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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?
Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin
With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.
Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.
So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?
And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?
Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.
Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.
So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?
And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?
Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.
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Matthew 10:16 “Behold, I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves.
Faith and trust starts with truth and ends with truth.
Matthew 10:16 “Behold, I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves.
Faith and trust starts with truth and ends with truth.
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Truth in the Multiverse: Any operational nuclear weapon will be detonated somewhere, in the many worlds.
If you build WMD they will be used.
Do we need an ASSURED ABSOLUTE DESTRUCTION device that creates a phase transition to the TRUE QUANTUM VACUUM?
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1300z……..
Poor Gary,
He’s reverting to his old dumb, multiverse, Mad Max self.
After all these years, he is demonstrating nary a clue about the BPWH.
I see no indication that he is not a complete materialist.
99,
I cannot recommend blind faith.
Before you can afford to be gentle as a dove, you must be wise as a serpent.
You can have trust in the Truth, only so long as you know it is the best possible, personal Truth.
And how may we come to know this?
We need to understand the historical necessity of modern materialism.
We need to be able to understand and forgive the many who blindly followed the path of scientific materialism.
We need to understand the historical necessity of the Grand Deception and the Great Apostasy.
Yes, 99, God would not have created so many scientific materialists, if she did not love them.
………..
Furthermore, I see no indication that Putin has a clue about the BPWH.
The question is…… under what circumstances might the chick
be willing to meet with any of Putin’s supporters?
It would only be on the condition that they would be willing to discuss the termination of hostilities, and negotiate a path to Disclosure.
There is the exception of continuing to meet with two and three, regardless.
I guess they were grandfathered in, bless their hearts.
1430……..
The question is whether, after Ukraine, Putin will be in any political position to be in charge of Disclosure.
Will Trump be in any position?
The two of them are liable to go down together.
Has the whole Trump/Putin gambit done anything other than to delay Disclosure?
Have two and three done anything other than to delay Disclosure?
That is a question that will have to be asked?
The practical problem is that chick has never been offered an alternative.
There might have been an alternative through Chris Straub (SSCI), but he removed himself from contention, early on.
After Trump and Putin, who are they going to turn to next…… Marjorie Taylor Greene?
Do either of them (2/3) have the slightest clue about personalism?
It seems not.
And by the same token, can any of the more liberally inclined remove themselves from the thrall of secular humanism…….. Transhumanism?
Where does any of this leave Disclosure?
If Disclosure cannot be political nor religious, where will it come from?
From the internet, ok, but from OMF?
After 10 years on OMF, that seems less than likely.
Wait, I was on the original version of OMF from 2008.
Before that, I had my own blog on the BPW website, etc.
We can’t forget that someone was going to meet with RdS.
Does he want to take on the political ‘burden’ of Disclosure.
He would have to consider the very likely pushback from all the conservative ‘xians’.
Does RdS really wish to fall on the Disclosure sword
?
If he ever did, it would likely not be until his second term.
We can hardly afford to have done another twelve years of delay.
This was never in the cards……. nor in the stars
……
RdS might be able to operate behind the scenes.
That would be the only political possibility……. yes?
1600……..
Otherwise, what can the chick do without the Princess?
She also insists on being behind the scenes.
She could collaborate with someone not already known to be associated with her or foot, and I would have to take my chances.
Someone who could be trusted with sources. I believe she has done that in the past, on small scales.
(cont……….)
Poor Gary,
He’s reverting to his old dumb, multiverse, Mad Max self.
After all these years, he is demonstrating nary a clue about the BPWH.
I see no indication that he is not a complete materialist.
99,
I cannot recommend blind faith.
Before you can afford to be gentle as a dove, you must be wise as a serpent.
You can have trust in the Truth, only so long as you know it is the best possible, personal Truth.
And how may we come to know this?
We need to understand the historical necessity of modern materialism.
We need to be able to understand and forgive the many who blindly followed the path of scientific materialism.
We need to understand the historical necessity of the Grand Deception and the Great Apostasy.
Yes, 99, God would not have created so many scientific materialists, if she did not love them.
………..
Furthermore, I see no indication that Putin has a clue about the BPWH.
The question is…… under what circumstances might the chick
be willing to meet with any of Putin’s supporters? It would only be on the condition that they would be willing to discuss the termination of hostilities, and negotiate a path to Disclosure.
There is the exception of continuing to meet with two and three, regardless.
I guess they were grandfathered in, bless their hearts.
1430……..
The question is whether, after Ukraine, Putin will be in any political position to be in charge of Disclosure.
Will Trump be in any position?
The two of them are liable to go down together.
Has the whole Trump/Putin gambit done anything other than to delay Disclosure?
Have two and three done anything other than to delay Disclosure?
That is a question that will have to be asked?
The practical problem is that chick
has never been offered an alternative. There might have been an alternative through Chris Straub (SSCI), but he removed himself from contention, early on.
After Trump and Putin, who are they going to turn to next…… Marjorie Taylor Greene?
Do either of them (2/3) have the slightest clue about personalism?
It seems not.
And by the same token, can any of the more liberally inclined remove themselves from the thrall of secular humanism…….. Transhumanism?
Where does any of this leave Disclosure?
If Disclosure cannot be political nor religious, where will it come from?
From the internet, ok, but from OMF?
After 10 years on OMF, that seems less than likely.
Wait, I was on the original version of OMF from 2008.
Before that, I had my own blog on the BPW website, etc.
We can’t forget that someone was going to meet with RdS.
Does he want to take on the political ‘burden’ of Disclosure.
He would have to consider the very likely pushback from all the conservative ‘xians’.
Does RdS really wish to fall on the Disclosure sword
? If he ever did, it would likely not be until his second term.
We can hardly afford to have done another twelve years of delay.
This was never in the cards……. nor in the stars
…… RdS might be able to operate behind the scenes.
That would be the only political possibility……. yes?
1600……..
Otherwise, what can the chick
do without the Princess? She also insists on being behind the scenes.
She could collaborate with someone not already known to be associated with her or foot, and I would have to take my chances.
Someone who could be trusted with sources. I believe she has done that in the past, on small scales.
(cont……….)
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Poor Gary,
He’s reverting to his old dumb, multiverse, Mad Max self.
Leibniz outlined his perfect world theory in his work The Monadology, stating the argument in five statements:
God has the idea of infinitely many universes.
Only one of these universes can actually exist.
God's choices are subject to the principle of sufficient reason, that is, God has reason to choose one thing or another.
God is good.
Therefore, the universe that God chose to exist is the best of all possible worlds.
-- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Best_of_all_possible_worlds
Let us begin with (1) God has the idea of infinitely many universes.
Thus spoke John Wheeler (in the company of the Mad) ...
https://arxiv.org/pdf/quant-ph/0101077.pdf
Abstract: As quantum theory celebrates its 100th birthday, spectacular successes are mixed with
outstanding puzzles and promises of new technologies. This article reviews both the successes of
quantum theory and the ongoing debate about its consequences for issues ranging from quantum
computation to consciousness, parallel universes and the nature of physical reality.
We argue that modern experiments and the discovery of decoherence have have shifted prevailing quantum interpretations away from wave function collapse towards unitary physics, and discuss quantum processes in the framework of a tripartite subject-object-environment decomposition. We conclude with some speculations on the bigger picture and the search for a unified theory of quantum gravity.
He’s reverting to his old dumb, multiverse, Mad Max self.
Leibniz outlined his perfect world theory in his work The Monadology, stating the argument in five statements:
God has the idea of infinitely many universes.
Only one of these universes can actually exist.
God's choices are subject to the principle of sufficient reason, that is, God has reason to choose one thing or another.
God is good.
Therefore, the universe that God chose to exist is the best of all possible worlds.
-- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Best_of_all_possible_worlds
Let us begin with (1) God has the idea of infinitely many universes.
Thus spoke John Wheeler (in the company of the Mad) ...
https://arxiv.org/pdf/quant-ph/0101077.pdf
Abstract: As quantum theory celebrates its 100th birthday, spectacular successes are mixed with
outstanding puzzles and promises of new technologies. This article reviews both the successes of
quantum theory and the ongoing debate about its consequences for issues ranging from quantum
computation to consciousness, parallel universes and the nature of physical reality.
We argue that modern experiments and the discovery of decoherence have have shifted prevailing quantum interpretations away from wave function collapse towards unitary physics, and discuss quantum processes in the framework of a tripartite subject-object-environment decomposition. We conclude with some speculations on the bigger picture and the search for a unified theory of quantum gravity.
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Dan writes a thread about disclosure of portals and then berates Gary for remarking on the multiverse.
Dan writes a philosophical thesis on BPW and then berates 99 about belief.
Dan writes a denigration on scientific materialism in a universe where God created a physics that is fully functional and demonstratable mechanics rather than giving logical tie-in to a metaphysical BPW hypothesis.
Dan berates Trump for delaying Disclosure, when Trump created Space Force on the wake of disclosure of Solar Warden, and a multifaceted narrative war in the exopolitical community.
Disclosure isn't delayed. It's a three ring circus, and anyone who can sing, should. Because he who waits will find only scraps at the table.
Shrug.
THEY have always been here. There are MANY universes 'er Houses in Gods mind. And some of the animals on this very planet have more common sense than the critters with the stewardship....especially if any of the stewards thinks GOOD STEWARDSHIP means using NUCLEAR WEAPONS for any reason, at any point in time.
Dipchits exist because God was bored and likes stacking dominoes in weird designs on a hardwood floor just so they can be tipped over....isn't that a comforting thought? Especially if you are someone who can be classified at some point in human history as a dipchit on Earths epitaph.
Dan writes a philosophical thesis on BPW and then berates 99 about belief.
Dan writes a denigration on scientific materialism in a universe where God created a physics that is fully functional and demonstratable mechanics rather than giving logical tie-in to a metaphysical BPW hypothesis.
Dan berates Trump for delaying Disclosure, when Trump created Space Force on the wake of disclosure of Solar Warden, and a multifaceted narrative war in the exopolitical community.
Disclosure isn't delayed. It's a three ring circus, and anyone who can sing, should. Because he who waits will find only scraps at the table.
Shrug.
THEY have always been here. There are MANY universes 'er Houses in Gods mind. And some of the animals on this very planet have more common sense than the critters with the stewardship....especially if any of the stewards thinks GOOD STEWARDSHIP means using NUCLEAR WEAPONS for any reason, at any point in time.
Dipchits exist because God was bored and likes stacking dominoes in weird designs on a hardwood floor just so they can be tipped over....isn't that a comforting thought? Especially if you are someone who can be classified at some point in human history as a dipchit on Earths epitaph.
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Folks...Disclosure isn't some grand event. If it were, it'd have happened decades ago. Nah, its just a landscape where people who know a little something scream at each other from adjacent rooftops because they're too chicken chit to all sit down together at the same table and have a normal conversation; normal like a 6 foot bull snake nonchalantly getting a drink from the Missouri river beside the last danaan as she plied for fish with a hook and worm.
So was that really a snake or was it Synchronicity making a needed point?
Cy's message to any non-human who is only being a tourist...go shopping. Smile at the clerk at the check out and wave to everyone as you finish and leave.
Be normal. Just do it. Don't ask for permission...there's no one to ask.
So was that really a snake or was it Synchronicity making a needed point?
Cy's message to any non-human who is only being a tourist...go shopping. Smile at the clerk at the check out and wave to everyone as you finish and leave.
Be normal. Just do it. Don't ask for permission...there's no one to ask.
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"This is an indeterminite problem. How shall I solve it? Pessimistically? Or optimistically? Or a range of probabilities expressed as a curve, or several curves?..........Well.....we're Loonies. Loonies bet. Hell, we have to! They shipped us up and bet us we couldn't stay alive. We fooled 'em. We'll fool 'em again!" Robert Heinlein, The Moon is a Harsh Mistress.
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Yes, it’s quite possible that ours is not the best possible world.
By the same token, however, it might be.
And why should we settle for second best, if we don’t have to?
Yes, we do live in a cynical 🤨 age, and we are well accustomed to having our hopes dashed in a world that is so often indifferent
to our existence.
There is a great deal of scientific evidence to the existential notion our being an accident in a meaningless universe.
We know, however, that you believe no such thing, Cy.
(cont………)
By the same token, however, it might be.
And why should we settle for second best, if we don’t have to?
Yes, we do live in a cynical 🤨 age, and we are well accustomed to having our hopes dashed in a world that is so often indifferent
to our existence. There is a great deal of scientific evidence to the existential notion our being an accident in a meaningless universe.
We know, however, that you believe no such thing, Cy.
(cont………)
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dan wrote:Yes, it’s quite possible that ours is not the best possible world.
By the same token, however, it might be.
And why should we settle for second best, if we don’t have to?
Yes, we do live in a cynical 🤨 age, and we are well accustomed to having our hopes dashed in a world that is so often indifferent
(cont………)
DAN, if this is the BPW, then it is because ALL who have or will fight for it, make it that way. That is the power of acting free will which Source/God supports and encourages.
BPW is not an autopilot deal. As I've said several times over the years: "humanity hast to WANT to LIVE". Extermination (permanently - no more ensouled existence if nuclear is used) is easy. Most sentient species don't survive infancy, few early childhood, etc. Curiosity, unmeasured, and brash, usually leads into trouble as much as it does into enlightenment.
I'm not saying we shouldn't be curious...just that a measured approach is usually a better idea and a little common sense goes a very long way. Just because we 'can' do something doesn't mean we necessarily 'should'.
That said, humans are equally brilliant as they are at times complete 'imbeciles'...so how do we self-regulate the dipchit syndrome so it doesn't wipe us before we've barely begun?
Cy
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Rue she said Protection
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I really don't care what any of you believe and Putin and his comrades don't care either.
At any rate, any collective chatter on peripheral topics and subtopics is just a form of processing the reality of what very well may be coming up. The fact is, even so-called experts in the field are obliquely and even directly negating that it's ever going to happen... and they'll keep doing that right up to the moment when it does.
At any rate, any collective chatter on peripheral topics and subtopics is just a form of processing the reality of what very well may be coming up. The fact is, even so-called experts in the field are obliquely and even directly negating that it's ever going to happen... and they'll keep doing that right up to the moment when it does.
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Humans who use nukes won't be going to heaven.
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"This is an indeterminite problem. How shall I solve it? Pessimistically? Or optimistically? Or a range of probabilities expressed as a curve, or several curves?..........Well.....we're Loonies. Loonies bet. Hell, we have to! They shipped us up and bet us we couldn't stay alive. We fooled 'em. We'll fool 'em again!" Robert Heinlein, The Moon is a Harsh Mistress.
Rue she said Protection
Rooster's Crow Confusion
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A dog with no Illusion.
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1110z…….
Cy,
Yes and no……..
From our personal perspective, each one of us is exercising free will.
From a cosmic perspective, it has all been choreographed.
We may more or less align ourselves with the cosmic will, which is agape.
The more that we are misaligned, the more we come under micromanagement.
The mass murderer has the very least amount of freedom.
But, no, Cy, none of us may cheat on our fate.
Ultimately, time is an illusion, along with everything else.
The only thing that is not relatively illusory is agape.
Agape is infinite and absolute.
We all end up in total alignment with the cosmic Agape.
Everyone of us is absolutely fated to be one with the One.
Agape is the absolute core of every being.
Agape is the interpersonal aspect of every person….. it is the transpersonal aspect of our innermost selves.
It is the core of our conscience……. whatever scrap of conscience we may possess……. and we all possess a scrap.
There is that of God in every last one of us.
The only thing that has most of us confused is science.
Over and over again, science has preached to us that we are lost in space and time.
This is God’s Grand Deception, and it has lead to our Great Apostasy.
Our Great Apostasy is about to implode……. and it will come in a flash.
Every nanosecond of history has been choreographed with this Finale in mind.
Do you really think that the God of the Metanarrative of Creation could help but be a drama queen?
This, ultimately, is the Creation of every one of us…….. our Creation is geocentric, anthropocentric and, ultimately, Christocentric.
Every last one of us knows this in the core of our being…… although we manage to be able to forget it…… as if on cue.
……….
So, no, the world does not need to be saved.
Not one of us has ever managed to stray off of the Reservation…… no, not for one nanosecond.
But how could the world be Christocentric, if we are sinless?
Well, not to make too fine a point of it…… it is exactly because we are sinless that the world is Christocentric.
Not one of us ever has…… not one of us ever will miss the cosmic mark.
Perhaps our only choice is to be more or less aware that we have no choice.
Every last one of us is fated to sit down and have a beer
with the I Am.
It will be the last thing that any of us will ever remember.
End of story.
1300……..
Is Putin woke?
chick has reason to believe that he is.
He understands that, as the Anti/e Christ, he has volunteered to be under the all time maximum of cosmic micromanagement.
And, if there needs be a bomb at this point, he will know exactly where and when to place it.
We have not an iota of fear.
chick just goes on whistling
past the graveyard 🪦.
In that one regard, chick has no choice.
Did I not whistle right past Vegas?
It’s the one thing I know how to do.
All the rest is just passing the time……. ‘til’ the cows
come home.
So, hey, vladdie……. make our day.
And, oh yes, be sure to give our best to the Princess
!
Somebody had to put their foot 🦶 down on the New World Order…… put it out of its misery!
vladdie sure knew how!
1900………
It would seem that Buddhism
presents the antithesis to personalism with its doctrine of Anatta.
I disagree.
It is possible that the BPWH is more Buddhist than the Buddha.
Buddhism does offer liberation, but, hey, there is no liberator like the Eschaton.
Is chick being slightly flippant?
The only way to survive in its shadow is to maintain more than a smidgen of galgenhumoren.
Yes, Buddhism is very personal, in its doctrine of Anatta.
The BPWH is then the epitome of the interpersonal.
With its cosmic relativism, the BPWH provides something more than whiff of nihilism.
Hey, it embraces the best possible amount of nihilism.
………….
On a more serious 🧐 note, chick has not explicitly delved into the problem of the ground of Being or of nonbeing, itself.
What is the ground of the I Am?
It was Tillich who posited God as the only possible ground of Being.
I have suggested that a quantum cosmic Chaos could be a ground for the primordial Agape.
This seems to be a bit of a stretch, but it is the basis of the Big Bang cosmology.
Outside the purview of sapience, there logically exists no basis for a world or for any sort of ontology, whatsoever.
Basically, we have to consider any form of cognizance as being somehow bootstrapped.
With just one person, the transpersonal kicks in…… and the rest is history.
And why was there only one primordial person?
As a trinitarian, I make no such assertion.
But could there be a cosmic consciousness without a cosmic telepathy?
Hail, hail, the Gang’s all here.
Ok, the ground of Being is the cosmic potentiality, which naturally bootstraps itself into a cosmic potency.
Do we need more than one such potency….. and may the best potency win?
All being is telepathically entangled/subsumed……. within the cosmic consciousness of SE White’s Unobstructed Universe……. so to speak.
Even chicks have their limits…… the best possible personal ones!
Could there not be quantitatively infinite being?
If one being is good, why not two, etc…….?
I suggest that quality comes before quantity….. and all quality is necessarily personal….. precluding the impersonal of anything quantitatively infinite.
(cont……….)
Cy,
DAN, if this is the BPW, then it is because ALL who have or will fight for it, make it that way. That is the power of acting free will which Source/God supports and encourages.
BPW is not an autopilot deal.
Yes and no……..
From our personal perspective, each one of us is exercising free will.
From a cosmic perspective, it has all been choreographed.
We may more or less align ourselves with the cosmic will, which is agape.
The more that we are misaligned, the more we come under micromanagement.
The mass murderer has the very least amount of freedom.
But, no, Cy, none of us may cheat on our fate.
Ultimately, time is an illusion, along with everything else.
The only thing that is not relatively illusory is agape.
Agape is infinite and absolute.
We all end up in total alignment with the cosmic Agape.
Everyone of us is absolutely fated to be one with the One.
Agape is the absolute core of every being.
Agape is the interpersonal aspect of every person….. it is the transpersonal aspect of our innermost selves.
It is the core of our conscience……. whatever scrap of conscience we may possess……. and we all possess a scrap.
There is that of God in every last one of us.
The only thing that has most of us confused is science.
Over and over again, science has preached to us that we are lost in space and time.
This is God’s Grand Deception, and it has lead to our Great Apostasy.
Our Great Apostasy is about to implode……. and it will come in a flash.
Every nanosecond of history has been choreographed with this Finale in mind.
Do you really think that the God of the Metanarrative of Creation could help but be a drama queen?
This, ultimately, is the Creation of every one of us…….. our Creation is geocentric, anthropocentric and, ultimately, Christocentric.
Every last one of us knows this in the core of our being…… although we manage to be able to forget it…… as if on cue.
……….
So, no, the world does not need to be saved.
Not one of us has ever managed to stray off of the Reservation…… no, not for one nanosecond.
But how could the world be Christocentric, if we are sinless?
Well, not to make too fine a point of it…… it is exactly because we are sinless that the world is Christocentric.
Not one of us ever has…… not one of us ever will miss the cosmic mark.
Perhaps our only choice is to be more or less aware that we have no choice.
Every last one of us is fated to sit down and have a beer
with the I Am. It will be the last thing that any of us will ever remember.
End of story.
1300……..
Is Putin woke?
chick
has reason to believe that he is. He understands that, as the Anti/e Christ, he has volunteered to be under the all time maximum of cosmic micromanagement.
And, if there needs be a bomb at this point, he will know exactly where and when to place it.
We have not an iota of fear.
chick just goes on whistling
past the graveyard 🪦. In that one regard, chick has no choice.
Did I not whistle right past Vegas?
It’s the one thing I know how to do.
All the rest is just passing the time……. ‘til’ the cows
come home. So, hey, vladdie……. make our day.
And, oh yes, be sure to give our best to the Princess
! Somebody had to put their foot 🦶 down on the New World Order…… put it out of its misery!
vladdie sure knew how!
1900………
It would seem that Buddhism
presents the antithesis to personalism with its doctrine of Anatta. I disagree.
It is possible that the BPWH is more Buddhist than the Buddha.
Buddhism does offer liberation, but, hey, there is no liberator like the Eschaton.
Is chick
being slightly flippant? The only way to survive in its shadow is to maintain more than a smidgen of galgenhumoren.
Yes, Buddhism is very personal, in its doctrine of Anatta.
The BPWH is then the epitome of the interpersonal.
With its cosmic relativism, the BPWH provides something more than whiff of nihilism.
Hey, it embraces the best possible amount of nihilism.
………….
On a more serious 🧐 note, chick has not explicitly delved into the problem of the ground of Being or of nonbeing, itself.
What is the ground of the I Am?
It was Tillich who posited God as the only possible ground of Being.
I have suggested that a quantum cosmic Chaos could be a ground for the primordial Agape.
This seems to be a bit of a stretch, but it is the basis of the Big Bang cosmology.
Outside the purview of sapience, there logically exists no basis for a world or for any sort of ontology, whatsoever.
Basically, we have to consider any form of cognizance as being somehow bootstrapped.
With just one person, the transpersonal kicks in…… and the rest is history.
And why was there only one primordial person?
As a trinitarian, I make no such assertion.
But could there be a cosmic consciousness without a cosmic telepathy?
Hail, hail, the Gang’s all here.
Ok, the ground of Being is the cosmic potentiality, which naturally bootstraps itself into a cosmic potency.
Do we need more than one such potency….. and may the best potency win?
All being is telepathically entangled/subsumed……. within the cosmic consciousness of SE White’s Unobstructed Universe……. so to speak.
Even chicks have their limits…… the best possible personal ones!
Could there not be quantitatively infinite being?
If one being is good, why not two, etc…….?
I suggest that quality comes before quantity….. and all quality is necessarily personal….. precluding the impersonal of anything quantitatively infinite.
(cont……….)
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Interesting, if true ...
Did Russia’s Sunken Warship Try to Use a Religious Weapon?
If the sunken Russian warship was carrying a fragment of the True Cross, it wouldn’t be the first time Christians have used relics to gain an advantage in war.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/when-the-best-defense-is-a-box-of-bones
Did Russia’s Sunken Warship Try to Use a Religious Weapon?
If the sunken Russian warship was carrying a fragment of the True Cross, it wouldn’t be the first time Christians have used relics to gain an advantage in war.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/when-the-best-defense-is-a-box-of-bones
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0400z…….
The materialists have a story for how a body grows a mind.
But we immaterialists have no story for how a mind grows a body.
Would anyone like to know how a tiger
charges its stripes?
……..
Gary,
I’m not sure I’d want to make fun 🤩 of poor vladdie……. he might just decide to put his foot 🦶 down.
1300………
What’s a body good for?
It’s good for quite a few things.
Reproduction is no small thing…… in the scheme of things…… especially sexual reproduction.
And where would we be without mortality?
We may all be co-Creators, but creation is not going to get more personal than with having children.
Besides providing mobility and manipulation, a body serves as a multi-modal sensory device.
But, in dream states, we get on fine without bodies…… or do we?
Our bodily and/or our visual sensations figure prominently in our dreams.
In our dreams, space and time are usually present, although they may be more distorted.
Space makes little sense without bodies.
It’s not at all clear, which came first……. space or bodies…… clearly they are codependent.
Are the dreams of blind people situated in a three dimensional space?
Did the I Am emerge blind and deaf?
How did space and time emerge?
Or, how did emergence emerge?
Our understanding of space has everything to do with memory…… motor and eidetic…… strongly correlated within sapience.
Our personhood is essentially interpersonal.
How do we identify different persons in our dreams?
What sort of telepathic aura is there?
What if we have several imaginary playmates?
And what about the play?
1530………
And where does synesthesia fit into all this?
Differentiation is an essential aspect of creation…… if we wish to be serious 🧐 about our monism.
Sapience and differentiation are clearly co-dependent, and very dependent on eidetic memory.
……….
Modern philosophy is much puzzled by unity of consciousness.
This is coming at mind from an analytic basis.
Coming at mind from a holistic basis, one might be equally puzzled by the disunity of mind.
For some reason, however, this problem disappeared from philosophical thought, in the first half of the last century……. only to be taken up again in the ‘60s.
This historical lacuna may have had to do with the existence of persons, who were largely discounted in the heyday of analytical philosophy.
But, starting from the notion of atoms swerving in the void, it is difficult to explain any sort of coherence.
The only acceptable coherence has to do with the presupposition of the unifying aspects of space and time.
……….
We have the unity of mind and the unity of nature…….. both in need of an explanation.
We have mind and matter.
Allegedly, we have explained most of nature, except for mind.
In the scheme of nature, the human mind is such an outlier, why not just set it aside from the rest of nature, and go on about or scientific business?
This would be the preference of the great majority of scientists…… why get our knickers in a bunch, just about some oddities of the human brain 🧠? What a minuscule sliver of the universe.
chick says……. when the sky falls, it’s gotta fall somewhere……. where else besides on our little noggins?
Is the sky gonna fall? Is the paradigm going to shift?
Something’s gotta give!
Can the paradigm shift without a portal opening?
Not for the foreseeable future.
If the Eschaton is time sensitive, we may not have time to waste.
Either way, it is rather likely that we are on short time.
I might just know someone who can do something about that.
(cont………)
The materialists have a story for how a body grows a mind.
But we immaterialists have no story for how a mind grows a body.
Would anyone like to know how a tiger
charges its stripes? ……..
Gary,
I’m not sure I’d want to make fun 🤩 of poor vladdie……. he might just decide to put his foot 🦶 down.
1300………
What’s a body good for?
It’s good for quite a few things.
Reproduction is no small thing…… in the scheme of things…… especially sexual reproduction.
And where would we be without mortality?
We may all be co-Creators, but creation is not going to get more personal than with having children.
Besides providing mobility and manipulation, a body serves as a multi-modal sensory device.
But, in dream states, we get on fine without bodies…… or do we?
Our bodily and/or our visual sensations figure prominently in our dreams.
In our dreams, space and time are usually present, although they may be more distorted.
Space makes little sense without bodies.
It’s not at all clear, which came first……. space or bodies…… clearly they are codependent.
Are the dreams of blind people situated in a three dimensional space?
Did the I Am emerge blind and deaf?
How did space and time emerge?
Or, how did emergence emerge?
Our understanding of space has everything to do with memory…… motor and eidetic…… strongly correlated within sapience.
Our personhood is essentially interpersonal.
How do we identify different persons in our dreams?
What sort of telepathic aura is there?
What if we have several imaginary playmates?
And what about the play?
1530………
And where does synesthesia fit into all this?
Differentiation is an essential aspect of creation…… if we wish to be serious 🧐 about our monism.
Sapience and differentiation are clearly co-dependent, and very dependent on eidetic memory.
……….
Modern philosophy is much puzzled by unity of consciousness.
This is coming at mind from an analytic basis.
Coming at mind from a holistic basis, one might be equally puzzled by the disunity of mind.
For some reason, however, this problem disappeared from philosophical thought, in the first half of the last century……. only to be taken up again in the ‘60s.
This historical lacuna may have had to do with the existence of persons, who were largely discounted in the heyday of analytical philosophy.
But, starting from the notion of atoms swerving in the void, it is difficult to explain any sort of coherence.
The only acceptable coherence has to do with the presupposition of the unifying aspects of space and time.
……….
We have the unity of mind and the unity of nature…….. both in need of an explanation.
We have mind and matter.
Allegedly, we have explained most of nature, except for mind.
In the scheme of nature, the human mind is such an outlier, why not just set it aside from the rest of nature, and go on about or scientific business?
This would be the preference of the great majority of scientists…… why get our knickers in a bunch, just about some oddities of the human brain 🧠? What a minuscule sliver of the universe.
chick
says……. when the sky falls, it’s gotta fall somewhere……. where else besides on our little noggins? Is the sky gonna fall? Is the paradigm going to shift?
Something’s gotta give!
Can the paradigm shift without a portal opening?
Not for the foreseeable future.
If the Eschaton is time sensitive, we may not have time to waste.
Either way, it is rather likely that we are on short time.
I might just know someone who can do something about that.
(cont………)
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Dan wrote:The only acceptable coherence has to do with the presupposition of the unifying aspects of space and time.
One can't even consider that space and time are not "unified" when one contemplates the consciousness of the cosmos.
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David Deutsch explains why the Best Possible World is only one member of a vast set of worlds:
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Deutsch states that he's an agnostic. He's saying that different worlds can interact with each other. But he does not focus on any metaphysical/transcendental operatives in his BPW paradigm.
Here's Dan's comments on the BPW and coherence. For whatever it's worth, I can relate to what he's saying on an intuitive level..
Here's Dan's comments on the BPW and coherence. For whatever it's worth, I can relate to what he's saying on an intuitive level..
Dan wrote:
All of these types of coherence compose our world. I am claiming, however, an overriding, cosmic coherence. This coherence comprises the substance of our immaterial world. Leading up to the eschaton, this cosmic coherence becomes comprehended by us. The temporal boundaries of our history, the Alpha & Omega, figure prominently in its ultimate coherence.
The coherence of the world derives from its status as a creation. We, as co-creators, play a greater part in the creation as we begin to comprehend our role in the eschatological context. We consciously align ourselves with the cosmic plan or the will of God. This is how we become one with God as the ultimate aspect of coherence.
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99 and Gary,
The concept of the best possible world is based, more than anything else, on the very simple idea of summing over all of our intentions……. all of us being the co-Creators.
The best possible world is then the constructive coherence of all of our ideas……. resulting in the optimal world.
Is God even necessary in such a world?
Well, some poor geezer had to go ahead and get hisself crucified.
Thank God it wasn’t you or me!
So, yes, we sum over all possible histories, from Alpha to Omega.
The BPW is just the optimal constructive interference.
The Source/Telos is just the Alpha/Omega.
It is within this cosmic Coherence that we each become one with the One.
Is this all just done on autopilot?
Well, ok, we are the 10^10 microcosmic autopilots.
Isn’t that awfully redundant?
Well, being the Monday morning quarterbacks, I don’t think we’ll be contradicted if we say it was the best possible amount of redundancy…….!
(cont……..)
The concept of the best possible world is based, more than anything else, on the very simple idea of summing over all of our intentions……. all of us being the co-Creators.
The best possible world is then the constructive coherence of all of our ideas……. resulting in the optimal world.
Is God even necessary in such a world?
Well, some poor geezer had to go ahead and get hisself crucified.
Thank God it wasn’t you or me!
So, yes, we sum over all possible histories, from Alpha to Omega.
The BPW is just the optimal constructive interference.
The Source/Telos is just the Alpha/Omega.
It is within this cosmic Coherence that we each become one with the One.
Is this all just done on autopilot?
Well, ok, we are the 10^10 microcosmic autopilots.
Isn’t that awfully redundant?
Well, being the Monday morning quarterbacks, I don’t think we’ll be contradicted if we say it was the best possible amount of redundancy…….
! (cont……..)
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Dan asks: And where does synesthesia fit into all this?
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dan wrote:The best possible world is then the constructive coherence of all of our ideas resulting in the optimal world.
This is why the world is fundamentally a cooperative world. It's the optimal way forward which is based on a pervasive commonality with ALL.
And, as we shall see, this commonality leads us to one goal; to prevent destruction of the world.
The ultimate goal is to ensure our ability to continue to cooperate according to those standards we have established from the Alpha to the Omega to achieve that goal.
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99,
So what would you have us do?
Scatter our seed to the four winds?
We just remain lost in time and space for ever and ever?
It used to be that we spoke of BOMFOG……… brotherhood of man and the fatherhood of God.
Now we speak of soulmates.
We have to ask ourselves if there is a cosmic Soul or not.
Is there an I Am?
Is there some way that we can relate to the world personally……. have a personal connection?
If Darwin is correct, this is not our world.
We are cosmic interlopers.
Are we a cancer on the Earth, or is the Earth pregnant
with the I Am?
Do we get to decide?
Somehow I suspect that the die has already been cast….. les jeux sont fait.
We are just beginning to see the cracks in the cosmic Egg
.
Is there a narrative that goes with our existence?
Does it have a beginning and no end?
The Eschaton is not going to be the result of some historical democratic decision.
The Eschaton conveys us beyond space and time.
The opening of the portals is necessarily irreversible…… that is why the Sun goes out.
If the choice were between a big world and a small world, there would be no choice.
The small world is personal, and the big world is impersonal.
There is no choice where we are the co-Creators…… and we are.
The best possible world is necessarily finite.
Poor Putin………
He drew the short straw.
He gets to bring down the curtain on secular humanism.
He gets to say that enough is enough.
He is not doing this on a whim.
It was written in the stars.
(cont……..)
So what would you have us do?
Scatter our seed to the four winds?
We just remain lost in time and space for ever and ever?
It used to be that we spoke of BOMFOG……… brotherhood of man and the fatherhood of God.
Now we speak of soulmates.
We have to ask ourselves if there is a cosmic Soul or not.
Is there an I Am?
Is there some way that we can relate to the world personally……. have a personal connection?
If Darwin is correct, this is not our world.
We are cosmic interlopers.
Are we a cancer on the Earth, or is the Earth pregnant
with the I Am? Do we get to decide?
Somehow I suspect that the die has already been cast….. les jeux sont fait.
We are just beginning to see the cracks in the cosmic Egg
. Is there a narrative that goes with our existence?
Does it have a beginning and no end?
The Eschaton is not going to be the result of some historical democratic decision.
The Eschaton conveys us beyond space and time.
The opening of the portals is necessarily irreversible…… that is why the Sun goes out.
If the choice were between a big world and a small world, there would be no choice.
The small world is personal, and the big world is impersonal.
There is no choice where we are the co-Creators…… and we are.
The best possible world is necessarily finite.
Poor Putin………
He drew the short straw.
He gets to bring down the curtain on secular humanism.
He gets to say that enough is enough.
He is not doing this on a whim.
It was written in the stars
. (cont……..)
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