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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Jun 14, 2022 10:08 pm

    I thank you for this island and OMF.

    Truly.

    My words are not sentimental, they are the ultimate truth.

    The only way to make them real is to sacrifice myself.

    I worked a lot of shit out here on these boards and most may have no idea what I’ve done.

    But I deeply disagree that empathy is a luxury, it is a necessity, empathy if the foundation of human being.

    In fact I know, as I know god within myself, to find that empathy is the work of being human.

    Empathy is my hope and my gospel.

    I even can have empathy for Putin.

    I find what he has done despicable and evil.

    I find what Trump has done manipulating the simple minded despicable and evil.

    They unfortunately are of the antichrist.

    I am of God and lay humbled and prostrate before love.

    I feel their great pain.

    I hope for him and trump, they find love and meet it head on.

    I hope for Xi, he finds love for earth and life.

    I hope all of them can pierce their ego.

    On that day, love will break forth across the earth and this beautiful work will be finished.

    If not now, then when?

    If not in me, then in who?

    I say now, and I have done it.

    I have come to the end of this.

    It is so clear now.

    I can see where I fought this all my life.

    I fought this moment.

    I fought the moment I had to yield.

    But I have.

    And for me, it is finished.

    The cycle and circle is now broken.

    Give it time, you will all join me.

    You have no choice but to reduce down to love.

    If empathy is really the foundation of human being with one another, then the syllogism is simple. Being with one another is the foundation of the ontological bridge between selves; empathy is authentic being with one another; therefore, empathy is the foundation of the ontological bridge between selves.

    This is the path to being with God.

    From this very spot, Rumi wrote all his poems.

    From this very spot, Shams spoke of love.

    I wonder what I will do from here.


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    Post by GSB Wed Jun 15, 2022 7:03 am

    The Pentagon’s Secret UFO Program, the
    Hitchhiker Effect, and Models of Contagion


    https://www.scientificexploration.org/docs/edgescience/edgescience-50.pdf?fbclid=IwAR0MyfmRnNiJxe12rufZ5rKVtAPXJt084dMJw6hijNNkvRrUi_w8ZUlCGmE#page=19


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    Post by GSB Wed Jun 15, 2022 7:17 am

    China Says It May Have Detected Signals From Alien Civilizations

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-06-15/china-says-it-may-have-detected-signals-from-alien-civilizations


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    Post by 99 Wed Jun 15, 2022 7:46 am

    GSB wrote:China Says It May Have Detected Signals From Alien Civilizations

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-06-15/china-says-it-may-have-detected-signals-from-alien-civilizations

    I read about this early this morning. So glad you posted this info here. I'm wondering how this news is going to develop. Will China share more information about it? I guess we'll have to wait and see.
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    Post by 99 Wed Jun 15, 2022 7:50 am

    GSB wrote:The Pentagon’s Secret UFO Program, the
    Hitchhiker Effect, and Models of Contagion


    https://www.scientificexploration.org/docs/edgescience/edgescience-50.pdf?fbclid=IwAR0MyfmRnNiJxe12rufZ5rKVtAPXJt084dMJw6hijNNkvRrUi_w8ZUlCGmE#page=19

    Looks interesting. I'm looking it over now and will take time today to read it over more carefully. Thanks for posting it.
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    Post by 99 Wed Jun 15, 2022 7:55 am

    Chivo, what you have written in this last post of yours is eloquently straight from the heart. It’s not  intended to insult, belittle, or disparage those in this forum whose viewpoints are on the other end of the spectrum as it states those truths we all should hold most near and dear to the very core of our being and, in turn, project out to the world. Peace Out Mr. Chivo, just letting you know what you already know…you’re on the right path. Thanks for sharing.

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Jun 15, 2022 8:50 am

    Thanks 99.

    Kind words.

    The Path of Love

    “The path to the Truth is a labour of the heart, not of the head. Make your heart your primary guide! Not your mind. Meet, challenge and ultimately prevail over your nafs (self, psyche, soul) with your heart. Knowing your ego will lead you to the knowledge of God.”

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    Whereas Descartes said, I Think Therefore I am,
    Whitehead says, We feel others' feelings, Therefore We Are.

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    Post by dan Wed Jun 15, 2022 9:16 am

    I’ve been asked to delve a bit more into the timeline for Disclosure…….

    Most of us would agree that the timing would depend largely on the content.  

    Under the rubric of the BPWH, we are asking for the best possible timeline.  

    With the BPWH any timeline would be an integral aspect of the Metanarrative.  

    The Metanarrative would be equivalent to the sequencing of events within a given timeframe.

    In the context of the small world, the revelation thereof would very likely be an essential element in its eschatology.

    Another way to phrase the question…….. what might limit the stretch of time between the D and the E events?

    The main limiting factor would be the fragility of the global infrastructure.  

    Just within the past half century, our global interdependence has increased markedly.  

    The longer we delay the D event, the more difficult will it be to stretch out the E event.  

    The ‘special operation’ might be seen as a tactic to slow or reverse the increasing interdependence……. aiming to decrease our fragility.
    ……..


    We’ve been talking about the timing……. let’s talk more about the content………

    Entanglement may hold together a portal, but it is also what holds together the world.  

    In a personal world, entanglement is interpersonal.  

    What held it together……. back in the day?  

    The world is also held together by the Alpha/Omega or the Genos/Telos…….. ie. the Metanarrative is it’s own glue.  

    But, as we approach the Omega, our cosmic shell begins to thin out……. prior to our ‘hatching’ 🐣.  

    This is where a ‘detonator’ could serve as a psychic ‘actuator’..… on a global scale.  

    The idea would be to place the Big Frog 🐸 where its psychic impact would be maximized, while minimizing the physical impact…… off of a continental coast, for instance.  

    …….. this could be seen as a logical extension of the present ‘special operation’.  

    This is simply to preempt or minimize the potential for Armageddon.

    A caveat is that, if this is to be effective, it would needs be accompanied by a celestial phenomenon…….



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    Post by Cyrellys Wed Jun 15, 2022 11:09 am

    dan wrote:I’ve been asked to delve a bit more into the timeline for Disclosure…….

    Most of us would agree that the timing would depend largely on the content.  

    Under the rubric of the BPWH, we are asking for the best possible timeline.  

    With the BPWH any timeline would be an integral aspect of the Metanarrative.  

    The Metanarrative would be equivalent to the sequencing of events within a given timeframe.

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    …….. this could be seen as a logical extension of the present ‘special operation’.  

    This is simply to preempt or minimize the potential for Armageddon.  

    A caveat is that, if this is to be effective, it would needs be accompanied by a celestial phenomenon…….



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    Dan are you actually suggesting to them the use of a nuclear device?  Cy turning to glare at Dan.

     /he knows these things damage the fabric of our reality and destroy soul constructs beyond salvage/


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    Post by Cyrellys Wed Jun 15, 2022 11:13 am


    Disclosure of what anyone thinks is reality or future events is one thing.  Doing what the above sounds like is not acceptable.


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    Post by dan Wed Jun 15, 2022 12:23 pm

    Cy,

    This is simply how we might avoid Armageddon.

    We are just replacing the materialism with immaterialism……. using the psyche to leverage the Endtimes events.
    …………


    …….. a (celestial) caveat……..
    But in those days, after that tribulation:

    ‘The sun will be darkened,
    and the moon will not give its light;
    the stars will fall from the sky,
    and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.’

    The ‘default’ position of the Princess was that the portals would open for five days, and then the Sun 🌞 would go out.  

    chick 🐣 is merely making a counter offer…….. based upon the immaterialism of the BPWH.  

    One third of us would be accessing the 144,000 portals on the first day.  

    In a small world, this mundane exodus might easily trigger celestial phenomena.  

    That leaves us with the actuation of the portals……. from our side.  

    The further caveat is that the best possible God is the least possible God……. leaving most of the choreography of the Alpha and Omega up to us.  

    Now, if God can arrange for the Sun 🌞 to merely blink at the appropriate time, many would see that as an improvement.  

    But given our caveat on the best possible God, that option might not be available to us.  

    We are proposing a work around……. just in case……. working within the strictures or context of pratītyasamutpāda.  

    I must emphasize that the entire Metanarrative has already been written in the stars ✨……. we are merely going through the motions….. Monday morning quarterbacking, as it were.  

    Kant…….
    “Two things fill the mind with ever new and increasing admiration and awe, the more often and steadily we reflect upon them: the starry heavens above me and the moral law within me.”
    I’m merely suggesting that we will soon be discovering that we also have access to the Metanarrative.  

    The metaphysical pump does need priming.  

    As the Endtimes choreography unfolds, it will all seem rather familiar…… uncannily so.  

    Ultimately, all of this is by us, for us and about us.  

    If these preliminaries seem rather boring, we can just be thankful 🥲.

    When the time comes, many will be wishing that we could slow things down.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Jun 15, 2022 3:16 pm

    Regards Disclosure:

    1) Why has the U.S. Government suddenly done an about-face in 2021, from debunking UFOs to officially admitting that they are “real”?

    2) Since UFOs appear on radar, leave physical traces, and produce a wide spectrum of psychic and paranormal phenomena, exactly what are they?

    The possible answer to the first question is: “Because ‘disclosure’ is part of a long-term social engineering project beginning at least as early as the end of WWII.”

    The possible answer to the second is: “They are psycho-physical entities such as have been reported throughout human history, called the Jinn by the Muslims and Fairies by the Northern Europeans. The social engineers have opted to use this well-known phenomenon—whether or not they fully understand it—to shift the paradigm in the Western world from Democracy and Christianity to Technocracy and Transhumanism.

    Extensive evidence exists for both these theories, drawing upon history, individual and social psychology, traditional metaphysics and eschatology, the physical sciences, and the phenomenology of the paranormal, thus producing the most global and consistent explanation to date—if not the most easily accepted one—of the UFO phenomenon.

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    Post by dan Wed Jun 15, 2022 7:10 pm

    Chivo,  

    Why the about-face?  

    The government was just trying to maintain some modicum of control over the growing public acceptance of the phenomenon.  

    Are these public perceptions part of a social engineering project?

    This suggests that all paranormal phenomena are fake.  

    Were the Ayahuasca experiences you had also fake?  

    I doubt it.  

    It’s all part of the same spectrum.  

    As far as you second answer goes……..

    I’m sure that there is interaction between the phenomenon and various of our institutions.  Every one of us interacts with and shapes the phenomena in various ways.  

    As to who is using whom…….. I would be cautious about easy conclusions.  

    You’ll have to ask yourself whether these phenomena play an essential role in the Metanarrative, and, if so, to what end?

    Unless you wish to subscribe to independent satanic forces, we have to suppose that they serve some vital function in the cosmic drama.

    We are compelled to suppose that the phenomena are an aspect of the cosmic teleology.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Jun 15, 2022 10:19 pm

    I thought I asked 2 good questions.

    Just playing along.

    And no, Aya was not fake, it was a door to the psychic world and unconscious.

    As the UAPs may be.

    They may be using the phonomena for social engineering.

    A plausible theory not denying the psychic world.

    Muppets are devious.

    I sense the trickster spirit behind the phenomena.

    Very well could be satanic.

    But Satan is not evil per se.

    The satanic and shadow plays a big part in our metanarrative.

    I think the phenomena are part of the psychic world, one layer of this big cake and their presence is used by the TPTB to confuse and manipulate the public.

    I think Disclosure as it is known is a social engineering experiment using real phenomena.

    Look at all the grifters using it.

    If I was a CIA agent, Disclosure is easy money.

    Look at how the CIA sold cocaine in LA to raise money for wars in South America in the 80s.

    They are above the law and uncontrollable.

    Disclosure is too easy to take advantage of.

    We are dealing with very devious evil folks in the CIA and other agencies who justify their evil.

    I could be incorrect.

    But tell me I’m way off.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Jun 16, 2022 12:51 am

    Nothing can interfere with your self-sovereignty.

    But we appear to have to face the collective pushback.

    What good is free Will if we can’t us it as we want to?

    These are thoughts of the ego who will lose years fighting the flow.

    But the better question is…how can I learn and commit to what is best for everyone, rather than just for yourself.

    The inspired soul takes responsibility.

    Natural leaders channel the self authorizing power of the Sun.

    “Damn the torpedoes, full steam ahead!”

    At this moment the individual represents our collective fate.

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    Post by 99 Thu Jun 16, 2022 2:44 am

    They are coming out now to say that UFOs are real because they know that humanity needs to psychologically prepare themselves for a possible upcoming UFO related event that’s going to be interpreted, at least on some level, as hostile.

    If it were anything less than that, they never would have admitted to the public that the phenomenon is real in the first place.

    But recently, some kind of classified UFO related event must have happened that left them no choice but to do that.
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    Post by dan Thu Jun 16, 2022 6:41 am

    99,

    Those who have a need to know, know that the Eschaton is coming down the pike……. sooner than later.  

    The Sun is going out…… sooner than later.  

    Is the Eschaton hostile?  

    Yes, it is hostile to our very comfortable separation from the One….. from the I Am.  

    The Eschaton will breakdown all barriers…… especially of the egoic kind.  

    The global intelligence community provides the necessary staging areas in preparation for the Eschaton.  


    Chivo,

    Trust me…….. the Eschaton is going to interfere mightily with all notions of self sovereignty.

    The only portion of yourself that will remain intact, is that portion which is aligned with the I Am.  

    All dross is smelted away.  

    All shadows are melted.

    Satan is the shadow of the I Am.  

    Social experiment?

    Sub specie aeternitatis……. there are no experiments.

    The mere notion of an experiment is giving far too much credence to the illusion of time.



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    Post by 99 Thu Jun 16, 2022 7:04 am

    The gov't admitted, TO THE WORLD, that UFOs exist.

    It didn't announce this to just a select few Dan.

    As for the Sun being the trigger for planetary Armageddon, Class 3 civilizations can control space and time. They can also control the weather, cause earthquakes, cause massive flooding, blow volcanoes, direct meteor's to Washington DC, create blackholes and portals and so much more... including making the Sun blink.

    The focus should be on the class 3 civilization and not whatever method they plan to use to terminate our planet because that could change due to how many options they have at their disposal to do that.

    I rest my case. alien
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    Post by GSB Thu Jun 16, 2022 7:19 am

    Dan: "That leaves us with the actuation of the portals ... from our side ... The Eschaton is going to interfere mightily with all notions of self sovereignty. The only portion of yourself that will remain intact, is that portion which is aligned with the I Am. All dross is smelted away. All shadows are melted."

    "They took them. They took them all."

    Disclosure, BPW style?

    "Right here -- you -- are going to witness an absolute spectacle. So what happens next? Are you ready?"

    Does Dan seek the Oprah shot?

    "This dream you're chasing, where you end up at the top of the mountain, it's the one you never wake up from."



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    Post by 99 Thu Jun 16, 2022 7:33 am

    Think of it. A Class 3 civilization is only a 100,000 yrs ahead of us. Imagine how many of those types of civilizations there are out there. We should never have bombed Hiroshima as that's what instigated the start of the modern day UFO era.

    We're doomed... We should never have weaponized atomic energy. They don't want us here. This explains why they represent a hostile force that we can't even contend or reconcile with. Like I said, we're doomed.
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    Post by dan Thu Jun 16, 2022 7:54 am

    99,

    I know of no ufologists who give credence to the Eschaton.  

    Ufos are the least of anyone’s concerns who has been briefed on the Eschaton.  

    The Eschaton is designed just to put everything else into perspective.  
    ……….


    Poor, poor 99,

    Class 3 civilization…….?

    Oh, dear……. you really have drunk the Koolaid.  

    Let me see…… how do we spell ….. best possible world?  

    99 is still working under the aegis of the ETH.  

    You are the only one at OM who is still of that persuasion.  

    The rest of us have moved on to the IDH/UTH.  

    As long as you cling to the ETH, you won’t be able to understand what OMF is about.  

    And, right now, we’re working on the timeline for the Eschaton.  

    three opined that its advent would be prior to 2031.  

    chick 🐣 is suggesting that Eday would be <2025.  

    At the present time, our working hypothesis is that Eday would include the Big Frog 🐸…….. a clandestine 250# French 🇫🇷 device…… as contrasted with Big Ivan 🇷🇺…… coming in at a measly 50#.



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    Post by 99 Thu Jun 16, 2022 8:14 am

    Oh no.... you've got that wrong because class 3 civilizations can also operate interdimensionally. Like Jacques Vallee (meaning his present stand on this issue), I not only follow the Interdimensional Hypotheses, but also a version of the ETH one too.

    As for your BPWH... it's apparent that the universe has decided that the BPW for us, is to have us blasted off this planet and go elsewhere. The universe doesn't want us here anymore. I already gave the reason for why that is.


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    Post by dan Thu Jun 16, 2022 8:23 am

    99,

    The universe doesn’t want us here, anymore……?

    Well, that’s a rather negative way to put it.
    …………

    Ignoring smelly for the nonce……. what a relief 😅!!
    …………..


    99,

    We are the Universe.  

    We are the co-Creators.  

    The Earth was made by us, for us and about us.  

    We move on.  

    The Earth reverts to Jurassic Park…… with sunlamps!

    The Source beckons.  

    We head home 🏡……. mission accomplished.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Jun 16, 2022 8:23 am

    99 wrote:They are coming out now to say that UFOs are real because they know that humanity needs to psychologically prepare themselves for a possible upcoming UFO related event that’s going to be interpreted, at least on some level, as hostile.

    If it were anything less than that, they never would have admitted to the public that the phenomenon is real in the first place.

    But recently, some kind of classified UFO related event must have happened that left them no choice but to do that.

    That’s giving them way too much credit.

    They don’t know.

    So they use it to manipulate is my guess.

    I know, it is a cynical view.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Jun 16, 2022 8:27 am

    Even Dan’s Eschaton may just be part of the social engineering.

    Folks have been predicting the end of the world for 2000 years and hey, here we are.

    So forgive me for not believing in you Dan.

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