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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?
Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin
With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.
Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.
So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?
And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?
Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.
Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.
So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?
And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?
Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.
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U wrote:Cyrellys wrote:Dan wrote:What is the link between constructors and actuators?
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Indeed, just ask Duncan Cameron, if he's still kicking.
I've read a little bit of Cameron a few years ago and thought he's on the same track as some of the old drui concepts...rediscovering. Dan sometimes too. But with a modern depth and possible applications to it.
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If you believe the lore he indeed put Montauk to a stop right quick.
It was like a mini Dulce.
But with a little too much Portal action.
I've never been able to confirm this but a little bird told me that Duncan's old bud Preston Nichols built the studio that the legendary producer Rick Rubin used to record many modern rock and roll classics.
Apparently ol Preston was an adept of the art of sound.
It was like a mini Dulce.
But with a little too much Portal action.
I've never been able to confirm this but a little bird told me that Duncan's old bud Preston Nichols built the studio that the legendary producer Rick Rubin used to record many modern rock and roll classics.
Apparently ol Preston was an adept of the art of sound.
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I’m suspecting that Vladdie is using Nazism as a code word for materialism.
If he ever said materialism, it would give the whole eschatological game away.
Historically, Nazism was an attempt to thwart secular humanism, without resorting to Christianity.
From this perspective, Nazism and secular humanism are just two different versions of paganism.
Scientism is paganism by another name.
…………
Everything that’s not personal is pagan, in my humble estimation.
Pythagoreanism is making an idol of mathematics.
Most physicists are Pythagoreans.
Pagans always talk about gods, but then they have the temerity to capitalize the ‘G’.
They have no clue about the I Am……. about cosmic consciousness….. about the unity of consciousness……. about the unity of the transpersonal.
They have no clue about the interpersonal.
Yes, there are three persons in one substance, and the substance is wholly interpersonal.
The I Am is necessarily interpersonal.
The transpersonal is simply the qualitative infinitude of the interpersonal.
The interpersonal is the ground of personhood.
Is that setting up an infinite regress?
That is just the point.
(cont………)
If he ever said materialism, it would give the whole eschatological game away.
Historically, Nazism was an attempt to thwart secular humanism, without resorting to Christianity.
From this perspective, Nazism and secular humanism are just two different versions of paganism.
Scientism is paganism by another name.
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Everything that’s not personal is pagan, in my humble estimation.
Pythagoreanism is making an idol of mathematics.
Most physicists are Pythagoreans.
Pagans always talk about gods, but then they have the temerity to capitalize the ‘G’.
They have no clue about the I Am……. about cosmic consciousness….. about the unity of consciousness……. about the unity of the transpersonal.
They have no clue about the interpersonal.
Yes, there are three persons in one substance, and the substance is wholly interpersonal.
The I Am is necessarily interpersonal.
The transpersonal is simply the qualitative infinitude of the interpersonal.
The interpersonal is the ground of personhood.
Is that setting up an infinite regress?
That is just the point.
(cont………)
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Putin could use nuclear weapon if he felt war being lost – US intelligence chief
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Avril Haines says Russian leader could see prospect of Ukraine defeat as existential threat, potentially triggering escalation
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Nazism was basically a pagan philosophy.
Materialism is a pagan philosophy, in that it is anti-personal.
Modernism is secular humanism……. is scientific materialism.
Putin is avoiding coming out against science.
Putin is coming out against pagans.
In that regard, Putin is my hero.
Modernism is paganism.
Modernism is against the Logos.
The Logos is our only antidote to paganism/materialism.
Should pagans be bombed?
Of course not!
All we have to do is throw a little Holy water on them, and they will melt.
But that’s not Putin’s job.
Putin is just the ante-Christ.
Putin is just putting the pagans on notice.
……….
Donald Trump is a pagan.
The so called right to life movement is a modern form of paganism.
They try to elevate fetushood above personhood.
They are trying to game the Logos.
While the cat is away, the mice will play……. politics.
The cat is coming back.
The Truth is coming back……. and none too soon.
……….
The Princess and I are having a little argument about Aristotle.
My humble claim is that Aristotle is the most boring philosopher…… ever.
Furthermore, Aristotle is the King of the pagans.
Is chick
about to bet the Farm?
(cont…….)
Materialism is a pagan philosophy, in that it is anti-personal.
Modernism is secular humanism……. is scientific materialism.
Putin is avoiding coming out against science.
Putin is coming out against pagans.
In that regard, Putin is my hero.
Modernism is paganism.
Modernism is against the Logos.
The Logos is our only antidote to paganism/materialism.
Should pagans be bombed?
Of course not!
All we have to do is throw a little Holy water on them, and they will melt.
But that’s not Putin’s job.
Putin is just the ante-Christ.
Putin is just putting the pagans on notice.
……….
Donald Trump is a pagan.
The so called right to life movement is a modern form of paganism.
They try to elevate fetushood above personhood.
They are trying to game the Logos.
While the cat is away, the mice will play……. politics.
The cat is coming back.
The Truth is coming back……. and none too soon.
……….
The Princess and I are having a little argument about Aristotle.
My humble claim is that Aristotle is the most boring philosopher…… ever.
Furthermore, Aristotle is the King of the pagans.
Is chick
about to bet the Farm? (cont…….)
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Commenting on your post would be like dignifying it, at least on some level. Not all that you say is offensive but some parts of it made me nauseous. Nonetheless, when it comes to Putin, not only is he possessed by the devil, but, in my humble opinion, he would burst into flames if sprinkled with Holy Water.
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99,
I’m sorry to distress you.
There will be many aspects of the Eschaton that are distressing.
Some preliminary distress will help to alleviate what will be coming in the next few years.
There will be a gradual buildup, an acclimation, if you will.
There is reason to suspect that the pandemic was also part of the acclimation.
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I’m sorry to distress you.
There will be many aspects of the Eschaton that are distressing.
Some preliminary distress will help to alleviate what will be coming in the next few years.
There will be a gradual buildup, an acclimation, if you will.
There is reason to suspect that the pandemic was also part of the acclimation.
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dan wrote:There is reason to suspect that the pandemic was also part of the acclimation.
I'm sure it was... I mean, it's something that I've been wondering about. Anyway, thanks for the feedback on my last post.
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Putin is only a man.
So was Trump.
Lift back the curtain like in The Wizard of Oz and you will see who they really are!
If either of them were to burst into flames by being sprinkled with holy water it would give them too much credit.
It's the people who maintain their own threads on this specific webpage who would indeed burst into flames when faced with such a challenge in my humble opinion.
Myself included.
But some more than others.
Putin is only a man.
So was Trump.
Lift back the curtain like in The Wizard of Oz and you will see who they really are!
If either of them were to burst into flames by being sprinkled with holy water it would give them too much credit.
It's the people who maintain their own threads on this specific webpage who would indeed burst into flames when faced with such a challenge in my humble opinion.
Myself included.
But some more than others.
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U, if you have the time, you might want to check out this dramatization/documentary on fascism. If you haven't seen it already, you may learn a few things.
Here's a Wiki write-up about it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Third_Wave_(experiment)
An excellent analysis of The Wave experiment.
You can rent the 2011 German version of The Wave on You Tube... with English subtitles. Here's that link.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tnBz4285Kg
Here's a Wiki write-up about it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Third_Wave_(experiment)
An excellent analysis of The Wave experiment.
You can rent the 2011 German version of The Wave on You Tube... with English subtitles. Here's that link.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tnBz4285Kg
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99,
The Third Reich of Germany, was originally based the Joachimite prophecy of the advent of the Third Age….. the Age of the Spirit……. more recently designated as the Aquarian Age.
There has also been the fundamentalist pushback against the New World Order (NWO) as exemplified by the United Nations
and other globalist institutions……. even against the European Union 
…… not to mention the United States 
……. seen as representing the Antichrist.
I guess international Communism was the original anti-Christian, utopian movement.
This same ‘conservative’ pushback is seen in the anti-communist, anti-secular humanist, anti-population control movements…… etc, or against any who would dare to immanentize the Eschaton/Millennium/Utopia.
Such is the modern residue of the messianic aspect of the prophetic tradition.
It might be surprising that there has been relatively little pushback against Transhumanism or the idea of the technological singularity, etc.
The Amish seem to have defined the pushback against modernism…… eschewing technological developments…… post Anno Domini, and not participating in any aspect of secular government or military.
And let’s not forget the Haredim and Islamic fundamentalists.
All of this provides us with a context for attempting to understand the Putin phenomenon.
Keep in mind that Putin would be the last one to own up to any such interpretation of his Ukrainian adventure.
(cont……..)
The Third Reich of Germany, was originally based the Joachimite prophecy of the advent of the Third Age….. the Age of the Spirit……. more recently designated as the Aquarian Age.
There has also been the fundamentalist pushback against the New World Order (NWO) as exemplified by the United Nations
and other globalist institutions……. even against the European Union …… not to mention the United States ……. seen as representing the Antichrist. I guess international Communism was the original anti-Christian, utopian movement.
This same ‘conservative’ pushback is seen in the anti-communist, anti-secular humanist, anti-population control movements…… etc, or against any who would dare to immanentize the Eschaton/Millennium/Utopia.
Such is the modern residue of the messianic aspect of the prophetic tradition.
It might be surprising that there has been relatively little pushback against Transhumanism or the idea of the technological singularity, etc.
The Amish seem to have defined the pushback against modernism…… eschewing technological developments…… post Anno Domini, and not participating in any aspect of secular government or military.
And let’s not forget the Haredim and Islamic fundamentalists.
All of this provides us with a context for attempting to understand the Putin phenomenon.
Keep in mind that Putin would be the last one to own up to any such interpretation of his Ukrainian adventure.
(cont……..)
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Dan,
On a more bare bones and raw level, Putin invaded Ukraine because he didn’t feel that he was getting the kind of honor, respect and attention he thought he deserved in the international political theater.
As large as Russia is, apparently it’s not large enough to contain his ego and wildly inflated sense of self-importance.
We can pontificate on why he invaded Ukraine till the cows come home but to get down to the itty-bitty core of this matter, for Putin, it’s all about Putin and how he thinks he should be the ruler of the world.
If he doesn’t get what he wants, he’ll destroy it.
This is an all or nothing proposition he’s working with. There are no in-betweens and there are no compromises.
On a more bare bones and raw level, Putin invaded Ukraine because he didn’t feel that he was getting the kind of honor, respect and attention he thought he deserved in the international political theater.
As large as Russia is, apparently it’s not large enough to contain his ego and wildly inflated sense of self-importance.
We can pontificate on why he invaded Ukraine till the cows come home but to get down to the itty-bitty core of this matter, for Putin, it’s all about Putin and how he thinks he should be the ruler of the world.
If he doesn’t get what he wants, he’ll destroy it.
This is an all or nothing proposition he’s working with. There are no in-betweens and there are no compromises.
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I readily admit that defending Putin is no easy task.
The fact is that we cannot give much credence to democracy on the eve of the Eschaton and prior to Disclosure.
I have very little conception of any social structure on the other side.
It is unlikely that there will be much call for any formality.
It may be that Putin is simply a paranoid egomaniac.
………..
I have some reason to suspect, and I certainly hope that Putin, like all of us, has an eschatological role to play……. and wittingly so.
He has certainly delivered a wake-up call to the Western alliance.
He has sundered our slumber of materialism.
But why not just go ahead with Disclosure, rather than bombing Ukraine?
Well, it might just be another way to delay the Eschaton.
………
We’ll have all eternity on the other side, so what’s the rush?
(cont……..)
I readily admit that defending Putin is no easy task.
The fact is that we cannot give much credence to democracy on the eve of the Eschaton and prior to Disclosure.
I have very little conception of any social structure on the other side.
It is unlikely that there will be much call for any formality.
It may be that Putin is simply a paranoid egomaniac.
………..
I have some reason to suspect, and I certainly hope that Putin, like all of us, has an eschatological role to play……. and wittingly so.
He has certainly delivered a wake-up call to the Western alliance.
He has sundered our slumber of materialism.
But why not just go ahead with Disclosure, rather than bombing Ukraine?
Well, it might just be another way to delay the Eschaton.
………
We’ll have all eternity on the other side, so what’s the rush?
(cont……..)
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David Deutsch: "I am opposed to that view."
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Gary,
Thanks for the video on Ufos and Werewolves, from The Basement Office.
I agree that the entire TTSA/tic-tac episode was meant only to muddy the Disclosure waters by invoking tales of ET astronauts.
But, on the other hand, it was probably necessary to eliminate the ETH before we could get serious about the IDH.
It is noteworthy that, of the 20 million allocated to Bigelow, only 3% went to studying the ufo phenomenon. The rest went to the paranormal…… resulting in the extensive TV series on Skinwalker.
As for David Deutsch, he will never be able to grasp immaterialism, so long as he hitches his wagon to scientific cosmology.
It is virtually impossible for anyone with an academic career to steer around the big world hypothesis…….big world =>> small mind.
The only question before him is to explain any mind at all!
He has to resort to the notion of “strong emergence”, which he fails to distinguish from “weak emergence”.
Once you take emergence seriously, you are committed to teleology…… and you can’t invoke teleology apart from a Telos.
There cannot be a Telos without a Source…. without an I Am….. etc……
The academics cannot betray the tenets of secular humanism.
This brings us right back to the necessity of a Vladimir Putin to wake us from our slumber
of materialism.
(cont……..)
Thanks for the video on Ufos and Werewolves, from The Basement Office.
I agree that the entire TTSA/tic-tac episode was meant only to muddy the Disclosure waters by invoking tales of ET astronauts.
But, on the other hand, it was probably necessary to eliminate the ETH before we could get serious about the IDH.
It is noteworthy that, of the 20 million allocated to Bigelow, only 3% went to studying the ufo phenomenon. The rest went to the paranormal…… resulting in the extensive TV series on Skinwalker.
As for David Deutsch, he will never be able to grasp immaterialism, so long as he hitches his wagon to scientific cosmology.
It is virtually impossible for anyone with an academic career to steer around the big world hypothesis…….big world =>> small mind.
The only question before him is to explain any mind at all!
He has to resort to the notion of “strong emergence”, which he fails to distinguish from “weak emergence”.
Once you take emergence seriously, you are committed to teleology…… and you can’t invoke teleology apart from a Telos.
There cannot be a Telos without a Source…. without an I Am….. etc……
The academics cannot betray the tenets of secular humanism.
This brings us right back to the necessity of a Vladimir Putin to wake us from our slumber
of materialism. (cont……..)
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Referring to vid in post 519.
Greenstreet is a video producer for the US State Dept. Enough said.
Greenstreet is a video producer for the US State Dept. Enough said.
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The implication that Greenstreet is a mouthpiece for the government is evidently incorrect.
Do you wish to defend the TTSA initiative?
If you wish to argue that the small world hypothesis is false, go right ahead, but please state your intention, first.
………..
Before Disclosure is possible, we have to soften up the globalist hegemon……. the NWO, which we may identify with the Katechon.
It appears that Vladimir may not be able to do this on his own, not even with the backing of Xi.
In that case, Disclosure might have to be put on a fast track.
We could still be focusing on the 2024 election cycle.
(cont……..)
The implication that Greenstreet is a mouthpiece for the government is evidently incorrect.
Do you wish to defend the TTSA initiative?
If you wish to argue that the small world hypothesis is false, go right ahead, but please state your intention, first.
………..
Before Disclosure is possible, we have to soften up the globalist hegemon……. the NWO, which we may identify with the Katechon.
It appears that Vladimir may not be able to do this on his own, not even with the backing of Xi.
In that case, Disclosure might have to be put on a fast track.
We could still be focusing on the 2024 election cycle.
(cont……..)
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He works for the gov't and, as far as I'm concerned, his information is not trustworthy. But that's not the only reason why he's not to be trusted and here's one of them from Reddit:
"Greenstreet is first and foremost a writer for the New York Post. If you don't know what the NYP is, look it up. It's a tabloid that sells by running flashy and dramatic sounding stories. Greenstreet, as far as I can tell, has no real interest in UFOs - not in the way we do. He has an interest in controversial stories that will get clicks and get people talking. See his past political reporting around Trump and Clinton.
So at first, he got people talking by being into UFOs. Now that there hasn't been any news on that front in a while, he's stirring things up by challenging all of his audience with bad-faith arguments. But he's smart enough to know that won't drive his audience away: it will reinvigorate engagement, which is ultimately all he (and his employer) are concerned with.
He's a troll, and he's making money off all of us arguing. As always with trolls, just don't engage."
Another post from Reddit:
"Steven Greenstreet is the biggest and worst troll in this scene, and he doesn’t even hide it. He’s the type of guy that hits you in the face with his fist and then calls the cops on you..
..and then sells the story to the press and harass your family and plays the victim card..
..and then…. ok you got it.
There are hoaxers and frauds in this scene, but Greenstreet is straight scum"
"Greenstreet is first and foremost a writer for the New York Post. If you don't know what the NYP is, look it up. It's a tabloid that sells by running flashy and dramatic sounding stories. Greenstreet, as far as I can tell, has no real interest in UFOs - not in the way we do. He has an interest in controversial stories that will get clicks and get people talking. See his past political reporting around Trump and Clinton.
So at first, he got people talking by being into UFOs. Now that there hasn't been any news on that front in a while, he's stirring things up by challenging all of his audience with bad-faith arguments. But he's smart enough to know that won't drive his audience away: it will reinvigorate engagement, which is ultimately all he (and his employer) are concerned with.
He's a troll, and he's making money off all of us arguing. As always with trolls, just don't engage."
Another post from Reddit:
"Steven Greenstreet is the biggest and worst troll in this scene, and he doesn’t even hide it. He’s the type of guy that hits you in the face with his fist and then calls the cops on you..
..and then sells the story to the press and harass your family and plays the victim card..
..and then…. ok you got it.
There are hoaxers and frauds in this scene, but Greenstreet is straight scum"
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dan wrote:The implication that Greenstreet is a mouthpiece for the government is evidently incorrect.
I disagree with you on that. Sorry
But as far as TTSA is concerned, I don't know the whole story on that one so until more information comes out about it, I'm definitely on the fence about it. There are too many holes in the existing narrative about it for me to have a truly informed opinion if the whole set-up was to mislead... or not.
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