars and it looks like a school of some kind. Beside it there is a huge portal, about the same height as the school. It's hexagonal with red and black colors. There are two men chasing me in the dream and like in Super Mario I shoot a fireball at one of them to get away. I then run towards the portal and jump in, I'm instantly shot up into the stars and zoom from star to star in a zigzag motion. Might I have accessed a portal literally in my dream? Or was this a dream representation of my feeling like a portal had opening with the mushrooms? This I do not know.

Interestingly after my fast I acquired a beautiful traditional Haida Native American drum, gifted to the shop owner by the carrier of the water drum in the Haida double finned killer whale clan. It was not easy purchasing the drum, with the owner directing me towards other drums, there was certainly something special about it and I felt it was speaking to me. When reading through this topic I think you mentioned that artifacts are sometimes brought through the portal? I thought I'd share about the drum since I felt as if I went through a portal and then a hard to acquire artifact comes into my possession.

Stuff starts going downhill from here. With no apparent trigger, I start becoming quite paranoid about many things in my life. Internally it felt as if I was being fed information and even though it was so insane, dark, and scary; I started believing it was reality. There were moments I felt posessed, and moments I felt blessed. I ended up destroying the drum I had gotten in my paranoia. At the same time I was experiencing what I felt like were very expansive spiritual moments. I feel that due to the mushrooms and fasting I had opened a portal of some kind that allowed me to tap into an internal ability that made me feel as if I could literally create anything. It reminds me very much of a Vedic story about a man who finds a wishing tree. He finds out anything he thinks of will manifest right in front of him, he has much fun with this until one day and thinks of a tiger and in seeing the tiger he becomes afraid it might eat him; instantly he is eaten because he thought it. Did I experience a portal of some kind that amplified my mental processes causing me to believe many wild fantasies were true? Who knows! It's certainly a fun explanation.

It's a bit hard for me to explain all of this. During this time my girlfriend and I had to cancel a huge trip to Morocco to visit her father, it was very hard for us, and I nearly destroyed our relationship in my paranoia. Eventually I came back to reality, it took me nearly 5 months to feel like myself again. I can safely same I'm better now, but left with many many questions.

Anyway, this portal information has certainly piqued my interest, and I look forward to hearing more. I thought I'd share my experience as a way of stimulating discussion on the connection between portals, ETs, shamanism, and indigenous cultures that have received teachings from the stars. The Ojibwe call what they know star teachings, and they call their sweat lodge a star lodge. The story about how the knowledge of the star lodge came to the people has to do with a boy going on fast, passing through the moon(in spirit form), and learning from 7 grandfathers who are in a wigwam shaped structure, floating on other side of the moon.

I'm excited to see the disclosure trickle going in this direction. I think there is much more to come in the following decade. I do think it's important that it be gradual too. I feel experiences with ETs and other phenomena have the possibility of driving some people crazy and if certain information or technology were to come out too quickly, we might see many people having traumatic experiences as a result.

Thanks for reading!

Thanks, JCI.  

In the realm of immaterialism, one cannot distinguish fully between subjective and objective.  It's all a continuum.  

What concerns me mainly is the intersubjective...... i.e. 'reality'.  

Nonetheless, even intersubjective portal experiences generally are OBEs..... at the least, they involve shape-shifting.  

Today, I'll be meeting with Bill, up here in Maine. A bit later, I'll be heading to a country to the south to meet with the Footmann and the princess. An article has been retrieved, I'm told, which is allegedly a portalific placebo.



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Hello John, i would like to welcome you to the forum. I am also a recent member. I was cautioned by another member that this thread is left open mainly for info from Dan S who has already addressed your post.
I don't really know, this is what I was told.
Regardless, I have many experiences with LSD mushrooms and salvia divinorum in years past.
Should you want to share more, I would welcome your post in a new thread.
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John and Doug,

Eventually, we do hope for a bit more traffic on this poor thread, so it might be advantageous to have a parallel thread or two for people to focus on the more personal experiences.  

Some of us do anticipate a more public disclosure, of some sort.

But, yes, we are hoping for a WoM disclosure.... word of mouth.  Is that even possible?  Or would it be the best possible?  

It seems that the internet is poised for just such an eventuality.  And the gray lady becomes the grey lady.  Donny......?  Well, he just keeps being donny.  The deplorables......?  The last shall be first.  They will have first dibs on the portal.  


Cy,
I'm glad to see that your MMR is back up and running.



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Thanks Dan       seems much is in the air, for all sensitive to this topic.   are we collectively creating our own outcome? as "believers" believe more and more, those non awake feel the shift ?

i don't know, but WoM disclosure is underway for sure.  but when or will it effect everyday life for the collective , I dont know.   seekers such as John in his post, already know what the masses don't know.

but how transferrable are his experiences and found awareness to all?  

I had a profound ego loss after LSD that changed my life to this day.  But its only served to make me feel that in my awareness, I don't belong here in our society.

so my art and music is intended to "illuminate" in any way it can .  therapy  ? ?    maybe everything expressed is...

Here is the no-thought for the day.

You have life now, enjoy it.

If you haven't heard it through the death of the artists, the Siren call can be heard very loudly today, Sekmet is coming. Many will be dashed upon the rocks.

If they watch the waves, they can avoid ruin.

It's impossible to lose your ego, detente is the best option.

Peace.