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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    Post by dan Fri Dec 23, 2022 2:19 pm

    First topic message reminder :

    This is a topic reminder post……

    Personalism 102 is just a continuation Personalism 101…….. as we approach the limit of 40 pages.  

    The contention remains that the best possible world is necessarily based on the philosophy and ontology of Personalism.  

    The ontology is immaterialism, taken at it’s most fundamental level.

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    Post by dan Fri Feb 17, 2023 4:00 am

    The door in the wall……..

    Alexander cuts the Gordian knot.  

    We are looking for the generalized Anthropic Principle within the cosmic entanglement of the I Am.

    Yes, we’re looking for the vegan connection of disclosure.

    I’m suggesting that mathematics provides us with models.  

    Consider the Mandelbrot set, the Riemann hypothesis, the Langland’s program……..

    Are they trying to tell us something?

    Are numbers not quite as impersonal as they appear?  

    Is there not an observer effect at the heart of mathematics?  

    Numbers are merely the flotsam and jetsam.  

    Where does alchemy meet chemistry…… where does astrology meet astronomy…….. numerology meet the maths…….. the personal meet the transpersonal?  

    Wouldn’t we like to know?  

    What is the root of i…… or the mind’s eye 👁?  
    ……….


    That there is something rather than nothing is an observer effect.  

    There is a minimal something……. a cosmic bootstrap…… the rest is the best possible history.  
    ………..


    There is the irritant of the nothing…….

    The cosmic oyster 🦪 can hardly fail to produce the pearl.  

    Numbers 🧮 come along for the ride.  

    Do we pray to the nothing?

    What about the I Am?  

    I guess we pray to the primordially bootstrapped observer.  

    How cuddly!  

    There is that of the PBO in every one of us.  

    Mathematicians prove that every day.  

    Have you hugged your neighborhood mathematician today?  

    Does the PBO actually need our prayers?  

    We’d better, if we don’t want to break the cosmic bootstrap.  

    As if that were possible?  

    Well, the cosmos has a place for doubters.  

    There will always be room for faith and doubt.

    Believe, Hon!

    Even when the portals open?

    Especially then!



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri Feb 17, 2023 9:13 am

    I see clearly now I have really got something here.

    It’s just so simple.

    I found the key to the universe in a sandwich.

    Could it be any more perfect?

    Heaven now.

    While the muppets boil and bubble and worry like Dan, Cy, and hobbit, I don’t.

    Dan, simplify your terms maybe.

    Calm your mind.

    Relax.
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    Post by dan Sat Feb 18, 2023 6:24 am

    Chivo………
    Hell is a room full of mirrors…… hiding a door……
    See, Chivo may not be as dumb as he looks.
    …………


    I take a Penrosian view of persons……. that we transcend any analytic view of the mental.

    This is only a modest extrapolation from Gödel.  

    One should not confuse this line of reasoning with mathematical intuitionism, which seems rather weak and outdated.  

    Mathematical intuitionism is mainly just a denial of Platonism.

    I don’t have any strong views on Platonism.  

    What I do note is that current mathematical developments continue to demonstrate the power of our mathematical speculation and intuitions.

    In other words, we are seeing conjectures piled on conjectures as defining the current state of the art.

    The mother of all conjectures is the Riemann Hypothesis.  

    The centrality of the RH certainly argues for the coherence of mathematics.

    This fits very nicely with the global coherence theory of truth (CohTT) as espoused in the BPWH.  

    I take it to be prima facie evidence for the BPWH.  

    The intuitionists see mathematics as _merely_ a human construct.  

    The BPWH posits mathematics as tantamount to proof of the Transpersonal core of personal sapience.  

    It points to our intimacy with the logos spermatikos……. our orientation with respect to the One…… the I Am…….. the cosmic womb or Source.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sat Feb 18, 2023 12:46 pm

    All that mish mash is not really simplifying your terms.

    Shrug.
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    Post by dan Sun Feb 19, 2023 2:05 am

    The professional philosophers are simply not minding the store, when it comes to the philosophy of mathematics.  

    There have been very significant developments in the foundations of mathematics related to the Riemann Hypothesis, and the philosophers remain tongue tied.

    The old issue was Platonism.

    The new issue is up for grabs.

    I nominate Personalism/conjecturalism……… not to be confused with the old issues of intuitionism and constructivism.  

    Ok, the traditional debate has been between the Platonists/Realists and the anti-Realists.  

    I maintain that Personalism is the 800# gorilla in that room.  

    I’m perusing the Wikipedia article on this topic……..

    It’s not yet clear where Personalism may fit into any of the the myriad schools of thought.  
    ………….


    Ok, sports fans, chick 🐣 has made his final breakthrough…….

    chick has discovered that the world is round…….. no, not the Earth, but that is round, too…….. no, I’m saying that the world is round.  

    It’s the Buddhists and scientific materialists who are saying that the world is flat.  

    This discovery/inspiration comes to us by way of Yitang Zhang.  

    Yitang discovered that, although there is no upper bound on the separation between primes, there is also no upper bound on the number of primes separated by <70,000,000.  

    That separation distance was quickly reduced to 6, on the way to, maybe, proving the twin prime conjecture………. that there must be an infinite number of twin primes.  

    Does this tell us, contrary to Thomas Friedman, that the world is not flat?  

    Is that what vladdie is trying to prove?  

    Ok, vladdie, you can save your bombs 💣.  

    The Katechon is all about keeping the world flat.  

    Secular humanism is all about keeping the world flat 🗺.  

    Capitalism is all about keeping the world flat.  

    Chivo is all about keeping the world flat 🗺.  

    Yitang is exhibit A for the round world 🌎.  

    Yes, the world is necessarily geocentric and anthropocentric.  

    The jguy provided half the proof……. the SoT provides the other half.  

    Each one, alone, makes a bang…….. put them together and you have an Eschaton.  

    That’s what the insiders are waiting for……..

    There are more things in Heaven and Earth than are dreamt of in all the philosophies………. save for one…….. 🐣.  

    If mathematics is round then so must be the rest of the world.  

    It’s just that simple, sports fans!

    Now, all we have to do is find the mathematician who is closest to this Truth.  

    Yitang?  Not necessarily…….. he is too close to the action.  

    Do ufos 🛸 prove that the world is round?  

    Portals prove that the world is round.  

    In 1492 Christopher Columbus set sail for India, going west. He had the Nina, the Pinta and the Santa Maria. He never did find India, but he called the people he met "Indians" and came home and reported to his king and queen: "The world is round." I set off for India 512 years later. I knew just which direction I was going. I went east. I had Lufthansa business class, and I came home and reported only to my wife and only in a whisper: "The world is flat."
    Poor Thom.  

    The cosmic womb/egg……. hiranyagarbha……. is the counterpart to the logos spermatikos.  

    Ironically, perhaps, hiranyagarbha is also known to the Hindus as Brahman……..
    The Upanishad calls it the Soul of the Universe or Brahman,[2] and elaborates that Hiraṇyagarbha floated around in emptiness and the darkness of the non-existence for about a year, and then broke into two halves which formed the Svarga and the Pṛthvi.
    Hmmm, we don’t say…….

    Then there is svayambhu…….. the self-born……. the origin of pratītyasamutpāda.  

    The Vedānta Sūtra further states that Brahman is That from Whom this Universe proceeds, in Whom it subsists, and to Whom, in the end, it returns.
    Sure, just don’t make it cyclical.  

    This is the main problem with Hinduism 🕉……. they take time as an absolute, and so make Creation cyclical…… and ultimately impersonal.  

    Taoism fell into the same trap 🪤…….. as made explicit with the yin/yang symbol.  

    All this cyclical/impersonal stuff was just another aspect of the Katechon.  

    Yitang, coming out of obscurity, broke through the Katechon, without quite realizing it.  
    ………….


    How long will it take folks to smell the eschatological coffee ☕?  

    Are we going to have to wait for Yitang….. the Movie 🍿?  
    …………


    ftgm suggests that Aristotle was also a personalist in these regards.  

    I pointed out that Aristotle was never more than a weak personalist…… ie he only accepted personalism as an epistemology…….. he never took the quantum leap into ontology.  

    Yitang and chick 🐣 are not weak about the ontological implications of mathematics.  

    We both understand that mathematics goes to the heart of the Cosmic Egg 🥚 and the Logos.  

    Yitang has proven that Atman = Brahman……. in other words.  

    And, no, that ain’t nuttin’.  
    …………


    NYTimes……….
    One Year Into War, Putin Is Crafting the Russia He Craves
    In Ukraine, President Vladimir V. Putin’s invasion has met setback after setback. But its effect at home has been very different.
    Russia 🇷🇺 is becoming rather less flat.  

    Whither goes China 🇨🇳?

    Dialectical materialism is about as flat as they come.  
    ………..


    How could the Hindus come so close to getting it right, but also get it so wrong?

    They missed any Metanarrative.

    Well, that fact points to a basic historical problem……. there is only one Metanarrative…….. there is no second place.

    The mystics have no concept of a God of history……… they have no concept of history……… other than as a descent into darkness.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Feb 19, 2023 12:12 pm

    Chivo is all about enjoying his sandwich.

    Anytime you want to sit down and share one, you are more than welcome.

    These days I’m enjoying turkey provolone and Muffulettas.

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    Post by dan Mon Feb 20, 2023 4:41 am

    The face off is between Tom and Bill………

    It’s either the flat world or the admonition to not immanentize the Eschaton.

    It’s the modernists vs the postmodern Perennialists.

    So Joe throws his lot in with Volody, while poor Vladdie is left on the sidelines.

    Perhaps it’s time for chick 🐣 to blow the whistle.  

    Hey, guys, it’s all over, but the shouting.  

    No, we won’t immanentize the Eschaton…… instead, we will be able to embrace it.  

    Yes, we can have our best possible world…… and eat it, too…… sub specie aeternitatis.  
    ………….


    Postmodern Perennialism……… is up for grabs…… says chick 🐣.  

    Perennialism is about monism and universalism.  

    It is not explicitly about personalism……. but I believe it could be and should be made explicit.  

    It is about the world being round rather than flat.  

    A round world is necessarily anthropocenric…… and small.  

    The other perennialists are wary of taking that obvious but radical step……. of turning the obvious epistemology into an ontology.

    In the 20th century, universalism was further popularized through the Advaita Vedanta and Sufism inspired Traditionalist School, which argued for a metaphysical, single origin of the orthodox religions, and by Aldous Huxley and his book The Perennial Philosophy, which was inspired by neo-Vedanta.

    The underlying unity of mathematics, as demonstrated by Wiles and Zhang, points in this same direction…….. it points to the universality of sapience……. it points to the Logos Spermatikos/Cosmic Egg……. the primordial Observer.  

    Mathematics has moved beyond its foundation in logicism…….. it has moved on to conjecturalism…… yes, on to Transpersonalism/transcendentalism.

    Someone is going to pick up on this neo-Perennialism and run with it.  

    And thus will commence our close encounter with the Eschaton.  

    We are merely making a federal case out of Atman = Brahman.  

    Where is everyone else?  

    Julius Evola, as a self-declared ‘super-fascist’, and mentor of Putin’s mentor, rendered Perennialism virtually untouchable by the intelligentsia…….. up until the present day.  

    What allowed Evola to run off the rails was his failure to recognize that, historically/logically, anthpocentrism is equivalent to Christocentrism.  

    In fact, he published diatribes against Christianity.  

    The Stanford SEP dismisses Perennialism in one short paragraph.  

    I don’t know any trinitarians who have embraced Perennialism.  

    Yes, we are witnessing a cosmic coverup in action.  

    Putin is doing nothing to extricate Perennialism from fascism…… but someone will.  

    The only way to do that will be to emphasize its Anthropocentic/Christocentic essence.  

    And what member of the intelligentsia is liable to do that?  

    Will we have to open the portals first?
    …………


    I was sitting at my desk examining the Kolyvagin–Flach method. It wasn't that I believed I could make it work, but I thought that at least I could explain why it didn't work. Suddenly I had this incredible revelation. I realised that, the Kolyvagin–Flach method wasn't working, but it was all I needed to make my original Iwasawa theory work from three years earlier. So out of the ashes of Kolyvagin–Flach seemed to rise the true answer to the problem. It was so indescribably beautiful; it was so simple and so elegant. I couldn't understand how I'd missed it and I just stared at it in disbelief for twenty minutes. Then during the day I walked around the department, and I'd keep coming back to my desk looking to see if it was still there. It was still there. I couldn't contain myself, I was so excited. It was the most important moment of my working life. Nothing I ever do again will mean as much.
    Anyone who has ever had a mystical experience will sympathize.  

    It’s time to wake up, folks, and smell the coffee ☕.  

    For 30 years there was no progress, and then, in 1986, Ken Ribet, a professor at the University of California, Berkeley, was attending the International Congress of Mathematicians when he had a revelation: "I found the crucial ingredient that had been missing. It had been staring me in the face. I wandered back to my apartment on a cloud, thinking, my God, is this really correct? I was completely enthralled. I sat down and started scribbling on a pad of paper. After an hour or two, I'd written everything out and verified that I knew the key steps, and that it all fitted together. I said to myself, this absolutely has to work."
    ………..

    "There were thousands of mathematicians at the International Congress," recalled Ribet, "and I sort of casually mentioned to a few people that the Taniyama-Shimura conjecture implies Fermat's Last Theorem. It spread like wildfire and soon large groups of people knew, and they were running up to me asking, 'Is it really true you've found a link to Fermat's Last Theorem?' And I had to think for a minute, and all of a sudden I said, 'Yes, I have'."
    ……….

    'It was one evening at the end of the summer of 1986 when I was sipping iced tea at the house of a friend," recalls Wiles. "Casually, in the middle of a conversation, he told me that Ken Ribet had proved a link between Taniyama-Shimura and Fermat's Last Theorem. I was electrified. I knew that moment that the course of my life was changing because this meant that to prove Fermat's Last Theorem all I had to do was to prove the Taniyama-Shimura conjecture.




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    Post by Mr. Janus Mon Feb 20, 2023 10:09 pm

    Dan...

    Do you,

    Ron,

    And


    Princess



    Think you're better than the rest of us?


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    Post by dan Mon Feb 20, 2023 10:41 pm

    I strongly believe that everyone of us can and will be one with the One.

    In this process of becoming, it will happen frequently that the first shall be last, and the last shall be first.

    And, in the end, we’ll understand that there has only ever been one of us.

    Does this answer your question?

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    Post by Mr. Janus Tue Feb 21, 2023 1:06 am

    Yes,

    Thank U!

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Feb 21, 2023 2:16 am

    Everyone is having their own unique experience.

    Some are aware and most are not.

    That’s just the time we live in.

    One is not better or worse than another.

    It is better to be good to each other and yourself than not.

    It is better to be aware than not.

    It is better to know thyself than not.

    It is better to walk through the door than simply knock.

    It is better to be wise and kind than stupid and mean.

    It is better to be open than closed.

    It is better to let love flow in your life than not.

    It is better to have gnosis than none.

    It is better to see and treat the world as sacred than meaningless.

    But that’s all just my experience and the opinion of ones I respect who have lived well.

    What others think about themselves is irrelevant really.

    Look at what they do, but what you do is the most important thing for you.

    One has to focus on the little things.

    The rest will do what it does.

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    Post by dan Tue Feb 21, 2023 4:24 am

    In political theory and theology, to immanentize the eschaton is a formerly pejorative term referring to attempts to bring about utopian conditions in the world, and to effectively create heaven on earth.[1] Theologically, the belief is akin to postmillennialism as reflected in the Social Gospel of the 1880–1930 era,[2] as well as Protestant reform movements during the Second Great Awakening in the 1830s and 1840s such as abolitionism.

    At the end of the 12th century, Joachim of Fiore theorized the coming of an age of earthly bliss right before the end of time. Although not a full immanentization, Joachim has opened the way to an anticipation of the eschaton in the course of time. His ideas have influenced the thoughts on an immanentized eschaton.
    …… right before the end……..

    We don’t say………!

    [Voegelin] did not speculate on the institutional forms in which a spiritual recovery might take place but expressed confidence that the current 500-year cycle of secularism would come to an end because he stated that "you cannot deny the human forever."
    We cannot deny the [Person] forever!  

    And we won’t, sports fans!  

    …….. Right before the End………!!

    While modern-era liberalism had stressed the pursuit of individual liberty as its highest goal, Strauss felt that there should be a greater interest in the problem of human excellence and political virtue. Through his writings, Strauss constantly raised the question of how, and to what extent, freedom and excellence can coexist. Strauss refused to make do with any simplistic or one-sided resolutions of the Socratic question: What is the good for the city and man?
    The first was a "brutal" nihilism, expressed in Nazi and Bolshevik regimes. In On Tyranny, he wrote that these ideologies, both descendants of Enlightenment thought, tried to destroy all traditions, history, ethics, and moral standards and replace them by force under which nature and mankind are subjugated and conquered.[69] The second type—the "gentle" nihilism expressed in Western liberal democracies—was a kind of value-free aimlessness and a hedonistic "permissive egalitarianism," which he saw as permeating the fabric of contemporary American society.
    Thomas Hobbes, under the influence of Francis Bacon, re-oriented political thought to what was most solid but also most low in man—his physical hopes and fears—setting a precedent for John Locke and the later economic approach to political thought, as in David Hume and Adam Smith.
    ………….


    Yes, the gaps between primes tend toward infinity.  

    There are an infinite number of infinite gaps, however, there remain an infinite number of finite gaps.  

    This seems almost common sense, but it is uncommonly difficult to prove.  

    But can’t we just say that there is no largest finite gap?  

    Why all the shouting?  

    Ok, we’re saying that there are an infinite number of _bounded_ gaps……. of gaps less than a certain size.

    The minimum gap size does not tend to infinity.

    The twin prime conjecture states that the minimum gap length remains at two, no matter how far out you are looking.  

    Could this fact or its proof have any philosophical import?  
    ……….


    Well, mathematical proofs are tending to demonstrate the global unity or coherence or entanglement of mathematics.  

    The proliferation of conjectures and the reliance upon them does the same.  

    These trends count as evidence for the universality of sapience.

    What do the Darwinists have to say about this?

    Nothing!

    Are there no teleological implications?

    Are there no eschatological implications?



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    Post by dan Wed Feb 22, 2023 5:26 pm

    Personhood cannot be denied forever.  

    But where is the opposition to scientific materialism?  

    It remains highly fragmented……… sectarian, while scientism maintains a monolithic front.

    Big Bang cosmology and Darwinism rule the roost.  

    The only visible cracks in the monolith surround the issues of the mind.  

    In that case, the only escape from materialism is back to Cartesian dualism.  This is the de facto stance of the prophetic sects.  

    However, to say anything substantial about the mind, from a dualist perspective, is to raise the issue of teleology, which would be a direct challenge to Darwinism.

    Well, ok, there is another crack in the materialist facade……. the Anthropic Principle.  It has received a fair amount of attention by various individuals in various forums, but nothing compared to the amount of attention devoted to consciousness.  

    And where is the consciousness issue going?  

    It remains an intellectual curiosity, a mind teaser, if you will.

    It is not a battle cry.  

    What is the battle?  

    The only groups that might take this up are in the Eastern/mystical traditions, but they remain supportive of the scientific cosmology vis a vis the Creationists, for instance.

    Darwinism hardly phases the mystics.  

    It is a considerable irony that Putin is the only one seriously confronting modernism.  

    He definitely caters to the Orthodox Church.  

    It is a form of Perennialism.  

    Does Xi have the slightest interest in Perennialism?  

    I seriously doubt it.  

    Recall when the Falun Gong confronted the regime.  It was expeditiously torpedoed.  

    Lately, Xi appears to be backing off from capitalism.  

    Is there not an ideological vacuum in China?  How long can that last?  

    But that is the same question we are posing to modernism.

    Modernism is sputtering. Where is the heroic materialism?



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    Post by dan Thu Feb 23, 2023 8:32 am

    The question is whether any world leaders, besides Putin, have a vision.  

    Does secular humanism count as a vision?  

    It is just the antithesis of a vision…… I humbly submit.

    Is MAGA a vision?  

    A vision necessarily has a prophetic narrative essence.  

    What about Marxism?  

    A prophetic vision necessarily has a transcendental/metaphysical component.  

    In as much as capitalism had a vision, it came out of the Protestant work ethic……. which came out of certain monastic movements……
    Protestants, beginning with Martin Luther, conceptualized worldly work as a duty which benefits both the individual and society as a whole.[8] Thus, the Catholic idea of good works[9] was transformed into an obligation to consistently work diligently as a sign of grace.
    This is just the opposite of what we see in the non-prophetic/mystical tradition, where a principal sign of grace is one’s disengagement from the world.  

    There are no Protestant monasteries, to speak of.  

    Where does the BPWH fit with engagement?

    How is the BPWH not just fatalistic?  

    It is fatalistic, that’s why we have the Grand Deception and the Great Apostasy, right up until D-day.  

    chick 🐣 gets to have an exclusive engagement with Sophia, up until that time.  
    ………..


    NYTimes…….
    ‘Woodstock’ for Christians: Revival Draws Thousands to Kentucky Town
    The spirit moves…….
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_Revolution
    Poor Vladdie, thinks he can do it with a howitzer.

    Will we all have to be able to see the jguy in the Riemann Hypothesis?

    Wherever personhood is celebrated.  

    Do mathematicians celebrate personhood?  

    Yes, but very few have a clue…….. as of now.  

    Surprise!  

    Piling conjecture upon conjecture is just a subtle way of celebrating the person.  

    Who would have thought……. an awakening is just too obvious.  

    Hurry, Lord, as we quicken the spirit.

    Does the Riemann Hypothesis prove that Atman = Brahman?  

    That’s exactly what it does.  

    It’s a piece of eternity dropped in our laps…… kinda like the jguy.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Feb 23, 2023 9:00 pm

    MAGA is death.

    Humanism is a dead end.

    Joy is the only way.

    No vision needed here.

    Just this is more than enough.

    The key is to stop letting yourself be distracted.

    No hurrying is needed.

    It’s all here now.

    Sorry most can’t see it.

    Too bad they can’t realize it is happening now.

    They would rather hate each other.

    I understand, it’s too much for them to see this.

    Fear and hate are too familiar still.

    Some of us are living life to the best it can be.
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    Post by dan Thu Feb 23, 2023 9:43 pm

    And she shows you where to look
    Among the garbage and the flowers
    There are heroes in the seaweed
    There are children in the morning
    They are leaning out for love

    Chivo doesn’t quite understand that there is no garbage.

    But, yes, we have all the time in the world to figure this out.

    We will……. at the best possible time.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri Feb 24, 2023 12:01 am

    Direct perception of reality is always possible.

    It removes all doubt.

    This is the Good News after all.

    I accept the entire corpus of man and myself.

    Your conceptualizations obscure the light.

    You just can’t see it yet apparently.

    If you did, you would see no difference.

    Cogitation alone ain’t gonna get you here.

    The one who masters the intuitive and discursive shall immediately be with god, the light.

    Existence and essence or essence and existence.

    Both eyes open.

    To see is to be self-illuminated, light of itself and in itself.

    This is when the divided brain is unified, healing the split.

    Goats 🐐 before chickens 🐔 sorry.

    The least shall be greatest and all that jazz.

    When you get here, we can eat some flowers together or something.

    There is time enough even for chickens to see and be healed.
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    Post by dan Sat Feb 25, 2023 8:09 am

    Yes, Chivo follows the solitary path of the mystic.  

    It is a fine path….. it will get you to Nirvana…… and you don’t need to say a word…… although he says quite a few.  

    chic, on the other hand, understands that we, persons, are essentially social beings.  

    Most of our sociability is expressed through words.

    I practice word smithery, with an eye on the Eschaton.  

    With this in mind, let’s focus on Nirvana.  

    The Hindus are most explicit about their personal take on Nirvana……

    Nirvana comes with the realization that Atman = Brahman……. being one with the One.  

    Ostensibly, Buddhists say the opposite…….

    Enlightenment comes with the realization of the non-Self……. which is equivalent with the realization of Sunyata……. the emptiness of all things.  

    But wait, is enlightenment empty, or is it the realization of emptiness?

    That realization is perfectly capable of filling the non-Self…… and that ain’t nuttin’, Honey……. just ask Siddhartha.  

    Is the glass half full or half empty?  

    We have to be able to see both sides of the cosmic coin.  

    Well, seeing one side suffices for the individual, but it does not suffice for the Metanarrative.  

    And why should anyone care about the Metanarrative?  

    No one should care, by themselves.  

    But, in as much as we are social beings, we must care……. it is our duty to care.  

    Has Sidd lead us astray?  

    Well, he represents half of the Katechon……. the jguy represents the other half.  

    Put them together, and they annihilate……. history……. that is the Eschaton.  

    You can see why folks are a bit hesitant…… why we are always ready to immanentize the Eschaton……. given the chance.  

    Well, all good stories must have an end, and the Metanarrative is a good story…… no, it is the best story.  

    Everyone likes a good story, but some are fearful of the best.  

    Fear not, said the angel 🐣.  
    ………..


    Nirvana has also been claimed by some scholars to be identical with anatta (non-self) and sunyata (emptiness) states though this is hotly contested by other scholars and practicing monks.

    Yes, our self-appointed intelligentsia leans heavily toward nihilism…… will they be leaning that way forever?  

    Western scholars often equate Nirvana with the extinguishing of the ego.

    But that is not correct.  

    No…….. rather, Nirvana is the extinguishing of craving and ignorance.  

    Buddha’s achievement was not nothingness……..

    No……. his achievement was enlightenment….. wakefulness.

    Hey, Buddha was woke!



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sat Feb 25, 2023 11:49 am

    It is quite hilarious to me how Dan denies the personal experience of direct perception, as he incessantly speaks of personalism.

    Maybe he should practice what he preaches.

    He pushes an eschatological politics I don’t care for at all.

    Politics of our time have become sacralized.

    Politics has become religion.

    More layers of obfuscation.

    They now trend toward fascism and totalitarianism driven by materialism.

    They claim their own prerogative of defining the fundamental purpose and meaning of human life. Secular political entities such as the nation, the state, race, class, and the party became the focus of myths, rituals, and commandments and gradually became objects of faith, loyalty, and reverence.

    All because they are terrified of direct perception, final participation.

    My preferred politics of liberal democracy is no better or worse.

    Directly perceiving is what Jesus practiced, demonstrated, and preached.

    All politics is trying to fill the void due to the lack of personal responsibility and awareness of the corpus.

    So there you have it.

    Direct perception now or doom and gloom.

    All is derivative of direct perception.

    All the thinking and conceptualization is a delay tactic.

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    Post by dan Sat Feb 25, 2023 12:10 pm

    Direct perception…… Now!

    Yes, science and modernism are the art of indirect perception.

    And too often it is language that gets in the way of perception.

    Mine is the talking cure.

    Chivo subscribes to the _not so_ silent treatment.
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    Post by dan Sun Feb 26, 2023 7:35 am

    Sidd says that nothing is the only thing that can exist.

    Chick says that nothing is only thing that can’t exist.  

    Who is right?  

    I am.  

    Just think about it…… and read up on Buddhism.  

    Wheeler said that the only real phenomenon is an observed phenomenon.  

    Who observes nothing?  

    The Buddhists are saying that nothing observes nothing.  

    That just makes a whole lot of sense!  

    What they should say is that existence is relative……. there is no objective/absolute existence……. especially not with God.  

    What about the I Am?  

    Wouldn’t a primordial subject require a primordial object?  

    What is a Creator without a Creation?  

    Ok, so we have co-dependent arising……. ex nihilo?  

    What about Nirvana?

    Was that not the achievement of a sapient being?

    Is that nothing?

    What about Taoism, with the yin and yang?  



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Feb 26, 2023 12:50 pm

    Taoism and Zen are ways to directly perceive.

    Proclus wrote:The lotus manifests its affinity and sympathy with the sun. Before the appearance of the sun’s rays, its blossom is closed; it opens slowly at sunrise, unfolds as the sun rises to the zenith, and folds again and closes as the sun descends. What difference is there between the human manner of praising the sun by moving its mouth and lips, and that of the lotus which unfolds its petals? They are its lips and this is its natural hymn…………we should be aware that it is a hymn to its king, such as it is within the power of a plant to sing.

    The mystic can hear the plants’ ever so feint lamentations and praises.

    The intellect can apprehend aspects of the one and the via negativa or apophatic method helps to remove abstractions, but this purely intellectual or abstract approach does nothing to enflame the heart.

    William Blake wrote:I went to the Garden of Love,
    And saw what I never had seen;
    A Chapel was built in the midst,
    Where I used to play on the green.

    And the gates of this Chapel were shut,
    And ‘Thou shalt not’ writ over the door;
    So I turned to the Garden of Love
    That so many sweet flowers bore.

    And I saw it was filled with graves,
    And tombstones where flowers should be;
    And Priests in black gowns were walking their rounds,
    And binding with briars my joys & desires.

    Existence can only emerge through a relationship.

    Monism has created an unbridgeable gap between the human and god.

    But each of us is an instance of a theophany.

    We lack the awareness mostly to know this.

    But we have a force in us that can guide us back…if we listen and act.

    If we follow love and see with our hearts.

    Marcus Aurelius wrote:Constantly regard the universe as one living being, having one substance and one soul; and observe how all things have reference to one perception, the perception of this one living being; and how all things act with one movement; and how all things are the cooperating causes of all things which exist; observe too the continuous spinning of the thread and the contexture of the web.”

    Use the imagination and intellect to perceive this.

    Everything is sacred or nothing is.
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    Post by dan Mon Feb 27, 2023 7:41 am

    As scientism implodes, it comes down to just two world views…….. Buddhism ☸ and Christianity ✝.  

    And, guess what, sports fans, they are the perfect complement for each other.  

    I’ve been hung up on Buddhism for several days because of all of its talk about emptiness.  

    That was just so much baloney……. meant only for the ears of scientists.  

    Emptiness, it turns out, is just a code word for the illumined mind.  

    Illumined with what?  

    Illumined with the understanding that all things are pregnant 🤰 with Buddha Nature.  

    But, hey, it’s been a long gestation……. >2,500 years…… and counting…….

    In the meantime, see if you can relax and enjoy the ride.  

    The suckers who call themselves Christians get stuck with being the orderlies in the delivery room.

    It can get messy……. but who’s complaining?
    ……….


    All the rest of it……?

    Nature abhors a vacuum.  

    In the meantime for the Christians, it’s hurry up and wait.

    The waiting is not so bad if you can appreciate the process…… if you have a score card.  

    The Buddhists appreciate the process.  

    They appreciate it so much that they don’t want it ever to end.  

    But, hey, the audience has grown rather large…… with all the anticipation.  

    Many folks would like to do a freeze frame……. anticipating that we might be approaching some apogee.  

    Even if we are counting down, can’t we have a built-in hold?

    What we are seeing now may be the built-in hold.  

    To say that this moment of reflection might be a bit fragile would be to look at it optimistically.  
    ………..


    For our global civilization to turn on a dime, that would be quite a feat…….. even with all of our fancy communication networks……. what is inside our heads is still the original equipment.  

    A decisive Disclosure event could have a significant impact, nonetheless.  

    Such an event could well have been deemed to be an essential part of the Metanarrative……. from the get go.  

    Should we be holding our breath?  

    Would anything short of such an event be likely to trigger the timely collapse of modernism?

    But any such collapse would be a risky adventure……. precipitating untold collateral damage…….. 8 billion of us won’t be heading to that exclusive desert island 🏝 or to some mountain 🏔 top retreat.  
    ………..


    Even if we could arrange for a word of mouth gestalt switch in the earliest stages, at some point, sooner than later, we would reach a critical mass…….. the mass media would get into the act……. they would be entrained.  

    Nothing short of throwing open those ~100K portals, per impossible (?), would suffice to soften the impact of our close encounter with the Eschaton.
    ………..


    It was about a year ago that the sudden, massive opening of the portals came up.  

    At the time, it seemed an extreme proposition.  

    A year later, it’s more like the only thing that would be feasible.  
    …………


    With 8 billion people and a coverup, what you have is a pressure cooker, with the lid about to blow.  

    The only safety valve that I can discern are the portals.  

    In the end, it’s just a no brainer.  

    What happened to the Spirit of Truth and the Second Coming?

    Should we complain?

    Well, if you wanted the thief in the night, it looks like you’re in business!



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    Post by dan Tue Feb 28, 2023 9:12 am

    I guess I’m saying that Disclosure is a non starter…….

    If portals are possible, the disclosure of that possibility will almost of necessity lead to their immediate deployment.  

    The most that we might hope for is that the deployment be gradual.  

    Gradualism is not a likely prospect.  

    We are much more likely to see a synchrony in the opening or hatching.  

    The notion of a Rapture will be in the forefront.  
    ………..


    Noté bené that this would not be a sectarian rapture.

    It would be universal in scope.

    It is our return to Source.  

    This sounds like we would be experiencing a head-on collision with the Eschaton.  

    Only recently, I was considering a near miss……. an elliptical perigee around the Omega.  

    That would require a carefully orchestrated Disclosure…… which does not seem to be in the cards 🎴.  
    ………


    On the other hand, the complementarity of Buddhism ☸ and Christianity ✝……. Buddha Nature plus Christ Consciousness…… does seem propitious regarding a global orchestration……. of some kind.  

    Would this leave Islam ☪ and Hinduism 🕉️ twisting in the wind……. not to mention scientism?



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Feb 28, 2023 1:18 pm

    Your portals as presented to date are useless and meaningless to me.

    If they are so important to your ontology, then give us the details please.

    And why would you know anymore than anyone else?

    Your theorizing and speculation and guesses are yours.

    Anything concrete to discuss?


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