Hello, Cy, OMF II - Part 2

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edit notice: This thread is the Part Two continuation from the original thread - last post here -

https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t6p990-hello-cy-hello-omf-ii#2215

Jake Reason wrote:

Dan wrote:
1.) .... what defines each explicate order are the experimental conditions.

2.) .....the Bohm programme aimed at providing a model of an independent reality that lies behind the quantum formalism.

#1 implies that order is being imposed from above. #2 implies that there is an underlying, objective mathematical reality.

According to the BPWH/CTC, order is imposed by all sapient/sentient entities, cosmic and otherwise, in a bootstrapped fashion, which would contradict #2

This is getting closer...to 'the Ghost'.

The unpredictable factor:

Whereas, when mathematics is exhausted, and "the deeper order" in the "set of implicate orders" is all resolved;
an incalculable unpredictable anomaly remains.

The Ghost might be likened to "Stars Wars" - The Force.

A neutral Ghost interactively affected by and through "sapient/sentient entities, cosmic and otherwise". Imparting upon VALIS/Source.

Manifesting could never be fully calculated or precisely predicted.


A Ghost in the CTC machine

Cyrellys
4:44 PM (2 minutes ago)

to jake_reason

A Ghost in the CTC machine. The Force.

fili fortnosna a imbus
~ the poet, his imbas illumines him ~

cetal na haisnese
~ a poetical summons of the adoration of God; (improved) a declaration (salute) of identity ~

All things being interconnected is ambiguous only by inflexible language. Why else do the filid walk within that connection where sight and song come so readily?

Imb-fios

Cy

side note: fyi http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/archives/8396

Cy,

Side note...... Now, I hope you will forgive me, if I have a tiny little problem with your side note.

Let us, for the moment, set aside poor Barry, who, as we know, is getting off to a rocky start with his presidential legacy, being his second term.

Yes, my problem here is with Randy, and his take on Islam.......

Are you sharing some of Randy's sentiments on Islam. You do realize that, among other things, I am an apologist for Islam. Should there be a problem with this?

I have to apologize for everything and everybody, that's just my mission, as an advocate for the BPWH.

So, Cy, if you were God, what would you have done about Mohammed and his angel Gabriel? Was God asleep at the switch, back there in 622 ACE? Should he have headed Mohammed's army off at the pass to Medina? Would we now have a better world?

Maybe we would, but I'm here to defend both God and Islam. Are you and Randy going to make my day?



(cont.)

Bohm's Ghost in the Machine is called the Quantum Potential. However, for those of us preferring Many Worlds, the ghostly quantum waves are made of shadow particles weakly interfering with our universe. Although they are shadows in our universe, they are fully real within their own (parallel to our) world. The influence of the shadow particles is seen in the quantum double slit experiment.

Gary,

That is a good demonstration of quantum weirdness, and what might it have to do with the real world? Does David Bohm shed light on this?

You understand, Gary, that David and Jack both agree with Albert...... God does not play dice......

See, Gary, God does have a choice wrt Creation........ Panspermia vs. Chicken Little......

If you were God, which choice would you make? Would you broadcast your seed across infinite dimensions, or would you put all your eggs in one basket?

Well, if I were God, I think I might want to hedge my bets. Isn't that what all the smart folks do?

So, I would do two things.........

1.) I would put all my eggs in one basket, and then watch that basket very closely.

2.) I would make the basket as big as possible.

Doesn't this make perfect sense?

Now, getting back to Cy and Randy, one part of making the biggest possible basket was to make sure that Muhammad's little army made it safely to Medina.

Whoa....... How does that work out?

Well, see, Judgement Day is like a two-slit experiment......... which is also like Muhammad's army threading the Pass from Mecca to Medina........

1.) Block the pass, no one get's through. Islam becomes just another marginal sect of the prophetic tradition.

2.) Half get through, Muhammad is seriously wounded, and Islam becomes a significant thorn in saddle of the tradition.

3.) There is a triumphal entry into Medina, and Islam takes its place within the prophetic trinity.

What would you do? What should God have done?

No, this is not the easiest question, and God does have to man-up, as they say. Me? Guess what, sports fans, I have a cheat sheet........ And this is where David B comes into the picture.....

Were it not for Islam, we would all be living in the Roman caliphate. But, no, Islam provided the necessary subversion of Rome, in several significant ways, which I leave for homework.

See, when you go for the Big-basket, then you go for sectarianism. The only issue is the best possible sectarianism. But, no, even that is not the real issue.


6:50---------

The real issue is the KC. You know the expression...... being blown to kingdom-come. That's what we're talking about, and that's why they call me Chicken Little.

See, God has another choice....... biggest possible basket, or best possible basket. Jake represents the former, me the latter choice.

And, yes, the bigness of the Earth is how God hedges her bet...... and, yes, in the space-age, we too easily forget how big the Earth 'really' is.

See, it goes back to the Garden, or, perhaps, back to Babel......

Virtually every sect is a bona-fide attempt to grasp the infinite, and so is every language. Is the world about to be paved over with English?

Well, not quite. It is about to be paved over with Ubuntu. The only thing that Ubuntu lacks is a Steve Jobs, that was until Chicken Little made the scene. I'm just the communist version of Steve, and that's only because I am Throop^16, with a credit card.

Whoa, where were we...... on the road to Medina......

This is about Ricardo vs. Smith, not Dan, but Adam. Ooops, what was the difference? Feudalism vs Nationalism? Not much difference there, as it turns out, and as Cy&Co readily agree.

With the KC, I'm thinking we want something a bit more organic, but not back to tribalism. The good news is that the KC is not permanent. It is only just a launch-pad to something more cosmic and atemporal. It is a big tent to prepare us for the cosmic tent, as in cosmic mind.



(cont.)

Dan, I would make many baskets and distribute them widely, and redundantly. Within each basket there is a finite number of possible arrangements; I would know all possible arrangements and each possibility would be represented among the baskets. In this sense my knowledge of baskets and their possible arrangements would be omniscient. From time to time I might observe that certain baskets come to less than fortuitous outcomes; I might then use this information to inform similar baskets to transform into a better or best possible arrangement.

And since we are playing with infinities, there would be an infinite number of less fortunate baskets as well as an infinite number of best possible arrangements.

Of course one must also consider the correspondence if one is to compare infinities.

Thank you very much Cy for your kind quotes.  You are the only person I have known to quote Old Irish proverbs.

Gary, thanks I was aware of that.  However I was speaking of a different type of "Ghost in the machine" which does and need not arise from an outside source.

Dan, to answer your question, I am one of a culture of old world Irish predating even Christianity, with roots in the last technological civilization, who have weathered every manner of social, intellectual, and religious preponderance to superiority that has been conceived to subject humanity. We have traveled the world, conducted our business of life, and even fully resettled upon another continent, whilst unseen for centuries, beneath those umbrellas.

In all our history we have saluted Jakes Ghost in the Machine. And never has it played the games of manipulation upon our people that it has upon yours and upon the Muslims. We have no Shariah Laws. We have no religions. We laugh and sing and see the universe in terms you have yet to do.

What need do I or mine have of the Muslim history or theology? It's just another belligerent school yard bully in the mix.

Step before me, bar my path, and declare me an infidel or attempt to robe me from Grian's uplifting light within which we shine and the offender will face my blade. I will dispatch such insults to the Source's sacred creation of Life, should I ever face one, and return it to the revolving door of introspection.

Fortunately for them, I live on a large planet generally well separated. Thus the Peace for now is assured.

Nough said?

Cy,

It sounds a bit like..... pagans of the world unite. And, yes, compared to Islam and Judaism, Christianity verges onto paganism.

Yet, somehow, Xianity has managed to overcome tribalism, to a much larger extent than has paganism, and, yes, cerainly more than have Islam and Judaism.

What is their secret? Well, Xianity has paved the path to capitalism and globalism, both of which are a mixed bag, and only partial forerunners of the KC/NWO.



(cont.)

dan wrote:Cy,

It sounds a bit like..... pagans of the world unite.

Pagans? Unite? You didn't really read what I wrote...again. You tend to do that alot. You see and hear only what you want to see and hear and in a manner that fits your emerging theology. Please Re-Read.

Any scholar of the ancient Irish will tell you that the legacy of Jesus was openly welcomed in Eire for its principles and wisdom being virtually identical to the native. It was a coming home for it. Later versions attempted conscription and their efforts led by sanctioned persons of the new papacy and their affiliates eventually managed to twist Christianity into something it was never intended to be. That is what created the later conflict between the old traditions and the religion. And those who conscripted it continued to evolve the religion and create conflicts and animosities in its name until modern Eire no longer resembled her former wisdom nor even recalled her histories.

I told you that all those centuries the original culture continued to exist. And when Eire and much of Europe's subjugation became intolerable, our seafarers became responsible for more than exploration and trade. They were employed to transfer an entire people under the cover of English name and charter of corporation. And even when that charter was dissolved still we fended for ourselves unnoticed and without animosity.

I thought it clear enough to say that "in all our history we have always saluted Jakes Ghost in the Machine". And I have previously expounded on clarity of understanding being only limited by the flexibility of language. And you call us Pagan? I'm not the one attempting to reinvent the wheel to accommodate a muslim POTUS and a unified fabian-socialist marxist NWO with a planetary depopulation bug in its bonnet. Pot calling the kettle BLACK.

dan wrote:And, yes, compared to Islam and Judaism, Christianity verges onto paganism.

IF Islam and Judaism and organized Christianity migrated to another planet, we'd still get along happily enough as we've always done. Or if the tables were turned and we were free to wander the stars in search of a home removed from all domineering theologies, we'd be an even jollier bunch!

But no. You and so many like you wish to have your cake at our expense. Truth be damned. You would hear only your own voices mirrored. And you speak in denigration of our intellects? Of our spiritual expression? I'm not making lies to myself to justify a patently evil construct; evil by its own illicit choices, rampant dishonesty, and by its failure to be a humble servant of a planet's population as all Governances are best to do.

dan wrote:Yet, somehow, Xianity has managed to overcome tribalism, to a much larger extent than has paganism, and, yes, certainly more than have Islam and Judaism.

You imply here that one or another of some religion should be the dominant force among man on the planet? That all governing actions should be made by one theological precept or another?

Where now thou art O' Reason?

Be it the proper function of a man, consisting in an activity of the soul in conformity with a rational principle or at least not without it! Where goes thy intellectual virtues?

There is a noise where Justice is being dragged in the way where those who devour bribes and give sentence with crooked judgments take her. And she wrapped in mist, follows to the city and haunts of the people, weeping, and bringing mischief to men, even to such as have driven her forth in that the did not deal straightly with her.

dan wrote:What is their secret? Well, Xianity has paved the path to capitalism and globalism, both of which are a mixed bag, and only partial forerunners of the KC/NWO.

Capitalism and globalism as once measured equality the current is not. What power is held within the People? Marginalism and the hault of the given processes of recourse illustrates the nature.

Such power I gave the people as might do,
Abridged not what they had, nor lavished new,
Those that were great in wealth and high in place
My counsel likewise kept from all disgrace.
Before them both I held my shield of might,
And let not either touch the other's right. ~ Solon.

Such verse is the path in nature the NWO has left, where nary remains even the suit once gained...a grey world pawns its high born/bourne soul...

Cyrellys,
Oh how I like the way you think.

Solomon wrote about a one like you.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Proverbs+31%3A10-31&version=KJV

Jake Reason wrote:Cyrellys,
Oh how I like the way you think.

Solomon wrote about a one like you.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Proverbs+31%3A10-31&version=KJV

Thank you for the compliment Jake. I will endeavor to do my best to live up to it.

Cy and Jake,

I wonder, if, in the OMF, 'we' can try to stay away from demonizing the Other, be they another economic class, another religion, other lifestyle, etc?

In the BPW, there will continue to be differences, but now they will be celebrated and integrated, into an organic whole, which will be our temporary launchpad to the great beyond. This launchpad will be the KC/NWO....... our Millennial and final temporal kingdom. It can last for as long as we want, but not forever and not for much more than a thousand years, at the very most.

Are there demons? Is there Evil in the world? Well, there are sociopaths and there are pedophiles. Who ordered them? Who ordered malaria and mosquitoes?

There is still slavery and human trafficking. There is genocide. What are we going to do about that? Find scapegoats? Yes, we can do that, up to a point, but it won't solve the problem.

Yes, there are evil conspiracies. There are folks who conspire to depopulate the world, and to close every border, in the process.

There are folks who live constantly in fear..... fear of the Other. That is almost a human condition. Half the country lives in fear of the government, the other half lives from one day to the next.

And there are many, currently we find them mostly on the right, who who exploit these fears through the politics of polarization. When was the last time that our politics was so polarized?

Should something that calls itself OMF be condoning such tactics? That would seem to be a case of false advertising.

Does the NRA engage in such tactics? I think they do. They are one of the many single-issue cliques, who will stop at no fear-mongering to unseat the last of our moderate politicians.

Does every citizen have the God-given right to a 32-bullet clip for their household weapons?

I don't think we do, Cy, but the people whom you most ardently support, seem to feel that this should be the ultimate litmus test for every politician. Yes, that and perhaps along with the abortion issue. How many of our previous elections have been fought to the death over these two issues? Vastly too many, I submit.

I am trying, here, Cy, to raise our sights a notch or two, yet it seems that you put up much resistance to even my paltry efforts, by frequently launching us back into the venues of fear and hate mongering.

And when I encourage you to present to us what you do stand for, you tend to respond with words in Celtic, that I find much less than transparent.


Instead, Cy, can we try to focus on what we might have in common, which might just be that we all emanate from a single Source?

I am asking you, Cy, when engaging with me, in this one little corner of your OM forum, to keep focused on our potential commonalities, rather than on our differences. I am not threatening to pull up stakes, even if it might sound like that. No, you are an ensouled being, and I don't take you to be even slightly pathological. You simply reflect a predominant strain of pathological politics in the world today, and it is, in my estimation, the primary obstacle between us and a better world. So, yes, I have to learn how to deal with it. Maybe you can help me. I am more than willing to bet that you can.

If I can suppose that I might be Jesus redivivus, then certainly I ought to easily suppose that you could play a crucial role in the messianic plot that is the BPWH. Can you?


11:30-------

Allow me, please, to restate my point, from a very different angle, and allow me, please, to use the word 'paranoia'. Obviously this is a loaded and usually very negative word. I wish to afford it a new life, a higher calling, if you will........




(cont.)

Well, Jake, not to put to fine a point on it..... But, yes, there is often a pedagogical utility in dealing with extreme cases, and the BPWH is no stranger to that pedagogy.

And, yes, there is a strong element of 'insanity' to the BPWH. I take the world to be a dream, when virtually every indication points toward its rock-solid reality. A church, a psychologist, a psychiatrist and an intelligence officer have left the door wide-open to my probable insanity. Supposing so, Jake, puts you in rather good company.


But I was just about to launch into my favorite form of insanity which is paranoia, and my favorite form of paranoia is pronoia...... In 2008 the writer and Electronic Frontier Foundation co-founder John Perry Barlow defined pronoia as "the suspicion the Universe is a conspiracy on your behalf".[1]. That's just the BPWH. Hallelujah!

Where would we pronoids be, without all 'you' paranoids? Nowhere.

One of my favorite books that i've never read is Richard Hofstadter's 'The Paranoid Style in American Politics'. Well, it was just the title article in his collection of essays.

Why should paranoia be endemic to our fair shores? It is, I suggest, merely the shadow of our even more endemic pronoia, which is that it is our manifest destiny to be the New Jerusalem to the world. And, being of British/puritan provenance, we come quite honestly by the illusion, an illusion to which RAD still cling, if only with a bit of desperation.


12:30-------

But here is my larger point...... a point that forms the basis of all sci-fi horror..... we are in the throes of being subverted by an alien Presence.

This is exactly the point of the BPWH. Well, the point of the BPWH is that we are about to meet this alien Presence, and it is just our future, cosmic Self.

Jack Sarfatti took our phone call, back in 1952. RAD are just the Greeting committee. See how harmless and insane we seem..... Jesus, a Princess and spook. What a Joke.

The Presence, though, is no joke. It means business, and is quite prepared to eat our lunch, or, if that fails, have us for dinner at the Hierogamos. A shot-gun wedding, if there ever was one.

Yes, according to the BPWH, we come by our paranoia very honestly. The good news is that it is not Big Government that is about to eat our lunch. It is, rather, the Source that is singing, all ye, all ye, in-free. It is the long awaited Rapture that is calling, like a Siren.


RAD radio is our primary outlet, and we sell kashmir scarves at a pittance, right into Gucci Gulch. It is 1,000 villages on steroids, the Royal Guard. Today Kashmir, tomorrow the world.





(cont.)

Dan I have been over the course of these years slowly exposing you to a body of knowledge beyond your narrow scholarship. It is a body of knowledge that deeply pertains both to what you are striving to do AND to the situational landscape. Because we have BEEN HERE BEFORE. However your model does not acknowledge that nor even recognize it.

This is something Jake and I have in common. He both recognizes it AND acknowledges it.

If your scholarship would extend to learn what I've been teaching you would already know that I espouse that we all stem from a single source. And you would know that in the Old Irish "proverbs" as Jake called them which I gave here recently was a matrix of multi-tiered meaning. Remember the ancient wisdom is triadic. This conveys that for every tidbit there is a complex of information which is being conveyed.

This is part of the legacy of an ancient technological civilization.

We are on the cusp of the same troubles and questions that the other civilization failed at. Not that it could not have found a resolution, but that they were interupted by a planetary cataclysm that stripped all opportunity to find those solutions for them. This is a repeat of history. The oldest histories on the planet have small pieces of the wisdom gained in those late days. Now we can avail ourselves of those few and remote voices or we can continue to ignore and misconstrue what they are saying in our need for speed and results.

What I have been saying is not fear mongering, polarizing, nor demonizing. It is constructive criticism at times, advice and adjustment (triad)in others. Great conversations are one means of illumination.

What you and I participate in here, since you have yesterday so graciously admitted in the open to your intent with the NWO, something I was well aware of, but I think was news to Jake and undoubtedly others, is what is called SANCTIONING.

In SANCTIONING, we are concerned primarily with the concept of "Fitness to Rule". There is an old phrase, "the land and the King are One." This refers, in a following regression whose most modern stages are symbolic and become more an application the further back on the timeline you trail it, to the Rites of Sovereignty. Politicians and others who claim that sovereignty is absolute ownership misunderstand the source of sovereignty. It is not about personal power. Sovereignty is both the right to rule and the obligation to rule rightly. It is about SACRIFICE. Now the definition of sacrifice in this archaic principle is different in respect to our modern definition. Secret societies twist it to mean a gift in which a life is lost to sanction receipt of power and perform ridiculous ceremonies of killing animals or people.

...understanding of sovereignty – that it is really a body of lore that is speaking about a flow that occurs between the land, the people, and the sovereign. Right-relationship is definitely central here too. That’s clear with the emphasis on integrity of judgement, integrity of speech, and integrity in body.

The land is a conduit. It is through the proverbial land in the Collective Soul, and the literal land (biosphere) in our landscape or representative of the land which Jake's Ghost in the Machine speaks. A representative of the land is/was trained to the highest degree in the imbas skills to recognize that Force and its methods of conveyance and activity among us in our environment. Thus a large part of SANCTIONING is about establishing relationship. Fitness to Rule.

True Sovereignty is a reciprocal relationship and right-relationship. Sovereignty is then a relationship about power, something held between the sovereign and the people, and not about the sovereign forcing his or her will upon the people. But modern powers, among the people and over the people, act as though they do not understand this.

So here we have that missing element. Sovereignty is not equivalent to freedom or autonomy. To be a sovereign whether as a rule, a governance, or an individual is to be bound. He/it has not simply claimed the sovereignty; he has been claimed by it.

Thus are conversations such as this between Dan and I. Dan attempts to convert me to his modern justification for the "fitness to rule" in his NWO and I intervene with indications that the Ghost in the Machine does not agree. This is part of the Rites of Sovereignty, where the land sovereigns convene before the king makers to discuss the potential Sanctioning. It is an undercurrent here and in prior events at OMF most would never recognize. This is part of the significance of the Black Swan. The unexpected element which is the Force in action.

Thus one of the many layers of complexity in which we speak.

Dan you interpret my conversation as a form of obstruction rather than a form of adjustment. Knowledge is given as a means to inform. To provide the tools to see in a more coherent manner so that thought, philosophy, and judgement might result in a more just and right application where integrity is upheld.

Because, you see, the power doesn’t only flow from the land to the sovereign – it flows through him/it and back to the land. In the act of taking kingship/leadership/governance, it has both literally and symbolically merged with the land (thus, the union/relationship with the representative of sovereignty). When a power takes up the kingship/leadership/governance, his/its life is no longer his/its own – it becomes one with the life of the land/Ghost in the Machine/Universal Source.

This is the imperative for conversations such as Dan and I hold.

I show him a link such as this one from earlier:

side note: fyi http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/archives/8396

It depicts a ripple in time, a disturbance in the fabric of our truths, to which the Ghost in the Machine responds. There are valid concerns expressed there which go un-addressed in a certain venue seeking sanction. This is not fear mongering, polarization as expressed by Dan. It is presentation of an unfitness for the emphasis in integrity of judgement, integrity of speech, and integrity in body.

We don't necessarily through the baby out with the bathwater. Global governance is a necessity in the face of unambiguous contact and a necessary step in coherency of human self-sufficiency and spiritual evolution. The question raging across the internet is how best to accomplish it. The political right accuse the elites of moving on it without inclusion or respect of natural rights and representation. The same accusation leveled on the British Crown in 1775. The Elites and their mouth pieces turn around and snarl at the protesters accusations of extremism, small-mindedness, and gun-hugging. Refusing to recognize the meaning in each claim and request for recourse. But the system they are building shall have no recourse, no right to claim, and only a token representation present if the more generous of the elite constructionist have their way.

Is it any wonder of all the people the Source could have asked the ancients to approach to return would be one capable of having discourse in Sanctioning? That when a young illuminist says to me a year ago, "And how do you know so much? You know you're not allowed to...," I am both free and obligated to respond in kind,
"lol my friend, there are some things in this world far older than even the illumined ones." ~ 16 months ago.

Excellent, Cy. I couldn't have said it better, myself.

So, yes, that may be why I am here, and why fate seems to have landed us on the same small raft. RAD radio is another such raft, in a storm tossed sea, that is abou to become even stormier.

Yes, I do, quite desperately, seek your sanction. My only qualm is that you suppose we might fail in this mission. I seriously doubt that this is what is written in the stars. If you do, then we need to go back to the Source.


There is just one tiny point, which separates you from the much larger truth, yes, even from the Source.......

This truth is that the Source does not gamble with our lives. The Source has already counted ever hair on our heads.

I understand that your belief is very prevalent, especially, or predominantly amongst my fellow Xians, who take, very seriously, the notions of Heaven and Hell.

You believe that the Source, as it did with the Atlanteans, Lemurians, etc, and with every planetary system in the infinite multiverse, is quite capable of allowing us, repeatedly, infinitely many times, to fail at our respective missions, world without End.

This is your one tiny misunderstanding of the ancient wisdom, Cy.


2pm--------

It is, by a vast margin, the most prevalent understanding, down through the ages, and especially into modern times, and so my insanity, when I take my stand against this understanding.




(cont.)

Jake Reason wrote:

dan wrote: Cy and Jake,

I wonder, if, in the OMF, 'we' can try to stay away from demonizing the Other, be they another economic class, another religion, other lifestyle, etc?

Absolutely NOT.

There is a vast divide between cultural tolerance, and extending communal hospitality to insanity.

In the BPW, there will continue to be differences, but now they will be celebrated and integrated, into an organic whole, which will be our temporary launchpad to the great beyond.

Not if insanity is a required to be adapted by the world's populous.

That would be the Worst Possible Tyrannical World.

This launchpad will be the KC/NWO....... our Millennial and final temporal kingdom.

And what will be the Nuclear Arms Reserve Limit in your prescribed Kingdom / New World Order; 10,000 or none?

And how many IC controlled Drones will it take to enforce your adoption of mandatory insanity?

I don't see Christ in your prescribed BPW/KC/NWO. All I see is a Trickster. And it is insane.

We are on the same page Jake. You and I both speak with the voice of a representative of Sovereignty, which can come from any whom the Source chooses to utilize. For further clarification what this is....

The answer of Celtic societies (to the problem of conflicts in Tanistry), generally speaking, was this: Let the land choose the sovereign. The sovereignty was understood not primarily as a social contract between subjects and kings, but as a natural force: a numinous power within the land, which was vested in the person of the ruler by the source of the power, in the shape of the representative of sovereignty (modern: Goddess of sovereignty; traditionally feminine). Thus the symbols and vessels of sovereignty were embodiment's of the land (Ghost in the Machine), through which the soul of the land (Universal Source) was understood to make its will known. The Lia Fail, or Stone of Destiny, was the primary embodiment of sovereignty demonstrating this principle – it was said to cry out under the true king, acting quite literally as the voice of the land (Universal Source). We also see the embodiment of the land coming to life in the form of a feminine representative who confers victory in the contest for sovereignty, and who bestows the kingship on the one She has chosen. Her hand rises from the lake, offering the sword; or he meets Her and mates with Her in a flowing river; or he meets Her in a Faery mound, where She offers him a cup to drink. Everywhere She arises with waters, the wellspring of the life within the land. That life force itself is the sovereignty.

Only a fit governance can be invested with this life force.

The last governance to be vested with it was the ORIGINAL Constitutional Republic of the United States with its Bill of (Natural) Rights; a governance for the people by the people under God - a template for a future we might someday gain. A world - a People united and ready to explore and evolve.

Will Chicken Little hear this without modification from Synchronicity's Apprentice?

My only qualm is that you suppose we might fail in this mission. I seriously doubt that this is what is written in the stars. If you do, then we need to go back to the Source.

This truth is that the Source does not gamble with our lives. The Source has already counted ever hair on our heads.

Success is not guaranteed in anything. This is because, despite having counted every hair on our heads; knowing us inside and out, the SOURCE does not interfere with FREE WILL.

This is why Mr Murphy's Law is often prevalent.

It is why even in a best possible world mankind is fully capable of screwing up the moving parts of a rock.

Cy

Well, Cy, I hear a contradiction........

Free-will vs. Divine sovereignty.....

There is little point to free-will, if we be ignorant, and, by the same token, it is otiose, if we be omniscient.

Where does this leave love and morality? Our will-power, our will to power is the product of a cosmic compromise. We have the best possible degree of free-will, and so does God, but not nearly so much as modern existential thought has lead us to believe.

And you speak of Synchronicity. Synchronicity speaks directly to the cosmic compromise that comprises our free-will.

The Ancients knew all about this, Cy. You seem to forget. That is why the spoke so eloquently and knowingly of Destiny. What happened to destiny, Cy? Are we not all Destiny's children?

What the heck is a god of, if not of Destiny? What self-respecting god would deny destiny, pray tell?

I remain mystified as to how this misconception became quite so endemic. It does find its apotheosis and ultimate reductio, within existentialism, the hobgoblin of the modern mind.

With all your ancient wisdom, Cy, I feel that you have fallen prey to this self-same hobgoblin.


2:30--------

But where will we be without an overweening sense of free-will? We will be exactly where we are, stubbornly ensconced between ignorance and wisdom.

So what is the best possible degree of free-will? Well, it is rather less than supposed by the existentialists, and rather more than supposed by the biologists and Calvinists. Yes, civilization has covered all the bases, on this important matter.

In these latter days, we do need to move beyond this cosmic confusion.......

To trancend this confusion, all that we need to understand is that God has the whole world in her hands...... that you and I are rocked in the bosom of Abraham. Nay, we are the bosom of Abraham! That's all.

So, what about all these rumors of Atlantis and Lemuria? With so much smoke, is there no fire?

Yes, there is, and we are headed right into that firery furnace! This is just the finale of the BPWH. The fat-lady is about to sing.



(cont.)

You believe that the Source, as it did with the Atlanteans, Lemurians, etc, and with every planetary system in the infinite multiverse, is quite capable of allowing us, repeatedly, infinitely many time, to fail at our respective missions, world without End.

This is your one tiny misunderstanding of the ancient wisdom, Cy.

No Dan, this is where you misunderstand me. I never said that there is an infinite set of opportunities to achieve this leap to the next stage.

I have said to often enough that making the advanced leap to embrace reunion with the source is not something attainable at the current level of human development. That there are many stages between here and there which must first be met. That what you have worked on is far ahead of its time. And confirmed that the elites have been informed they are not allowed to use weapons of mass destruction of any kind to depopulate. That any attempt at doing so will not propel mankind forward but rather knock it back to square one. A square one where there is not the same opportunity to achieve THE POTENTIAL. That potential subsequently will be lost.

I agree with some parties that in the event of that loss, this planet has the capacity and capability to supply the rise of other new and unique species.

You have not been party to other conversations I have had with other contenders to the crown.

That this timeline is already in the red. That an open transition of the deep black paradigm and a human to human disclosure which was to have preceded all was a window missed in the early 1990s with the illicit "suiciding" of a certain communicator that was to have initiated it.

That the offer made to Catherine Austin Fitts was well met, but not followed through.

That subsequent battles for the surface and transition which included the general population were not fought to their full extent where the actors held greater fear of exposure to their networks.

That the opportunities to achieve the pattern were nearly spent.

That direct intervention was not on the table of the Ancients/Mentors but the return of those who originated here did not violate that doctrine.

That Synchronicity calls all parties to the table.

That failure to achieve the event horizon would have ripple effects spanning far beyond Earth into the welfare and continuance of other worlds in the distant future.

That failure is not an option.

Cyrellys

Well, yes, Cy, it does appear that you and I have come to the right place.

And I am aware of the 'failure' in the early 1990's, in fact, I've been given the impression that my sudden arrival on the scene, then, is just what precipitated that 'failure'. It was no failure, Cy, it was a crucial part of the larger plan.

Disclosure is like an onion, but there are only four layers to this cosmic onion.......

1.) The ancient wisdom

2.) Modern knowledge

3.) The ETH

4.) The UTH

It was the switch from #3 to #4 that was synchronized with the arrival of CL. I spent five, mostly fruitless years, well, fruitless to most everyone except myself, attempting to explain this cosmic bait&switch, on OMF I.

Perhaps I will have more success on OMF II, or on RAD radio.



(cont.)

dan wrote:Well, Cy, I hear a contradiction........

Free-will vs. Divine sovereignty.....

There is little point to free-will, if we be ignorant, and, by the same token, it is otiose, if we be omniscient.

Where does this leave love and morality? Our will-power, our will to power is the product of a cosmic compromise. We have the best possible degree of free-will, and so does God, but not nearly so much as modern existential thought has lead us to believe.

And you speak of Synchronicity. Synchronicity speaks directly to the cosmic compromise that comprises our free-will.

The Ancients knew all about this, Cy. You seem to forget. That is why the spoke so eloquently and knowingly of Destiny. What happened to destiny, Cy? Are we not all Destiny's children?

What the heck is a god of, if not of Destiny? What self-respecting god would deny destiny, pray tell?

I remain mystified as to how this misconception became quite so endemic. It does find its apotheosis and ultimate reductio, within existentialism, the hobgoblin of the modern mind.

With all your ancient wisdom, Cy, I feel that you have fallen prey to this self-same hobgoblin.


2:30--------

But where will we be without an overweening sense of free-will? We will be exactly where we are, stubbornly ensconced between ignorance and wisdom.

So what is the best possible degree of free-will? Well, it is rather less than supposed by the existentialists, and rather more than supposed by the biologists and Calvinists. Yes, civilization has covered all the bases, on this important matter.

In these latter days, we do need to move beyond this cosmic confusion.......

To trancend this confusion, all that we need to understand is that God has the whole world in her hands...... that you and I are rocked in the bosom of Abraham. Nay, we are the bosom of Abraham! That's all.

So, what about all these rumors of Atlantis and Lemuria? With so much smoke, is there no fire?

Yes, there is, and we are headed right into that firery furnace! This is just the finale of the BPWH. The fat-lady is about to sing.



(cont.)

Dan you place Free-Will below Love and Morality in the matrices of the Soul, when instead it stands beside it.

Ignorance is a cure-able disease when all components of the pattern are present. That is what my last post was about.

Synchronicity works with free will. It is the hand of the Ghost in the Machine. Manipulation yes. But not an overt interference any more than mentoring is. Synchronicity's exponential effort at this time is as part of a last ditch effort spurred by the missed windows and loss of communicators of opportunity. I am not party to ALL of its CONSTRUCTS.

Of course I know the Ancients knew this. What did you think THE POTENTIAL was? The potential and destiny are one in the same. BUT NOT GUARANTEED.

It was declared by the one named Jesus and the path of integrity/Virtue/Excellence re-taught among those deemed needful and worthy. Travel and achievement is our responsibility. Whatever is denied us in achieving our potential is our own doing. Not the doing of the Source who saw to it the road was plowed.

dan wrote:Well, yes, Cy, it does appear that you and I have come to the right place.

And I am aware of the 'failure' in the early 1990's, in fact, I've been given the impression that my sudden arrival on the scene, then, is just what precipitated that 'failure'. It was no failure, Cy, it was a crucial part of the larger plan.

Whose larger plan Dan? The Source was not happy about the "suicide" so don't give me some BS that it was the Source's plan because I know better. I'm the one person to which that LIE CANNOT BE MADE! I was there as a young observer not all that long out of high school to be witness to the initiation of that portion of the pattern as part of my education as an apprentice. The fall-out wasn't pretty.

Source not happy........

Now there is a loaded thought. This cannot possibly be the same Source that has counted every hair on your head. We need to get our stories straight, Cy, or we merely add to the confusion. The only Source I know, suffered eight hours on the cross. That was also part of the plan, or do you consider that to have been yet another failure?

And what about the Holocaust? Was that part of the plan, or was your source also 'not happy' about the Holocaust?

With all due deference, Cy, it appears that we are playing this 'game' on two very different levels. When the Aquarium showed up with the UTH, the Aviary all had their noses bent out of shape. They have still not gotten over it.

Does that history have to repeat itself, yet again? Can we not transcend that history?

We have all the time in the world, to get this right, once and for all.