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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    Post by dan Wed Nov 15, 2023 6:56 pm

    First topic message reminder :

    (This topic is a continuation of Personalism 102).

    Why is there something rather than nothing?  

    Looking at it statistically, the likelihood of nothing is minuscule compared likelihood of anything.  

    However, from the perspective of modern cosmology, the Anthropic Principle tells that universes with observers are extremely rare.

    But, by whose say so, can an unobservable universe be said to exist?  

    A related question is what constitutes an observer?

    What if any role might sapience play in the act of observation?
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    But this first post is a header post…….. so I will continue in the following post…….



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    Post by RealPan Mon Oct 07, 2024 4:51 pm

    Why not go to the source:

    The best of all possible worlds is a philosophical argument that states the current world is the best possible world that God could have created. This idea was developed by the 17th-century German philosopher Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz (1646–1716) in his work Theodicy (1710). The argument is also known as Leibnizian optimism.

    Leibniz's argument is based on the assumption that God is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent. He reasoned that God would have known which possible world was the best and chosen to create it. Leibniz's argument is a solution to the problem of evil, which is the apparent contradiction between the existence of evil in the world and the assumption that God is perfectly good.
    Leibniz's argument is based on the idea that there are infinitely many possible worlds, or combinations of compossible beings, in the ideas of God. Beings are possible together when they do not contradict each other.

    Voltaire parodied Leibniz's argument in Candide.


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    Post by RealPan Mon Oct 07, 2024 6:20 pm

    True enough, for a grasp on reality was not your objective.
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    Post by Mr. Janus Mon Oct 07, 2024 6:47 pm

    What's your grasp on reality dude?


    This is still a forum about UFOs and UFO related conspiracy theories.

    Do you and Dan post here to mock people like me?

    Us loons.

    Do you think that's funny?


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    Post by RealPan Mon Oct 07, 2024 6:57 pm

    I post here as a requirement for my internship. The intent of my sponsor is to give me some exposure to lunatics so as to better understand the impact of changing laws that keep lunatics on the streets instead of loony bins where they belong. After President Trump returns to the White House, he will pass a set of Executive Orders with the intent of reversing these trends while also addressing the epidemic of insanity sweeping across our great nation. To Make America Great Again, we must lock up the loons.
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    Post by RealPan Mon Oct 07, 2024 7:00 pm

    Dan has been one of my heroes in the Foundation for many years. It was because of Dan's influence, that I volunteered to be part of the Foundation. Those of you who fail to grasp what he teaches, do so because you long ago poked out your eyes to save your brain from perceiving reality. In the Best Possible World, you are the Least Possibly Denominator.
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    Post by Mr. Janus Mon Oct 07, 2024 7:19 pm

    Tell us about The Foundation

    INTERN

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    Post by RealPan Mon Oct 07, 2024 7:22 pm

    I need not ask my sponsor because she provides answers before the questions. Janus does not have a small mind, Janus has a broken bind. Whether from genetics, narcotics, or a motorcycle head injury, his mind processes independent of the available information, and then he speaks as though having never learned anything. My sponsor can quote Dan verbatim from long before she first spoke with him, and that was long before she arrived, and that was long before she saw her foot.
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    Post by RealPan Mon Oct 07, 2024 7:27 pm

    My time is done. I had my fun. It was a good run. I did not intend that as a pun. Now back to work. Enough with those gone berserk. Although I must say I enjoyed the twerk. Adios you Loons. Enjoy hearing your Toons. I would much rather play with Coons.
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    Post by Mr. Janus Mon Oct 07, 2024 7:33 pm

    RealPan wrote:My time is done. I had my fun. It was a good run. I did not intend that as a pun. Now back to work. Enough with those gone berserk. Although I must say I enjoyed the twerk. Adios you Loons. Enjoy hearing your Toons. I would much rather play with Coons.

    You did good, better than most.


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    Post by dan Tue Oct 08, 2024 7:40 am

    I will be out of town, attending the wedding of Debbie’s nephew……. in the Canyonlands of Utah.  
    ………..


    I had a conversation with Janus.  I was unable to find any substance or coherence.

    I may have to ask him to desist from his multiple random postings.  I am only able to edit his posts on my own threads…….. my alternative is to suspend him from OMF.  

    He is welcome to continue posting on a single thread of his own…..  choice.
    …………..


    In the rest of the world, confusion will continue to increase until Disclosure and/or the Opening.  

    In the meantime both Science and the various spiritual Traditions only continue to falter.  

    For those of us who seek coherence, the best possible world hypothesis (BPWH) offers the only alternative.  

    Out of the Traditions, the BPWH adheres most closely to a combination of Buddhism ☸ and Christianity ✝.  

    Of the various philosophical schools, it adheres mainly to Personalism and Immaterialism.  

    According to the BPWH, the world is geocentric, Anthropocentic and Christocentric.

    Our history describes a timeline from an Alpha to an Omega.  

    Taking history into account, our best possible personal world would consist of an elliptical timeline with two foci…….. the Alpha and the Omega.  

    Noté bené that this ellipse is _not_ describing a world of eternal return (as with Hinduism, for example).  The ellipse describes our best possible singular circuit…….. sub specie aeternitatis.  

    The ellipse could be likened to the Gnostic view wherein we, the emanated ones, proceed into the material world, and, after our sojourn, we return to the our Source…… the One.

    We are relational, interpersonal beings……. being the mutual imaginary playmates of each other……. and that the One or our personal God.  

    Each of us partakes fully of the Divinity…… that is our human nature and destiny.  Our separateness from the One is our primary illusion.

    Space and time are the framework of that primary illusion.  

    The Narrative of our history is the Nexus of all reality.  

    There are other inter-dimensional worlds.  Ours is the primary arena.  

    So, yes, each one of us is a co-Creator of the world…… of everything, including ourselves.

    Our innermost beings are constituted of our better angels.  

    We are the conspiracy to end all conspiracies.

    Any questions…… any complaints?  

    We only have ourselves to answer to.  

    Are we not the cosmic suckers to be putting up with…… all this?  

    In that case, we are the best possible suckers.  

    Ours is the best possible cosmic bootstrap.  

    Please note that Geoffrey Chew originated the notion of the cosmic bootstrap……. we are simply lifting it from its place among the elementary particles to its place amongst persons.

    Thus do we proceed from atoms ⚛ to persons……. and back again.  

    Here’s some speculation…….. if donny wins, three does disclosure…… otherwise, we won’t hold our breath……. or anything.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Oct 08, 2024 12:48 pm

    The only way to know a lunatic is to be a lunatic.

    RP you have awful teachers, just terrible.

    You are a spectator.

    You are a pretender.

    You have no idea what you are saying or doing.

    You are a silly child.

    Go play with the other muppets.

    The Best Possible World is a farce.

    A fairytale for gentlemen to tell each other in their smoky backrooms.

    The world is what it is.

    It resists all explanation.

    It needs none.
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    I’m in Utah for a few days…… with limited internet access
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    Post by dan Fri Oct 11, 2024 7:33 am

    How many of us knew that, if you stand on the tippy, tippy edge of Dead Horse Point, you will see half a mile straight down to Thelma and Louise Point……. and we all know the point of their point.  

    How many of us haven’t gotten the point?

    Glenys and Toby chose to say their vows at this point as the sun descended over the opposite rim……. here at the very edge of space and time.

    We then traveled another hundred miles up the canyon to dance around the fire in the desert, under the stars, the moon and the aurora.  

    Meanwhile, yahya and bibi were doing their own dance in desert…… just to make sure we’d all gotten the point.

    Do we know anyone who hasn’t?

    Even our very own bunny boy has gotten the point…… even though he pretends like crazy that he hasn’t.  

    And, Lord, why can’t we dance under the stars in the desert, forever?

    Because we already have…… we are right now…… and we very soon will….. forever.



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    Post by RealPan Fri Oct 11, 2024 8:57 pm

    First day on the job and I met a dancing fool. So boring is he that I started to drool. Reading the background I plopped onto a stool. Just Muppets are here, so I jumped in the pool. Assigning me this task was really cruel. I did not want to be used as a tool. They never did this to me when I was in school. That is just fine. I will soon break the rule.
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    Post by dan Sat Oct 12, 2024 11:46 am

    RP4,

    You and I have a block or two to go around.  

    Right now we’re on the roof top of the Ouray Brewing Co., on our way home from the wedding at Dead Horse Point.  

    I’m ignorant to the extent of your ignorance.  

    How steep do you wish your learning curve to be?

    two is backing off from donny, the last I heard.

    three was told that the portals would open for five days, and then the Sun would go out.

    That position is open to negotiation.

    That is our definition of a direct encounter with the Eschaton.

    chick holds out for our best possible encounter with the Eschaton …… already written in the stars, but yet to be determined down here.

    We have to head to the airport in a few minutes.
    ………


    Now we’re back in the van……

    My big issue is the best possible, personal world, which is necessarily finite.

    Most modernists believe that the BPWH is crazy land.

    You and I need to get that straight…….. ASAP.  

    Oh, I almost forgot……. Federal employees never work weekends.

    Your exact employment situation needs also to come into our consideration.  

    And we need to know the parameters of your participation, here.

    How are your loyalties divided and compromised?

    We could go on and on, couldn’t we?  

    Do you have the slightest question about my situation…….. RP4, whoever the heck you may be?  
    ………


    Well, goodness, RP4, I’m impressed to see you working this weekend.

    Your putative boss never works weekends, unless under direct instructions from three.

    Next issue is how much do you know about the putative provenance of three…… or am I supposed to be your on the job trainer?
    ……….


    ‘Boring’…….. is, of course, a provocation, but what exactly is RP4 attempting to provoke?

    It so happens that another principal is a self-declared misanthrope.  

    We wonder if RP4 will be honest with us about his beliefs and preferences.  



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    Post by dan Sun Oct 13, 2024 6:56 am

    Why is RP4 here?

    He is here to be our one person captive audience.  

    ……. and to tell us to quit dancing around…….. the Point.

    Ok……. fair enough.

    I was going to say that we have the Truth by the tail.

    But I’ve done one better……..

    I’ve tied a knot in the Truth’s tail.

    I’ve danced very patiently around the Truth, for all these years.

    I think it’s high time to move on.



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    Post by RealPan Sun Oct 13, 2024 9:02 am

    By the tree, I can see three. She is looking up, but not for her pup. She is looking down, but not with a frown. She is gathering eggs, but not with her legs. It is a small world she thinks, but then she blinks. Be clear of purpose today. Do not let truth get away.
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    Post by dan Sun Oct 13, 2024 7:32 pm

    RP4,

    You speak of breaking the rules.  

    I am here to break the Rule of modernism…….

    Modernism broke the notion of Truth.

    Modernism atomized the Truth.

    I’m here to restore the wholeness of Truth.

    Truth is essentially inter-personal.

    Every person has a personal access……. and together we are capable of acting as a phased array antenna……. an antenna focused on our personal Source….. the I Am……. the cosmic quantum, participatory observer.



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    Post by RealPan Sun Oct 13, 2024 7:58 pm

    I listen to the Princess and compose notes to aid in my comprehension. She was the inspiration for your awakening. She is the inspiration for my imagination. Your task is to share your notes with the world -- what some might think of as disclosure -- Not a set of facts, but a set of understandings. Stop responding to those who do not want to understand. Break the rules and speak only Truth.
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    Post by dan Sun Oct 13, 2024 8:11 pm

    Wonderful……. and allow me to continue with the abstract….. for a moment……

    The Hindus say, in reference to the supreme reality…… thou art that……. tat tvam asi……  

    Kierkegaard speaks of I and Thou….. in the same vein.

    The Quakers say……. there is that of God in every one of us.
    ……..


    You speak rather plainly of the Princess…… something I have been hesitant to do.

    On occasion we have both referred to her as the goddaughter.

    And, yes, she has said that she was the one who inspired me…….. back in 1977……. leading me to John 16…. the next morning.

    Yes, I continue to attempt to share that inspiration with the world….. from that day, forward.

    You could be my first witness-associate, in the process of sharing.  

    If we wish to share this task, we both need to be entirely open and transparent.

    You come here as a government employee.

    That would be a primary test of our mutual candor.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon Oct 14, 2024 10:52 am

    People who follow are cattle.

    There is no disclosure beyond self disclosure.

    There is no one to know beyond yourself.

    This is why I feel Dan’s friends are total frauds and liars.

    They can’t be real.

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    Post by RealPan Mon Oct 14, 2024 11:03 am

    I was warned that the Chicken is a deceiver. I am a high school student, and I have never been a government employee. I have never referred to the Princess as a goddaughter, although that is a very relevant perspective.
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    Post by dan Mon Oct 14, 2024 11:35 am

    RP4,

    Please, don’t throw accusations around.  

    I was told that you were an intern……. that typically involves, at the least, some official recognition.  

    I didn’t say that the gd designation was from you.

    I left the source ambiguous, purposely, to deter googling day trippers.  

    It would be helpful to know how your presence here came about.

    Please understand that the other ‘interns’ suggested that they participated here only under duress.

    This seems an unlikely condition for a high school student.

    And please be more specific about any particular deceptions two has accused me of.  
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    I am finding that considerable notice has been generated by Wigner’s ‘friend’.  It goes well beyond the more superficial attention given to Schrodinger’s ‘cat’.

    It is noteworthy that Wigner later abandoned his ‘friend’, in favor of the many worlds interpretation (MWI).

    It’s easy to speculate that both Wheeler and Wigner came under considerable peer pressure to tone down their speculation on the metaphysics of a quantum universe.  
    …………..


    Generally speaking, with a geocentric, immaterial world, ‘reality’ only extends far enough to keep the Katechon intact, up until the Eschaton.  

    In other words, there is nothing out, beyond what is needed to save the appearances, from down here.

    These appearances just need to be sufficiently detailed, to keep the astronomers from getting too restless 😬, prior to Disclosure.

    The anomalies on the fringes of science just need to be held at bay.

    And who is saving the appearances?  

    Teleologically, it is ourselves, in our roles of co-Creators.

    It is the astronomers who are painting the sky 🌌 with their telescopes 🔭 as their paint 🎨 brushes.

    Suppose one of the Mars rovers fell into a canal, for instance.

    The NASA folks would go crazy 🤪.  

    The Telos needs to consist of astronomer-monitoring angels 👼, looking out for the sanity of their mundane counterparts…… and this is all transpiring sub specie aeternitatis, of course.

    Olber’s paradox and Mach’s principle play a big part in the ‘painting’ of the sky 🌌…… those concepts provide the guard rails in saving the appearances.

    Scientists of every stripe are watching the pot, and, in doing so, by the ‘quantum’ observer effect, they are keeping it from boiling over….. right up until the Omega point.  

    This is how we keep the lid on Pandora’s box 📦, right up until the big Opening-Disclosure.  

    After that…….. we follow the light 💡…… qv.

    Following the light leads us back to the Telos……. the I Am…..etc….. and then we will know ourselves for the first time.

    Do keep in mind that our collective consciousness is dissolving into our collective unconscious.
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    So where did we find the energy to power the best possible Metanarrative?

    Well, recall that…….



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    You may follow the light, until there is no more. Then it is time to shut the door. Do not look when you hear the lion roar, or the gates gates will be open so long as the eagles soar.
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    Post by dan Mon Oct 14, 2024 7:10 pm

    RP4,

    Sorry…… the only riddle of interest is the best possible one.

    If you want to contribute, it will no longer be a game.
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    The rule is that Nothing cannot exist…… especially not by its lonesome.

    That leaves us with Something.

    There’s no cause……. no effect.

    If there is any arising, it would co-dependent.

    Ok, call it a Strange Bootstrap…… very strange.

    There is no exterior…… no space, time or energy.

    If there could be one strange bootstrap, why not an uncountable infinity of them?

    We probably have to invoke the identity of indiscernibles……. implying some sort of identifier.

    So the I Am awakens in a cosmic isolation tank.



    (cont……..)


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