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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?
Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin
With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.
Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.
So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?
And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?
Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.
Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.
So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?
And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?
Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.
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https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-war-russia-putin-news-live-nuclear-latest-updates-12541713
The US intelligence service is encouraging disaffected Russians to get in contact through the darknet.
The CIA has begun a new push to promote its presence on the darknet, which is only accessible through specialised tools, and said those who do not agree with the invasion can get in touch this way.
Instructions on how to access the CIA's darknet site appeared on its social media channels today.
The US intelligence service is encouraging disaffected Russians to get in contact through the darknet.
The CIA has begun a new push to promote its presence on the darknet, which is only accessible through specialised tools, and said those who do not agree with the invasion can get in touch this way.
Instructions on how to access the CIA's darknet site appeared on its social media channels today.
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But some leading sponsors of recent legislation want more analysts and surveillance systems dedicated to determining the aircrafts’ origin — and not just more reports of their existence.
One of those lawmakers is Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.), a member of both committees who has called the phenomena “an urgent issue” and for the first time is expressing her public dissatisfaction at the response.
“Senator Gillibrand believes that the DoD needs to take this issue much more seriously and get in motion,” said one of her aides, who requested anonymity in order to discuss private conversations. “They have had ample time to implement these important provisions, and they need to show us that they are prepared to address this issue in the long-term.”
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/05/02/ufo-briefings-congress-pentagon-00029315
One of those lawmakers is Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.), a member of both committees who has called the phenomena “an urgent issue” and for the first time is expressing her public dissatisfaction at the response.
“Senator Gillibrand believes that the DoD needs to take this issue much more seriously and get in motion,” said one of her aides, who requested anonymity in order to discuss private conversations. “They have had ample time to implement these important provisions, and they need to show us that they are prepared to address this issue in the long-term.”
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/05/02/ufo-briefings-congress-pentagon-00029315
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Gary,
Them that knows ain’t talkin’. Them that’s talkin’ have no clue.
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And I think we’ve got that problem covered.
This is referred to as the synchronous hatching
strategy.
With our near Rapture we simply overwhelm the predators……. the Yajuj Majuj.
The estimate, according to three, is that two billion of us will exit through the ~hundred thousand portals on the first day. The portals will remain open for four more days before the Sun
goes out.
The arithmetic is simply that 10^5 times 10^5 equals 10^10.
In other words, ~100 thousand of us will exit through each of the ~100 thousand portals during the five days of their being open.
This would be a pretty massive Pied Piper operation.
You might understand why this is being covered up until the last minute.
What could possibly induce two billion of us to exit on the first day?
Where is the carrot
….. where is the stick?
I didn’t get an answer, so I suggested that the Sun might start blinking.
This suggestion has since been taken up.
I imagine that better suggestions will emerge.
Will cell phones operate on the other side, for instance?
There will certainly have to be ad hoc, temporary provisions to avoid the worst of the snafus.
But keep in mind that all of history has been construed with this Exodus in mind.
I don’t doubt that the Ukraine exodus was staged as a harbinger.
Imagine the Googa-magoogs running in the streets with the Sun blinking with an increased amplitude and frequency…… or just the preppers running wild with their weapons.
What do we suppose has been the historical rationale behind the media and social media?
There will be shades of Melancholia…… and every other disaster flick out there.
Wonderful!
And the carrot??
That might be above my pay grade.
(cont………)
Them that knows ain’t talkin’. Them that’s talkin’ have no clue.
99,
I guess you are alluding to the Yajuj Majuj or Gog and Magog.We shall defend our island whatever the cost may be; we shall fight on beaches, landing grounds, in fields, in streets and on the hills. We shall never surrender and even if, which I do not for the moment believe, this island or a large part of it were subjugated and starving, then our empire beyond the seas, armed and guarded by the British Fleet, will carry on the struggle until in God's good time the New World with all its power and might, sets forth to the liberation and rescue of the Old.
And I think we’ve got that problem covered.
This is referred to as the synchronous hatching
strategy. With our near Rapture we simply overwhelm the predators……. the Yajuj Majuj.
The estimate, according to three, is that two billion of us will exit through the ~hundred thousand portals on the first day. The portals will remain open for four more days before the Sun
goes out. The arithmetic is simply that 10^5 times 10^5 equals 10^10.
In other words, ~100 thousand of us will exit through each of the ~100 thousand portals during the five days of their being open.
This would be a pretty massive Pied Piper operation.
You might understand why this is being covered up until the last minute.
What could possibly induce two billion of us to exit on the first day?
Where is the carrot
….. where is the stick? I didn’t get an answer, so I suggested that the Sun might start blinking.
This suggestion has since been taken up.
I imagine that better suggestions will emerge.
Will cell phones operate on the other side, for instance?
There will certainly have to be ad hoc, temporary provisions to avoid the worst of the snafus.
But keep in mind that all of history has been construed with this Exodus in mind.
I don’t doubt that the Ukraine exodus was staged as a harbinger.
Imagine the Googa-magoogs running in the streets with the Sun blinking with an increased amplitude and frequency…… or just the preppers running wild with their weapons.
What do we suppose has been the historical rationale behind the media and social media?
There will be shades of Melancholia…… and every other disaster flick out there.
Wonderful!
And the carrot
?? That might be above my pay grade.
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Interesting post Dan but how long did it take for you to come up with all of that? 
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99,
I wouldn’t call this rocket
science.
……….
The actual number given was 144,000 portals.
The pandemic has been another sort of dress rehearsal.
I would suggest that a likely timeframe would be sometime prior to November 2024.
Hmmm
…….. or maybe just after.
How will the increasing political/religious polarization not impinge on the portal event?
However, it may be hard to predict just how those chips may fall.
In the end, we’ll all end up in the same place, regardless.
Would not the fundamentalists be the most resistant?
However, I wouldn’t want to predict the mob psychology.
Freezing 🥶 in the dark might be preferable.
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I wouldn’t call this rocket
science.……….
The actual number given was 144,000 portals.
The pandemic has been another sort of dress rehearsal.
I would suggest that a likely timeframe would be sometime prior to November 2024.
Hmmm
…….. or maybe just after. How will the increasing political/religious polarization not impinge on the portal event?
However, it may be hard to predict just how those chips may fall.
In the end, we’ll all end up in the same place, regardless.
Would not the fundamentalists be the most resistant?
However, I wouldn’t want to predict the mob psychology.
Freezing 🥶 in the dark might be preferable.
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Dan: Them that knows ain’t talkin’. Them that’s talkin’ have no clue.
Rep. Tim Burchett on UFO findings: ‘It’s a bogus cover-up
https://www.newsnationnow.com/on-balance-with-leland-vittert/rep-tim-burchett-on-ufo-findings-its-a-bogus-cover-up/
Burchett went on to reveal to the program that he has information that the Russians and the Chinese have similar information, have seen these very same things and that they are investigating them, just like the U.S.
“It’s at a little higher level than I believe we’re being told,” he told Vittert,
“The government is part of the cover-up and they’re not going to disclose it to us because they don’t trust us with with having enough sense to diagnose. It’s very frustrating,” he said.
Rep. Tim Burchett on UFO findings: ‘It’s a bogus cover-up
https://www.newsnationnow.com/on-balance-with-leland-vittert/rep-tim-burchett-on-ufo-findings-its-a-bogus-cover-up/
Burchett went on to reveal to the program that he has information that the Russians and the Chinese have similar information, have seen these very same things and that they are investigating them, just like the U.S.
“It’s at a little higher level than I believe we’re being told,” he told Vittert,
“The government is part of the cover-up and they’re not going to disclose it to us because they don’t trust us with with having enough sense to diagnose. It’s very frustrating,” he said.
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Gary,
And what is there about the Eschaton that argues for public consumption?
We’ll be lucky if we get 5 minutes advanced notice.
Anything more could easily be counterproductive.
Perhaps have the Sun blink three times, one day in advance of the portals opening.
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And what is there about the Eschaton that argues for public consumption?
We’ll be lucky if we get 5 minutes advanced notice.
Anything more could easily be counterproductive.
Perhaps have the Sun blink three times, one day in advance of the portals opening.
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dan wrote:Gary,
And what is there about the Eschaton that argues for public consumption?
We’ll be lucky if we get 5 minutes advanced notice.
Anything more could easily be counterproductive.
Perhaps have the Sun blink three times, one day in advance of the portals opening.
(cont……..)
Certainly, when we shift to the prophetic mode in terms of upcoming end of the world events, the central theme is good against the satanic/evil is pervasive.
Rudolph Steiner, for example, spoke of the struggle between Ahrimanic forces that would manifest itself in science and the other force that’s represented by the Archangel Michael who is universally iconic wrt the cosmic battle between good and evil.
When we bring this narrative to what’s going on today, we have a choice to go with technology or we can recover our spirituality and explore our relationship with the Earth.
One example of this is how something like fracking and how it messes around with water planes and the Earth’s crust... and how this can cause earthquakes and tidal waves.
Yet our scientists have yet to have a truly comprehensive understanding of the complexity of this process because they are motivated by the materialist approach only in resolving this problem instead of seeing that there’s a spiritual connection there too. That the indigenous viewpoint of such geological events is worth looking into to go beyond the limitations of science.
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99,
Golly, I hope not.
The one thing we don’t need is anything more by the way of Armageddon.
We’ve already had two thousand years of Armageddon.
We’ll have more than enough on our plates in participating in our Exodus event.
Imagine the passengers on the Titanic engaging in running gun battles on their way to the lifeboats.
In fact, there were not enough lifeboats on the Titanic, I believe.
There will be more than enough portals……. and, no, you cannot bring your AR15s.
If we want more struggle, we will have plenty of opportunity to contend with our own inner demons……. on the other side
These portals are not the Pearly gates.
I don’t know that there are any such thing.
We will have more than enough limbo-land to navigate…… on our way back to the Source.
There is nothing personal about the traditional concepts of Armageddon or of the Eschaton.
But things are only going to be getting more personal, from here on out.
Dreamland can get rather personal…… and that is one way to think about the portals.
Imagine that, over that five days, every portal will be expanding.
It will be as if the Earth is being turned inside-out.
The Sun will disappear……..? It will be more like the sky disappears…… as our reality becomes rather more porous.
You may recall the times we have talked about the concave Earth hypothesis.
Welcome to the concave, porous Earth.
Of course, we could just have vladdie drop a few Tsar Bombas, but I don’t think that’s in the cards
, or in the stars 
, possibly to his chagrin.
I’m sure that our global near death experience will have its impersonal aspects, initially……. but, soon enough, the personal will take over.
Note bené………. becoming more personal does not mean that things are becoming more ego-laden.
It’s really just the opposite…… as the outer layers of ourselves are stripped away……… as we get down to the heart of the matter……. to the cosmic cores of our personhood……. to the I Am.
This could happen in a flash……. or it could take centuries of psychological time……. depending, one might suppose, on how tough our shell is.
(cont………)
Golly, I hope not.
The one thing we don’t need is anything more by the way of Armageddon.
We’ve already had two thousand years of Armageddon.
We’ll have more than enough on our plates in participating in our Exodus event.
Imagine the passengers on the Titanic engaging in running gun battles on their way to the lifeboats.
In fact, there were not enough lifeboats on the Titanic, I believe.
There will be more than enough portals……. and, no, you cannot bring your AR15s.
If we want more struggle, we will have plenty of opportunity to contend with our own inner demons……. on the other side
These portals are not the Pearly gates.
I don’t know that there are any such thing.
We will have more than enough limbo-land to navigate…… on our way back to the Source.
There is nothing personal about the traditional concepts of Armageddon or of the Eschaton.
But things are only going to be getting more personal, from here on out.
Dreamland can get rather personal…… and that is one way to think about the portals.
Imagine that, over that five days, every portal will be expanding.
It will be as if the Earth is being turned inside-out.
The Sun will disappear……..? It will be more like the sky disappears…… as our reality becomes rather more porous.
You may recall the times we have talked about the concave Earth hypothesis.
Welcome to the concave, porous Earth.
Of course, we could just have vladdie drop a few Tsar Bombas, but I don’t think that’s in the cards
, or in the stars , possibly to his chagrin. I’m sure that our global near death experience will have its impersonal aspects, initially……. but, soon enough, the personal will take over.
Note bené………. becoming more personal does not mean that things are becoming more ego-laden.
It’s really just the opposite…… as the outer layers of ourselves are stripped away……… as we get down to the heart of the matter……. to the cosmic cores of our personhood……. to the I Am.
This could happen in a flash……. or it could take centuries of psychological time……. depending, one might suppose, on how tough our shell is.
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I wonder what stories might be told about the emergence of the Sun ……
How did it correlate with the emergence of biology?
I’m suggesting that personhood is the forerunner of all life.
Prior to the I Am, there were only scraps of sentience.
When did space and time emerge?
Phenomenological versions of space and time emerged with games.
The Sun and Moon would have been co-dependent arising.
Space and time would have existed prior to that.
Historical time didn’t emerge until rather late.
When did the day become separated from the night?
This separation may have been codependent with our acquisition of bodies……. along with the emergence of space, of course.
When speaking of emergence, I’m speaking of a logical sequencing….. not historical.
This is the BPWH alternative to Darwin.
A distinction is maintained between logical/primordial time and historical time.
Phenomenological time emerged with games, as previously noted.
(cont………)
…… How did it correlate with the emergence of biology?
I’m suggesting that personhood is the forerunner of all life.
Prior to the I Am, there were only scraps of sentience.
When did space and time emerge?
Phenomenological versions of space and time emerged with games.
The Sun and Moon would have been co-dependent arising.
Space and time would have existed prior to that.
Historical time didn’t emerge until rather late.
When did the day become separated from the night?
This separation may have been codependent with our acquisition of bodies……. along with the emergence of space, of course.
When speaking of emergence, I’m speaking of a logical sequencing….. not historical.
This is the BPWH alternative to Darwin.
A distinction is maintained between logical/primordial time and historical time.
Phenomenological time emerged with games, as previously noted.
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Poor Gary…… and the rest of the scientific community,
They struggle to find a purely objective handle on reality.
There is none.
Reality is inter subjective……. interpersonal……. all the way up, and all the way down.
However, once you pass that subjective threshold, you are face to face with the Eschaton.
Heaven forbid!!
Sorry, Heaven demands the Eschaton!
The Eschaton is just the obverse of the Genesis.
From our individual, historical perspective, the Eschaton looks like a big deal.
But, sub specie aeternitatis, it is no biggie.
The Eschaton is the most natural thing in the world.
Get over it…… get used to it.
Time makes no sense without a beginning and end…… the Alpha and Omega.
A Narrative makes no sense without a beginning and end.
All of history is intimately entangled with the Eschaton……. with the Alpha and Omega.
We’d look really funny
without them.
Within a very few years, the portals
will open, and the sky 
will fall on our noggins.
Is this a big deal?
Only from our most parochial perspectives.
…………
I just had to explain to two that I’m a monist and not a dualist, particularly when it comes good v evil.
I would have supposed he might have picked up on this, after 35 years of conversations!
But, no, this was like a news flash.
The whole system is designed to exacerbate the problem of good v evil.
We are not intended to be able to solve this problem on this side of Eternity.
The illusion of good v evil is what just what keeps gears
of Creation turning.
I keep saying that God is a drama
Queen.
Where would our drama be without a very strong aroma of good v evil
?
Everyone loves to talk about a conspiracy of evil.
A conspiracy of goodness…….? How boring!!
The entire prophetic tradition sells itself as the ultimate triumph of good
over evil .
Sorry, but that’s a soap opera.
The real show is about Truth over Ignorance.
Can Ignorance be personified?
Can the Abyss be personified?
It’s the only thing that can’t be, because it doesn’t exist in any positive sense.
Can Truth be personified……..?.
That is the Question
.
The Truth has been very cleverly hidden.
Many would say……. will say that God has been too clever….. by half!
Me……? I humbly submit that God may have the best possible amount of cleverness……...
No. She just took a page
out of Tom Sawyers’ book 
.
She managed to entangle the Astronomers and Paleontologists in her show and tell performance.
Was that fair…….. hoodwinking us like that?
Hey, it kept many of us off the streets…… for centuries.
(cont……..)
They struggle to find a purely objective handle on reality.
There is none.
Reality is inter subjective……. interpersonal……. all the way up, and all the way down.
However, once you pass that subjective threshold, you are face to face with the Eschaton.
Heaven forbid!!
Sorry, Heaven demands the Eschaton!
The Eschaton is just the obverse of the Genesis.
From our individual, historical perspective, the Eschaton looks like a big deal.
But, sub specie aeternitatis, it is no biggie.
The Eschaton is the most natural thing in the world.
Get over it…… get used to it.
Time makes no sense without a beginning and end…… the Alpha and Omega.
A Narrative makes no sense without a beginning and end.
All of history is intimately entangled with the Eschaton……. with the Alpha and Omega.
We’d look really funny
without them. Within a very few years, the portals
will open, and the sky will fall on our noggins. Is this a big deal?
Only from our most parochial perspectives.
…………
I just had to explain to two that I’m a monist and not a dualist, particularly when it comes good v evil.
I would have supposed he might have picked up on this, after 35 years of conversations!
But, no, this was like a news flash.
The whole system is designed to exacerbate the problem of good v evil.
We are not intended to be able to solve this problem on this side of Eternity.
The illusion of good v evil is what just what keeps gears
of Creation turning. I keep saying that God is a drama
Queen. Where would our drama be without a very strong aroma of good v evil
? Everyone loves to talk about a conspiracy of evil.
A conspiracy of goodness…….? How boring!!
The entire prophetic tradition sells itself as the ultimate triumph of good
over evil . Sorry, but that’s a soap opera.
The real show is about Truth over Ignorance.
Can Ignorance be personified?
Can the Abyss be personified?
It’s the only thing that can’t be, because it doesn’t exist in any positive sense.
Can Truth be personified……..?
. That is the Question
. The Truth has been very cleverly hidden.
Many would say……. will say that God has been too clever….. by half!
Me……? I humbly submit that God may have the best possible amount of cleverness……..
. Has God just outdone herself?Two things fill the mind with ever new and increasing admiration and awe, the more often and steadily we reflect upon them: the starry heavens above me and the moral law within me.
No. She just took a page
out of Tom Sawyers’ book . She managed to entangle the Astronomers and Paleontologists in her show and tell performance.
Was that fair…….. hoodwinking us like that?
Hey, it kept many of us off the streets…… for centuries.
(cont……..)
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What isn't allowed?
What isn't allowed?
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Gary,
Thank you for reminding us of David Deutsch.
I didn’t know what to make of David.
I thought he was some sort of intellectual flake or gadfly.
But this time, in perusing his constructor theory, yet again, I’m beginning to think he might be angling onto the BPW from a rather novel starting position.
Maybe he can be slightly modified to get to the BPWH in an academically acceptable fashion.
That would be something novel, now, wouldn’t it be?
The only problem is that David is too much embedded in the post-Copernican system.
He’s starting from the Big Bang…….. rather, he should be starting from the cosmic Quantum……. the quantum observer…… the I Am……. the cosmic potency.
All we have to do is connect Deutsch with Nick Bostrom.
They are both at Oxford, for Pete’s sake.
The big barrier is that they are both heavily into strong AI.
It seems that academia has terminally sold its soul to the gods of AI….. at bargain basement prices.
And that is made easier by the fact that academia is also running scared from religion.
For how long can the intellectuals keep hiding
behind the ivy covered walls?
Hey, chick is not complaining……. all the more for the rest of us.
And, hey, again, here we are, staring straight into the face of the Katechon.
How innocent it looks.
What is it that makes the cosmic Self to be self-limiting?
………
The cosmic Self is self-limiting only in the quantitative sense.
The quantitative infinity is totally
impersonal.
…………
The rule of personhood puts an automatic brake on any process that is not self-contained.
Ok, but how?
How is the impersonal constrained?
It is constrained ontologically.
The impersonal is non-being.
Personhood is tantamount to being-hood.
Is there such a thing as animal-hood?
………..
Try googling Being……. it is a revelation…….
For example, see……. https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/spacetime-bebecome/ …… where Being is associated with Presentism.
To be is an ability to be present.
To be present is an ability to be.
To be present is tantamount to having presence, qv.
A presence verges on the numinous.
Rudolph Otto describes the numinous as the wholly other.
I beg to differ.
If something were wholly other, how could it also be present?
The numinous is defined as being something super-sensory.
It is something that shakes us to our depths……. it is present to us….. beyond the ordinary…….. giving it a paranormal quality.
Animals can be numinous under the aegis of animism and totemism.
Is that not an example of the wholly other…….. eg Moby Dick?
Moby Dick had a presence…… conveyed by Herman Melville through Captain Ahab.
…………
And what does Moby Dick have to do with Constructor Theory?
Constructor theory seems to have spun off from quantum computing.
What is the link between constructors and actuators?
(cont……..)
Thank you for reminding us of David Deutsch.
I didn’t know what to make of David.
I thought he was some sort of intellectual flake or gadfly.
But this time, in perusing his constructor theory, yet again, I’m beginning to think he might be angling onto the BPW from a rather novel starting position.
Maybe he can be slightly modified to get to the BPWH in an academically acceptable fashion.
That would be something novel, now, wouldn’t it be?
The only problem is that David is too much embedded in the post-Copernican system.
He’s starting from the Big Bang…….. rather, he should be starting from the cosmic Quantum……. the quantum observer…… the I Am……. the cosmic potency.
All we have to do is connect Deutsch with Nick Bostrom.
They are both at Oxford, for Pete’s sake.
The big barrier is that they are both heavily into strong AI.
It seems that academia has terminally sold its soul to the gods of AI….. at bargain basement prices.
And that is made easier by the fact that academia is also running scared from religion.
For how long can the intellectuals keep hiding
behind the ivy covered walls? Hey, chick
is not complaining……. all the more for the rest of us. And, hey, again, here we are, staring straight into the face of the Katechon.
How innocent it looks.
What is it that makes the cosmic Self to be self-limiting?
………
The cosmic Self is self-limiting only in the quantitative sense.
The quantitative infinity is totally
impersonal. …………
The rule of personhood puts an automatic brake on any process that is not self-contained.
Ok, but how?
How is the impersonal constrained?
It is constrained ontologically.
The impersonal is non-being.
Personhood is tantamount to being-hood.
Is there such a thing as animal-hood?
………..
Try googling Being……. it is a revelation…….
For example, see……. https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/spacetime-bebecome/ …… where Being is associated with Presentism.
To be is an ability to be present.
To be present is an ability to be.
To be present is tantamount to having presence, qv.
A presence verges on the numinous.
Rudolph Otto describes the numinous as the wholly other.
I beg to differ.
If something were wholly other, how could it also be present?
The numinous is defined as being something super-sensory.
It is something that shakes us to our depths……. it is present to us….. beyond the ordinary…….. giving it a paranormal quality.
Animals can be numinous under the aegis of animism and totemism.
Is that not an example of the wholly other…….. eg Moby Dick?
Moby Dick had a presence…… conveyed by Herman Melville through Captain Ahab.
…………
And what does Moby Dick have to do with Constructor Theory?
Constructor theory seems to have spun off from quantum computing.
What is the link between constructors and actuators?
(cont……..)
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Dan wrote:What is the link between constructors and actuators?
INTENT: manifestation of Consciousness applied
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I heard the Princess was involved in Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings. Did you watch? She will not release any more via Disney.
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Lol I watched, it was kinda fun.
The ending song in the credits was called Fire in the Sky.
That and the Hotel California bit was probably the best parts of that movie.
I really liked the villain too though, found him very relatable.
The ending song in the credits was called Fire in the Sky.
That and the Hotel California bit was probably the best parts of that movie.
I really liked the villain too though, found him very relatable.
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Cyrellys wrote:Dan wrote:What is the link between constructors and actuators?
INTENT: manifestation of Consciousness applied
Indeed, just ask Duncan Cameron, if he's still kicking.
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