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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    Post by dan Fri Dec 23, 2022 2:19 pm

    First topic message reminder :

    This is a topic reminder post……

    Personalism 102 is just a continuation Personalism 101…….. as we approach the limit of 40 pages.  

    The contention remains that the best possible world is necessarily based on the philosophy and ontology of Personalism.  

    The ontology is immaterialism, taken at it’s most fundamental level.

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Jul 27, 2023 9:56 am

    Have fun and go with the flow, still the best point of agreement between us.

    Yes, One soul, a soul that likes to get out and walk around as all of this.

    What I went through personally, is certainly a template for what’s to come.

    I connected to our history and past and invoked the ancients and they responded.

    And the best advice they gave me was keep it simple, take care in the little things and have fun!

    How best shall we live with all you said above?

    Well, love each other.

    See how connected you are to the world and each other.

    But then we also get stories about critters killing humans and doing strange things to us.

    If the UAPs be messengers, why that aspect?

    If some inter-dimensional beings have come to us and said hey, this is what’s going down.

    How could we believe them?

    How could we ever trust them?

    How could we know they were not writing a cookbook with us on the menu?

    Sure, they could make the sun blink maybe.

    Then again, RP says you make things up.

    Haha, what a strange turn to OMF.
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    Post by dan Thu Jul 27, 2023 11:01 am

    How could we know they were not writing a cookbook with us on the menu?…….

    That’s exactly what they are doing.  

    How else do we become one with the One?

    Yes, it’s the great wedding feast in the sky……. it’s for us, by us and about us.  

    I’m just the angel who’s here to say……. fear not!  

    It’s been written in the stars ✨ from the beginning of time.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Jul 27, 2023 11:27 am

    No fear here, but the rest of the muppets, oof.

    The world is living in terror at the moment.

    The muppets are plenty afraid, of each other most, which masks their deeper existential fear I think.

    There is a profound loss of meaning.
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    Post by dan Thu Jul 27, 2023 11:40 am

    Yes, scientific materialism is finally catching up with the scientists.

    What did they think was going to happen?  

    Well, it was all part of the setup.

    In one sentence, a critter could tell us everything we might learn from studying a craft for a hundred years.  

    Anyone with an ounce of sense is only going along with the show…… following the bouncing ball.  

    Button, button….. who’s got the button?  

    If Ron doesn’t have the button, he knows where it is.

    Come to think of it, he’s got at least two of the buttons.
    …….


    Congress folks are coming to understand that there is a third rail here.

    That is why they are treading gingerly…… baby steps.  

    The really sensitive stuff had to be outsourced……. specifically to avoid problems with oversight.

    Speed traps 🪤 and detours have been arranged all along most likely paths.

    I imagine there are some staffers who are wondering about work arounds.  

    Where does chick 🐣 fit into this puzzle wrapped in an enigma?  
    ……….


    At some point, the fundamentalists will realize that this investigation is liable to impinge upon the spiritual dimensions.

    Then we’ll see some serious pushback from the religious Right.

    That will be amusing when the religious right starts aligning with the scientific materialists/secular humanists to push back against delving into the weird stuff.  

    Who will be left to embrace the Truth?  
    ………


    I’m reminded that Ron’s uncle was involved with the Glomar expeditions, one of which was to retrieve the Soviet submarine that sank off of Hawaii.

    The Hughes Glomar Explorer was built by the CIA specifically to retrieve the K-129.

    Then there is the story of Ingo remote viewing the sinking of the submarine.

    He was caught short when a ufo came into his line of viewing.

    There has been speculation that the Soviet submarine was attempting to disguise itself as Chinese while attacking Honolulu.

    We can only imagine the consequences.

    So, yes, there is much entanglement in these waters.
    ……..


    So what if there comes to be a political deadlock over Disclosure?  

    The only way to break the deadlock might well be to produce phenomena in public.  

    However, before that eventuality, the internet 🛜 would likely fill the political void.

    This is what has been happening in the previous absence of a political will.

    We’d simply revert to previous chaos, but now there would be much more attention.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Jul 27, 2023 5:25 pm

    I think you are pretty right on there chick 🐣 on how the religious loonies and right wingers will react.

    Tell me, how can you be a conservative in a world constantly changing?

    The tighter you try to hold on to what was, the more you will be driven insane do to the speed and severity of the changes here now.

    The climate is collapsing.

    This is real bad.

    The reality is worse than the predictions.

    So that could be a good trigger.

    What will the Christians do when their messiah never shows up?

    Or any other tradition waiting for god.

    A Neoplatonist though can accept this easily Wink

    But let’s see how things go.

    In the end, no evidence, it’s just a story, nothing burger.

    I always think this kind of thing is a play for more funding.



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    “All is clouded by desire: as fire by smoke, as a mirror by dust ...Through these it blinds the soul.”

    Nobody wants to hear it.

    Tell them anyway.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri Jul 28, 2023 4:26 pm

    UFO Jesus has done some good reporting here.

    AARO Director pushed back on recent hearing.

    How long does it take to create a website?



    Seems there is some internal fighting going on here, big surprise.
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    Post by dan Sat Jul 29, 2023 5:08 pm

    Chivo,

    Thanks for the links to Yuval and Randy.  

    Lex asks Yuval…… is there truth?  

    Yuval was not quick enough to pick up on the line from Pilate.

    His answer is that the only truth is suffering…… very Jewish of him…… very secular.  

    The Gospel means nothing.  

    He has an historian’s view of Truth, which is nada.

    He has no clue about mathematics and physics……. certainly not about the Anthropic Principle.  

    On the other hand, you seem to be coming around.

    (The glitches and crashing on Forumotion are as bad as ever, if not worse. My iPad is really bad….. the iPhone is only somewhat better.)

    Obviously there is going to be pushback.

    It would look really bad, if they just left the process hanging.

    That would be worse than a lot of foot dragging.

    But the internet rumor mill will not wait for any significant delay.



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    Post by dan Sun Jul 30, 2023 1:30 pm

    Donald Hoffman and Bernardo Kastrup have made names for themselves in the world of immaterialism.  

    Neither of them makes reference to personalism, to the small world or to any narrative.

    Without any such reference, they leave us lost…… if not in space and time, they leave us lost in a meaningless cosmos.  

    As academics, they strive mightily to avoid any entanglement with religion.  

    That avoidance leaves them with nothing to stand on.

    They no longer can make any sense of the appearances…… unless they borrow them from science.  

    There are many sacred narratives posited throughout history.

    Why must we choose one over the other?

    There has been only one in history that is truly founded on personalism.

    Just one projects the advent of the Truth.

    There doesn’t seem to be any competition with the notion of a personal Truth.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Jul 30, 2023 2:00 pm

    I wouldn’t say I’m coming around, I’m making my way to the center.

    I posted Yuval as an example, you hit my softball.

    Nietzsche was wrong, man is not driven by a Will to power, we are driven by a search for meaning.

    He found his meaning in his Will to power, but that’s only one aspect of our psyche.

    I am watching the Disclosure stuff, it’s not what gets me up in the morning.

    My family does, my companions, my garden, my work, my search for meaning.

    Man is a social animal. We need companionship. We work to improve ourselves while pursuing the common good. We can’t be spoon fed by the state. It is meant to provide the ground to grow is all.

    We have forgotten this mostly in our modern day corruption.

    We can develop ourselves to the point where forces beyond our control can take away everything we possess except one thing, our freedom to choose how we will respond to the situation.

    Controlling our reactions is maturity and what it takes to live your best life I have found.

    There is mostly over reaction rippling across the noosphere, insecurity, fear, anger, and hatred.

    But love is love because it allows all of that.

    It fills the low spaces.

    Those who suffer most can know love best.

    Living at the bottom of the barrel is the lot of some, but not cursing your existence and thriving anyway is more than possible.

    These are realizations that one can come to.

    Or they can blow their egos up to the size of the sun, where there will be an inevitable pop.

    Or folks can just give up and lose themselves to addictions and numb themselves into oblivion.

    What a tragedy that is.

    Anyway, I can’t complain.

    It takes much more work to stay healthy in body and mind as you grow older.

    I’m learning this everyday.

    It takes focus and commitment.

    If you have not cultivated best practices, you can suffer greatly.

    Better late than never for this ole stubborn smelly 🐐

    I get your criticism of the immaterialists, I agree mostly.

    I don’t speak of Personalism so much as grounding yourself in the world, in your life, in and living it richly and fully.

    That’s my spiritual act of worship.

    I know people who come to OMF could probably care less about metaphysics and Personalism.

    I don’t write here for them.

    This is just a place to dialogue on how best to live for myself.

    They can’t see the gold I guess.

    Hope you and the family are well.

    Don’t neglect them or scare them too much.

    Treasure them, love them, put their needs above your own.

    If you do the same for your neighbor, anyone can have a great life here on our HEATING Earth.

    Our 99 year old matriarch is dying right now in the hospital, we lost the other 100 year old matriarch a few months ago.

    She is itching to get out of her skin.

    Dying is powerful to participate in, can help you realize how sacred life is and our connections.

    Peace of mind is the real treasure I think.

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    Post by dan Sun Jul 30, 2023 2:15 pm

    Chivo,

    You and I are something of loners.

    I can appreciate that, but I believe that Truth entails more than peace of mind.

    Peace is the avoidance of strife……. yes, a blessed state.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Jul 30, 2023 2:23 pm

    I can only share my personal experience and view of this while I hold my line, not saying it’s all truth is per se.

    I feel peace of mind is the foundation of truth.

    It is the odor of love.

    It surpasses understanding.

    It is the resting place of wisdom.

    If one has not peace of mind, they can have no grasp or love of the truth.

    Take it or leave it Wink

    Straight on.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Jul 30, 2023 2:36 pm

    This what I mean.

    1 Timothy 6:5-12 wrote:5 Bitter talk of men who, being evil in mind and dead to what is true, take the faith to be a way of making profit.
    6 But true faith, with peace of mind, is of great profit:
    7 For we came into the world with nothing, and we are not able to take anything out;
    8 But if we have food and a roof over us, let that be enough.
    9 But those who have a desire for wealth are falling into danger, and are taken as in a net by a number of foolish and damaging desires, through which men are overtaken by death and destruction.
    10 For the love of money is a root of all evil: and some whose hearts were fixed on it have been turned away from the faith, and been wounded with unnumbered sorrows.
    11 But you, O man of God, keep yourself from these things, and go after righteousness, religion, faith, love, a quiet mind, gentle behaviour.
    12 Be fighting the good fight of the faith; take for yourself the life eternal, for which you were marked out, and of which you gave witness in the eyes of all.

    I agree in spirit.

    That used to be one of my favorite scriptures when I was a Christian.

    Only after moving beyond Christianity did I have any idea what it means.

    I could have stayed in the Church, but I had to shuck it off as the straight jacket it had become to me.

    Today the Church has become monstrous and corrupt and now it splinters.

    Jesus was not a Christian.

    I don’t follow Jesus.

    I walk with him.

    He is a friend.

    I know that spirit is here with us.

    And it cracks me wide open still.

    Now that’s personal!

    Beat that you grey aliens alien and lizards 🦎

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    Post by dan Sun Jul 30, 2023 2:50 pm

    (The forum is crashing both with my phone and pad.)  

    More is required of us than the avoidance of strife and greed.

    We have to love God……. which is hardly more than loving our highest potentials…… our highest angels 😇.

    We have to love our neighbor…… not always easy…… and care for those in need.

    Desiring to be one with the One, may be both the easiest and most difficult.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Jul 30, 2023 3:03 pm

    The fruit of knowing god/yourself, is peace of mind.

    It takes everything we have.

    If one doesn’t have it, they have nothing.



    Yah, we have to fix OMF.

    Let me try to debug the issues with Cy.

    I have to test from my desktop.

    Mobile is broke and almost unusable.
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    Post by dan Sun Jul 30, 2023 3:24 pm

    (Yes, let me know if I can help…….. Forumotion may need some serious attention.)

    And, yes, certainly, to know our cosmic Self is to be able to love one another.  

    The Eschaton may be our crash course in cosmic love.

    Loving one’s neighbor is not easy in the best of times, but especially not when you are hungry and thirsty…….. and your neighbor is ignoring your plight.






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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Jul 30, 2023 4:06 pm

    We are certainly crashing.

    Loving your neighbor when it’s hardest and yourself is when it means the most.

    When they kick dirt in your face, it means the most.

    When they are part of a brainwashed cult, it means the most.

    The reason it means so much is because how hard it is.

    And when you realize they are you, me is we, it isn’t as hard really.

    What’s hardest for us is when we feel the most disconnected.

    The truth and reality is we are always connected, to everything.

    That realization and reality brings peace of mind Wink

    It’s a big circle.

    Jesus said blessed are those who return to the beginning.

    As you know.

    What others know, who knows but they’re Daemon/Angel.

    Highly recommend HBO comedy special Marc Maron: From Bleak to Dark

    Good for a deep chuckle in these bleak dark times 🐐
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Jul 30, 2023 5:13 pm

    The recent hearing reminded me of John Mack who I came across looking into this craziness a couple years ago and he had struck me as a credible genuine investigator.

    They tried to destroy him at Harvard.



    I bought the $7 digital hour interview with him on thinking allowed website, I’m watching now.

    This guy is really good.

    Too bad a drunk driver killed him, umm hmm.


    There are no objects, everything is a person, a Zoroastrian idea.

    Language itself traps us.

    The Spell of the Sensuous: Perception and Language in a More-Than-Human World https://a.co/d/eVLrZZF

    I cannot recommend “The Secret Life of Puppets” more. It is just right on. The basic idea is that a form of Platonic idealism is shaping up to replace materialism. I could not agree more. This has been happening the 20 years since the last edition. She was prophetic.

    A good podcast featuring the author.

    https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/weird-studies/id1343819177?i=1000586450975

    Our secular imaginings are, at their core, the old ways born again.
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    Post by dan Tue Aug 01, 2023 5:22 am

    I’m not quite sure where Chivo is off to.  

    I’m sticking with persons.  

    Persons are microcosms.  

    We are the bearers of the seminal word.  

    We are the relational beings, par excellence.

    Being relational, we are quantitatively finite.

    Being microcosms we are necessarily, qualitatively infinite….. ie. transpersonal.  

    Our relationality requires that our necessary context is the Metanarrative……. the best possible narrative.  

    Our narrator is the jguy…… the guy with the Word…… who is the Word.

    He understood that there is no being without an Eschaton.  

    There is no ontology without eschatology.

    History is necessarily self-contained.

    The Eschaton would be the cornerstone of the prophetic tradition.

    Understand further that the Metanarrative is necessarily embedded in Eternity.  

    But, wait, that brings us back to a quantitative infinity.  

    No…… it merely means that the best possible world is, necessarily, infinitely accessible.  

    What else do we need to know about the best possible world?  

    The Eschaton is our slingshot into Eternity……. via the wedding feast in the sky.  
    ……….


    The latest word is that Trump will do Disclosure after his first six days in office.  

    I neglected to ask if this would include disclosing the Eschaton, but it would seem that there might not be much left to disclose, after the recent hearings.
    ……….


    Doesn’t the Earth demonstrate that relationalism is not overwhelmed by sheer quantity?

    Not necessarily……. a flat Earth might demonstrate that.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Aug 01, 2023 12:28 pm

    Where am I off to?

    Where am I off to?!

    Well, right here!

    Smack in the middle of it all, the best of all possible worlds.

    To the imaginal realms, which is our realm too.

    To the inner depths where all the gods and monsters live.

    To speak with the Daimons.

    I’ve called a god in and it is teaching me about how things really are.

    Where we can psychologically relate with the one but we can’t really get back there.

    Where there are no objects, only persons.

    The imagination is the foundation of meaning.

    Making my own myth.

    Hehe.

    The cosmos is singing.

    And smelly 🐐 is dancing a jig around the tree of life.

    I’m going to be spending a lot more time with Tom Cheetham, James Hillman, the Neoplatonists, Emerson, and Henry Corbin.

    I’m taking a zoom class with Tom Cheetham this fall and other young folks who are waking up!

    I have to do my part.

    I seem to have others to speak and dialogue with.

    I think I’ve put my time in on OMF and then some.

    It’s time to take my place among the stars.

    The door 🚪 is wide open.

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    Post by dan Tue Aug 01, 2023 2:17 pm

    The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

    The woods are lovely, dark and deep,  
    But I have promises to keep,  
    And miles to go before I sleep…….

    And they may both amount to the same thing.
    …….


    And how would our existence be sensitive to the difference between a finite v infinite number of us?  

    Well, we are necessarily relational/social beings……. so there is a minimum number of us.  

    But is there a maximum number?  

    Can’t we just keep spreading out into space and time?

    No, we cannot……. not on the assumption of personalism.

    We must participate in a Narrative……. and there can only be one Metanarrative.  

    And this narrative must be geared to the finite size of the Earth.

    10^10 of us is certainly a goodly number.

    No one can say that we were not fruitful in our multiplication!  

    Need we say more?  



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Aug 01, 2023 7:38 pm

    It’s getting personal for Trump.

    Wow, this is evil and toxic.

    But it’s good to expose the rot of Trump and how much he corrupted the govt and people around him.

    My god the liars flooding FOX.

    The roaches are scrambling.

    Kinda fun to watch and tragic.

    According to Ron and Dan it was all just scripted.

    Yah right.

    You just can’t believe how stupid this orange 🍊 is.

    Shows you the power of lies and darkness.

    How seductive power can be.

    Imagine if all these muppets used all this wasted energy to know themselves.

    Why would all these people try a coup in the USA?

    Because they thought they could get away with it.
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    Post by dan Wed Aug 02, 2023 9:27 am

    Chivo,

    A minor detail is that Ron and I never discuss philosophy.

    I have no idea what his views on these matters might be, other than that they are unlikely to coincide with mine.  

    As far as scripting goes, has Putin been scripted……. have you and I been scripted?  

    There are interpersonal and unconscious influences working on us to a much greater degree than we can imagine.  

    As Robert Anton Wilson has stated…… reality is the sum total of all the conspiracies that we have ever imagined.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Aug 02, 2023 8:41 pm

    RAW also said you have to forgive robots acting like robots.

    I agree, most people are just robots.

    I am not a robot.

    You have to admit you are robot before you can begin to change your mind.

    That’s one of the hardest steps and people won’t do the work.

    You have to undo yourself.

    Most are walking in their sleep dreaming they are awake.

    It takes working at it every day to gain any small amount of awareness.

    We quickly fall back into our mechanical programs.

    RAW from Undoing Yourself wrote:The one sure way to make yourself unpopular in the United States these days is to mention the fact that Christianity and Democracy have been among the worst disasters to ever befall the human race. Nonetheless, as all students of history know, Christianity has been the bloodiest and most destructive religion in the long career of fanaticism on this planet; although Liberals and Rationalists keep reminding us of that tragic record of the Religion of Love.



    The blood-thirsty nature of Christianity and Democracy — which is obvious, psychologically, if one listens even for a few minutes to a typical speech by Rev. Jerry Falwell or his good friend Ronald Reagan — is, of course, based on arrogance, megalomania and a deeprooted sense of total moral superiority to all non-Christian and non-Democratic peoples. But beyond that, the violent nature of Christian/Democratic countries is rooted in the singular delusion shared by both the Religion of Love and the Politics of Liberty. This delusion is the belief that human beings are born with some sort of metaphysical “free will” which makes them unique in the animal kingdom and only slightly less exalted than the gods themselves.



    The “free will” delusion is much more serious than any of that. It is the kind of radical 180-degree reversal of reality that, once it enters a person’s mind, guarantees that they will be incapable of understanding anything happening around them; they might as well be deaf, dumb, blind and wearing signs warning the world, “ULTIMATE DESTINATION: THE MADHOUSE.”



    I do not speak flippantly, nor do I mean to be understood as writing satire or polemic. The facts of modern biology and psychology have demonstrated clearly and conclusively that 99 percent of the human race is in a robotic or zombi-like state 99.99999 percent of the time. This does not refer to “other people.” It refers to YOU AND ME. As the Firesign Theatre used to say, We’re all Bozos on this bus. The best that can be said of any of us, usually, is that we have occasional moments of lucidity, but that can be said of any schizophrenic patient.



    Buddhism, Vedanta and Taoism also recognize that each of these clever animals just mentioned, including the humans, have about equally as much “free will” as flowers, shrubs, rocks and viruses, and that the human delusion of being separate from and superior to the rest of the natural order is a kind of narcissistic self-hypnosis. Awakening from that egotistic trance is the major goal of every Oriental system of psychology.



    That is, Sufism and other Hermetic traditions recognize that robots will behave like robots, and does not “blame” them, but it also does not forget, for a moment or even a nanosecond, that we are living in a robotic world — “an armed madhouse” in the metaphor of poet Allen Ginsberg. Those of this tradition know that when a man spouts Christian and Democratic verbalisms that does not mean he will act with brotherly love at all, at all; he will go on acting like a badly-wired robot in most cases.



    The ego and its delusions must be undermined—either attacked openly and bluntly, as in the Gurdjieff system and this book, or subverted more subtly and slowly, as in certain other systems—before any real progress can be made toward “liberation,” “enlightenment,” “finding IT,” discovering the “True Will” in Crowley’s sense, or whatever is your favorite term for becoming less robotic and more aware—less the computer and more the programmer of the computer—less the conditioned rat in the Behaviorist’s maze and more the Beyond-Human that the Sufic-Hermetic traditions and Neitzsche have predicted.

    The main reason you shouldn’t be afraid of this attack on your precious little ego is that the ego is infinitely resourceful and finds ways to sneak back into its habitual mechanical trance no matter how many times you think you have Awakened once and for all.



    Mechanical reactions are the statistical norm; full conscious attention remains very rare. (That’s why one Zen Master always gave the answer “Attention!” when he was asked what Zen “is.”)

    Attention!
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    Post by GSB Thu Aug 03, 2023 6:42 am

    Now the whole world had one language and a common speech.

    Then they said, “Come, let us build ourselves a city, with a tower that reaches to the heavens, so that we may make a name for ourselves; otherwise we will be scattered over the face of the whole earth.”

    The Lord said, “If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them. Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other.”

    That is why it was called Babel—because there the Lord confused the language of the whole world.


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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Aug 03, 2023 7:36 am

    Timber!



    Dan, history teaches us not to trust anyone who offers you ultimate answers.

    That is not being cynical.

    I couldn’t trust a person who could not dialogue about Philosophy.

    A scientist with no appreciation for Philosophy is dangerous.

    A person who does not know themselves must be assumed to be a robot 🤖

    “Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.

    —Matthew 10:16

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