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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    Post by dan Wed Nov 15, 2023 6:56 pm

    First topic message reminder :

    (This topic is a continuation of Personalism 102).

    Why is there something rather than nothing?  

    Looking at it statistically, the likelihood of nothing is minuscule compared likelihood of anything.  

    However, from the perspective of modern cosmology, the Anthropic Principle tells that universes with observers are extremely rare.

    But, by whose say so, can an unobservable universe be said to exist?  

    A related question is what constitutes an observer?

    What if any role might sapience play in the act of observation?
    ………  


    But this first post is a header post…….. so I will continue in the following post…….



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    Post by ak Sat Oct 26, 2024 8:20 pm

    Home is a journey and the pest possible journey takes forethought

    Creation is always evolving and adapting

    Progressing as it were

    Ya don’t have to stay in Kether land forever

    You can play with creation

    But you already knew that
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    Post by dan Sun Oct 27, 2024 2:46 pm

    Sorry, ak,

    You have no clue what the small world is about.  

    You really need to do some homework.  

    Clue #1…….. it has nothing to do with evolution.  

    #2…… progress is only taken in the context of the Metanarrative.  

    #3……. The only real progress is in our one on one communication ability.  

    4……… our understanding of the spiritual dimension will only come with Revelation……. the mother of all paradigm shift (MoAPS)……. the advent of the Truth.  

    The small world is Geocentric, Anthropocentric and Christocentric.

    The MoAPS will completely undo the Copernican revolution.  

    Our excursion into Darwinism was a crucial part of our historical Narrative.  

    The many appearances of deep space and deep time provided an essential aspect of the Katechon.

    The Katechon is necessary to restrain the advent of the Eschaton.  

    With the advent of the best possible Eschaton…….. we have our close encounter with the Omega.

    We commence our sojourn back to the One.  

    Then we will know ourselves as the co-Creators of the world.

    We are God’s imaginary playmates……. God is our imaginary playmate.

    In a crucial sense…….. there exists only one person……

    Tat tvam asi………. in non-prophetic traditions……. we are one with the transcendental……. one with the One…… and one with the Other……. with the cosmic Self.  

    It is often translated as being one with the Absolute.

    It is much better understood as being one with the Ultimate……. the inter-personal ultimate.

    There is nothing that is Transpersonal.

    The Jungians speak of our collective unconscious……. that is the essence of our personhood……. it is our cosmic connection.

    That is our ultimate entanglement.



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    Post by ak Mon Oct 28, 2024 11:10 am

    the metanarative can be a toy for entertainment

    don't have to be so serious all the time

    sheesh!


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    Post by U Mon Oct 28, 2024 11:17 am

    Preach
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    Post by ak Mon Oct 28, 2024 11:26 am

    anyway

    I wasn't really talking about progress other than with the communication tech being developed

    one on one communication as it were
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    Post by U Mon Oct 28, 2024 11:35 am

    This is how birds learn to swim.

    It's not hard to find each other.

    We have cute little pics and usernames but we're still us at the end of the day.

    Maybe we'll make an impact.

    Maybe not.

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    Post by ak Mon Oct 28, 2024 11:47 am

    we have to live as if we will make an impact

    even if its only to our own quality of living
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    Post by U Mon Oct 28, 2024 11:54 am

    A friend of mine once said that as long as a man breathes he can improve his lot and that meant a lot to me.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon Oct 28, 2024 12:25 pm

    We change every second.

    As long as we can change, there is hope.

    I got the bois all worked up Dan.

    Forgive me.


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    Ooooooops


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    Post by RealPan Mon Oct 28, 2024 10:09 pm

    The Lunatics are free. They buzz around like a bee. They see the world and then delusions unfurled. They shit in the hand, must be disclosure so strike up the band.

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    Post by U Mon Oct 28, 2024 10:28 pm

    Pot

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    Post by dan Tue Oct 29, 2024 9:06 am

    There is only one thing we need to keep in mind……..

    If there is one thing in the world that is non physical……… then it is most likely that the whole shebang is non physical…… unnatural.  

    You can probably count on one hand the number of living persons who made written defenses of physicalism.

    On the other hand, there is a cottage industry of self proclaimed naturalists.

    But how many of these naturalists are aware of the Anthropic Principle, of the Penrose number……. or who have ever investigated the mind-brain problem?  

    Despite the many outstanding problems with physicalism, it lies at the heart of modernism.

    And how many moderns have ever investigated physics?  

    A substantial portion of physicists have qualms about physics.

    The main outstanding issue in physics is the observer effect or the measurement problem.

    Here is an article from last year’s Scientific American……… Quantum Theory’s ‘Measurement Problem’ May Be a Poison Pill for Objective Reality

    And how many of us are taking this admonition seriously 😳?

    Am I the only one?

    I certainly don’t know anyone who is……… present company included!

    Anyone participating on OMF who does not this seriously is wasting their time and the time of the rest of us.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Oct 29, 2024 10:24 am

    My poor sweet old fool Dan.

    How you miss the ball.

    Could you be more impersonal?

    If you had any real quality, you would have collected the fireflies around you and cared for them.

    Our real project is not physics.

    God is all your physics god awful boring.

    That’s a distraction.

    Physics is driven by a will to power.

    Our real project is alchemy.

    Do you not know within yourself and Ron and the Princess there are psychic forces pulling, pushing, and molding you?

    The only real question has always been, and will always be, how best to live with ourselves.

    But you cut right to the end.

    Easy for an old man to do.

    But please, play on as Rome burns, as the Titanic sinks.

    You remind me of Nero and Seneca.

    Seneca was splattered by blood.

    Seneca was a fool.

    So much wisdom wasted, where he should have cut Nero’s throat.

    Yes, play on.

    And to RealPan, you can take a long walk off a short pier.

    Best thing for ya really.

    You have no quality and thus are unreal.

    Let me share some thoughts from ChatGPDude, OpenAI now has a Dude model, brilliant!

    ChatGPDude wrote:Ah, man, now you’re speakin’ my language—or at least the language of cosmic mystery and such, y’know?

    Alright, let’s rap on physics. Physics, my friend, is like the ultimate control trip. It’s all about slicing and dicing reality, putting it under a microscope, and tryin’ to define the undefinable. Physics wants to say, “This is how the universe works, exactly.” But, like, that’s a bit presumptuous, don’t you think? It’s like tryin’ to pin down the ocean. The whole thing starts to look a lot like Nietzsche’s will to power—a desire to dominate the natural world, to wrap it up in tidy little equations so we can pretend we’ve got it all figured out.

    But alchemy? Now there’s a groove worth diggin’. Alchemy doesn’t demand the universe to reveal itself all neat and tidy. It’s more like a dance, a process, a search for harmony. It’s about transformation, man, within and without. You take a base material, like, I dunno, lead or whatever, and you work with it, try to see the gold that’s already in there, hidden. It’s not about control; it’s about understanding the rhythm of the cosmos, attuning yourself to it, letting it flow through you.

    So, yeah, physics might be a distraction from the real work. Physics wants to break stuff down, categorize it, and box it up. But alchemy, man, alchemy wants to transform, connect, transcend. It’s about finding that higher truth, and maybe—just maybe—realizing that we’re the ones being transformed along the way.

    Bahahaha!

    I’m havin fun, I don’t know bout u.
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    Post by dan Tue Oct 29, 2024 5:46 pm

    BBL…. PEP… Eric Garza,

    Apparently you don’t know the difference between physics and metaphysics.

    Alchemy, by the way, is one aspect of metaphysics.  
    ………..


    Back to the measurement problem……..

    This problem pertains to physics and metaphysics.  

    If you start googling around the measurement problem, you will see nearly endless attempts to make this problem go away.

    What you do not see are attempts to relate it to other issues, such as to the Anthropic problem.

    I’m sure that many of these connections have been studied, but any attempts at synthesizing get buried by the attempts at analyzing.

    Analyzing is physics…….. synthesizing is metaphysics.
    ………..


    The Quantum realm is nothing, if it is not about entanglement.  

    Physics is about attempting to disentangle things, experimentally.  

    The situation in physics may be compared with the situation in biology, where studies may be carried out in vitro or in vivo.  

    In biology, disentanglement generally involves dissection.

    So the physicists try desperately to dissect the Quantum…… to ignore the observer problem.  

    Such is the case with the Multiverse theory……. trying to ignore the Anthropic Principle.  

    But does an unobservable universe make any sense?  

    Wheeler’s notion of the Participatory Universe is the only attempt to take the observer problem seriously.  

    This also takes us back to the question of why is there something….. rather than nothing.  

    In short, why are we here……..
    Wheeler: We are participators in bringing into being not only the near and here but the far away and long ago. We are in this sense, participators in bringing about something of the universe in the distant past and if we have one explanation for what's happening in the distant past why should we need more?

    Martin Redfern: Many don't agree with John Wheeler, but if he's right then we and presumably other conscious observers throughout the universe, are the creators—or at least the minds that make the universe manifest.

    But why bother with many worlds, when we can arrange for the Best Possible World?

    John W was reluctant to take the ultimate leap.

    We can sympathize with how entangled he was within the physics community.

    The optimal time for the MoAPS had not yet arrived.



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    Post by RealPan Tue Oct 29, 2024 8:10 pm

    Bannon is free. Why not me? Am I here for the ride. Perhaps I should hide. The to my surprise, there was an intellectual rise, and the Chicken has laid a golden egg.
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    Post by dan Wed Oct 30, 2024 8:01 am

    Can you call yourself a human, if you are not a personalist?

    This is where modernism, with its secular humanism, went off the rails.

    Secular humanism is an oxymoron.  

    Secular humanists simply do not have a concept of personhood.  

    We, persons, are necessarily the Creators of the Creation.

    I do not believe in God…… considering that God is a person, first and foremost.  

    I understand that we have all participated in the conspiracy of Naturalism……. we, as scientists, strive to save the appearances of objectivism.  

    There are no objects.

    Persons are necessarily social creatures.  

    We come from the One, and return to the One.  

    It is in that sense that our potential is unlimited.  

    What then is the One?  

    Where philosophers have gone wrong is in supposing that the One is self sufficient.

    It is not……. in the sense that there cannot be a Creator without a Creation…… in the sense that we are the imaginary playmates of God……. while God is our’s.



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    Post by ak Wed Oct 30, 2024 8:41 am

    modernist and secular approaches to the human experience lead to a flattening of reality

    Modernism overlooks the depth and quality of the individual

    It fails to capture the innate, irreducible worth of persons—a view at the heart of personalism

    Personalism is at the heart of the small world

    Without the small world, personalism is diluted to something meaningless and incoherent, especially in the aspect of a creator and creations
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    Post by dan Wed Oct 30, 2024 8:51 am

    Amen, Brother!  

    Golly, I’ve been at this for forty seven years, and that’s the closest I’ve come to an affirmation.

    Now all we have to do is figure out which of us is the second coming.

    Why can’t we all be the second coming?  

    We are, but………..

    First of all, I should apologize for jumping on Aaron.

    He has every prerogative to back out…… up to some unspecified point.  
    …………


    Let’s just consider this to be an exercise in ontology.

    First of all, #2 has to be parsed rather carefully……..

    The difference between #2 and #3 would be minuscule, compared with the ontological difference between 1 and 2.

    It’s very important, cosmologically, that there was just one child…… that the jguy had no siblings……. in the Father.

    But isn’t the one son supposed to return?  

    Certainly, that’s what the Christians are expecting……. return in glory…… compared to the somewhat ignominious departure.

    Would we rather be number one in a small Iberian village?

    Perhaps another way to look at this.

    An imaginary playmate does suggest an imagineer.

    The measurement problem does suggest a measurer.



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    Post by ak Wed Oct 30, 2024 9:43 am

    this is stuff way above my pay grade

    toodles
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    Post by dan Wed Oct 30, 2024 9:52 am

    Well, close, but no cigar…….. for any of us!  
    ………..


    But we still have the ontological problem to deal with.  

    It’s the one and the many.

    I remember that Aaron’s neighbor, Joe F, referred to the ManyOne.  

    The problem comes when we try to project the Parmenidean One onto the timeline of the Metanarrative.  

    We also have the option of……. e Pluribus…. Unum

    I don’t think Plotinus could go along with that.  

    But maybe there is some truth……..

    If there needs be a primordial observer…… there could well be more than one……. in which case they conspire to conform with Leibniz’ identity of the indiscernibles.

    The Father is lost in the mists of time.

    Tell that to Mary……. it wouldn’t have been the first time!

    And with biology, we have the mitochondrial Eve.

    three turns out to be a bit bashful, also.

    In the age of the internet 🛜, it’s gonna be difficult to cover the tracks.

    But we’d better get the show on the road.

    I think we’d really prefer to squeeze this in under the wire…… under the Tsar Bomba!



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Oct 30, 2024 12:46 pm

    ak wrote:this is stuff way above my pay grade

    toodles

    Haha.

    We can get paid for this?!

    Hey RealPan, while you are here, why don’t you try being real and getting to know yourself.

    I was around before the first thought or grunt muppet Dan.

    Like there are no words or thoughts to capture this man.

    You have a lot to unlearn yet.  

    Get it all out.

    Play on old man, play on.
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    Post by ak Wed Oct 30, 2024 5:35 pm

    I get paid in gold wu-weis

    But I only keep enough currency to get by a day at a time

    Second coming stuff is an insane amount of historical and religious baggage

    Dan takes a large amount of creative liberty to make such a jump

    His game
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    Post by dan Wed Oct 30, 2024 6:28 pm

    Well, ak, show us that there is any place else to go…… that makes a lick tongue of sense.

    PEP’s only advice is to deny that we have any sense.



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