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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?
Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin
With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.
Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.
So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?
And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?
Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.
Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.
So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?
And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?
Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.
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U,
The shows not over ‘til the fat lady sings.
two would definitely be the mystery man in this combo package
……. certainly a mystery to chick 
.
….. the next guy…….?
In these environs, some folks would be tempted to keep their heads down! Just a friendly bit of advice.
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I’m just saying that the walls of reality/normality are a bit thinner here……. we do have to watch where we step.
The shows not over ‘til the fat lady sings.
two would definitely be the mystery man in this combo package
……. certainly a mystery to chick . ….. the next guy…….?
In these environs, some folks would be tempted to keep their heads down! Just a friendly bit of advice.
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I’m just saying that the walls of reality/normality are a bit thinner here……. we do have to watch where we step.
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Dan: My understanding is that there is some sort of historical symbiosis between the three of us.
Each of us is perfectly human, as fragments of the I Am, but in some combination there is a role to be initiated……… namely the advent of a gestalt switch……. from materialism to immaterialism.
This paradigm switch would certainly constitute a consciousness revolution.
We would all be cogs within the alleged best history.
Each of us is perfectly human, as fragments of the I Am, but in some combination there is a role to be initiated……… namely the advent of a gestalt switch……. from materialism to immaterialism.
This paradigm switch would certainly constitute a consciousness revolution.
We would all be cogs within the alleged best history.
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So, are we any closer or further from Disclosure?
My feeling is that Disclosure keeps being subsumed into the quicksand of the cultural shifts going on around it.
Disclosure is the ground zero of the shifts encompassing it…….. anticipating it.
If this trend continues, Disclosure will be the very last thing to be disclosed.
When that time comes, it will be a tremendous anticlimax……. it will already have been preempted many times over.
Is this the best possible non-Disclosure?
Who’s to say that it isn’t?
(cont…….)
My feeling is that Disclosure keeps being subsumed into the quicksand of the cultural shifts going on around it.
Disclosure is the ground zero of the shifts encompassing it…….. anticipating it.
If this trend continues, Disclosure will be the very last thing to be disclosed.
When that time comes, it will be a tremendous anticlimax……. it will already have been preempted many times over.
Is this the best possible non-Disclosure?
Who’s to say that it isn’t?
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99 wrote:dan wrote:Where there may be a significant difference between chick and the Princess entails whether there may not exist a strategy to open portals gradually.
This would mean that the entire Disclosure process be rolled out gradually.
At one point I had in mind that the Internet could be used to this effect.
Perhaps it still can, but I had seen precious little movement in that direction until last November’s precipitous statement……. seeming to foreclose gradualism.
Neither two nor three has been open to discussions of this sort.
Even in this arena, there are limits of decorum.
It could be that skai/wcm is being offered up, in this regard……. for the sake of maintaining deniability.
How far might Disclosure proceed when limited to third or fourth party testimony?
Someone from the inside would have to facilitate it.
two might or might not be in a position to do so.
Clearly, he has been performing that function with me, but any sense of progress has been minimal.
On problem may be that the phenomenological discontinuity between the two sides precludes normal discourse on the matter.
The necessary entanglements allegedly involved are also a hindrance to normal descriptions.
Undoubtedly, there are security issues that cannot be ignored, certainly not in the early stages.
There would be much jockeying for position amongst the interested parties.
Many have a finger in this pie 🥧.
The November pronouncement would have set in motion various processes, and we are still waiting on the responses.
The time horizon only continues to contract.
(cont……..)
Dan, could you please not post anything on the topic you are talking about in your above post here in this thread?
You are withholding vital information for members here to make heads or tails on what you're saying. To us, it's mumbo jumbo and nothing more.
Someone using the Foot Mann handle created a webpage.... that would the perfect location for you and all of the Foot Mann people for your current eschaton topic.
But for us regular folk... once again, your discussion on this topic is non-sensical because you are leaving out key information for us to understand what you are even saying.
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dan wrote:Chivo,
Ok, I thank you for being straightforward.
I am more than a bit concerned that, along with Cy, 99 shares veto power over my presence here.
I have spent thirteen years posting about the BPWH on OMF 1&2, and yesterday she raises this objection for the first time.
Dan you do not need to fear for your presence here. I will voice objection to telling any of the powers that be, they should use nukes (Big Frog). If such is used by anyone, if your suggestion can be grounds to investigate if they are part of your association. If so YOU could be held legally and spiritually/cosmically responsible for that application. At that point it will not be me who does the intervention. You will have dug your own hole and will eat the consequences...assuming you are not at ground zero of the application in the first place.
There is no vacuum. Everything is being recorded. Calling nukes a Frog doesn't hide what it is you just said. I kept a record of what you said so erasing the post(s) won't work either.
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Cy and 99,
If what I say, directly above, in post #880, is in the right ballpark, the entanglements hereabouts will only become more dense.
It is true that my primary audience is not directly present on OMF.
But whenever specific calls for clarification are made, I will abide by them.
I believe that the requested clarifications were made above…… even with the aid of unknown contributors.
Right foot claims to have discovered the identity of the latest interloper/hacker. The google account is being resecured accordingly.
I think it behooves us to be candid with one another…….
It is only in that spirit that I suggest workarounds for the prophesied Armageddon.
It was only in that spirit that I made any reference to the demonstration of a nuclear device.
I am not here as an advocate for any sort of evil.
Nonetheless, I have made several references to the Las Vegas incident.
The Las Vegas incident was simply a vivid reminder that everyone of us is entangled with everyone else.
In this sense, we are all born into sin.
There is no innocence in the world.
Each one of us comes into the world bearing every sin that has ever been committed.
The BPWH teaches the doctrine of Apocatastasis…….
Apocatastasis does not mean universal salvation……. except when it does!!
Here are my two favorite words…… Apocatastasis and Pratītyasamutpāda…….. and they mean approximately the same thing….. when viewed from a cosmic perspective.
Armageddon is generally seen as an aspect of Apocatastasis……. a device for universal cleansing.
In the BPWH, the only sin is ignorance……. felix culpa!
Without our separation from God….. from Truth….. there would have been no Creation.
Now we look through a glass darkly…….
Nature is just the veil of God…… an enchanted
veil!
(cont…….)
If what I say, directly above, in post #880, is in the right ballpark, the entanglements hereabouts will only become more dense.
It is true that my primary audience is not directly present on OMF.
But whenever specific calls for clarification are made, I will abide by them.
I believe that the requested clarifications were made above…… even with the aid of unknown contributors.
Right foot claims to have discovered the identity of the latest interloper/hacker. The google account is being resecured accordingly.
I think it behooves us to be candid with one another…….
It is only in that spirit that I suggest workarounds for the prophesied Armageddon.
It was only in that spirit that I made any reference to the demonstration of a nuclear device.
I am not here as an advocate for any sort of evil.
Nonetheless, I have made several references to the Las Vegas incident.
The Las Vegas incident was simply a vivid reminder that everyone of us is entangled with everyone else.
In this sense, we are all born into sin.
There is no innocence in the world.
Each one of us comes into the world bearing every sin that has ever been committed.
The BPWH teaches the doctrine of Apocatastasis…….
Have you got that, sports fans?…. restitution. Acts 3:21 speaks of apocatastasis of all things, and although this passage of the Bible is usually not understood to teach universal salvation, the word apocatastasis is typically used to refer to the belief that everyone – including the damned in hell and the devil – will ultimately be saved. In this sense, it is a form of Christian universalism.
Apocatastasis does not mean universal salvation……. except when it does!!
Here are my two favorite words…… Apocatastasis and Pratītyasamutpāda…….. and they mean approximately the same thing….. when viewed from a cosmic perspective.
Armageddon is generally seen as an aspect of Apocatastasis……. a device for universal cleansing.
In the BPWH, the only sin is ignorance……. felix culpa!
Without our separation from God….. from Truth….. there would have been no Creation.
Now we look through a glass darkly…….
Nature is just the veil of God…… an enchanted
veil! (cont…….)
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And I also do not just write to those here participating on OMF.
I write to and from the whole corpus of humanity.
How about instead of dropping bullets and bombs on each other, we buy each other a coke or sumthin?
Chivo is a counter disclosure programmer.
I have all the leet codes.
I do not promote, desire or support disclosure.
I think talk of disclosure and all the attention spent on it are distractions from knowing thyself, the only real game in town.
One could argue a material disclosure of immateriality could certainly be a step in knowing thyself.
Dan doesn’t understand the concept of knowing thyself.
In this way folks like U are blind to what is happening here.
Being a blind beggar is actually quite a high position.
Here is to all the blind beggars!
I write to and from the whole corpus of humanity.
How about instead of dropping bullets and bombs on each other, we buy each other a coke or sumthin?
Chivo is a counter disclosure programmer.
I have all the leet codes.
I do not promote, desire or support disclosure.
I think talk of disclosure and all the attention spent on it are distractions from knowing thyself, the only real game in town.
One could argue a material disclosure of immateriality could certainly be a step in knowing thyself.
Dan doesn’t understand the concept of knowing thyself.
In this way folks like U are blind to what is happening here.
Being a blind beggar is actually quite a high position.
Here is to all the blind beggars!
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Chivo,
I agree completely.
I only hasten to point out the Gnostic dictum…….. as within, so without…… as above, so below.
Disclosure has ever only been that cosmic Self-revelation.
Creation is simply God’s psychotherapy.
Creation = (self) Disclosure = Creation.
We are just God’s omniscience….. omnipresence.
We have met the Others……. and they are Us…… just a restatement of personalism…….
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I agree completely.
I only hasten to point out the Gnostic dictum…….. as within, so without…… as above, so below.
Disclosure has ever only been that cosmic Self-revelation.
Creation is simply God’s psychotherapy.
Creation = (self) Disclosure = Creation.
We are just God’s omniscience….. omnipresence.
We have met the Others……. and they are Us…… just a restatement of personalism…….
Hello darkness, my old friend
I've come to talk with you again…..
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Dan wrote:Creation is simply God’s psychotherapy.
I have thought this myself.
It knows itself through us.
Not too bad being the
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In October 1986, President Reagan met with President Gorbachev in Iceland to discuss international cooperation. Others were present along with three who stole the show with a demonstration of why nuclear weapons and delivery systems needed to be controlled.
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In this way folks like U are blind to what is happening here.
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Earlier yesterday, three was asking about Iceland 
…… specifically about viewing the Aurora from there.
I was dubious due to the frequently inclement weather.
Now we have the Reykjavik summit of 1986.
Our latest left foot, lefty, is just playing right through.
If lefty wishes to give chick an inch, he’ll be glad to take a mile.
I’ll be glad to place two or one of his colleagues in Reykjavik in ‘86.
SDI was a major aspect of that summit meeting, and we’re already familiar with two’s claims about his role in SDI with Reagan.
This claim was made much prior to the recent claim about the meeting in ~1979.
SDI was a cover for something a bit more personal…….. three.
chick will just play right on through…… too!
three might or might not have been present, personally, but they say that the Earth’s crust is especially thin thereabouts, and so was the cosmic shell, as implied by lefty.
We now have a better idea of where vladdie is coming from.
vladdie is clearly an inheritor of the Reykjavik shell
game.
And how is this game played?
One bit of speculation is that there are guard rails on the playpen.
Those guard rails were being demonstrated.
The problem of and the solution to the nuclear
genie 🧞 was on hand that day. The emphasis was on the genie.
Does this get us an inch closer to Disclosure?
two has ‘observed’ at least one of Kim’s underground tests.
……….
It required a phone call to make me aware of my misreading of lefty’s post.
I had read three as a cardinal rather than an ordinal…… or maybe it’s vice versa……. so even or especially chick gets confused by his own stupid codes.
So, yes the plot continues to thicken.
When Mikhail visited California, he met with Jack S and Joe F.
Mikhail was an honorary member of that early version of TTSA.
TTSA is a significant decoy operation.
Now that the southern outpost has been closed, three is looking for another, presumably more northern, post.
Does the geography game have a logical ending?
Reykjavik was an early portal demonstration.
How long can the shell/katechon game continue?
Who wants to be the party pooper?
There was something about putting the genie back in the bottle.
And I remember an early sci-fi story about the magical vacuum cleaner……..
It just made dirt disappear…… like magic…… until one day, the dirt all came home…… another form of karma, we might suppose.
What does this say about the forgiveness of sin?
John S is not going (back?) to Iceland.
vladdie has donned the suicide vest.
Taiwan
is Xi’s suicide vest.
donny is also wearing one.
He likes to practice pushing the buttons.
Is NATO really that bad?
Is the US really the great Satan?
Where is our manifest destiny?
Is it in being woke?
Woke to what, exactly?
If this is about being woke, we’re gonna have to be woke to the Eschaton.
I think the Eschaton gets tired of being gamed.
Are we looking for our destiny in all the wrong
places?
What is the cosmic trigger?
When does Atlas shrug?
…………
Suppose that Putin, Xi and Trump got everything they wanted.
Where would that put them?
Where would it put us?
(cont…….)
…… specifically about viewing the Aurora from there. I was dubious due to the frequently inclement weather.
Now we have the Reykjavik summit of 1986.
Our latest left foot, lefty, is just playing right through.
If lefty wishes to give chick
an inch, he’ll be glad to take a mile. I’ll be glad to place two or one of his colleagues in Reykjavik in ‘86.
SDI was a major aspect of that summit meeting, and we’re already familiar with two’s claims about his role in SDI with Reagan.
This claim was made much prior to the recent claim about the meeting in ~1979.
SDI was a cover for something a bit more personal…….. three.
chick will just play right on through…… too!
three might or might not have been present, personally, but they say that the Earth’s crust is especially thin thereabouts, and so was the cosmic shell, as implied by lefty.
We now have a better idea of where vladdie is coming from.
vladdie is clearly an inheritor of the Reykjavik shell
game. And how is this game played?
One bit of speculation is that there are guard rails on the playpen.
Those guard rails were being demonstrated.
The problem of and the solution to the nuclear
genie 🧞 was on hand that day. The emphasis was on the genie. Does this get us an inch closer to Disclosure?
two has ‘observed’ at least one of Kim’s underground tests.
……….
It required a phone call to make me aware of my misreading of lefty’s post.
I had read three as a cardinal rather than an ordinal…… or maybe it’s vice versa……. so even or especially chick gets confused by his own stupid codes.
So, yes the plot continues to thicken.
When Mikhail visited California, he met with Jack S and Joe F.
Mikhail was an honorary member of that early version of TTSA.
TTSA is a significant decoy operation.
Now that the southern outpost has been closed, three is looking for another, presumably more northern, post.
Does the geography game have a logical ending?
Reykjavik was an early portal demonstration.
How long can the shell/katechon game continue?
Who wants to be the party pooper?
There was something about putting the genie back in the bottle.
And I remember an early sci-fi story about the magical vacuum cleaner……..
It just made dirt disappear…… like magic…… until one day, the dirt all came home…… another form of karma, we might suppose.
What does this say about the forgiveness of sin?
John S is not going (back?) to Iceland
. vladdie has donned the suicide vest.
Taiwan
is Xi’s suicide vest. donny is also wearing one.
He likes to practice pushing the buttons.
Is NATO really that bad?
Is the US really the great Satan?
Where is our manifest destiny?
Is it in being woke?
Woke to what, exactly?
If this is about being woke, we’re gonna have to be woke to the Eschaton.
I think the Eschaton gets tired of being gamed.
Are we looking for our destiny in all the wrong
places? What is the cosmic trigger?
When does Atlas shrug?
…………
Suppose that Putin, Xi and Trump got everything they wanted.
Where would that put them?
Where would it put us?
(cont…….)
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What kills a muppet inside is feeling alone.
I don’t care if you are the most badass muppet on earth, you don’t want to be alone.
What are we waking to?
The virtuality of life.
The connectedness that binds everything.
Our place in the necklace/matrix of being.
It is mind blowing 🤯
I don’t care if you are the most badass muppet on earth, you don’t want to be alone.
What are we waking to?
The virtuality of life.
The connectedness that binds everything.
Our place in the necklace/matrix of being.
It is mind blowing 🤯
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Yes, I suppose p,x&t may all be rather lonely.
It’s a lonely job being a dictator, but maybe somebody has to do it.
Democracy is a luxury that not many countries can afford.
……….
Maybe we no longer can……. or we’re no longer willing to pay the rising cost of democracy.
Dictators are willing to pay virtually any price to stay in power or to grab the power.
Portal power must not be all that attractive.
One just keeps working in one’s garden.
Being here is the only thing that matters.
………..
The takeaway from today is that since the Reykjavik ‘86 summit, no word has leaked about the alleged demonstration.
No word has leaked about anything to do with three.
Is there blame to be had?
Is the coverup of these instances blameworthy?
But wait, who says there has been a coverup?
Aren’t I the proof that there has been no coverup?
The Truth has always been right out in the open.
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It is further stated that three was listened to because she was considered to be a neutral party between the Superpowers……. she being all of nine or ten years of age…… watch out Greta.
two was generally assigned to Teller, around his public appearances.
Edward was always quick to advise Presidents to deploy the Bomb…… two was more moderate……. thinking about the planet. He was more in favor of more targeted deployment, such as with biologicals.
………..
If there is reason to assign blame for a coverup, then we need look no further than God.
God left no fingerprints on Creation.
It looks perfectly natural.
Millions of scientists toil away…… in the lab…… in the field.
If they encounter anything out of place, they only have to double down on the science to come up with a rational explanation.
(cont……..)
It’s a lonely job being a dictator, but maybe somebody has to do it.
Democracy is a luxury that not many countries can afford.
……….
Maybe we no longer can……. or we’re no longer willing to pay the rising cost of democracy.
Dictators are willing to pay virtually any price to stay in power or to grab the power.
Portal power must not be all that attractive.
One just keeps working in one’s garden.
Being here is the only thing that matters.
………..
The takeaway from today is that since the Reykjavik ‘86 summit, no word has leaked about the alleged demonstration.
No word has leaked about anything to do with three.
Is there blame to be had?
Is the coverup of these instances blameworthy?
But wait, who says there has been a coverup?
Aren’t I the proof that there has been no coverup?
The Truth has always been right out in the open.
……..
It is further stated that three was listened to because she was considered to be a neutral party between the Superpowers……. she being all of nine or ten years of age…… watch out Greta.
two was generally assigned to Teller, around his public appearances.
Edward was always quick to advise Presidents to deploy the Bomb…… two was more moderate……. thinking about the planet. He was more in favor of more targeted deployment, such as with biologicals.
………..
If there is reason to assign blame for a coverup, then we need look no further than God.
God left no fingerprints on Creation.
It looks perfectly natural.
Millions of scientists toil away…… in the lab…… in the field.
If they encounter anything out of place, they only have to double down on the science to come up with a rational explanation.
(cont……..)
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Dan.
I'm glad you brought that up I've been meaning to ask you something.
When researching the Aviary, I came across the name Jack Verona/Vorona. The spelling varies at multiple sources. I am unaware of the correct version.
He was known to be the "Raven" in said Aviary and was described as a "kingpin" in the world of UFO secrecy.
Another source I found claimed that Edward Teller was actually the Raven and perhaps Jack Verona was an alias or a different individual entirely.
The story goes that RAVEN "Jack Verona?" And HARRIER "Dale Graff" conspired to shut the young and fresh faced PELICAN, our very own Right Foot out of the remote viewing program in fear that he would shut it down.
It's truly inspirational to someone like me that a man his age at such a time in history would have that much authority over these oldheads that they went out of their way to make sure they weren't in his crosshairs.
Still, that said, I suppose that's a story for another day.
Anyway would you be willing to confirm that Edward Teller is the RAVEN if true?
Or if not, can you tell me and our captive audience about Mr. Jackie V?
Speaking for myself that's been a captivating mystery to me since I've joined the OMF.
I'm glad you brought that up I've been meaning to ask you something.
When researching the Aviary, I came across the name Jack Verona/Vorona. The spelling varies at multiple sources. I am unaware of the correct version.
He was known to be the "Raven" in said Aviary and was described as a "kingpin" in the world of UFO secrecy.
Another source I found claimed that Edward Teller was actually the Raven and perhaps Jack Verona was an alias or a different individual entirely.
The story goes that RAVEN "Jack Verona?" And HARRIER "Dale Graff" conspired to shut the young and fresh faced PELICAN, our very own Right Foot out of the remote viewing program in fear that he would shut it down.
It's truly inspirational to someone like me that a man his age at such a time in history would have that much authority over these oldheads that they went out of their way to make sure they weren't in his crosshairs.
Still, that said, I suppose that's a story for another day.
Anyway would you be willing to confirm that Edward Teller is the RAVEN if true?
Or if not, can you tell me and our captive audience about Mr. Jackie V?
Speaking for myself that's been a captivating mystery to me since I've joined the OMF.
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U,
Yes, I recall hearing that there was a Jack Verona who was the Raven, but that was it.
There were no details that I can recall.
Those names have not come up in over a decade.
The new information we have about two and Teller might point to his being the Raven, however. He likely would have had a bird name.
Dale Graff is another matter.
I have met Dale. I have a few more personal details, but nothing of too much significance.
I’ll try to remember to fill you in.
I will be traveling to Maine in the next couple of days, however.
Yes, I recall hearing that there was a Jack Verona who was the Raven, but that was it.
There were no details that I can recall.
Those names have not come up in over a decade.
The new information we have about two and Teller might point to his being the Raven, however. He likely would have had a bird name.
Dale Graff is another matter.
I have met Dale. I have a few more personal details, but nothing of too much significance.
I’ll try to remember to fill you in.
I will be traveling to Maine in the next couple of days, however.
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Surely there are ones in the shadows who no one knows.
To lose your name in today’s world is quite a trick.
Those are the ones who no ones knows but why.
I wonder what why would say to who.
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Dan,
Any information you have to share on those topics would be extremely fascinating to me and I look forward to hearing your take on them.
Enjoy your Maine trip and the lobster!
Any information you have to share on those topics would be extremely fascinating to me and I look forward to hearing your take on them.
Enjoy your Maine trip and the lobster!
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https://www.docdroid.net/ueYrure/luis-elizondo-ig-complaint-redacted-pdf
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Gary,
Thanks for the document refers mainly to a Dr James Lakatski, who was a PoI maybe a decade ago.
Someone would have to refresh my memory.
……….
U,
Right foot wants to know if you are the ‘dangerous’ Ryan.
Anyway, I did get something of memory dump.
foot arranged to have Jack Vorona fired from DIA due to illicit contracts he had made with Hal Puthoff for remote viewing.
At one point, Jack was Dale’s supervisor.
Jack was alleged to be in collusion with an EDSI(?) budget officer.
Before Dale was at the DIA, he was in the Air Force.
Keep in mind that Cpt Bob Collins was the communications officer for the Aviary. As such, it was his responsibility to assign bird names.
So I asked if Bob had assigned a bird name to Edward.
He didn’t respond, but said that Edward had met with John Alexander and Hal Puthoff…… maybe in Los Alamos.
By the way, I notice that Grant maintains a fairly complete Aviary list.
………..
Enter Ernie Kellerstrauss……
The elder statesman of the Aviary…… with the possible exception of Edward.
Ernie, Dale and Anthony Cassiopa meet up at Wright-Patterson Airfield in Ohio.
Ernie and Dale actually meet at a local church.
Dale begins his remote viewing at WP, which he later continues at the DIA.
At one point, two went to WP to investigate.
At another point he visited Dale at DIA looking for the Red Book
of which Dale was the alleged custodian.
………
At some point, Dale converts from Christianity
to Buddhism 
.
At another point, he was doing a psychic show on cruise ships
with REG.
He told me that two was a loose cannon with a big mouth.
Little did he know.
Did Dale ever have a clue?
I’m doubtful.
Does anyone need more information?
……….
With the recent information, the ground is shifting beneath the Aviary.
And what do we suppose vladdie made of this?
……. oh goodie, why not just help myself to the Crimea?
(cont………)
Thanks for the document refers mainly to a Dr James Lakatski, who was a PoI maybe a decade ago.
Someone would have to refresh my memory.
……….
U,
Right foot wants to know if you are the ‘dangerous’ Ryan.
Anyway, I did get something of memory dump.
foot arranged to have Jack Vorona fired from DIA due to illicit contracts he had made with Hal Puthoff for remote viewing.
At one point, Jack was Dale’s supervisor.
Jack was alleged to be in collusion with an EDSI(?) budget officer.
Before Dale was at the DIA, he was in the Air Force.
Keep in mind that Cpt Bob Collins was the communications officer for the Aviary. As such, it was his responsibility to assign bird names.
So I asked if Bob had assigned a bird name to Edward.
He didn’t respond, but said that Edward had met with John Alexander and Hal Puthoff…… maybe in Los Alamos.
By the way, I notice that Grant maintains a fairly complete Aviary list.
………..
Enter Ernie Kellerstrauss……
The elder statesman of the Aviary…… with the possible exception of Edward.
Ernie, Dale and Anthony Cassiopa meet up at Wright-Patterson Airfield in Ohio.
Ernie and Dale actually meet at a local church.
Dale begins his remote viewing at WP, which he later continues at the DIA.
At one point, two went to WP to investigate.
At another point he visited Dale at DIA looking for the Red Book
of which Dale was the alleged custodian. ………
At some point, Dale converts from Christianity
to Buddhism . At another point, he was doing a psychic show on cruise ships
with REG. He told me that two was a loose cannon with a big mouth.
Little did he know.
Did Dale ever have a clue?
I’m doubtful.
Does anyone need more information?
……….
With the recent information, the ground is shifting beneath the Aviary.
And what do we suppose vladdie made of this?
……. oh goodie, why not just help myself to the Crimea?
(cont………)
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The Black Lodge of the Aviary
https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_aviary03.htm
Footstool has some ridiculous hair.
Smelly
took down the Aviary.
I scrambled their switchboard.
Truthfully, chick was already scrambled when I met him.
Bahaha
https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_aviary03.htm
Footstool has some ridiculous hair.
Smelly
took down the Aviary. I scrambled their switchboard.
Truthfully, chick was already scrambled when I met him.
Bahaha
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