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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    Post by dan Fri Dec 23, 2022 2:19 pm

    First topic message reminder :

    This is a topic reminder post……

    Personalism 102 is just a continuation Personalism 101…….. as we approach the limit of 40 pages.  

    The contention remains that the best possible world is necessarily based on the philosophy and ontology of Personalism.  

    The ontology is immaterialism, taken at it’s most fundamental level.

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    Post by dan Tue Jul 25, 2023 7:26 am

    Moving forward, I would like to stick with Douglas Hofstadter……. he being in my freshman dorm and his dad being my physics advisor.

    His dad couldn’t have been nicer to me, and, single handedly, made my physics career, brief though it may have been, formally speaking.  

    Doug never had the time of day for me…… me just being another muppet.  

    Doug did not live in Trancos, but hung out there with his three bridge playing buddies, mostly from ‘Pally’ High……. they included Larry Tesler and Charlie Brenner…… all three have made names for themselves, academically.  They were all a couple of years younger than the rest of us, freshmen.

    I believe that Doug did graduate work in mathematics and solid state physics, but mostly going on in computer science.  

    He was greatly impressed by Gödel’s work in incompleteness.  

    (By the way, I’m continuing to experience increasing technical glitches with Forumotion. I would not make any moves, however, without someone like Chivo or Cyrellys holding my hand).

    Doug, however, drew the opposite conclusions from Gödel’s mathematical work than did Kurt.

    Kurt’s inspiration, like mine, came from Leibniz and Kant, and then followed Husserl into phenomenology.

    It is not clear to me what was Doug’s basic motivation, other than sheer professionalism.



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    Post by 101airborne Tue Jul 25, 2023 8:00 am

    "The secret of the illuminati is that you don't realize you're a member until it's too late to get out." - Robert Anton Wilson
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    Post by dan Tue Jul 25, 2023 8:26 am

    Airbie,

    I’m a personalist.  

    So, yes, when I realized that I was a person, it was much too late for me to change my mind and start over!  

    Better luck 🍀 next time!
    ……….


    It’s very hard for a professional to stop being a professional, without some sort of cushion…… I had two cushions…… material and immaterial.  

    But Doug’s visceral fear of the Frankenstein that he helped to create is completely genuine.  

    Leibniz, Kant and Husserl would tell him to get over it.  

    But it’s not that simple.

    When you jump from the frying pan 🍳, you’re jumping into the eschatological fire 🔥.

    Who wants to told that we’re about at the end our story.

    It’s the only story that we know.  

    Ok, we’re not really at the end, but we sure won’t be in Kansas anymore.  

    We’ll be at the wedding feast in the sky 🌌.  

    Get used to it…… get over it.  

    But knowing this fact ……. well, there’s nothing we can do about it.

    We can cry 😭 about it……. hey, it’s been our party, and we’ll cry if we want to!  

    The fact that the NDErs are invariably reluctant to come back……. on this side, that does not amount to a hill of beans 🫘.  

    What can the academics and professionals do, besides double down?  

    Otherwise, it’s a quantum leap into la-la land.  
    ……..  



    So, yes, if the investigation is changing its focus from the craft to the critters, as according to Gary, then it would seem that the move toward Disclosure is accelerating.

    My suggestion has always been to have revelation come prior to any sort of rapture or opening.

    The idea is that Disclosure would provide us with some degree of mental preparation.

    However, any serious Disclosure initiative would only tend to preempt the opening/rapture phenomenon as it would likely precipitate us into a chaotic social upheaval that would, in turn, force the opening, regardless.

    One would imagine that there have been efforts to do simulations on alternative disclosure scenarios.

    I’ve certainly not been made aware of any such efforts.



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    Post by dan Tue Jul 25, 2023 2:26 pm

    One precaution that I can take, relative to the increasing glitches with Forumotion, is to work with making more and smaller posts, compared to the lengthy ones that I used to make.  
    ……….


    I suppose it is quite likely that the moves towards Disclosure that we’ve been witnessing up to this point are following a script that has been worked out……. whatever that might mean.

    In other words, our situation is being monitored from both sides of the portal.

    So, in some sense, we are flying on autopilot……… and, not to fear 😨……. all systems have been double checked…….. double checked……double checked…….. etc…… etc…….!!  

    Now, we’d better check out what’s happening with Avi Loeb at Harvard…… and see if that has any portent for coming attractions.  

    The only question in my mind is to what degree Dr Loeb may have had any outside influencers.

    It would seem unlikely to me that he has gone to all this effort, just on a personal whim.

    In as much as his efforts are keeping us with our eyes on the sky, to that extent is he aiding the ETH (Katechon induced) mindset.

    Many folks who might be bothered by the visit phenomenon, would be much relieved to be able to think that our potential visitors are still light-years away…….. even though they may sent a listening device our way.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Jul 25, 2023 3:57 pm

    OMF has gotten very glitchy.

    The best amount of glitch I suppose.

    It hangs between keystrokes and reloads deleting your post before you complete.

    A suggestion Dan, write your post in a text editor first and then paste it into OMF.

    Anything you can do to fix this Cy?

    I thought it might by a digital attack on the site.
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    Post by dan Tue Jul 25, 2023 4:15 pm

    I try to just do one sentence at a time……. that’s pretty much how I think.

    But, yes, maybe Cy could help us find out what is going on.  

    I still might have her phone number.  

    A long time ago, I mentioned that I hoped that someone would be monitoring my conversations.  

    Ron asked how many agencies I wanted monitoring…… I said the more the merrier.  

    There are a lot of years, here, in the files.  
    ………..


    I just don’t know if any gradualist approach to Disclosure is possible.  

    Clearly, it’s possible, up to a point.

    But then, inevitably, there is a tipping point.

    Indications are that we are approaching that point.  

    How (or even if) it might be avoided is the main question facing us.  

    At some point, there is going to have to be some pretty serious fireside chatting.

    That’s pretty much what I engage in, here.

    If I’m not the designated chatterer, I hope that whoever is can pickup a few clues.  

    Could Chivo be helpful in this regard?  

    We can only hope so.  

    In another couple of years, he might have to take over, in any case.

    Otherwise, it’s all going to be a big surprise…… heaven help us.  

    In the meantime,  I’ve had plenty of on the job training.  

    Yes, this has been a very small playpen, but I don’t how else anyone is going to get real-time training.  

    The biggest problem is going to be with the fundamentalists Christians who will be almost positive that any designated discloser must be the Antichrist.  

    Anyone want to volunteer for that spot?

    Folks have been gunning for an Antichrist, virtually since the beginning of time.  

    In fact, the jguy was taken to be just another Anti-messiah…… what pests!

    Of course, they might have been right…….. and ChatGPT is the true Messiah.



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    Post by dan Tue Jul 25, 2023 5:28 pm

    It might have been a lot easier if we had only had to contend with actual ETs.

    Things would have been a lot less confusing……. just like the day The Earth Stood Still!

    Everyone knew where they stood.



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    Post by Cyrellys Tue Jul 25, 2023 7:39 pm

    Testing the posting now.  Reply box looks fine.  No lag in text word processing.  Word prediction in the processor is functional.  Hitting send now.


    Now editing post.  Posting was fine.

    Guys, I'm on my laptop not a phone.  Not having any problems here.

    You might check whatever machine you are using and see if cleaning your machine, updating, check processing speed, etc might help.


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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Jul 25, 2023 10:18 pm

    Thanks Cy.

    Seems to be a mobile issue.

    Started a week ago.

    I’ll try my desktop tomorrow.

    I tried a new clean mobile browser and still was having some loading issues.

    I usually switch to web view on my mobile.



    Your friends don’t like me I think Dan Wink

    But I’m happy to help.

    I’m not a UFO dude.

    I’m a metaphysics dude I guess who leans toward Neoplatonism and social democracy these days.

    Anyone who knows themselves and Jesus would have to be a social democrat Wink

    Those conservatives are broken in the brain 🧠

    I just can’t get through to them.
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    Post by dan Tue Jul 25, 2023 10:26 pm

    Testing…… 1,2,3…… testing ……..

    It has improved, compared to the last several days.

    All we had to do was cry to mama, I guess.

    Thank you, Cy.

    Don’t be a stranger.
    ……..

    Uh, oh…… now it’s slowing down again.  

    See, you have to be nice, Chivo!  

    We have to try to understand why Putin is so afraid of NATO.  

    It has something to do with creeping secular humanism.

    Personally, I don’t think Donald is a personalist.

    Persons are not the means to anyone else’s end.

    Not even, or especially not, the means to some social end……. such as communism or capitalism.

    Persons have infinite worth.  

    Do you sacrifice the one to save the twenty?  

    I think the answer is that you save the one, and then pray that God will decide to save the rest.  

    It’s not up to some bureaucrat to make that decision.  

    I’m not sure that Jesus would be a Christian Democrat or even a Christian, for that matter.  

    Later…… it’s getting past my bedtime……



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Jul 25, 2023 11:56 pm

    I’m pretty nice and flexible these days 🐐

    Social Democrat, and no, Jesus would not be a Christian.

    Putin was well aligned with Dugin.

    He wants Russia to be great again and he seems deeply insecure and he runs the country like a mob boss apparently.

    He’s moved only by force.

    “Vladimir Putin's apprehension toward NATO is primarily due to security concerns. Russia views NATO, a military alliance between North American and European countries, as a potential threat to its territorial integrity and national sovereignty. This fear is historical and contemporary in nature.

    Historically, Russia has been invaded multiple times from its western borders, including by France under Napoleon and Germany during both World Wars. This has ingrained a sense of vulnerability which has influenced Russian foreign policy for centuries. NATO's expansion eastward, particularly after the end of the Cold War, has exacerbated this fear as many former Warsaw Pact states and Soviet Republics have joined the alliance.

    In a contemporary context, Putin has expressed concern that NATO's eastward expansion could bring the alliance's military infrastructure, such as missile defense systems, closer to Russian borders. This is seen as potentially undermining Russia's nuclear deterrent and upsetting the strategic balance.

    However, NATO maintains that it is a defensive alliance and has no intention of threatening Russia. It asserts that its purpose is to secure peace in the Atlantic area, and its expansion is to support the demand of European countries who wish to join.”

    Putin knows NATO is defensive.

    I think he simply doesn’t want to accept the current world order.

    Then there is China and the Middle East.

    Now if we had a little more love your neighbor all around, we could all do well.

    Anything short of love your neighbor is doomed to fail I think or lead to war.

    China seems ready to try all their new toys.

    So funny too, they will not let China seize the chip manufacturing in Taiwan.

    They will spike the machines and leave China with a Pyrrhic victory.

    What makes Taiwan successful is its worldwide network of partners.

    China can’t take Taiwan and maintain those partners.

    I think China’s missiles are gonna be tough to stop.

    We have ourselves in quite a mess it seems.

    But something else is happening.

    If anyone wants a clue to the door in the sky, they need to read and digest “The Secret Life of Puppets.”

    Wow 🤩
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    Post by dan Wed Jul 26, 2023 6:50 am

    Yes, Chivo found another good one for us……. Secret Life……
    In one of those rare books that allows us to see the world not as we've never seen it before, but as we see it daily without knowing, Victoria Nelson illuminates the deep but hidden attraction the supernatural still holds for a secular mainstream culture that forced the transcendental underground and firmly displaced wonder and awe with the forces of reason, materialism, and science.
    Each page has at least one summary sentence, beautifully compact, that offers a way out of the scientism and displaced notions of transcendence that have chased the life out of modern experience. Drawing on a largely neglected tradition of Neoplatonic and magical thought, it opens up key themes of religion and literature that lie hidden in popular culture and high art.
    And thank you for your précis on current global politics.  

    It’s hard to say whether Russia and China are working on the side of the Katechon or the Eschaton.  
    According to Marlene Laruelle, Dugin's adherence to the Old Believers allows him to stand between Paganism and Orthodox Christianity without formally adopting either of them. His choice is not paradoxical, since, according to him—in the wake of René Guénon—Russian Orthodoxy and especially the Old Believers have preserved an esoteric and initiatory character which was utterly lost in Western Christianity. As such, the Russian Orthodox tradition may be merged with Neopaganism and may host "Neopaganism's nationalist force, which anchors it in the Russian soil, and separates it from the two other Christian confessions".
    Yes, Dugin is all about restoring the Empire of the sacred Motherland of Russia.

    If Germany is not leading the charge, then Russia will.

    It’s all about blood and soil.  

    I see no Katechon……. I see no Eschaton.  

    The only Metanarrative is their own national one, whatever that is.  

    (The posting functions at Forumotion are back to their sluggish old ways.)

    There was a chat with my usual interlocutor……..

    Who was overseeing Rick Doty’s interactions with Paul Bennewitz?  

    It was HP, of course.  

    I repeated Gary’s rumor that the investigation was beginning to focus on himself, RP.

    He wanted to know what investigation that was…… he was aware of none such.

    So, well, maybe HP should just be investigating himself.

    Ron is sitting by his phone, waiting for the call from Congress.  

    And they could start by asking about the meeting with Reagan, Teller and Libby.  

    This is not rocket 🚀 science.  

    Oh, yes, Avi Loeb is not a professor, certainly not at Harvard.  

    If he is on the staff, it is only part time.  

    I forgot to ask if Avi was working for HP.  

    Congress types have been on to RP since nearly the beginning.

    The mistake they make is when they try to get formal with him.

    That will get you nowhere….. he’ll just laugh.

    Hey, it’s all just for our entertainment.

    Spoken as a true visitor.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Jul 26, 2023 9:11 am

    I think I can eat Dugin’s lunch.

    I’m working through some Neoplatonic spiritual exercises.

    I had great success with my Stoic exercises the last 5 years, which echo the Neoplatonists in many ways.

    The Stoics and Neoplatonists helped me integrate my psychedelic experiences.

    Very relevant to New Ager’s who are aimlessly bumping around in the night.

    I think I have something valuable I’ve learned.

    I feel compelled to share it where I can.

    I don’t know if I am going to be able to cause my Daimon to appear to me, but I’m working on it.

    I certainly hear and feel things much more than ever.

    One has to purify themselves and develop virtue.

    The higher realms will not suffer fools or animals.

    You have to ache for it so bad you would chew your arm off.

    Fat lazy egotistical moderns have very little access to what I’m speaking of.

    But I know in the marrow of my bones I’m onto the Big Show.

    I know I have to help where I can.

    I can do a lot, I’m blessed and I think the 🌞 is smiling down on me.

    Anyway, I am living what The Secret Life of Puppets is uncovering.

    Resacralizing one’s life is the bridge.

    The ancients were vastly more spiritually mature than we are today.

    Our modern spirituality is weak and toothless.

    We are on life support.

    We may suffer greatly, but not beyond what we can rise up from.

    The masters truly moved mountains.

    Their power was incredible and lasting.

    Why we are reaching back to them today.

    Jesus said it so well, if you bring forth what is within you, it will save you, if you do not bring it forth, it will destroy you.



    When we feel abandoned and lost we can curse our source, we curse love.

    But one has to go through this confusion it seems.

    The Christians to me are mere babies, as I was.

    I feel to help them come back to this.

    I don’t think I ever really had a choice in this.

    Destiny then.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Jul 26, 2023 3:09 pm

    Whoa, this UFO hearing today.

    WTH?!

    They wouldn’t let them go to a SCIF.

    What is this?

    This was huge, under oath, critters, ships, ummmm, this is kinda huge.

    I get it, this is explosive stuff and of course folks are going to try to stop it.

    Why are the republicans so rabid about this?

    They have the most to lose.

    Their people are not that intelligent and can’t handle this.

    So strange.

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    Post by dan Wed Jul 26, 2023 5:25 pm

    And are we getting any closer to the core story?

    I would say the jury is still out, on that question.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Jul 26, 2023 5:29 pm

    I get it.

    The republicans may use this to destroy the govt.

    The thing about the whistleblower, these are things he was “told” they could have told him anything.

    Maybe they do secret hearings next and get told they better back off.

    If there is a shadow govt, they can kill and destroy and raise up who they like.

    That alone is pretty bad.

    It’s a race to the bottom.

    I of course hope the egg gets cracked wide open.

    Secrets are evil.

    Let’s get it all out on the table.

    Maybe it snaps us out of our political suicide now under way.

    I don’t have much faith in the muppets.

    They have shown how desperate and terrified they are.

    This may go in the other direction.

    They can’t shove this under the rug.

    Not anymore.

    I would so love for whatever is happening to be fully exposed.
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    Post by dan Wed Jul 26, 2023 5:48 pm

    I would guess that some folks are beginning to understand that the coverup couldn’t have lasted nearly a hundred years unless there was a core group holding a core story…… a story of biblical proportions.

    In fact, there have been rumors that a generous proportion of the insiders have rather serious religious convictions.

    That’s how the coverup works.

    How else could it?


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    Post by jofo Wed Jul 26, 2023 6:10 pm

    today's hearing was more mis-direction, distraction, and a little sleight of hand. nothing not known already. the next in a series of steps designed to measure public opinion and reaction. when we see a military leader, a member of the joint chiefs for example, go public with "real" evidence, then you'll know the ruse is just that. they're preparing people for the great deception. there is no "truth", just what people "think". now back to your regularly scheduled programming.
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    Post by dan Wed Jul 26, 2023 6:23 pm

    And then whom are we to suppose is coordinating this Great Deception?

    You might wish to google…… Strong Delusion….. Great Deception.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Jul 26, 2023 6:26 pm

    Religious nutcakes and ufos, sounds like a great combo.

    If there is one Neoplatonist among them, I’ll eat my hoof.

    Jofo is right, there is just opinion and what people think.

    The cosmos doesn’t run on truth.

    And whose truth you gonna go with?

    I wouldn’t listen to a soul not enlightened, open minded, kind, and creative.

    Zealots are not gonna git er done.

    Anyone who thinks they are on a mission from god is a dangerous loonie.

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    Post by jofo Wed Jul 26, 2023 6:49 pm

    its us, coordination (like deception) is a human thing, nothing divine about it. likely ET's are a real thing, and so is the technology, but that's not the deception. the muppet circus unfolding is designed to confuse and induce fear. love is the only truth, you'll know it when you feel it.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Jul 27, 2023 12:26 am

    I was diggin around on the Interwebs and looking into the strange world of RP and Dan Smith from earlier times.

    RP via GSB wrote:”Although sometimes acting in the capacity of the insane, Mr. Smith is very clever, capable, and well informed.

    https://www.colinandrews.net/CIA-Pandolfii-XFile.html

    BTW, you have to love the retro website.

    GSB, Dan, and RP were sittin in a tree…think they are connected?

    I believe it was the story of the 3 visitors who scared the sh*t out of Dan and got him into eschatology.

    You gotta give it to ole Dan, he stuck to his guns.

    Damn, you gotta admire that kind of drive.

    At the heart of the UFO craze is fear of the other.

    Fear, the mind-killer.

    Fear is powerful, but trust counters it.

    Trust, that’s a rare thing.

    A treasure.

    More valuable than gold.

    In a way Dan is a folklorist.

    UFOs are modern folklore.

    Just read GSBs books, you will see what I mean.

    The earth and our psyches are haunted by Daemons Carl Sagan wrote.

    The CORE story seems to be mostly scrubbed from the interwebs.

    You can find it.

    3 visitors.

    A crystal showing glimpses of past and future.

    It’s a great story!

    Consciousness is amazing.

    Dr. Kit Green wrote:If something really strange in the area of UFOs is true, then what do we do about conveying that information to the public? First we must consider what may be the basic facts (describes the core story which is distilled core of the information known about the subject that in 1986 that he Hal Puthoff, and Jacques Vallee had agreed on – “The ETs came here, maybe once , maybe a few times. Either through accident of by design, the US government acquired one of their craft. The only problem is that the physics that powered the craft were so advanced that for decades we humans have struggled to understand it or to duplicate it.”)…if you were to give them the core story right off the bat, they’d get sick, so you do it slowly over ten or twenty years. You put out a bunch of movies, a bunch of books, a bunch of stories, a bunch of Internet memes about reptilian aliens eating our children, about the crazy stuff we’ve see recently in Serpo. Then one day you say. “Hey, all that stuff is nonsense, relax, it’s not that bad, you don’t have to worry, the reality is this” and then you give them the real story.

    Now that is a tried and tested desensitization model. And to the extent that there is a core story that is true, and to the extent that the people who want to get the core story out want to do it in a way that will not hurt the people, that’s what they would do – they come up with a bunch of nonsense, and then they get rid of it, gradually making the public more comfortable to that when they are finally presented with the truth, it’s not as frightening as they originally feared. “I can believe that,” they’ll say. “I didn’t believe the crazy reptile stuff, and I didn’t belief that they were abducting babies from wombs on beams of light. But I can believe the part about the spaceship and the back-engineered technology.

    Grant Cameron wrote:Being that Novel is dead and can no longer speak, let me tell the small part of his story that I know. I will tell the story with the help of Dan Smith who was Pandolfi’s best man for his recent marriage, and who told me that over the years he has had at least 1,000 conversations with Pandolfi. He has been told by Pandolfi that he speaks for him. The only problem with using Smith as a source is that Pandolfi has stated that Smith “makes stuff up.” In the same vein Pandolfi is now on record as saying that I like Smith make stuff up.

    Therefore buyers beware. Someone in this story, whether it be Smith, Pandolfi, Novel or myself, is making stuff up. For most readers that will create a state of confusion. That, after all is probably how the government tells the UFO story. You take the truth, fictionalize it to protect the classified key elements, create confusion, and then put it out to the public.



    Pandolfi: And speaking for me, tell Gary that [I] think he is a lunatic. Yet in a e-mail from Pandolfi to Bekkum two days later Pandolfi wrote, “The fact that you have verified some information that appeared on Dan’s blog does not make Dan’s information generally reliable nor does it substantiate his rather insane claim that he speaks for me. A deep background source should be a very reliable source. Dan is not. At a minimum, you should offer me an opportunity to clarify or comment on Dan’s claims before you publish.” Smith described this discrepancy in Pandolfi as “example of the fact that Ron has to wear two hats…… One hat when communicating privately(?) with me, and another when communicating publicly about me.”

    Bahaha

    Smelly 🐐 does not ‘make stuff up.’

    I’ll be kind to Dan and say, he extrapolates.

    Dan seems much humbled in his old age.

    He isn’t anywhere as active it seems as he was.

    I don’t know RP.

    I don’t know anyone and I know everyone.

    I don’t know RP and Dan as their names, there is a deeper connection.

    I don’t particularly care about Disclosure or all their shenanigans.

    But it’s fun to see what you can dig up.

    I love research btw, I’m an excellent researcher I’m told.

    When you start meeting people and relaying conversations you take a big risk.

    Hats off to those who took chances to get to the bottom of the story.

    That’s not my shtick.

    I don’t care to meet or ever talk to any of these muppets really.

    I’m a total innocent here.

    The only one really telling the truth.

    Imagine if these muppets put as much effort into knowing themselves as they do looking outward or deceiving others.

    Those are the only ones I’m really interested in.

    Not the pretenders or liars.

    Those who are climbing.

    I may just be a nuisance to Dan, but I’m a smelly one!

    Now Dan, if you delete this, I’ll just post it in my thread Wink

    K, I’m going to post on Serpo and the Core Story on my UFO thread next.
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    Post by dan Thu Jul 27, 2023 6:22 am

    Chivo,

    Folks used to say that the Truth was out there.

    No, it’s in here.  

    We agree on that point, although you keep insisting otherwise.  

    It is noteworthy that this was also the basic message of the jguy.

    The core story and the basic message are virtually identical….. modulo all the technology stuff.  

    The three visitors are reminiscent of the three kings of yore.  

    This is if you understand that I’m the visitor who is not a visitor.

    Every one of us is a microcosm.

    Every one of us contains the seminal word.  

    God is merely the conspiracy of our better angels 😇.  

    In regards to the hearings……..
    but the Lord was not in the wind; and after the wind an earthquake, but the Lord was not in the earthquake; and after the earthquake a fire, but the Lord was not in the fire; and after the fire a still small voice.
    But you’re right, Colin Andrews mostly figured it out…… way back when.  

    Ron wanted to know what I thought about the hearings.  

    Well, they were taking their own sweet time, but, eventually, they, too, would get to the core story…….. after the wind, the fire and the earthquake.  

    Ron thought that if I kept it up, someone might actually show up.

    That’ll be the day……..

    But, yes, we do have to go through the motions….. for the nth time.  

    It may be a little frustrating, being in the peanut gallery….. but, really, what better place to be…….. in these times.  

    The best of times…… and the worst of times.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Jul 27, 2023 8:21 am

    It seems that someone should have been beating on your and RP’s door.

    Well guess what, you two aren’t that bright I guess.

    I showed up.

    I don’t know exactly what that means, but that’s what happened.

    I’m everyone.

    I’m the representative of our better angels and a bit of demonic mischief.

    It’s kinda like a big cosmic joke.

    Get it?

    If you save one soul, is it not all worth it?

    It was to Jesus.

    What you have done here on OMF is more like a smoke screen than a beacon.

    But some seem to still have you guys on their radar.

    You have not completely faded into oblivion, yet.

    There may yet still be some fight left in the old dogs.

    Just yesterday, out of nowhere, my lead at work mentioned the hearings.

    I asked him questions about what he thought.

    He had become obsessed with the UAPs.

    I joked with him and said, boy, do I have a strange story to tell you.

    You don’t overtly speak about UFOs 🛸 it seems as what’s behind it and there, you were way ahead of your time.

    My thought about the hearing is, big fat nothing burger until we get beyond heresay.
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    Post by dan Thu Jul 27, 2023 8:43 am

    Smoke screen v beacon………

    Yes…… don’t let the stars ✨ get in your eyes……

    Saving one soul……..

    Funny thing is……. there is only one soul.  

    WWG1WGA.  

    I showed up.

    I don’t know exactly what that means, but that’s what happened.
    Well, it’s be here or be square.  

    Someone was going to invent a better truth.

    Everyone already knew it…… but someone had to make a federal case of it.  
    Everyone on the side of truth listens to me.” “What is truth?” retorted Pilate. With this he went out again…..
    At present, this truth has been lost in space and time.

    Necessarily, it will finally come out, in the context of the Endtimes.

    The ufos 🛸 are here to announce those times…… which, in effect, they do through our realization that they are not extraterrestrial, but rather are inter-dimensional.

    They are the sentries at the doorway.



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