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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    Post by dan Tue Jul 05, 2022 5:28 am

    First topic message reminder :

    This is the topic reminder post for Personalism 101.

    A good place to start is right here……. https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/personalism/

    My contention is that the BPWH = Personalism.

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    Post by Cyrellys Sun Sep 18, 2022 8:56 pm

    So FOOT, what is the big deal with Sept 24?  Everyone and their grandmother is staking a claim to the day, from false flag practices being set up in Okaloosa KS, to the 2 cents from the German peanut gallery, to Colorado handing out more "bugout bags" on that day.  

    And there is the guy  saying Putin's doctors are saying only has maybe a year left to live due to cancer...

    Conspiracy Theorists don't have the market cornered on weird.  They're just eating popcorn watching the great dumb show everyone else is putting on.

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    Hello, Cy.

    I do agree with you that we are faced with an unparalled set of circumstances, pretty much what we faced post Pearl Harbor, when the Japanese were running wild.

    What makes this scenario so difficult and heartbreaking, is that our own leadership did this to us. We refused to act, when we realized that a set of globalist traitrors within several admininstrations were bent on destroying America-from within.

    So, what to do?

    Back in the day we faced enormous problems with imagination, determination, and courage (Joe Biden has none of those qualities). Roosevelt instructed his miliatary commanders to seek out an opportunity to curb Japanese expansion in the Pacific. Roosevelt lit the fires and successfully inspired and mobilized the American polity and political economy to sweep aside all previous notions and deal with enemies on two fronts. Within six months positive enormous changes in our military, infrastructure and bold commanders on the American side set into motion both Japan's  destruction and Hitler's downfall. Within six months of the raid on Pearl Harbor, we defeated the Japanese Navy at Midway. We reversed Hitler's plan to cappture Egypt and the oil reserves in the Middle East. But more importantly, our people gave the war effort their all. We are very good in fluid situations. We are great improvisors and have generally, the capacity to pick good leaders. 

    IMO, our enemies have nearly brought us to our knees. But many of us are still standing and are willing to carry on-no matter how grim the situation. That IMO, was a fatal mistake by the NWO crowd. We still have resources. We have technical knowledge how to run a complex society and industry. We still have our guns. We have a huge population that were effectively trained in military arts and are capable soldiers.

    So, returning to the status quo. IMO, the best thing for us is to engage like we did in the dark days of WWII in holding actions, learn from the enemy and to develope the leadership to end this decisively with an American patriot victory. AND TO STAY AWAKE at the conclusion. We fell asleep post WWII.

    Yes, it will be rough. It conveys Images of Americans in the bunkers of Corregidor. McArthur and family aboard PT boats running toward Australia. Grizzled, half-starved American pilots of the Cacuts Air Force (Guadalcanal) slugging it out in inferior planes with the Japanese superb Zero and their excellent pilots. Not to mention GIs getting the shit kicked out of them by Rommel's pansers at Kasserine Pass in North Africa.

    I can only wish and hope that God still loves the United States.

    I can only wish and hope that Amercans will stand to and take these mofos on like we did with the Japanese and Nazis.

    Somehow I am certain we will.

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Sep 18, 2022 11:50 pm

    As much as we fight it, quite often, we end up where we began.

    I stand against, or beyond, this heresy called Christianity in America to my DNA 🧬

    But I have come home to myself.

    I know without any doubts the verity and passion of Love.

    Now, I know, what I only guessed at as a fool.

    One can live with and stop at the pathos of their age.

    My way is contemplative and transcendent.

    The experience must be intelligible.

    The natural is already supernatural.

    We can make sense of our lives without God, but our experience isn’t sensible.

    I now participate consciously with the force I was driven by unconsciously.

    It literally revealed itself to me where it was an invisible guiding hand before.

    In this I have realized Owen Barfield’s final participation.

    I have smashed the idols of humanity and my own mind.

    I ripped my face away.

    The Orphic cult of Trump and Q is pathetic compared to the unsurpassed value of knowing Love, for which I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them mere rubbish, so that I may gain true Love and experience reality.

    The world will awaken from this nightmare, this cult of personality.

    This is not the end of humanity at all.

    This is the conscious awareness of participation, the fullness of being.

    There is no name for it or object.

    It contains all objects.

    Metaphysics comes after the scientific description of nature, not prior.

    One moves on from looking for and cognizing ‘A’ being.

    No one can take away your conscious participation with nature.

    How can we give any account of consciousness beyond our physical experience of it?

    We can move phenomenologically from physical experience to the conditions of consciousness.

    The supreme problem is intentionality.

    How about the transcendental conditions of consciousness?

    How to make your way to the indivisible source of consciousness?

    This has been what I have discussed with Dan for years, whether any of you realized this or not.

    You can’t really explain it.

    This trumps all the verbal and mental representations of it.

    We do have free will.

    When we choose not to love, the love of others becomes a torment for us.

    Then we know hell on earth.

    This is the state of America and the Earth.

    We have chosen not to love and we are in our own hell.

    We can emerge from this hell.

    There is only one way.

    Choose Love.

    Apply this to every area of your life and you will know the wonder and joy of knowing God.

    That’s it, that’s really the beginning and end of every conflict on earth.

    The BPW exists for us to realize this perhaps.

    Is perhaps the singular reason for being here.

    We make life hell, because life bends toward the good, there is a way out of hell.

    Observe those preaching hatred of the other and you know your true enemy.

    It’s not the choice that makes you free, it’s knowing what you’re choosing.

    We desire pleasure and beauty and the good most naturally.

    One would never reject God if they saw the choice.

    There can never be a free rejection of God.
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    Post by Foot Mann Mon Sep 19, 2022 6:45 pm

    On command of the Princess, the Chicken will soon be rendered to a safe location. Good luck to those who are unprotected.
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    Post by dan Mon Sep 19, 2022 6:57 pm

    The Ukraine?  

    Or maybe the Donbas?

    Maybe Steven S will protect us.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon Sep 19, 2022 9:03 pm

    I live in love, there is no where safer.

    No luck or protection needed.

    If you think God exists anywhere else but in love, you are lost fools.

    Happy trails and good riddance.

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon Sep 19, 2022 11:23 pm

    The fullness of life is realized in letting go, not holding on and hiding.

    “How do you know that every bird that cuts the airy way is an immense world of delight closed by your senses five?”

    The Garden of Love

    BY WILLIAM BLAKE

    “I went to the Garden of Love,
    And saw what I never had seen:
    A Chapel was built in the midst,
    Where I used to play on the green.

    And the gates of this Chapel were shut,
    And 'Thou shalt not' writ over the door;
    So I turn'd to the Garden of Love,
    That so many sweet flowers bore.

    And I saw it was filled with graves,
    And tomb-stones where flowers should be:
    And Priests in black gowns, were walking their rounds,
    And binding with briars, my joys & desires.”

    We are energized by love, not law.

    “He who binds to himself a joy
    Does the winged life destroy;
    But he who kisses the joy as it flies
    Lives in eternity's sun rise.”
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    Post by GSB Tue Sep 20, 2022 5:20 am

    Best Possible World



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    Post by 99 Tue Sep 20, 2022 5:57 am

    dan wrote:The Ukraine?  

    Or maybe the Donbas?

    Maybe Steven S will protect us.  


    Hey Borscht-boy (Dan},

    you couldn't have

    picked out somewhere more

    off the beaten path!

    but you better get outta there real

    F-A-S-T

    before Putin

    ,as the rumor goes,

    decides to

    F-O-R-M-A-L-L-Y

    annex those Ukrainian towns

    he nearly wiped off the map  

    ... into Russia.

    You will be missed {sniff}
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Sep 20, 2022 7:40 am

    GSB wrote:Best Possible World


    Free will is having the chance to choose love.

    We have to realize this.

    Until we do, it will be hell on earth.
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    Post by GSB Tue Sep 20, 2022 12:04 pm

    By definition, super-Earths have many of the attributes of a super habitable planet. To date, astronomers have discovered two dozen super-Earth exoplanets that are, if not the best of all possible worlds, theoretically more habitable than Earth.

    https://theconversation.com/super-earths-are-bigger-more-common-and-more-habitable-than-earth-itself-and-astronomers-are-discovering-more-of-the-billions-they-think-are-out-there-190496


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    Post by U Tue Sep 20, 2022 3:37 pm

    99 wrote:
    dan wrote:The Ukraine?  

    Or maybe the Donbas?

    Maybe Steven S will protect us.  


    Hey Borscht-boy (Dan},

    you couldn't have

    picked out somewhere more

    off the beaten path!

    but you better get outta there real

    F-A-S-T

    before Putin

    ,as the rumor goes,

    decides to

    F-O-R-M-A-L-L-Y

    annex those Ukrainian towns

    he nearly wiped off the map  

    ... into Russia.

    You will be missed {sniff}

    Bahahahahaha that is awesome 99!

    I'll now picture Shatner reading our OMF posts including my own.

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Sep 20, 2022 8:39 pm

    We have in the world a clash of fundamentalists.

    Gary, Left 🦶 and the Orphic cultists, Fascists, Putin are lost in fundamentalism.

    The New Atheists are just the end result of consumerism.

    We cannot encounter the world without encountering the being of the world.

    It is inexplicable, but is intelligible.

    Dan?

    Maybe he plays with the fundamentalists.



    Fundamentalists can wake up too.

    When will they?

    Shrug.

    Choose love and follow your bliss and you will be well on your way.

    It seems to me, most on OMF are fundamentalists of one kind or another.

    How many have studied metaphysics and known themselves?

    How many have read Owen Barfield?

    I’d guess not many.

    How many have smashed their idols and ripped off their face?

    Maybe a few I’ve noticed over the years.

    The ones here are so sure of their idols.

    Still, we do rub off on each other whether we want to admit it or not.

    I’m prob closest to Dan philosophically.

    I may see him more than most can.

    I do respect him a lot.

    He has a fine mind.

    And that’s close to godliness.

    His friends?

    Eh, not my cup of tea.

    Too small.

    Too closed off.

    Still, here we are.
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    Post by U Tue Sep 20, 2022 9:13 pm

    Follow your bliss...

    Where have I heard that before?

    Hmm.

    I'm not so sure you're not a fundamentalist at least when it comes to your own philosophy.

    Btw I'm still a little confused as to your disagreement with Jorjani, it would seem to me that both of you would be aggressively Anti-Traditionalist.

    Both of you are major carriers of promethean FIRE 🔥!
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Sep 20, 2022 11:53 pm

    HA!

    Jorjani is another fundamentalist, as are the Traditionalists.

    Nope and nope, they are welcome to their myopia, just not for me.

    You don’t understand the term I guess.

    Can’t help you 🦎 🧠 do your own work maybe.

    No, I’m not a fundamentalist in the least.

    All philosophies are my philosophy.

    Being can’t be put into words.

    It’s an act of choosing love.

    The choice of love is implicit in every experience.

    I guess you could call my philosophy…LOVE.

    It includes everything, even dumb left 🦶 and 🐔 🐓 it doesn’t pick favorites, some would call it Universalism.

    Everyone wins, which is very upsetting to the fundamentalist.

    Nothing beats it, you think you have a contender, toss it in the ring.

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Sep 21, 2022 9:09 am

    Simpsons predicting end of the world 9/24…finally!
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    Post by U Sat Sep 24, 2022 12:55 am

    Happy 24th, y'all!

    GET READY!

    It's going to be a wonderful day!

    I'm so excited!

    Just remember...

    "Everyday we are Born Again"

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    Post by 99 Sat Sep 24, 2022 6:32 am

    I'll second on that! Thanks for the message U.

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    Post by GSB Sat Sep 24, 2022 6:45 am

    Nuclear War 'Already a Given' Says Russian TV: 'Everyone Will Be Destroyed'

    https://www.newsweek.com/russia-nuclear-weapons-strike-america-west-warning-nukes-everybody-dies-vladimir-putin-1745649



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    Post by GSB Sat Sep 24, 2022 6:52 am

    Theme for today: Rendition off planet by forces "not of this Earth" ;-)


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    Post by 99 Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:19 am

    GSB wrote:Nuclear War 'Already a Given' Says Russian TV: 'Everyone Will Be Destroyed

    Yea, they're going to use tactical nuke missiles.... this is soooooo surreal!

    Or maybe they'll go further than that... especially if they're saying they're going to nuke UK.

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    I've been making plans all morning for family members to show up next week at a gazebo at the zoo that's on a swan pond for a picnic. There's a big round picnic table in that gazebo.

    Just trying to make the most of it while we still have time.

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    Post by 99 Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:39 am

    GSB wrote:Theme for today: Rendition off planet by forces "not of this Earth" ;-)

    I would laugh but these days, with all that's happening... ya never know what's going to happen next.
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    Post by GSB Sun Sep 25, 2022 7:36 am

    David Wallace: The sky is blue, and other reasons physics needs the Everett interpretation -- Oxford Philosophy of Physics



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    Post by skaizlimit Sun Sep 25, 2022 12:43 pm

    While Dan's away, the cats will play, and Dan has been away awhile.

    Dan was off world, and he does not recall a word, but I understand he smells like a Terd.

    So while I am away, and not feeling gay, let there be a stay at the Cay.

    For the Princess has said, that before Dan is in bed, she will tell him when the world will turn red.
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    Post by 99 Sun Sep 25, 2022 2:02 pm

    Okaaaay. I've gleaned a little info from your post and I take it he's not europe now. Good that he escaped Ukraine. Or did he? I'm confused.

    Hope he's ok though.

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