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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    Post by dan Wed Nov 15, 2023 6:56 pm

    First topic message reminder :

    (This topic is a continuation of Personalism 102).

    Why is there something rather than nothing?  

    Looking at it statistically, the likelihood of nothing is minuscule compared likelihood of anything.  

    However, from the perspective of modern cosmology, the Anthropic Principle tells that universes with observers are extremely rare.

    But, by whose say so, can an unobservable universe be said to exist?  

    A related question is what constitutes an observer?

    What if any role might sapience play in the act of observation?
    ………  


    But this first post is a header post…….. so I will continue in the following post…….



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    Post by ak Sat May 25, 2024 8:38 am

    https://www.youtube.com/live/6joO3QvmMzo?si=DBC9ekxpAoD--Mwr

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    Post by ak Sat May 25, 2024 8:41 am

    I remote viewed sleepy joe loosing

    Ha!
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    Post by dan Sat May 25, 2024 9:50 am

    Portal,

    Thanks for the Jorjani link.  He usually has something useful to say.  

    He’s pretty clueless about the jguy and the MoAPS.

    Are you a Trump supporter? Why, in ten words or less?
    ………


    I’m presently attempting to read Uberboyo’s Foreword to Philosophy of the Future.

    He’s talking about the Islamic predilection for strongmen.

    But then……..
    Here is the opposite of a warrior. Here is the idealization of the limp man who conquers nothing.
    ………
    But is this ideal the best one for our times? Does it squarely fit our problems? The Christian martyr is rigid in his perspective, and he has to be if he is to die for it. Is it truly functional as the highest aim? Our age is not the same as all that came before.
    Now I’m onto Jorjani’s Introduction……

    It’s only getting better.  

    I’m just waiting for the MoAPS.
    ………..


    Ok, I’m all the way to page 35……..

    Jorjani has made it clear that there’s not gonna be a major paradigm shift.

    Like every other modern, Jorjani has been mesmerized by the stars ✨.

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sat May 25, 2024 1:54 pm

    The true man does not conquer others, he conquers himself.

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    Post by dan Sat May 25, 2024 2:34 pm

    So, yes, Jorjani has no clue.  

    That was the intent…….. to mesmerize us, moderns, with the stars…. and the bones.
    …………


    In the meantime, with the seven wise guys coming into their respective positions…… the reunion is being moved forward.  

    There might still be a spot for chick 🐣.

    Two of the positions have been secured, with five more to go.



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    Post by ak Sat May 25, 2024 9:50 pm

    Yes, I am indeed a Trump supporter

    For one

    Trump has stated he will support self custody of cryptocurrency

    10 words on the money just for you
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    Post by Mr. Janus Sun May 26, 2024 12:25 am

    You're a bunch of goofballs.


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    Post by Mr. Janus Sun May 26, 2024 12:53 am

    Big Bunny Love wrote:The true man does not conquer others, he conquers himself.

    If I could pick I wouldn't, settle for both as it were.

    Loved and feared etc.

    I wouldn't be the first.


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    Post by dan Mon May 27, 2024 4:01 am

    It is cold and there is steam on the water.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon May 27, 2024 1:59 pm

    Fun times!

    Let the good times roll.
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    Post by dan Tue May 28, 2024 2:12 pm

    Yes, we are experiencing some last minute jitters before setting out on the voyage to take us to the anticipated rendezvous in the northern sea.  The bandwidth in that region is expected to be very limited…….. so don’t expect much blogging.



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    Post by dan Wed May 29, 2024 6:29 am

    At the last minute, three expressed the opinion that I was not suitably prepared to proceed to the Reunion.  Two, three and four are proceeding without me…….. as far as I am presently aware.  

    I have done what can to express my concerns about the alleged opening.

    We can trust that things will work out for the best, regardless.  

    Close only counts in horseshoes and eschatology.  

    And xxxxx is certainly a hotspot.  

    And, yes……. to the ends of the Earth 🌎……..
    ………


    On my return journey…….

    It was so near, yet so far. Also so far…….

    The portal event, followed by the solar event describes a full on eschaton.

    The best possible e event (bpee) I also call a close encounter with the Omega as we return to the Alpha.

    What will measure the closeness of our encounter?

    How many portals open, might be one measure.

    We are also talking about the coming of the kingdom……. coming to earth.

    This could be simply the outpouring of the Truth, which would not be unlike the outpouring of cosmic love……. we realize that we are all God’s imaginary playmates, and, at the same time, realize that each of us is also God.

    How much additional trauma will be associated with the bpee (sorry about the phonics).?

    I’d love to suppose that we’d already seen worst…… and believe it’s entirely possible.

    It’s entirely possible that we won’t deploy the bomba, for instance.

    Then all we have to worry about is starvation/metabolism.

    Someone told me that (the lack of) metabolism on the other side is not really a problem. I can almost believe that. Somehow we just start forgetting about food, etc.

    This might have something to do with our recovering from our cosmic MPD, which is caused by trauma.

    We might hope that love will be the opposite of trauma……. battlefields become orgies….. or something like that.

    CoCreation has been an uphill struggle.

    Imagine running the movie backwards, somehow.

    Suffer the children……. unsuffer……..

    Ah, yes, how do we unsuffer….. would that be insufferable? I don’t think so!

    Love, as we know it, are glimpses of eternity.

    Yes, suffer them….. glimpses.

    By all means, suffer them the internet!

    Pilots’ only job is to make every flight as boring as possible!

    At this reunion thingy, it seems like three and I are going through the same portal in opposite directions, bless her heart!

    It’s simple but complicated. Best possible simple…… best possible complicated.

    It’s unsufferable!

    And think about two…….. there’s a job….. and a half.


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    Post by Mr. Janus Thu May 30, 2024 1:09 am

    You're a fucking creep.

    Mayne Two will wake up and realize that 1 day.


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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu May 30, 2024 5:00 am

    Simmer down there two face Wink

    ”Heed these words, you who wish to probe the depths of Nature: If you do not find within your Self that which you seek, neither will you find it outside. If you ignore the wonders of your own House, how do you expect to find other wonders? In you is hidden the Treasure of Treasures. Know Thyself and you will know the Universe and the Gods." —Oracle of Delphi
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    Post by dan Thu May 30, 2024 5:09 am

    Mr J,

    I’m doubtful that two needs your opinion.
    ………….

    BB,

    Thank you.

    Excellent advice, on the part of the Oracle.

    This is what we moderns are about to wake up to……. our own wisdom….. so skillfully concealed from ourselves over the millennia of our co-Creation.



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    Post by Mr. Janus Thu May 30, 2024 6:56 am

    Perhaps my statement was a bit uncharitable.

    I apologize.

    It's just that sometimes your rhetoric comes off as a bit wacky and leaves room for misinterpretation.

    My bad.


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    Post by dan Thu May 30, 2024 9:11 am

    Mr J,

    I do thank you for your apology.

    Let us please proceed on a more even keel.
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    Post by Mr. Janus Thu May 30, 2024 9:27 pm

    Absolutely


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    Post by Mr. Janus Thu May 30, 2024 9:31 pm

    I would also suggest that our forum moderators take a more active presence, once again.



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    Post by dan Fri May 31, 2024 2:39 pm

    Humanism is speciesism……. personalism is not.  

    Personalism is the belief that we are not animals.  

    Persons are not rational animals.  

    Human potential includes mainly our potential as transcendental beings.  

    And where does totemism fit into this dichotomy?  

    As co-Creators, we stand to animals as many suppose that God stands to us.

    So, yes, we might say that animals existed in the Dream Garden as our imaginary helpmates and companions.  

    But don’t we belong to each other in the same way?  

    I do struggle for the simple answer…….

    It probably has something to do with the individual soul.

    We do have individual eidetic memories.  

    Dogs know their masters……… much as a homing pigeon knows its home.  

    We can suppose that this sort of knowledge derives from the human Noosphere.  

    The instinctive part of our collective consciousness is shared with animals.  

    Our Logos distinguishes us.  

    How are animals excluded from the Logos?  

    Couldn’t this exclusion be just a matter of degree?  
    ………


    Do keep in mind that persons are necessarily social with each other.  

    This is a cultural/tribal trait from which animals are necessarily excluded.

    Language and song underpin ethosphere.

    This distinction gives us our transcendental dimension……. which takes on an ontological dimension.

    This is the source of God in each of us.

    Yes, Virginia, there is no God, other than the One we share at the core of our transcendental Being that we share with one another.  

    This is the basis of our co-dependent arising from our common cosmic Source……. our cosmic Observer.  

    We come from Heaven trailing clouds of glory, including especially our Primal Garden.

    Yes, our Kingdom come……. on Earth as it is in Heaven.

    This is the Rapture…… the opening of the Portals.  

    We pull ourselves together…….  from the Omega….. all the way back to our Alpha/Source.  

    This is the personalism that the other traditions were not quite able to manage.  

    The jguy is the essential dimension that can easily be shared with all.

    Is chick 🐣 in that stratosphere?  

    I’m just waiting for the real one to make the scene.  

    That potential is something that we all share.

    That’s what the jguy almost managed to get across.

    Fortunately he failed…… so the best possible history could unfold.  

    Will three cooperate in this endeavor?  

    Yes, in her own very inimitable manner……. bless her heart!



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    Post by dan Sat Jun 01, 2024 7:18 am

    I can well remember respecting Darwin for having gotten us out from under the dead hand of religious fundamentalism…… and I still do, but now from a larger perspective.  

    I still respect Darwin for the very important role that he played in our Metanarrative.  

    And, yes, it is very important to keep in mind that the God of Revelation is also, necessarily, the God of Concealment.

    Nature is the veil between us and a higher truth.

    And, no, I don’t believe in God……. certainly not in any absolutist sense.  

    I do believe in a conspiracy of our higher angels.  

    Those angels have a great interest in our getting out in the world…….. and developing our self awareness and self confidence.  

    But ultimately those angels are ours.  

    The veil of Nature is a mightily impressive.  

    It has kept our best and brightest mesmerized for centuries.  

    There have been very few exceptions.

    I do not count myself amongst the best and brightest……. but I do count myself as an exception to the modern, objectivist mindset.

    Objectivism has always been a primary bugaboo of the human mind.  

    Monotheism has a place at the top of the list.

    But being an absolutist about relativity is not necessarily the answer.  

    What lies between the extremes of objectivism a subjectivism.  

    What about Truth?

    Again, there are objective and subjective versions of truth.

    Well, there are two theories of truth…….. the correspondence and coherence theories.  

    The coherence theory is weighted towards an inter-subjective interpretation.  
    …………


    Yes, our greatest hope may lie in the possibility of a shared Truth.  

    The scientific revolution has done damage to any notion truth……. by analyzing and dissecting truth beyond all recognition.  

    This bulldozing of the truth has been a necessary prelude to a final Revelation.  

    Truth is then to be reconstituted out of these fragments……. keeping in mind its necessary holistic nature.

    The basis of this hope is the notion that we can and will be saved…… this hope exists despite all appearances to the contrary.  

    Yes, we are in this boat together.  

    We are the primary fragments that can and will be made whole.

    We cannot accomplish this alone.

    Nor can it be accomplished as enclaves……. as tribes.

    Yes, this appears to be an impossible aspiration…… especially at present…….. but many of us agree that these may well be the Endtimes.  

    And then we may come to realize that this task is actually enormously easy, once we tap into our inner strength.  

    What is this inner strength?  

    It derives from the very simple realization that we are not comprised of atoms swerving in the void.

    Something has emerged from those swerving atoms.  

    It is something terribly familiar…… nothing is more important to us than ourselves.  

    Yes, certainly this could be an illusion, as science insists.  

    Science commands our attention, as long as it holds the key to our future.  

    That belief, however, is gradually being worn down.  

    Science is under siege from many sides.  

    Modernists see this siege as just another sign of the collapse of civilization.  

    I do not possess proof to the contrary…….. however, there are many signs to the contrary…….. once you put your mind looking for hope.  

    This gestalt switch is not easy to embrace……. it cannot be done by oneself…….. and chick 🐣 is certainly not the only one who is so disposed.  

    However, one aspect of this gestalt of hope is to be found in our pre-modern understandings.

    In as much as there is any source of communal hope it is to be found in the prophetic tradition.
    ………….


    But, we moderns have gotten a taste of our freedom…….. and largely it is freedom from religion……… a freedom made possible by the advent of science.  

    Anything that might smack of religion comes under great suspicion as  being a vehicle to drag us back to those bad old days.  

    This is certainly true of the Bunny/Eric.  

    BB has found his spiritual fulfillment……… just on his own.  

    And so have many others…….. outside the strictures of any organized religion…….. thank you very much.  

    Isn’t religion and any sort of soul work supposed to be a personal affair?
    ………….


    Despite some ominous signs on the horizon, most of us, moderns feel rather secure as we go about our daily lives……. our daily meditations, etc……..

    Wonderful, but…….

    The possibility that we might be more than bags of chemicals…. cannot be simply a private affair.

    Hey, we might admonish…….. whether or not I might possess anything resembling a soul is strictly a private matter…….. it is no one else’s business.

    This is where we have all ended up……. with our modernism.

    I’m quite ready to declare that this is not a stable endpoint.

    So, ok, what about secular humanism?

    Is this not a perfectly viable alternative?

    Who needs any metaphysics?

    I’m suggesting that what we don’t need is to turn our educational system over the establishment of scientific materialism.

    But this is exactly what we have been doing since the founding of the Nation.

    If anyone doesn’t like it, there are an abundance of extracurricular alternatives.

    I could point instead to the mass media for failing deal with any ultimate issues……. and isn’t that why we have the internet……. just like here at OMF?



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    Post by dan Sun Jun 02, 2024 7:14 am

    The secular/scientific establishment was already well entrenched by the time Darwin made the scene.  

    He delivered the final blow to any substantive notion of a transcendental dimension.

    The only holdouts would be the fundamentalists.

    In particular, the academy was taken over by the secularists.

    The only agreement amongst the secularists was that the only objects were atoms and arbitrary collections thereof.  

    Yes, life was an absurdity in a meaningless universe……. not to put it too bluntly.

    The only pushback to the existential dictum was to be found in secular humanism.
    Secular humanists believe that humans can be ethical and moral without religion or belief in a deity.
    Yes we can, if we feel like it.  

    With the backing of a strong and respected legal system, secular humanism fares rather well.
    ……….


    David Chalmers, in a 1993 thesis, under D Hofstadter, introduced consciousness as a scientific problem, the Hard Problem.

    But he pulled his punches by dismissing self-consciousness as the easy problem.  

    He ignored any possible connection with the quantum measurement problem.  

    By these studied deflections did David keep the core of scientific materialism protected with just a rather thin veil of panpsychism.  

    And so it is, to this day……. the mind remains as only a curious puzzle for science.  

    There is nothing serious here, ontologically…… no, no!

    Please, everybody….. pay it no mind…… just keep YouTubing……

    Personalism does not appear……. not even on a distant horizon.

    I have a theory about this dismissal.  

    Many folks have a virtual awareness…… if we ever got serious about the mind, it would lead to the mother of all paradigm shifts…… the MoAPS.  

    With the MoAPS on the table, could the Eschaton be far behind?

    And then, sports fans, it only gets much worse……..

    Someone, somewhat resembling chick 🐣 becomes the SoT.

    And then it gets even worse……..

    The chick morphs into the second coming.

    The jguy tried to warn us of this eventuality, but we were much too busy just trying to explain the Incarnation.

    Yes, ……. on Earth as it is in Heaven.  

    We are the Incarnation…….. get over it, get used to it!  

    We are very far on our way to becoming one with the One.  

    All we need is for one teeny-weeny portal to open…… but my goddaughter refuses to speak to me.

    Goodness……. who among us could possibly blame her?  

    She’s simply holding her finger in a rather leaky dike, bless her heart 💜.  



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    Post by dan Mon Jun 03, 2024 6:50 am

    Some interesting articles in today’s nyt………

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/06/03/opinion/covid-lab-leak.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

    https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/03/world/americas/claudia-sheinbaum-jewish-mexico-president.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare


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    https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/03/t-magazine/photography-robert-frank-gordon-parks.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

    And there are a bunch of other articles in today’s edition that I’ll regret not having had a chance to peruse.  
    ……….


    As a proximal note…….. foot once informed me that he had sent two teams into Wuhan to investigate the origins of COVID-19.  

    As another proximal note……. three principals in my group strongly advise against such perusals.  The sot does tend to go whither the spirit does blow.  How can chick help it?
    ………..


    My tendency is to observe and report.  

    I’m rather averse to manipulation or insinuation.

    If I’m not being direct, straight forward……. it’s just beyond my little ken……. as a one trick chick 🐣.  

    When the sky 🌌 falls, you can be sure that I’ll pass it along.  

    In the meantime, I pretty much mind my chicken little business…… which is pretty much right here…….. just don’t ask me where here is!
    ……….


    In our guttiest gut, we all sense that we are living in parlous, discombobulated times.

    We don’t really know what to think about it……… so we don’t.

    And we do not appreciate anyone shoving our noses into it.

    We’ll be marrying and burying……. right up until the last day, and Lord forbid that we should run about…… gnashing our teeth.

    As for the Israelis massacring the Palestinians…….

    Yesterday we went to nyc to see Patriots. It was usefully intense to have the past twenty years condensed into two hours.

    The atheist jews have been involved in their fair share our modern malaise and melodrama.

    And do I look like I’m doubting it is the best possible melodrama?

    All we have to do is just keep in mind that much sooner than later we’re all gonna be one with the One.

    The timing of our denouement is much better left to the instincts of three than with……… God knows who…….!! 🐣



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    My "friend".

    You are anything but direct and straightforward.


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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Jun 04, 2024 4:02 am

    If you meet Jesus on the path, or anyone claiming to be the SoT, kick them and fart in their general direction.

    God is a rabbit rabbit

    Big Bunny Love knows first hand.

    God told him.

    The Big Bunny rabbit said there would be days like this.

    Just keep hopping and looking for the good carrots 🥕 he said to me and then let out a huge belly laugh.

    Well, I recently found a mysterious carrot 🥕

    My father recently passed.

    Now here is the weird thing.

    His Mother just died last year.

    He was pretty sick the last 6 months before he passed.

    He told his brother about a dream he had that scared him, terrified him actually.

    His brother only told me the dream after he died.

    In the dream, my father’s mother was sitting on the end of his bed crying and was very worried about him she said.

    Well, my father died on the edge of his bed.

    That’s interesting.

    I never thought the tough selfish SOB could die.

    Wrong.

    Now what might we say about such a dream?

    It seems to be a kind of premonition.

    Did his mind make his dream come true?

    His terror is the hard part for me.

    My father was scared of dying.

    It’s sad to fear death ☠ but it’s natural of course.

    The body wants to live, but interestingly, if one dies of old age, the body systematically shuts down in such a beautiful way.

    The body makes the transition as easy as possible.

    It just knows when it’s time and begins to shut down the systems.

    One of the most amazing experiences to be a part of so much death last year.

    My wife’s grandmothers passed away at 99 and a 100, impressive.

    They both knew it was time.

    One held on stubbornly and the other passed so easily, we would all hope for such a beautiful passing.

    They both spoke of seeing and hearing their family coming for them.

    Was my father’s dream evidence of things unseen?

    Perhaps.

    Dan has one thing right, the only truth I have heard him speak, we will all end.

    He tries so hard to see the big picture and feels driven by a mission to do so.

    I have to say, I think he has it all backward.

    Dan’s writing is a peek into him, as writing is for anyone who does it.

    I think he is writing about his own death.

    Does he realize this?

    What we have witnessed is a mind grappling with their own mortality.

    He seems to think about the Endtimes non-stop.

    Well, let the good times roll, you ain’t coming back this way again.

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