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Hello, Cy, OMF II - Part 2

Post by garzparz on Sat Jul 09, 2016 9:19 am

First topic message reminder :

Ok, I'm slowly backing away. You guys have fun. Until next time, don't let the aliens or black op fascists get you.

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Simply, there is no seeker. 
There is nothing to attain. 
No such thing as enlightenment. 
Let's stop all this silliness.

We are lost in a hypnotic dream of separation. 

Searching for something only illustrates ignorance of reality.

Refining the mind seems like a good use of time. 

We are just dreamseekers following dreamteaching. 

There is no understanding oneness, there is just being in it.

This is all already known.

We just are remembering.

That includes all of your drama too Dan. 

We will have no impact unless love is involved. 

I know, I'm no help and a big distraction.

That is half right, we are all so very distracted.

Love is all that is moving.

As you were.


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Post by dan on Wed May 10, 2017 7:04 am

Yes, Houston, we have a credibility issue......

How are we to distinguish between a 'portal' experience and any of a vast number of experiences of altered states of consciousness?  

The term 'portal' brings to mind an objective passage way.  But, it was only a few days ago, with his 'update', that Footmann referred to the portal as a 'living being', where the experiencer, presumably, is referred to as the 'partner'.  Amongst our small group, two people report separate spontaneous experiences, which involved neither a physical passage, nor another living being.  

We now have another report of 'two and a half' 'portal' experiences, but deliberate and involving a specific location, but no particular object, other being or other 'actuator' involved.  

There was also the island on the east coast, with a history of such phenomena, and on which I, and several others, experienced an unidentified light phenomenon.  

This is all I have, besides our two main characters, who have, so far, provided scant detail.  

Is this enough to write home about?  It's questionable.  

This evening, at 9pm EDT, is the second scheduled 'broadcast' with the Princess, on this topic.  Perhaps this will be the opportunity for clarification.  

The link again is..... https://global.gotomeeting.com/join/266075373 . The phone number for calling in is (646) 749-3122, with the same nine digit access code.  There will be open participation.  

I have always been under the impression that Disclosure has a time critical component.  The sense of urgency became manifest in 1991, in the ensuing communication with Ron.  Since January of 2015 there has been a specific time frame, although the deadline has since been moved back by nine months, now being mid-summer.  

Currently, then, we have a disconnect between the possibile urgency, and the slowness in the release of new information.  And, now, Debbie and I are about to leave on a two week vacation.  

Another problem is that Mr 2 1/2 is a fundamentalist with regard to the imminence of Tribulation/Armageddon, as described in the Book of Revelation.  In fact, at this point, I'm the only one looking toward a non-violent transition to the Millennium or whatever period might ensue...... another issue requiring prompt clarification.  




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Post by NordicWonder on Wed May 10, 2017 10:59 am

Dan, is the Joe Firmage you're mentioning the same one who was a big wig at USWeb and resigned in disgrace following a public unveiling of his UFO beliefs? If so, he's been off the radar since 2009 when his most recent company went under. What role does he have to play in this whole thing?

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Post by garzparz on Wed May 10, 2017 4:32 pm

I vote for a compassionate resolution for everyone.

So, you are point of fact, not the only one who wants a non-violent shift.

But I get a lot of heat and flame symbols and metaphors.

I'm not sure how to reconcile the solar symbol visions I was having of Celtic symbols.

And for your compatriots, everything is meaningful, everything.

You have to think nonlinearly.

If you use the awareness, you will listen to everything.

The Watcher is.

Everything is connected and meaningful somehow.

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Post by garzparz on Thu May 11, 2017 1:26 am

"Composer, sculptor, painter, poet, prophet, sage--these are the makers of the after-world, the architects of heaven. The world is beautiful because they have lived. Without them, laboring humanity would perish." -- James Allen from 'As A Man Thinketh"

I felt the Scorpio full moon big time today. Quite amazing. 10th was also Vesak Buddhist Holiday, Budda's birthday. I felt that too.

Great centering at hand.

Art Bell described this as 'The Quickening'.

It is indeed that.

Everywhere.

http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/2158244016674515

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Post by dan on Thu May 11, 2017 8:37 am

For last evening's gotomeeting call-in, we had another modest turn out.  We still have a long way to go to the PoNR.  It turns out that I'm not in charge of Disclosure, at least not for now.  

The meeting is posted on the Princess' YouTube channel.  


The main issue is whether we can get through 'disclosure' without undue/excess violence and chaos.  This world/cosmos is not an accident.  It's not an experiment.  If this is not the best possible disclosure, then what is it? The worst possible.  

It was further established that the Princess is withholding information from me, and the Footmann withholding from her.  It is possible that the Footmann has sufficient information to precipitate disclosure now, especially in conjunction with an activated portal.  The Princess says that we're waiting for a particular signal.  This signal may have something to do with the island experience that was referred to several times.  And may also have to do with an operation blue light.  


12:30---------

NorWon,

PoNR/disclosure is qualitative, not quantitative.  I'm the only one of us three who is expendable at this point.  The problem would be to replace Ron and Aliyah.  That would not be easy.  There is a lengthy backstory.  

Uh, oh....... could the bad guys sabotage disclosure?  Could we use that possibility to speed up the process?  Well, contingencies are just not a significant part of the BPWH.  I would have trouble playing that card.  

As for popular pressure on R&A..........  We don't seem to be anywhere near that threshold.  There might only be more resistance.  But, no, there's never anything wrong with word of mouth.  


CorCat,

Sorry about the tutu.  Trust me, it was not optional.  


Eric/garz,

I know that you like to promote your hinayana.  The mahayana does seem to upset you.  It is a paradox that 'heart' is so individualistic for you.  There is no synergy there, for you.  There is such a thing as communalism.


4:30-------

Eric, it's just seems counterintuitive that your individualism is a way back to monism.  We are a wired world.  Is that an accident?  Is science an accident?  All of our talents...... left brain, right brain..... need to be integrated, finally.  

You seem simply to want to fly away in your beautiful balloon.  And you don't want anyone to try a broader, more inclusive path.  


6:30---------

Eric should be happy that no one is minding the store.  And the blue line is a rather thin one.  Might someone take advantage?  One might think, but advantage is a rather abstract notion, in this game.  


Paul Z points out that Mary Shelly, Harold Urey and Jack Sarfatti are all exploring a similar theme......

Put together the right components, zap them...... and, voila, you have some version of life/mind, albeit, maybe not the version that you were wishing for.  

I.e..... life and mind are an accident of nature.   There is no teleology..... no Telos.  It's all just a cosmic crap shoot.  Hmmm......

Are we a cancer on the third rock from a small star, or a chrysalis at the heart of reality? There are cracks in our cosmic eggshell. Well, there is a lot of testimony, to that effect. Who are we to believe?




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Re: Hello, Cy, OMF II - Part 2

Post by garzparz on Thu May 11, 2017 8:53 am

We are All in the end, each of us, only responsible for our own personal self Disclosure.

No other kind of Disclosure is possible.

When you stop looking outside yourself and look at the center of yourself, what you need to know you know and all your questions evaporate.

When you can offer the world your heart, then you are doing the divine work.

Heart is the only thing Real in all of this I have found.

I found my heart in the center of a black hole.

I would never have thought to look there before now.

What else awaits?
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Post by NordicWonder on Thu May 11, 2017 9:00 am

Dan, quick question, how far away are we in terms of viewership? If 26 (I believe that was what it was last night) is a modest turn out, how many attendees are needed in order to move this thing forward?

Those of us interested could certainly promote the next meeting and tell the story to a wider audience if that is what it takes.
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Post by Course Catalog on Thu May 11, 2017 9:34 am

Dan,

I guess the turnout may have to do with low levels of promotion plus (for those who did turn out) having to wade through videos of you dancing at a kindergarten in order to gather snippets of the biggest secret in the history of mankind. Shocked

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Post by garzparz on Thu May 11, 2017 9:36 am

What's inside your hearts is the biggest secret.

Everyone is looking outside, while we do an end run around your blind spots.

As you were.

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Post by garzparz on Thu May 11, 2017 4:43 pm

If you think you can argue with me Dan, you are some Fool.

You obviously have no idea what I'm talking about.

You think I'm lying?

I've never lied to you.

You are so dismissive over things you have no idea about, which is fine, it's beyond ideas.

That's all I said.

It's only your heart that matters.

I'm telling you how this works.

You ignorantly dismiss because you have no idea what you are talking about.

When I see someone who knows what's happening, I'll be back.

I gave it my best shot with you Dan.

I see all these synchronities, you guys deny.

Fine, it's happening now without you.

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Post by garzparz on Thu May 11, 2017 4:57 pm

Compared to my open heart Dan, with no desire or agenda, you know very little.

The small and great meet in the heart you moron Wink

Let me take the discussion to the next level, if you can follow in your tutu.

I'm gonna stop wasting my time here Dan.

It's become very boring.

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It's interesting how a chaotic attractor has an observable pattern, but contains infinite variety. I wonder if they have some role to play in cognition. Do brains contain neural circuits that act as chaotic attractors?

It makes a kind of sense. You have a general concept, like "tree" that somehow corresponds to the large scale shape of an attractor, We can "trigger" the neural circuit that encodes an attractor-concept, let it run for a while and "read out" the main, large-scale features. That's how we know what a tree is. But we can also observe real trees and accept an infinite variety of shape, color, orientation, etc., since they somehow fall within the domain of the attractor.

It's a tantalizing idea since chaotic attractors are, ultimately, described by nothing more than a small set of numbers. So even something as general as the concept of "tree", including all possible varieties, even examples we haven't experienced yet, are all contained in a handful of numbers. It would be so easy to store them in memory, incredibly compact encoding that can be recalled and unfolded again like some infinitely opening flower.

Sham Out

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Post by garzparz on Thu May 11, 2017 5:05 pm

Dan, we have nothing further to share with each other.

I have nothing else I can say than I have.

Please don't contact me again.

It's been fun.

Thanks for listening and helping me work all this out.

Sham waaaaay out Wink
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Post by dan on Fri May 12, 2017 7:38 am

Sham,

I'm sorry for your trouble.

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Post by NordicWonder on Fri May 12, 2017 8:49 am

This is getting weird(er). Dan, what can we do to help speed things along, or at the very least, proceed to the next step?

Should we bring awareness or is that counterproductive?
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Post by dan on Fri May 12, 2017 12:27 pm

NorWon,

Getting weirder.......?  

I hope not.  I hope that we are just able to achieve a new normal.  We have been way out on the materialist limb.  It's time for us to climb back to a less restrictive reality.  We didn't realize how precarious things had become, way out there.  It will be a relief to get back again.

Speed things up........?

It seems that events are accelerating spontaneously.

Yes, it's all about maintaining our awareness.

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Post by garzparz on Fri May 12, 2017 2:03 pm

It was no trouble.

We just have reached an end to our collaboration.

No hurt feelings.

Just following the flow.

I have no mission.

I'm happy some of you do.

I hope you are successful.
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Post by dan on Sat May 13, 2017 9:17 am

Portals abound........

Everything is a portal for everything else, and we are that for ourselves.  Everything is a microcosm of everything else.  

The quantum is physics' own portal.  

So, especially, is every work of art..... even every artifact, every bit of nature.  

But...... but what.......?

Well, we do need to move the world, we do need to turn ourselves on a dime.  There does need to be a MoAPS from materialism to immaterialism.  

And this MoAPS will require all of us to participate..... personally.  

There needs be a personal fulcrum..... it's not rocket science.  

And, guess what, sports fans, it so happens........ well, no, nothing has happened, not yet.  But I've been vouchsafed a glimpse of a possibility...... how it might all work out for the better, if not the best.  Yes, I'd be a candidate for the theoretician.  Is that so bad?  I've already said most everything I have to say.  The major points have been covered.  A bird in hand is worth a peacock in the bush.  

Why don't we just open the floodgates, and have a land rush?  Do we have to play peekaboo?  Well, if there is any rushing, it's likely to be in the reverse direction.  We first need to activate and tune our imaginations to the historical reality.  There will also be plenty of room for conceptualization.  


2:30----------

Of course, there will always be spontaneous portals, but, especially at first, there will be a plethora of franchise operations.  Many organizations would have their proprietary access. For access to the wishing well, there will be groups like the make-a-wish foundation.  Longer term, it would become more like renting sunlight, however.  At that point, the return trip would be more limited.



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Post by garzparz on Sat May 13, 2017 9:39 am

Doing the previous things you mentioned.

Seeing the connections.

Then moving.

Imagine a world who turned themselves into non-material types.

Leads to your last point naturally.

All I have ever said.

You seemed to be making a little sense and I had to respond Wink

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Post by garzparz on Sat May 13, 2017 9:44 am

Making and consuming that art transforms.

Art is now the primary thing in my life.

Not work or any of this enlightenment crap Wink

Art was my key.

I made no art until I woke up.

Art resonates with the Universe.

Art is the ultimate fragrance of a centered heart.

Anything created in and from the heart is art.

That alone is the greatest gift in all this.

I feel and Joy feels, this art is the key.

Living artfully, in balance, is the Way.

I can say I found my Zen.

Imagine a world filled with types like me.

Well, a sign you are awakened is you make art spontaneously.

The more you do it. The more you become like this.

Art connects us somehow directly to our source.

Mind is used, but it doesn't drive.

No thoughts really in the zone.

That no thought zone, you have to find it and make art from there.

Then after you reboot and your ego is shattered, the world takes a new step.

This is how it happens and some signs to look for.

If you aren't a babbling spring yet, you have not found it.

Shrug.

When you see and know, there is no disagreement or argument possible beyond this lowest common human denominator.

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Post by garzparz on Sat May 13, 2017 9:50 am

I would put my awareness up against any silly alien.

That alien is just a projection from inside us.

We of course are the strangers in a strange land.
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I want to be clear that there is no such thing as a physically objective portal...... that being said by an immaterialist/non-physicalist.  OTOH, there is no aspect of 'reality' (mind/matter) that is not...... portalific(?).  

Portalific.......?  Actual or potential portal, or an aspect of such.  

I was going to say that portals are involved with time and space, but it might be more accurate to say that portals are what produces time and space.  

In particular, (subjective) events are portalific.  Of course, there is no such thing as an objective event.  

Rituals and life changing events, in particular, are portalific.  

There is always at least one person involved with every portal incident, and, usually more than one, especially if we include entities amongst the persons involved.  

What about with just animals.......?  Do cats, for instance, experience their own portals?  Yes, but that would include the Cat totem on the other side.  I would include animist totems amongst persons, in as much as we can communicate with and through such totems.

All this being said, all portals are not equal, of course.  But all portals are equal in the sense that they all end up, back in the same place....... the Monad/Source/Telos.  

The most important portals are the Alpha and Omega portals...... Creation being 'suspended' between them.  Creation is our bridge over the Abyss.  

One cannot be an immaterialist without being a personalist.  It so happens that, historically, one of the traditions stands out as being particularly so, and said person is the one most closely identified with the Alpha/Omega...... just so happens..... historically.  

And what now, brown cow.......? Is this the Omega?

I trust not. This is 'just' the beginning of the Millennium. But how can the Millennium begin without the Tribulation? Well, you'll just have to pay attention. You'll have to follow the bouncing ball......




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Post by dan on Mon May 15, 2017 1:24 pm

The May 12 issue of The Guardian Weekly, which I picked up at the Madrid airport, reprinted Meghan O'Gieblyn's article...... https://nplusonemag.com/issue-28/essays/ghost-in-the-cloud/ .

Check it out, sports fans........

Meghan points to her struggle with Christian Transhumanism, and, in particular, their problem with transcendence. This is not unlike the battles over transubstantiation. This will need to be addressed at some length.

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Post by garzparz on Mon May 15, 2017 7:55 pm

I can relate so much to the woman in the article.

I feel she is lost on the edge of destruction and danger with no paddle.

She is in danger of suicide.

There is an answer beyond silly Christian eschatology.

A deeper history.

I have it here, in my heart.

It may be simulated, but I got this Wink

You can find joy in a flower that would make the sadness in her article impossible.

I didn't trade beliefs.

She does not see the bigger picture yet.

I hope she opens her eyes.
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Post by dan on Tue May 16, 2017 2:47 am

Debbie and I are in Seville, with limited internet.  

Meghan also speaks of Nick Bostrom who is another POI.  She points out that he is an atheist, like Kurtzweil and all the other Transhumanists.  It is just gratuitous snobbery on most of their parts, rather like Eric.  

Sid understands the BPWH/SWH, but doesn't believe it.  Kevin believes, but doesn't understand.  Kevin is a literalist about the Tribulation/Armageddon, especially when not sober.  But, sometimes when he's sober, he understands that literal BoR, book of Revelation, maybe should be spiritually interpretated.  

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Post by garzparz on Tue May 16, 2017 8:57 am

I am with all those on The Way Dan. I'm in excellent company. Poor Kevin. Nothing is literal, not even Death. Apocalypse is just the uncovering of our hearts.

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