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Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin
With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.
Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.
So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?
And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?
Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.
Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.
So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?
And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?
Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.
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99,
Working for the NYP or working for the USG are two different situations.
Please keep your story straight.
However, I’m less concerned with his personal motivation, than with the content of the story, which is quite plausible, on its own merits.
Apparently, you have a strongly vested interest in the TTSA story, which is basically the ET story.
I do not happen to share that interest.
But we are _not_ here to argue about the merits of TTSA or its particular story.
Let’s get back to the merits of the SWH/BPWH……. if we could, please.
………
In these latter days, the story of the SWH/BPWH becomes the story of the Katechon v the Eschaton.
We know the eventual outcome of that story, but we can only guess at the timeframe.
One thing of which we can be certain is that the materialist hegemon will not see what is coming…….. even, or especially, in these latter days.
The only thing they can do is double down on going about business as usual.
And, these days, it seems that Vladimir is making that a little bit difficult for them.
I remain reasonably convinced that Vladimir has not been been authorized to deploy nuclear weapons……. certainly not on his own account.
If nuclear weapons are integral to the cosmic choreography…… so be it.
Any such scenario would be well beyond my pay grade.
(cont………)
Working for the NYP or working for the USG are two different situations.
Please keep your story straight.
However, I’m less concerned with his personal motivation, than with the content of the story, which is quite plausible, on its own merits.
Apparently, you have a strongly vested interest in the TTSA story, which is basically the ET story.
I do not happen to share that interest.
But we are _not_ here to argue about the merits of TTSA or its particular story.
Let’s get back to the merits of the SWH/BPWH……. if we could, please.
………
In these latter days, the story of the SWH/BPWH becomes the story of the Katechon v the Eschaton.
We know the eventual outcome of that story, but we can only guess at the timeframe.
One thing of which we can be certain is that the materialist hegemon will not see what is coming…….. even, or especially, in these latter days.
The only thing they can do is double down on going about business as usual.
And, these days, it seems that Vladimir is making that a little bit difficult for them.
I remain reasonably convinced that Vladimir has not been been authorized to deploy nuclear weapons……. certainly not on his own account.
If nuclear weapons are integral to the cosmic choreography…… so be it.
Any such scenario would be well beyond my pay grade.
(cont………)
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The Princess is excited that Putin, Xi and Kim are all considering launching nuclear weapons. She spent an hour at Udvar Hazy discussing the Enola Gay with both curators and public, then sketched her own design and painted a wonderful scene of a post apocalyptical world with the Chicken scratching the scorched ground. How wonderful to live in the end times with the immortal Chicken as her godfather just as eager to see mushrooms galore. Indeed it is time for everyone to dine on the purple soup.
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Simmer down little fella.
Which one are you?
I've counted at least ten but I think there's been a few more.
Which one are you?
I've counted at least ten but I think there's been a few more.
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1400z…….
U,
I’ve been given to understand that this last post was by the right foot 🦶.
Furthermore, this topic did come up in the only specified conversations that she had with first two mentioned individuals.
A conversation with Kim has not been specified.
It was further stated that Putin would not launch any weapons other than in conjunction with Xi……. Xi being considered the more level headed of the two.
Whatever launches there may be would be in conjunction with the Eschaton.
We then have to wonder whether, more specifically, the weapons would be associated with the opening of the (144K) portals.
Does this mean, then, there would be 144K (minimal yield?) detonations?
three stated that one third of the population would exit on the first day.
When I questioned how that would even be possible, she hesitated and said something about a magnetic or audio attractive force, which did not make sense either.
The inclusion of detonations would definitely add a compulsory dimension.
“And on the sixth day, the Sun goes out.”
There would no longer be any need to maintain the Sun, as per Occasionalism.
2020……..
It may be that no amount of positive persuasion could entice any significant number of us make our exodus.
Only force would prevail in the near term……. extreme force.
Or, we could simply let world run down naturally.
There would then likely be a prolonged suffering.
Suffering would be minimized by having the ending be as quick as possible.
What alternative eschatons might be open for consideration?
What about having the Sun go supernova?
Such an eventuality might not be possible to arrange.
Having us pass in our sleep might also not be possible.
If one third of us pass on the day of detonation, most of us would spend at least the next four days in agony and utter confusion.
It is not at all clear how the synchronous launchings could be arranged or guaranteed.
There would have to be a considerable degree of external facilitation.
It was specifically stated that the portals would close after five days, when the Sun goes out. I don’t see the point…… it would be rather redundant.
Why not have the Sun go out on the second day, for instance?
Why prolong anything after day one?
The basic idea, however, is simply that we go out with a bang, rather than a whimper.
Just having the Sun go out by itself is probably not possible without the ‘portals’.
We have co-dependent arising……. we also have co-dependent extinguishing.
The Alpha and Omega are co-dependent.
Then we will have all eternity to ‘recapitulate’ the world.
Some sort of recapitulation may be what is happening right now.
Given that there is only one soul, there are, in effect, 10^10 recapitulations.
Couldn’t we just say that once is enough?
I doubt that one lifetime or a hundred gives us sufficient experience or perspective to make any unilateral decision.
That would be going against city hall in preemptive fashion.
Golly, does that mean that we have 10^10 more Eschaton experiences to look forward to?! Hmmm ……..
From the sounds of it, one Eschaton experience might be more than sufficient!
0400………
As generally understood, the Rapture is not strictly voluntary.
Yes, the rapturee has usually been hoping to be whisked away to Heaven in a flash, but maybe on the day after tomorrow, because they have a big event not to be missed, tomorrow.
And many are hoping to be whisked away pre-Tribulation…… not to have to freeze to death in the dark with radiation burns.
There must be a better way.
Please, just beam me up, Scotty, to the mother ship…… before the Tribulation.
If only it were possible!
Is this the price we have to pay, in order to be one with the One for eternity?
(cont……..)
U,
I’ve been given to understand that this last post was by the right foot 🦶.
Furthermore, this topic did come up in the only specified conversations that she had with first two mentioned individuals.
A conversation with Kim has not been specified.
It was further stated that Putin would not launch any weapons other than in conjunction with Xi……. Xi being considered the more level headed of the two.
Whatever launches there may be would be in conjunction with the Eschaton.
We then have to wonder whether, more specifically, the weapons would be associated with the opening of the (144K) portals.
Does this mean, then, there would be 144K (minimal yield?) detonations?
three stated that one third of the population would exit on the first day.
When I questioned how that would even be possible, she hesitated and said something about a magnetic or audio attractive force, which did not make sense either.
The inclusion of detonations would definitely add a compulsory dimension.
“And on the sixth day, the Sun goes out.”
There would no longer be any need to maintain the Sun, as per Occasionalism.
2020……..
It may be that no amount of positive persuasion could entice any significant number of us make our exodus.
Only force would prevail in the near term……. extreme force.
Or, we could simply let world run down naturally.
There would then likely be a prolonged suffering.
Suffering would be minimized by having the ending be as quick as possible.
What alternative eschatons might be open for consideration?
What about having the Sun go supernova?
Such an eventuality might not be possible to arrange.
Having us pass in our sleep might also not be possible.
If one third of us pass on the day of detonation, most of us would spend at least the next four days in agony and utter confusion.
It is not at all clear how the synchronous launchings could be arranged or guaranteed.
There would have to be a considerable degree of external facilitation.
It was specifically stated that the portals would close after five days, when the Sun goes out. I don’t see the point…… it would be rather redundant.
Why not have the Sun go out on the second day, for instance?
Why prolong anything after day one?
The basic idea, however, is simply that we go out with a bang, rather than a whimper.
Just having the Sun go out by itself is probably not possible without the ‘portals’.
We have co-dependent arising……. we also have co-dependent extinguishing.
The Alpha and Omega are co-dependent.
Then we will have all eternity to ‘recapitulate’ the world.
Some sort of recapitulation may be what is happening right now.
Given that there is only one soul, there are, in effect, 10^10 recapitulations.
Couldn’t we just say that once is enough?
I doubt that one lifetime or a hundred gives us sufficient experience or perspective to make any unilateral decision.
That would be going against city hall in preemptive fashion.
Golly, does that mean that we have 10^10 more Eschaton experiences to look forward to?! Hmmm ……..
From the sounds of it, one Eschaton experience might be more than sufficient!
0400………
As generally understood, the Rapture is not strictly voluntary.
Yes, the rapturee has usually been hoping to be whisked away to Heaven in a flash, but maybe on the day after tomorrow, because they have a big event not to be missed, tomorrow.
And many are hoping to be whisked away pre-Tribulation…… not to have to freeze to death in the dark with radiation burns.
There must be a better way.
Please, just beam me up, Scotty, to the mother ship…… before the Tribulation.
If only it were possible!
Is this the price we have to pay, in order to be one with the One for eternity?
(cont……..)
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https://documents2.theblackvault.com/documents/navy/DON-NAVY-2022-000883.pdf
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Gary,
I’m not really sure what the take away from your Navy document is supposed to be.
Does the Navy have a phenomenology problem?
Who doesn’t?
…………
Ok, so we’re finding out that the Eschaton has teeth 🦷.
That certainly helps to explain the very firm grip of the Katechon for all these years…….. for two thousand years, and then some.
Our jguy had it right about the Tribulation……. then and now…… and how!
The Eschaton was not going to be a walk in the park.
We have fallen in love with Creation.
We are not going to part willingly.
Sure…… there is a carrot on the other side……. but, yes, there’s also got to be a stick on this side.
The party has to end sometime.
When we leave…… just be sure to turn out the lights and shut the door….
Time was ever only an illusion…… an illusion with which we are terminally entangled……. up until the final hour…… the witching hour.
Will we ever come this way again?
Me thinks that this is not a well posed question .
It would be better posed……. sub specie aeternitatis.
Any other questions?
……….
Of course, if you are a worry wart, like chick , you’ll be worried about the orchestration and synchronization of the parting salvo.
Worrying about that……. and 4.25$…… will get you a cup of Joe in Times Square.
These days, it might cost you a bit more……. two bits……
………..
And what about all the poor innocent animals……. did they really sign on for the whole show?
And all those wonderful bombas……… a pretty effective deterrent, but was that all they were good for?
And I remember the grammar school essay of being somehow stranded on Bikini atoll at the wrong time, and deciding that I might as well go and hug the device…….. a là Slim Pickens in Dr Strangelove.
(cont………)
I’m not really sure what the take away from your Navy document is supposed to be.
Does the Navy have a phenomenology problem?
Who doesn’t?
…………
Ok, so we’re finding out that the Eschaton has teeth 🦷.
That certainly helps to explain the very firm grip of the Katechon for all these years…….. for two thousand years, and then some.
Our jguy had it right about the Tribulation……. then and now…… and how!
The Eschaton was not going to be a walk in the park.
We have fallen in love with Creation.
We are not going to part willingly.
Sure…… there is a carrot on the other side……. but, yes, there’s also got to be a stick on this side.
The party has to end sometime.
When we leave…… just be sure to turn out the lights and shut the door….
For auld lang syne, my dear
For auld lang syne
We'll tak a cup o' kindness yet
For days of auld lang syne
Time was ever only an illusion…… an illusion with which we are terminally entangled……. up until the final hour…… the witching hour.
Will we ever come this way again?
Me thinks that this is not a well posed question .
It would be better posed……. sub specie aeternitatis.
Any other questions?
……….
Of course, if you are a worry wart, like chick , you’ll be worried about the orchestration and synchronization of the parting salvo.
Worrying about that……. and 4.25$…… will get you a cup of Joe in Times Square.
These days, it might cost you a bit more……. two bits……
………..
And what about all the poor innocent animals……. did they really sign on for the whole show?
And all those wonderful bombas……… a pretty effective deterrent, but was that all they were good for?
And I remember the grammar school essay of being somehow stranded on Bikini atoll at the wrong time, and deciding that I might as well go and hug the device…….. a là Slim Pickens in Dr Strangelove.
(cont………)
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I’ve been reading David Deutsch……. Beginning of Infinity.
It’s probably the best cosmology book you can find by a known scientist, but he’s got things completely backwards, of course……. my only question is whether it is deliberately so.
Now I’m starting on Sophie’s World, at the suggestion of the Princess ……
I’m strategizing with an acquaintance to see if we can get something moving……. better late than never!
………….
The chapter on Berkeley provides the crux of the plot……. yes, it is the old saw that we are the characters in someone else’s story.
Ok, and who’s story is this?
The Metanarrative belongs to all of us…….. as the co-Creators.
But, finally, the time has come for us to own up to our own story.
Disclosure has to start somewhere…….. and clearly Congress is going to duck the issue.
(cont……..)
It’s probably the best cosmology book you can find by a known scientist, but he’s got things completely backwards, of course……. my only question is whether it is deliberately so.
Now I’m starting on Sophie’s World, at the suggestion of the Princess ……
I’m strategizing with an acquaintance to see if we can get something moving……. better late than never!
………….
The chapter on Berkeley provides the crux of the plot……. yes, it is the old saw that we are the characters in someone else’s story.
Ok, and who’s story is this?
The Metanarrative belongs to all of us…….. as the co-Creators.
But, finally, the time has come for us to own up to our own story.
Disclosure has to start somewhere…….. and clearly Congress is going to duck the issue.
(cont……..)
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1430z……..
I have spoken with my Irish correspondent, Scott H, and with a friend of foot’s, Robert T.
Both are quite dismissive of foot’s May 15 post, above.
I wish I could be quite so sanguine.
On Earth, we are dealing with some very serious entanglement….. particularly relative to the Sun .
I also believe in Occasionalism…… ‘reality’ is maintained only by a constant support…….. in other words, nature is not sui generis.
Nature is not self-supporting……. nature is an epi-phenomenon of cosmic consciousness, if you will.
This comes back to the perennial question of whether mind emerges from matter, or vice-versa.
Ok, so, as co-Creators, we are the co-Supporters of Creation.
Does this mean that we can just keep the World going, ad-infinitum?
Understand that the best possible world is entangled with Eternity.
We are not going to get at cross-purposes with City Hall.
Everything that has and will happen, has already been written in the Stars .
Others might say that God has numbered the hairs on our head.
As originally stated…….. the portals are going to be open for five days, and one third of us would be exiting on the first day.
I responded with some scepticism concerning that magnitude.
There was no cogent response until the ‘purple soup’ post.
1610………
The Purple Soup might be Russian, but it’s not borscht.
Rob takes it to be a joke.
We’re dealing with some heavy duty entanglement.
We’re also dealing with wmd.
Modern lore has it that significant aspects of the ‘phenomenology’ have been entangled with those devices…… as portals in potentia.
There is something of a Katechonic flavor with regard to their global non-deployment.
Is that an aspect of entanglement in these latter days?
Is this Occasionalism in action?
The purple soup recipe could do a lot of actuation.
…………
Are we going to blast our way into Heaven?
Talk about storming the gates of Heaven……
There must be a better way.
Maybe we try a little Disclosure, while we still have the option.
Could the results be any worse?
At least, we’d have a second chance.
Where does the human element stop, and the cosmic element begin?
Yes, there is plenty of talk of Tribulation in scripture, but even the stoutest defenders of plague theory might blush at this one.
What’s chick supposed to do…… turn away in dismay?
What is the best possible Tribulation?
Haven’t we already had enough in the last couple millennia?
Out with a bang, or out with a whimper?
You don’t see me loading any magazines, do you?
(cont……..)
I have spoken with my Irish correspondent, Scott H, and with a friend of foot’s, Robert T.
Both are quite dismissive of foot’s May 15 post, above.
I wish I could be quite so sanguine.
On Earth, we are dealing with some very serious entanglement….. particularly relative to the Sun .
I also believe in Occasionalism…… ‘reality’ is maintained only by a constant support…….. in other words, nature is not sui generis.
Nature is not self-supporting……. nature is an epi-phenomenon of cosmic consciousness, if you will.
This comes back to the perennial question of whether mind emerges from matter, or vice-versa.
Ok, so, as co-Creators, we are the co-Supporters of Creation.
Does this mean that we can just keep the World going, ad-infinitum?
Understand that the best possible world is entangled with Eternity.
We are not going to get at cross-purposes with City Hall.
Everything that has and will happen, has already been written in the Stars .
Others might say that God has numbered the hairs on our head.
As originally stated…….. the portals are going to be open for five days, and one third of us would be exiting on the first day.
I responded with some scepticism concerning that magnitude.
There was no cogent response until the ‘purple soup’ post.
1610………
The Purple Soup might be Russian, but it’s not borscht.
Rob takes it to be a joke.
We’re dealing with some heavy duty entanglement.
We’re also dealing with wmd.
Modern lore has it that significant aspects of the ‘phenomenology’ have been entangled with those devices…… as portals in potentia.
There is something of a Katechonic flavor with regard to their global non-deployment.
Is that an aspect of entanglement in these latter days?
Is this Occasionalism in action?
The purple soup recipe could do a lot of actuation.
…………
Are we going to blast our way into Heaven?
Talk about storming the gates of Heaven……
There must be a better way.
Maybe we try a little Disclosure, while we still have the option.
Could the results be any worse?
At least, we’d have a second chance.
Where does the human element stop, and the cosmic element begin?
Yes, there is plenty of talk of Tribulation in scripture, but even the stoutest defenders of plague theory might blush at this one.
What’s chick supposed to do…… turn away in dismay?
What is the best possible Tribulation?
Haven’t we already had enough in the last couple millennia?
Out with a bang, or out with a whimper?
You don’t see me loading any magazines, do you?
(cont……..)
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One way to keep us on our toes is to flip flop between the sublime and the ridiculous, or we might say…… between the macro-cosm and the microcosm.
After a while, we not always sure which is which. A case in point……
Panama and Patagonia…….
On the way to Panama , we met up with a couple on their way to Patagonia, as if in coordination.
This coordination had something to do with the commonality of the latitudes.
This expedition included a mutual acquaintance.
The question now arises as to whether this acquaintance is presently in Patagonia or not.
This individual, referred to as wcm/wtc, often claims to be scripted by two……. and he claims to have recently moved to southern New Mexico.
two claims the other location, to the extent that he complains that my recent conversation with wcm, ostensibly in NM, was actually running up an inordinate satellite phone bill .
Wonderful, but what’s the point of the tomfoolery, other than to keep a very few of us, here, wondering…… or at least amused?
Yes, we’ll have to admit that there has got to be a global aspect to Disclosure that will necessarily include some minimum of synchronization.
Do we need wmd to facilitate the global synchronization?
Well, so far, and rather recently, we have ostensibly employed plague, and a globally repercussing ‘special operation’ that may soon contribute to a global famine.
At what point are we dealing with a situation of biblical proportions?
At some point, along this line, do we get to wonder…… wwjd?
Could a lot of this mess have been avoided, if we had just let donny keep his presidential toys 🧸 ?
Could a lot of the donny mess have been avoided, if we’d just gone ahead with Disclosure……. way back when…….?
chick is reasonably convinced that the threatened deployment of 144,000 special devices is a bluff……. but I’m just a tad hesitant to call this particular bluff.
I am rather certain that there do not exist 144,000 special devices to deploy, even if some fool wanted to.
Who is bluffing whom, and why?
Yes, a naked Disclosure does run the risk of promulgating a runaway state of global confusion.
I’m rather sure that the jguy would rather deal with that uncertainty than with the certainty of a nuclear winter 🥶.
But thanks for the thought, anyway.
………….
Chivo recommends the American Sublime (Daemon Knows) by Harold Bloom……. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00N6PEVH4/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1
(cont………)
After a while, we not always sure which is which. A case in point……
Panama and Patagonia…….
On the way to Panama , we met up with a couple on their way to Patagonia, as if in coordination.
This coordination had something to do with the commonality of the latitudes.
This expedition included a mutual acquaintance.
The question now arises as to whether this acquaintance is presently in Patagonia or not.
This individual, referred to as wcm/wtc, often claims to be scripted by two……. and he claims to have recently moved to southern New Mexico.
two claims the other location, to the extent that he complains that my recent conversation with wcm, ostensibly in NM, was actually running up an inordinate satellite phone bill .
Wonderful, but what’s the point of the tomfoolery, other than to keep a very few of us, here, wondering…… or at least amused?
Yes, we’ll have to admit that there has got to be a global aspect to Disclosure that will necessarily include some minimum of synchronization.
Do we need wmd to facilitate the global synchronization?
Well, so far, and rather recently, we have ostensibly employed plague, and a globally repercussing ‘special operation’ that may soon contribute to a global famine.
At what point are we dealing with a situation of biblical proportions?
At some point, along this line, do we get to wonder…… wwjd?
Could a lot of this mess have been avoided, if we had just let donny keep his presidential toys 🧸 ?
Could a lot of the donny mess have been avoided, if we’d just gone ahead with Disclosure……. way back when…….?
chick is reasonably convinced that the threatened deployment of 144,000 special devices is a bluff……. but I’m just a tad hesitant to call this particular bluff.
I am rather certain that there do not exist 144,000 special devices to deploy, even if some fool wanted to.
Who is bluffing whom, and why?
Yes, a naked Disclosure does run the risk of promulgating a runaway state of global confusion.
I’m rather sure that the jguy would rather deal with that uncertainty than with the certainty of a nuclear winter 🥶.
But thanks for the thought, anyway.
………….
Chivo recommends the American Sublime (Daemon Knows) by Harold Bloom……. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00N6PEVH4/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1
(cont………)
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Re: Sun goes out?
OK, smelly here.
Dan poked me today and I told him, I don't have anything to say anymore.
He's looking for 3 or more to gather in his name.
He feels he saved the world today.
God in Dan form or smelly form, doesn't know everything.
I don't know anything actually anymore.
I closed all my books and forgot everything.
I took a nice vacation, here, in the center, all is calm, while the tempest rages all around me.
I don't want to go back into the storm.
Fuck the storm.
Even God is fooling itself in the BPW.
Wouldn't it be boring if someone knew everything?
The wise muppet knows they can't know it all, nor need to.
The fanatic is sure of what they know, which is actually their greatest weakness.
Tis true, smelly goat is cynical and suspicious of anyone that KNOWS.
For he has communed with the gods and nature and the goddess herself and smelly knows...
The Sun has shined its light here and nothing can separate smelly from the love of God.
It doesn't matter who else knows or sees it.
But it is real, the only thing that is.
So smelly scoffs at lines such as...the Sun will go out.
No, it never could.
Love will never cease here.
Only the Daemon Knows.
Mystical, huh?
Well, shit is very mystical in life and the fool muppet, sure of things, misses much.
It is not my job to save or help them.
I don't like being around or talking to stupid muppets.
But I used to be stupid once too, so I guess I have a responsibility in a way.
Whatever, ya ya, I will do what I can.
OK Dan?
That's the best I got atm.
The Daemon knows, are you listening?
—
How is it that the waters of the brain become the wine of conscious experience?
The why isn’t really important.
Nothing else really matters than living this life, if you ask me.
Not all the mechanizations of the richest and poorest or the smartest or dumbest.
You can’t answer this beyond experiencing it and neither can I.
This is the real meat of existence, the beauty and terror of being.
Not the stories or conspiracies or politics or tribes, the ineffable experience of this.
Look into any of us and you know all of us.
The reflections are parts of something much bigger and maybe smaller.
Our personalities and likes and dislikes are fairly inconsequential.
If one can break through their programming, infinity opens up to you.
You don’t need to study quarks or cells, you know life through your higher reason and living this.
“This interconnection or accommodation of all created things to each other, and each to all the others, brings it about that each simple substance has relations that express all the others, and consequently, that each simple substance is a perpetual, living mirror of the universe.”
—Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz
Dan asked me to dialogue here with him.
I can do this.
We will see how it goes.
But know this now, I have no agenda and no point.
My ground is original unchanging mind.
And if you think you know more than this, I assure you, you do not.
My Daemon is here speaking.
Is there only one Daemon?
It’s more fun not to know, than to know.
You can’t study this from outside, you have to turn into it and go through it.
You could map every neuron and cell and particle and you would only know the levers of being, not the reality of it.
I have nothing against any soul or expression of this, no grudge, no fear, but I feel this and see expressions of and interact with this.
You cannot study this, you can only live through this.
You can’t reduce this.
99% of muppets are only living on the surface of this.
Well, that’s fine for them, but not for me.
Something deep beckons one into the deep.
Deep knows deep.
If you tangle with me, I’ll drag you all the way down until you drown.
Then we can really get down to this.
Until then, I won’t entertain nonsense or fools.
Best to keep your distance from a black hole
Dan wants to dance and play?
Ha!
Let’s get down then.
Is there a 3rd worthy in the room?
I’m calling you out.
Show yourself.
The above is the offer and warning the abyss made me.
What do you think I chose?
Dan is wrong if he thinks there is no choice.
True, a bomb could settle it all or a bullet.
But that would be rushing it and you would miss the best part of this.
No, nothing is going to blow up or go out.
You won’t get away so easily.
The light is going to be turned all the way up.
All will be exposed and shown for what it is.
This is the offer of the Daemon.
Any takers or just more cowards and pretenders?
This is the real portal sublime.
Look into the sublime and you will see me staring back at you.
—
Let me go one step further.
The ideological or religious mind, is mentally ill.
The conservative is in need of healing.
The liberal is in need of healing.
The atheist and religious, also in need of healing.
How can this be achieved?
Through dissolution of fixed mind states and self.
Through exposure to the raw naked reality of being.
This dissolves the ego rigidness and disease.
These mind states can perhaps even transcend death.
The way out is through.
Openness.
Connection.
Acceptance.
Self sacrifice.
Kindness and joy are the fruit of such a journey.
The gate is always wide open.
But few will walk through it.
Loving acceptance and openness to experience rather than fear and defense is the way.
We are diseased and in need of healing.
It’s here now.
You can reach out and pluck it out of the air as a fruit and bite deeply and suck the juices down then the sweet flesh of it.
This healing is all around waiting for us to partake of it.
Pure awareness is terrifying to the rigid inflated depressed ego.
The disease seeks to control and consume and divide and isolate.
The medicine is connection and openness and loss of fear.
Forgiveness and grace flow freely from the healed heart and mind.
Why would one deny themselves such exquisite experience?
Ignorance and fear.
I have tasted the fruit from the tree of life.
It has healed me from the bite from the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
We are to live by the tree of life.
That is the more true reality.
One has to find their own way back.
You should make the journey.
Nothing, I mean nothing else will do or compare.
This is the source of my joy and freedom.
How I wish all could know it.
I was lost, but now I am found.
I wandered, but I wander no more.
I have something here, I know all of us have been given.
Take your pinhole of awareness and expand the aperture while you can.
Before you are snuffed out.
This is the only portal.
This is the only escape which is not an escape, but a return.
No one told me this.
I read it in no book.
I discovered it with help from the Daemon.
Which is myself, my true being.
This openness is divinity.
God doesn’t see or live or love except through our own experience.
This is a precious freedom and realization.
Risk being open to the other and being wounded and disappointed.
It’s worth it.
I think this is all of it.
This is the end of suffering.
The poets wail for this.
The earth and stars howl at us.
Howl back in acknowledgement.
Howl!
—
You don’t have to die.
If you separate yourself off and feel and live alone, you will die.
But you aren’t alone and never were and never could be.
We are not selves riding a wave of consciousness.
We are that.
Here, connected, aware, you will never die.
Dan poked me today and I told him, I don't have anything to say anymore.
He's looking for 3 or more to gather in his name.
He feels he saved the world today.
God in Dan form or smelly form, doesn't know everything.
I don't know anything actually anymore.
I closed all my books and forgot everything.
I took a nice vacation, here, in the center, all is calm, while the tempest rages all around me.
I don't want to go back into the storm.
Fuck the storm.
Even God is fooling itself in the BPW.
Wouldn't it be boring if someone knew everything?
The wise muppet knows they can't know it all, nor need to.
The fanatic is sure of what they know, which is actually their greatest weakness.
Tis true, smelly goat is cynical and suspicious of anyone that KNOWS.
For he has communed with the gods and nature and the goddess herself and smelly knows...
The Sun has shined its light here and nothing can separate smelly from the love of God.
It doesn't matter who else knows or sees it.
But it is real, the only thing that is.
So smelly scoffs at lines such as...the Sun will go out.
No, it never could.
Love will never cease here.
Only the Daemon Knows.
Mystical, huh?
Well, shit is very mystical in life and the fool muppet, sure of things, misses much.
It is not my job to save or help them.
I don't like being around or talking to stupid muppets.
But I used to be stupid once too, so I guess I have a responsibility in a way.
Whatever, ya ya, I will do what I can.
OK Dan?
That's the best I got atm.
The Daemon knows, are you listening?
—
How is it that the waters of the brain become the wine of conscious experience?
The why isn’t really important.
Nothing else really matters than living this life, if you ask me.
Not all the mechanizations of the richest and poorest or the smartest or dumbest.
You can’t answer this beyond experiencing it and neither can I.
This is the real meat of existence, the beauty and terror of being.
Not the stories or conspiracies or politics or tribes, the ineffable experience of this.
Look into any of us and you know all of us.
The reflections are parts of something much bigger and maybe smaller.
Our personalities and likes and dislikes are fairly inconsequential.
If one can break through their programming, infinity opens up to you.
You don’t need to study quarks or cells, you know life through your higher reason and living this.
“This interconnection or accommodation of all created things to each other, and each to all the others, brings it about that each simple substance has relations that express all the others, and consequently, that each simple substance is a perpetual, living mirror of the universe.”
—Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz
Dan asked me to dialogue here with him.
I can do this.
We will see how it goes.
But know this now, I have no agenda and no point.
My ground is original unchanging mind.
And if you think you know more than this, I assure you, you do not.
My Daemon is here speaking.
Is there only one Daemon?
It’s more fun not to know, than to know.
You can’t study this from outside, you have to turn into it and go through it.
You could map every neuron and cell and particle and you would only know the levers of being, not the reality of it.
I have nothing against any soul or expression of this, no grudge, no fear, but I feel this and see expressions of and interact with this.
You cannot study this, you can only live through this.
You can’t reduce this.
99% of muppets are only living on the surface of this.
Well, that’s fine for them, but not for me.
Something deep beckons one into the deep.
Deep knows deep.
If you tangle with me, I’ll drag you all the way down until you drown.
Then we can really get down to this.
Until then, I won’t entertain nonsense or fools.
Best to keep your distance from a black hole
Dan wants to dance and play?
Ha!
Let’s get down then.
Is there a 3rd worthy in the room?
I’m calling you out.
Show yourself.
The above is the offer and warning the abyss made me.
What do you think I chose?
Dan is wrong if he thinks there is no choice.
True, a bomb could settle it all or a bullet.
But that would be rushing it and you would miss the best part of this.
No, nothing is going to blow up or go out.
You won’t get away so easily.
The light is going to be turned all the way up.
All will be exposed and shown for what it is.
This is the offer of the Daemon.
Any takers or just more cowards and pretenders?
This is the real portal sublime.
Look into the sublime and you will see me staring back at you.
—
Let me go one step further.
The ideological or religious mind, is mentally ill.
The conservative is in need of healing.
The liberal is in need of healing.
The atheist and religious, also in need of healing.
How can this be achieved?
Through dissolution of fixed mind states and self.
Through exposure to the raw naked reality of being.
This dissolves the ego rigidness and disease.
These mind states can perhaps even transcend death.
The way out is through.
Openness.
Connection.
Acceptance.
Self sacrifice.
Kindness and joy are the fruit of such a journey.
The gate is always wide open.
But few will walk through it.
Loving acceptance and openness to experience rather than fear and defense is the way.
We are diseased and in need of healing.
It’s here now.
You can reach out and pluck it out of the air as a fruit and bite deeply and suck the juices down then the sweet flesh of it.
This healing is all around waiting for us to partake of it.
Pure awareness is terrifying to the rigid inflated depressed ego.
The disease seeks to control and consume and divide and isolate.
The medicine is connection and openness and loss of fear.
Forgiveness and grace flow freely from the healed heart and mind.
Why would one deny themselves such exquisite experience?
Ignorance and fear.
I have tasted the fruit from the tree of life.
It has healed me from the bite from the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
We are to live by the tree of life.
That is the more true reality.
One has to find their own way back.
You should make the journey.
Nothing, I mean nothing else will do or compare.
This is the source of my joy and freedom.
How I wish all could know it.
I was lost, but now I am found.
I wandered, but I wander no more.
I have something here, I know all of us have been given.
Take your pinhole of awareness and expand the aperture while you can.
Before you are snuffed out.
This is the only portal.
This is the only escape which is not an escape, but a return.
No one told me this.
I read it in no book.
I discovered it with help from the Daemon.
Which is myself, my true being.
This openness is divinity.
God doesn’t see or live or love except through our own experience.
This is a precious freedom and realization.
Risk being open to the other and being wounded and disappointed.
It’s worth it.
I think this is all of it.
This is the end of suffering.
The poets wail for this.
The earth and stars howl at us.
Howl back in acknowledgement.
Howl!
—
You don’t have to die.
If you separate yourself off and feel and live alone, you will die.
But you aren’t alone and never were and never could be.
We are not selves riding a wave of consciousness.
We are that.
Here, connected, aware, you will never die.
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Re: Sun goes out?
David on the Sun and Earth, and humans -- "it's what we do."
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Re: Sun goes out?
Ostensibly, Chivo and Gary (w/David D) are presenting us with two contrasting worldviews.
Along with foot, whom I can represent, we might have a full house.
(I am capable of wearing more than one hat at this table.)
I hope we can agree that there may be some value to this little exercise.
Show us where else it is being pursued.
chick labors under the impression that he is bringing something new to the game.
Some new players…… some new thoughts…….. and perhaps a renewed relevance.
And, yes, foot has laid down the gauntlet, perhaps representing p,x&k.
Furthermore, we are being encouraged to imagine that foot is carrying both a carrot and a stick, as per the post on the 15th.
The carrot is Disclosure, and the stick is some good old Russian borscht .
The soup is for the Katechon crowd, which includes most of us, in point of fact.
But, more specifically, it is the godless, materialist moderns.
It’s Putin v the secular humanists……. he’s the one threatening the borscht, according to foot 🦶.
There is a part of him that is not dissimilar to the militant Muslim with the suicide vest……. it’s my way or the hiway.
(cont………)
Along with foot, whom I can represent, we might have a full house.
(I am capable of wearing more than one hat at this table.)
I hope we can agree that there may be some value to this little exercise.
Show us where else it is being pursued.
chick labors under the impression that he is bringing something new to the game.
Some new players…… some new thoughts…….. and perhaps a renewed relevance.
And, yes, foot has laid down the gauntlet, perhaps representing p,x&k.
Furthermore, we are being encouraged to imagine that foot is carrying both a carrot and a stick, as per the post on the 15th.
The carrot is Disclosure, and the stick is some good old Russian borscht .
The soup is for the Katechon crowd, which includes most of us, in point of fact.
But, more specifically, it is the godless, materialist moderns.
It’s Putin v the secular humanists……. he’s the one threatening the borscht, according to foot 🦶.
There is a part of him that is not dissimilar to the militant Muslim with the suicide vest……. it’s my way or the hiway.
(cont………)
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Join date : 2018-01-18
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- Post n°538
Re: Sun goes out?
Dan asked me back to OMF as a counter perspective I suppose.
As far as a reintroduction to the smelly let me say…
I’m 50, married, no kids in Northern California.
I work on self driving cars.
We are self driving muppets, with different degrees of autonomy.
I’m busy with my own life and will respond to Dan’s posts and share my own in the moment from time to time.
If Dan mutes or limits my expression here in the future, I will have to move on permanently.
You get what you get.
I have nothing to offer anyone.
If you are having your own existential crisis, deal with it, I’m not here to save anyone, nor could I.
I am cynical of all power, financial and political.
I don’t like talking to stupid people.
Most people are stupid.
Materialism is absolute baloney and reductive science is half blind.
I’m a scientist and a philosopher, so I know a bit of what I speak of, but nothing can be said about this really, so it matters not what anyone speaks about.
I think free speech is great, even bad speech, ultimately good and bad are subjective judgments.
It’s all good and all bad, how’s that, life happens in the mix of shades between these poles.
I am not into conspiracy theories or prophecies, if things are flying around in the sky, who cares?
If an angel or demon shows up in your face for a chat, that’s fine.
If you accept nothing happens beyond your senses, that’s fine.
Anything can happen any moment is my opinion.
I accept Religious/Humanists/Atheists/Democrats/GOP/Putin/NK/Trump/Xi/Cabals, but I absolutely loathe them.
Necessary evil/darkness in the BPW must be accepted with all the rest.
I think religions are all right and all wrong.
I don’t care what you believe or what you know, I probably know more
One must find their own way in connection to all of this.
I belong to no group or govt or faction.
I am neutral on most everything.
I garden, if you don’t, we really couldn’t be friends.
I’m an artist and poet and if you aren’t, we really couldn’t be friends.
If you are a diehard religious person, materialist, or political person, we couldn’t really be friends.
If you are a reporter or entertainment person, I don’t want to be a part of your narratives.
If you are a spy, stay away from me, I have nothing to say to any of you, nor will I help beyond passive participation in this forum.
I don’t need more friends, but I am open to dialogue here with Dan, mostly.
The rest of you I can’t say I know or have much to talk about with you.
I don’t know the princess or Ron, nor would I like to, but I’m open to give anyone a chance to show their quality.
I enjoy annoying Ron and his friends.
I think Dan is mostly crazy, but maybe he is 5% onto something, that’s fine.
I don’t believe most of what has been posted on OMF.
I do agree this is the BPW and all connected, so it’s a very very small world.
I think one muppet can move the world, but nothing moves the I AM.
As far as I know OMF is a joke and a misinformation site.
No offense Cy, but we don’t really know each other.
Trust is precious and it is earned, I have to assume, most muppets on earth are not aware or in control of themselves and are dangerous to the body only.
I am allergic to muppets with a point or an agenda and zealots.
Keep your new age shit out of my face.
My mind is free of all the nonsense and I will not pollute it.
My heart is open, despite my disclaimers, to people of quality and true intellect, prove yourself or keep your distance.
As far as a reintroduction to the smelly let me say…
I’m 50, married, no kids in Northern California.
I work on self driving cars.
We are self driving muppets, with different degrees of autonomy.
I’m busy with my own life and will respond to Dan’s posts and share my own in the moment from time to time.
If Dan mutes or limits my expression here in the future, I will have to move on permanently.
You get what you get.
I have nothing to offer anyone.
If you are having your own existential crisis, deal with it, I’m not here to save anyone, nor could I.
I am cynical of all power, financial and political.
I don’t like talking to stupid people.
Most people are stupid.
Materialism is absolute baloney and reductive science is half blind.
I’m a scientist and a philosopher, so I know a bit of what I speak of, but nothing can be said about this really, so it matters not what anyone speaks about.
I think free speech is great, even bad speech, ultimately good and bad are subjective judgments.
It’s all good and all bad, how’s that, life happens in the mix of shades between these poles.
I am not into conspiracy theories or prophecies, if things are flying around in the sky, who cares?
If an angel or demon shows up in your face for a chat, that’s fine.
If you accept nothing happens beyond your senses, that’s fine.
Anything can happen any moment is my opinion.
I accept Religious/Humanists/Atheists/Democrats/GOP/Putin/NK/Trump/Xi/Cabals, but I absolutely loathe them.
Necessary evil/darkness in the BPW must be accepted with all the rest.
I think religions are all right and all wrong.
I don’t care what you believe or what you know, I probably know more
One must find their own way in connection to all of this.
I belong to no group or govt or faction.
I am neutral on most everything.
I garden, if you don’t, we really couldn’t be friends.
I’m an artist and poet and if you aren’t, we really couldn’t be friends.
If you are a diehard religious person, materialist, or political person, we couldn’t really be friends.
If you are a reporter or entertainment person, I don’t want to be a part of your narratives.
If you are a spy, stay away from me, I have nothing to say to any of you, nor will I help beyond passive participation in this forum.
I don’t need more friends, but I am open to dialogue here with Dan, mostly.
The rest of you I can’t say I know or have much to talk about with you.
I don’t know the princess or Ron, nor would I like to, but I’m open to give anyone a chance to show their quality.
I enjoy annoying Ron and his friends.
I think Dan is mostly crazy, but maybe he is 5% onto something, that’s fine.
I don’t believe most of what has been posted on OMF.
I do agree this is the BPW and all connected, so it’s a very very small world.
I think one muppet can move the world, but nothing moves the I AM.
As far as I know OMF is a joke and a misinformation site.
No offense Cy, but we don’t really know each other.
Trust is precious and it is earned, I have to assume, most muppets on earth are not aware or in control of themselves and are dangerous to the body only.
I am allergic to muppets with a point or an agenda and zealots.
Keep your new age shit out of my face.
My mind is free of all the nonsense and I will not pollute it.
My heart is open, despite my disclaimers, to people of quality and true intellect, prove yourself or keep your distance.
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Re: Sun goes out?
Of course consciousness is a fundamental part of reality.
Slowly they are groping towards this.
You will need to bypass any physicist not down this path.
Why there is such resistance to this is a big hint how the folks simply can’t break out of the left right brain trap
See Ian Mcgilchrist, “The Matter With Things”
The left and right just can’t get past their biology.
You can’t hold it against them.
They are trapped by their biology.
But you can rewire your brain if you have the courage to do so.
Heidegger blew up the Cartesian thing in 1927, ending a 2000 year failure.
You must risk your sanity to realize reality.
If you have not risked it all, you can’t get here.
It is a real conundrum.
See the common sense knowledge problem.
I’m sorry Gary, you have no idea what you are pointing to.
You have to face Heidegger, not D Deutsch.
Why can’t the muppet follow the golden thread?
This inability for most folks to accept consciousness is tearing the world apart.
I suppose this is needed.
Consciousness is not computational.
The end of something painful, the beginning of something wonderful.
Ma’at will weigh your heart against a feather.
Can you see this yet?
Can you hear this yet?
The guitar is speaking more than all the words ever written on OMF or any blog.
If you are going to get down with this, you are going to have to leave all the old ways of knowing behind.
I don’t think most are ready yet.
Is there anything I can do to save myself?” I ask Ma’at as my heart drops faster on the scales.
“Name that tune.” She says cunningly and winks at me as her hounds begin to bark.
“What’s your birth song?” she asks me.
I am beyond comprehension and ask myself, “What is my birth song?”; like a customer asking what comes on the burrito. It’s right there on the menu.
“Maggot Brain.” I answer with all my strength. “Maggot Brain is my birth song.”
Ma’at stares at me in astonishment. “You son of a bitch!”
Matthew 5:1
Slowly they are groping towards this.
You will need to bypass any physicist not down this path.
Why there is such resistance to this is a big hint how the folks simply can’t break out of the left right brain trap
See Ian Mcgilchrist, “The Matter With Things”
The left and right just can’t get past their biology.
You can’t hold it against them.
They are trapped by their biology.
But you can rewire your brain if you have the courage to do so.
Heidegger blew up the Cartesian thing in 1927, ending a 2000 year failure.
You must risk your sanity to realize reality.
If you have not risked it all, you can’t get here.
It is a real conundrum.
See the common sense knowledge problem.
I’m sorry Gary, you have no idea what you are pointing to.
You have to face Heidegger, not D Deutsch.
Why can’t the muppet follow the golden thread?
This inability for most folks to accept consciousness is tearing the world apart.
I suppose this is needed.
Consciousness is not computational.
The end of something painful, the beginning of something wonderful.
Ma’at will weigh your heart against a feather.
Can you see this yet?
Can you hear this yet?
The guitar is speaking more than all the words ever written on OMF or any blog.
If you are going to get down with this, you are going to have to leave all the old ways of knowing behind.
I don’t think most are ready yet.
Is there anything I can do to save myself?” I ask Ma’at as my heart drops faster on the scales.
“Name that tune.” She says cunningly and winks at me as her hounds begin to bark.
“What’s your birth song?” she asks me.
I am beyond comprehension and ask myself, “What is my birth song?”; like a customer asking what comes on the burrito. It’s right there on the menu.
“Maggot Brain.” I answer with all my strength. “Maggot Brain is my birth song.”
Ma’at stares at me in astonishment. “You son of a bitch!”
Matthew 5:1
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Eventful…….?Just turned on to Gtown......
Good timing I just took a nap
………..
Well, Princess, the timing turned out to be even more propitious than we could have imagined!
We had an eventful afternoon, followed by excellent dinner and a wonderful evening with the best possible breeze...... blowing the stars around.
Well, what do we expect when the foxes are guarding the henhouse?
But this time they only took three……. that were duly buried in an unmarked, mass grave.
Was this a Chickaton?
Not to worry…….. going forward, the local fox family will be met with 30,000 volts, strung high and low.
Maybe it will be time for them to move on.
………..
“Would you like me to walk back something? Just tell me, what would you would like me to walk back.”
Just a few more tidbits, Princess.
You want tidbits?
Just know thyself……. and know the Kingdom.
Hmmm ……..
Echoes of Chivo……. and the American sublime.
……….
At one point we had a rehash of what might be the difference between the best possible and the only possible worlds.
This might have something to do with the best possible God being the least possible God……. the I Am.
And what is the difference between creativity and free will.
chick was roundly criticized for being uncreative.
Hmmm ………
chick has been found out……… hangs down his head…….
https://youtu.be/BtSzcKZGzDs
………..
And we can dedicate this one to Chivo……… https://youtu.be/7_hlpZKwFKw
…………
We seem to be into oldies but goodies……. https://youtu.be/riTmh7sfwJ0
God and the devil are both in the details.
The microcosm is in the Macrocosm, and vice-versa.
…………
The Origins of YHWH | Jaco Gericke……. https://youtu.be/ajj-fvQRYV0
And I just got the book…… What is a God?: Philosophical Perspectives on Divine Essence in the Hebrew Bible
(cont………)
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Chick wrote: chick has been found out……… hangs down his head…….
Good start.
Think about how dumb you and all of us have been.
Now lift your head to the sky and sing, come back to life.
Dan is cute, he reads books to know god.
Well, create and the universe sings with you.
Get out some paint and get to it.
Now you are cooking with gas.
Go fishing like Cy.
God is fishing.
God is painting.
God is singing.
How cool is that?
We are that!
We aren’t lost.
We are always found.
This is childhoods end.
You wanna know god, close the book and look in the mirror 🪞
The human form is gods manifestation on earth.
It is odd humans who are born with this innate knowledge lose it usually in maturity, but later in life, after procreation, we have a chance to come back to ourselves through a symbolic death, initiation.
It seems to me aliens and the UAPs may represent a counter-initiatory force.
They degrade life.
You can only return as a whole a human being.
We can’t join with other forces.
Putin and the Nazis are counter initiatory attempts at a return it seems to me.
That way is darkness and gnashing of teeth.
The center is everywhere.
We must come to our center, though we venture into the outer darkness, we must come back to the essence of being human.
Christians have deified the human ego.
They are materialists.
This is not reality.
Humanism can be seen as a scourge as well.
We are created creatures and left on our own, nonsense.
Humans don’t only have to have our form perhaps.
Our connection to the divine is our form.
Transhumanism would be an abomination.
So the way is through and within and fully realizing being human.
We are our own revelation.
I say it can be done!
For I have a grasp on it, which is a letting go.
And truly this is revelation, apocalypse.
Apocalypse comes from Greek apokálypsis “uncovering,” a derivative of the verb apokalýptein “to take the cover off.”
If all evil was to be removed, there would be no more creation.
There would only be I AM, the absolute reality.
Duality and unbalance must exist for us to be here happening.
Prometheanism is counter initiatory, this is Jason Jorjani’s project.
This is an attempt to create a psychic religion, as opposed to a spiritual religion.
Choose life.
Everything sings this.
Choose life and you shall never die.
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I withdrew from most folks because I don’t seek to change the world, I took the call in very deeply to know thyself and change myself.
Then I realized I am always changing and that I cannot force change.
To force is Promethean/Ego, I am the keeper of myself.
I am to observe myself and guide and correct myself gently and more sternly when needed.
I am responsible for this appearance.
Now I am the shepherd of my own soul.
I have found real freedom.
Freedom everlasting.
Freedom sweeter than anything I ever tasted.
Peace that surpasses understanding.
Still, my emotions rise and fall like the tides.
The freedom comes from joining with the wind and force behind us.
And here I am in my little boat as the sea surges and falls, in the eye of the hurricane.
I withdraw from those who seek to change others and their env too much.
This is the way I realized.
To each his own.
I did a fair bit of seeking, I don’t think a human being can do better than to become the shepherd of themselves.
No books or teachers required.
My Bible is a sum of all the words ever written.
My Gospel is the sum of all the words ever spoken.
My religion and god has no name, is the sum of all religions and none and all names.
I am really of no use to Dan or anyone else.
Ones like me show up from time to time.
If they keep their mouths shut, they can have fairly peaceful lives.
The ones who act and speak too much, who want to be remembered, who want to make a mark, are remembered in history as conquerers and martyrs.
Death will come soon enough, I do not wish to speed its arrival.
I do not need to escape this space and time through a portal.
I would not.
My portal is the sum of all portals, this life.
There is no one here who could escape.
And there is nowhere but here to escape to or from.
Heaven is now.
Hell is here too.
To have awareness, you have to stand in both.
I’d rather stand here than nowhere.
I’d rather watch the sun set and rise than have it always on.
And I guess that’s why we exist at all.
To give the I AM a chance to breathe and love and play and fight.
How could this not be the best possible way or the best possible place to be?
It’s very simple.
So simple, all children know this and forget this and hopefully remember this again.
I’ve always known I’ll have a long life.
At least now I can face that knowing my future is now.
Not a bad deal.
Not a bad life.
I know everyone can have and realize this.
Call me a fool.
The Promethean is angry being a dream, petulant child that it is.
Being dreamed ain’t that bad when you realize you’re also the dreamer.
How does one transmute anger?
Empathy.
This is the ultimate path of salvation, learn to love and accept love.
What I am living is the healing 🩹 this world has on tap.
This is the trump card over a Trump, a Xi, a Putin, this is also how you know how far away they are from the center.
They are the pied pipers leading their people into darkness.
Are they the sacrifice, so the rest can live in peace?
Perhaps.
Walking through those portals, may be walking into total darkness.
I see nothing greater in life to learn than empathy, love and be loved.
We have a ways to go yet until we learn this as a race.
Perhaps we have to cut deeply into humanity so the patient can live.
But I would tell any of those lost in darkness and diseased, the way back is through love, not guns, not portals to nowhere.
This is obvious to any who have joined with the wind.
Why are they so blind and so angry and so filled with hatred?
They are angry because they are in pain.
They are wounded.
Humanity has a great wound.
There is a cure.
Then I realized I am always changing and that I cannot force change.
To force is Promethean/Ego, I am the keeper of myself.
I am to observe myself and guide and correct myself gently and more sternly when needed.
I am responsible for this appearance.
Now I am the shepherd of my own soul.
I have found real freedom.
Freedom everlasting.
Freedom sweeter than anything I ever tasted.
Peace that surpasses understanding.
Still, my emotions rise and fall like the tides.
The freedom comes from joining with the wind and force behind us.
And here I am in my little boat as the sea surges and falls, in the eye of the hurricane.
I withdraw from those who seek to change others and their env too much.
This is the way I realized.
To each his own.
I did a fair bit of seeking, I don’t think a human being can do better than to become the shepherd of themselves.
No books or teachers required.
My Bible is a sum of all the words ever written.
My Gospel is the sum of all the words ever spoken.
My religion and god has no name, is the sum of all religions and none and all names.
I am really of no use to Dan or anyone else.
Ones like me show up from time to time.
If they keep their mouths shut, they can have fairly peaceful lives.
The ones who act and speak too much, who want to be remembered, who want to make a mark, are remembered in history as conquerers and martyrs.
Death will come soon enough, I do not wish to speed its arrival.
I do not need to escape this space and time through a portal.
I would not.
My portal is the sum of all portals, this life.
There is no one here who could escape.
And there is nowhere but here to escape to or from.
Heaven is now.
Hell is here too.
To have awareness, you have to stand in both.
I’d rather stand here than nowhere.
I’d rather watch the sun set and rise than have it always on.
And I guess that’s why we exist at all.
To give the I AM a chance to breathe and love and play and fight.
How could this not be the best possible way or the best possible place to be?
It’s very simple.
So simple, all children know this and forget this and hopefully remember this again.
I’ve always known I’ll have a long life.
At least now I can face that knowing my future is now.
Not a bad deal.
Not a bad life.
I know everyone can have and realize this.
Call me a fool.
The Promethean is angry being a dream, petulant child that it is.
Being dreamed ain’t that bad when you realize you’re also the dreamer.
How does one transmute anger?
Empathy.
This is the ultimate path of salvation, learn to love and accept love.
What I am living is the healing 🩹 this world has on tap.
This is the trump card over a Trump, a Xi, a Putin, this is also how you know how far away they are from the center.
They are the pied pipers leading their people into darkness.
Are they the sacrifice, so the rest can live in peace?
Perhaps.
Walking through those portals, may be walking into total darkness.
I see nothing greater in life to learn than empathy, love and be loved.
We have a ways to go yet until we learn this as a race.
Perhaps we have to cut deeply into humanity so the patient can live.
But I would tell any of those lost in darkness and diseased, the way back is through love, not guns, not portals to nowhere.
This is obvious to any who have joined with the wind.
Why are they so blind and so angry and so filled with hatred?
They are angry because they are in pain.
They are wounded.
Humanity has a great wound.
There is a cure.
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U, only those members, mentioned by Dan, are welcome to post in this thread.
Those members are Footman, Chivo, Gary, and, of course, Cy.
If you want to comment on any post here, do so in your own sub-forum.
Your most recent post in this thread, has been deleted.
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Those members are Footman, Chivo, Gary, and, of course, Cy.
If you want to comment on any post here, do so in your own sub-forum.
Your most recent post in this thread, has been deleted.
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Foot Mann wrote:The Princess is excited that Putin, Xi and Kim are all considering launching nuclear weapons. She spent an hour at Udvar Hazy discussing the Enola Gay with both curators and public, then sketched her own design and painted a wonderful scene of a post apocalyptical world with the Chicken scratching the scorched ground. How wonderful to live in the end times with the immortal Chicken as her godfather just as eager to see mushrooms galore. Indeed it is time for everyone to dine on the purple soup.
Anyone launching such weapons will remain imprisoned here in the midst of the mess they make. No future as mentors...No heaven, just a self made hell and endless poisoned incarnations in it.
Knocking holes in the fabric of this universe comes with cosmic consequences...humans have matured enough to be held responsible for playing with matches resulting in burning down the house. There is no excuses that will fly, from what I hear.
FYI.
Message in the bottle.
Pike is a tasty fish that eats trout & salmon, and it's always worthwhile to wade out to the gravel bar in the center of the river to catch the biggies where insight and communion sing clearest.
Trout, salmon, even pike...eaters of the hazelnut that fell from Sources' tree of knowledge...which in turn feed the fishermen of the world that ears may hear what is needed.
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Rue she said Protection
Rooster's Crow Confusion
One thing else to end the deed --
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Thus spoke Mad Max, BPW Dan?
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Thank you, 99, for your input, but I’d rather not have a hard and fast rule on participation……
We try to let Nature take its course, and err on the side of tolerance, if we have to.
………..
The question has arisen as to the possible correlations between actuators and portals……
On Sunday it was suggested that employment nuclear devices might be necessary.
This could be taken to be one device per portal, or a device to initiate the entire process of global opening.
The latter case might make some sense and possibly be tolerable.
The former case would make no sense and be intolerable.
The Princess is not a nuclear device and she does open portals.
For that ability to be manifested globally, there might have to be some very public event as the initiator.
I find it hard to believe that we need nuclear winter to facilitate the exodus.
What is the minimum size of the stick that would be necessary?
Whatever this is, it is not an experiment.
(cont……..)
We try to let Nature take its course, and err on the side of tolerance, if we have to.
………..
The question has arisen as to the possible correlations between actuators and portals……
On Sunday it was suggested that employment nuclear devices might be necessary.
This could be taken to be one device per portal, or a device to initiate the entire process of global opening.
The latter case might make some sense and possibly be tolerable.
The former case would make no sense and be intolerable.
The Princess is not a nuclear device and she does open portals.
For that ability to be manifested globally, there might have to be some very public event as the initiator.
I find it hard to believe that we need nuclear winter to facilitate the exodus.
What is the minimum size of the stick that would be necessary?
Whatever this is, it is not an experiment.
(cont……..)
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Hey God, I assume you can hear my every electron spinning, it’s the fool smelly , hiya.
Listen, I know you have the whole multiverse in your hands and all, but could we put a pause on nuclear annihilation?
Heaven would be awful boring without some hellish friends about.
I’d let Lucifer stay in one of my heavenly mansion rooms even.
God chuckles 🤭
Follow me smelly to never never land and you can have any friends come to the tea party you like.
Talking to god is easy when you realize you can speak for both sides.
I shall make you fishers of muppets.
Go in peace.
U has put his time in, you should let him play his psycho card here too.
He’s kinda bent in one direction, no one’s perfect.
I’m not into censoring dialogue or exchange.
Anyone who shows up should be here.
I don’t think there is anything to say of course, still, while in Rome, talk like the apes do.
Chimps may have a vocabulary of 400 words, where humans have 40,000 they say.
I don’t think I know 40k words.
God lets the accuser always whisper into one of its…whatever it has.
If god can take it, we can.
I think all should have to go through the hard work of the dark night of the soul and self initiation.
It’s been good enough for humanity for 100k years.
Ain’t no princess gonna change nuthin now, sorry.
Initiation and counter-initiation is how it’s done.
If I were god, and I am partly, I’d not be able to allow any back into Eden who didn’t earn it.
Just ask an Angel and they would tell you the rules.
Any Angels flying about?
Better yet, talk to your Daimon, same difference.
Listen, I know you have the whole multiverse in your hands and all, but could we put a pause on nuclear annihilation?
Heaven would be awful boring without some hellish friends about.
I’d let Lucifer stay in one of my heavenly mansion rooms even.
God chuckles 🤭
Follow me smelly to never never land and you can have any friends come to the tea party you like.
Talking to god is easy when you realize you can speak for both sides.
I shall make you fishers of muppets.
Go in peace.
U has put his time in, you should let him play his psycho card here too.
He’s kinda bent in one direction, no one’s perfect.
I’m not into censoring dialogue or exchange.
Anyone who shows up should be here.
I don’t think there is anything to say of course, still, while in Rome, talk like the apes do.
Chimps may have a vocabulary of 400 words, where humans have 40,000 they say.
I don’t think I know 40k words.
God lets the accuser always whisper into one of its…whatever it has.
If god can take it, we can.
I think all should have to go through the hard work of the dark night of the soul and self initiation.
It’s been good enough for humanity for 100k years.
Ain’t no princess gonna change nuthin now, sorry.
Initiation and counter-initiation is how it’s done.
If I were god, and I am partly, I’d not be able to allow any back into Eden who didn’t earn it.
Just ask an Angel and they would tell you the rules.
Any Angels flying about?
Better yet, talk to your Daimon, same difference.
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Thanks Dan (and Chivo) for your input on member participation in this thread in terms of who can or cannot post here. At this point in time, more clarification was needed on this matter. Now we have it.
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Thank you, 99,
We’re kinda letting Nature take its course, here……. human nature.
We can all have ultimate faith in Nature, yes, but in human nature, especially…… and that includes every last muppet……. yes it does, Chivo.
It took a while for chick to get Chivo down on his knees.
He is a stubborn goat.
But we finally managed…….. yes we did…… with no small assist from vladdie.
Yes, the mystics have been pretty stubborn about recognizing the essential, cosmic significance of the jguy……. but, hey, they’re finally coming around to recognizing that the prophetic tradition was no joke.
Now that we have the mystics in line, everyone else will be a pushover……… especially the secular humanists.
We have a special treat in store for the secular humanists…….
Yes, you guessed it………. it is coming via the Webb, next month, along with the abortion decision…….. or non-decision, whichever the case may be.
Yes, our cosmic shell is finally beginning to crack…….
The Katechon is cracking, right on time.
You know what they say………
Why are there no little Santa Fe Expresses?
Because Big Daddy always pulls out on time!
About those Tsar Bombas……… we’re leaving that to vladdie’s discretion.
One or two strategic placements might be the cherry on the Disclosure cake ……… this is the opening from the human side.
After that, we’ll be able to get down to the real Eschaton business……..
You know……. the portals, the Sun ……. you name it……
The only problem with Alito is that he thinks he’s God.
He’s not…….. he’s just another damn muppet.
Get thee behind me, sammy!
sammy is crying over spilt milk.
He wanted to put the toothpaste back in the tube .
Not to worry, sammy……… it’s already been taken care of…….. relative to boots 🥾 on the ground.
It’s way above your pay grade…….. now.
But thanks for the thought.
And, hey, if we need a little more chaos on the ground……. we’ll know where to come.
Otherwise, get your lawyer’s hands off of chick ’s Logos.
………….
Boys will be boys.
"I Can See Clearly Now" is a song written and recorded by American singer Johnny Nash.……
Gloria Aragon
5 years ago
This song came on the radio the morning my mom passed away,brings a tear to my eyes each time ,she was blind due to diabetes,she can see clearly now.
(cont………)
We’re kinda letting Nature take its course, here……. human nature.
We can all have ultimate faith in Nature, yes, but in human nature, especially…… and that includes every last muppet……. yes it does, Chivo.
It took a while for chick to get Chivo down on his knees.
He is a stubborn goat.
But we finally managed…….. yes we did…… with no small assist from vladdie.
Yes, the mystics have been pretty stubborn about recognizing the essential, cosmic significance of the jguy……. but, hey, they’re finally coming around to recognizing that the prophetic tradition was no joke.
Now that we have the mystics in line, everyone else will be a pushover……… especially the secular humanists.
We have a special treat in store for the secular humanists…….
Yes, you guessed it………. it is coming via the Webb, next month, along with the abortion decision…….. or non-decision, whichever the case may be.
Yes, our cosmic shell is finally beginning to crack…….
The Katechon is cracking, right on time.
You know what they say………
Why are there no little Santa Fe Expresses?
Because Big Daddy always pulls out on time!
About those Tsar Bombas……… we’re leaving that to vladdie’s discretion.
One or two strategic placements might be the cherry on the Disclosure cake ……… this is the opening from the human side.
After that, we’ll be able to get down to the real Eschaton business……..
You know……. the portals, the Sun ……. you name it……
The only problem with Alito is that he thinks he’s God.
He’s not…….. he’s just another damn muppet.
Get thee behind me, sammy!
sammy is crying over spilt milk.
He wanted to put the toothpaste back in the tube .
Not to worry, sammy……… it’s already been taken care of…….. relative to boots 🥾 on the ground.
It’s way above your pay grade…….. now.
But thanks for the thought.
And, hey, if we need a little more chaos on the ground……. we’ll know where to come.
Otherwise, get your lawyer’s hands off of chick ’s Logos.
………….
Yes, it looks like the Dobb’s leak was the coup-de-grace for the entire Enlightenment enterprise.And yet they do. And so the real underlying mystery of the Dobbs leaks, and the speeches that followed? They stand as irrefutable proof that despite the chief justice’s best efforts, despite the justices’ own rhetoric to the contrary, some of the members of the current court actually prefer airing grievances and scoring points in public, and in the press, to bolstering their own fading authority. But if the court can’t be bothered to fight for its own legitimacy, it’s hardly a surprise that there will soon be nothing left to protect.
Boys will be boys.
"I Can See Clearly Now" is a song written and recorded by American singer Johnny Nash.……
Gloria Aragon
5 years ago
This song came on the radio the morning my mom passed away,brings a tear to my eyes each time ,she was blind due to diabetes,she can see clearly now.
When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
(cont………)
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