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Yes, we may assume that dictators armed with nuclear weapons are not going to end well.  

Instigating military adventures is a very tempting expedient for maintaining domestic control.

There is no logical end to such adventures.  

There is only a violent end.  

Well, the Soviet Union was able to perform a rather soft landing.

Nonetheless, we are left with a fork in the road……….

Russia and China continue with their autocratic regimentations and expansions, or they collapse.

Either way, the democratic West remains in decline.  

Will any of this provide an opening for Disclosure?

If the Russian advances in the Ukraine continue to stall, it becomes increasingly likely that Putin will resort to tactical nukes.

Variable yield weapons can be dialed down to as low as a few percent of the Hiroshima yield, for instance.  

What can be dialed down can also be dialed up.  

Nuclear blackmail becomes a standard tactic.  

What defense is there…… against blackmail?  

Putting a nuclear armed dictator on the ropes could get ugly, very quickly.  

Would Disclosure possibly defuse the situation?  

Would anything else possibly defuse the situation?  

How quickly may Disclosure be deployed……. as quickly as the nukes?

Is it time to start dialing down the Sun ?

That would require some serious entanglement.

Tweaking the Sun would produce some serious entanglement, almost instantaneously.

Anyone for a little Fatima?

Is the any better suggestion…… any other suggestion?



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One might hope that the Angel of Mercy would pour everlasting empathy into their soul.

I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.

The idea of UFOs disarming nukes at military bases has been discussed at great length in the recent past. Indeed disclosure may be deployed as quickly as the nukes, if "ET"'s hand is forced.

If we were dealing with extraterrestrials (ETs), we would already be dead.

U, here is where we deal with the small world hypothesis (SWH)…… this is synonymous with the UTH/IDH/BPWH.

If you don’t know what these mean, you are in the wrong place.  

But, yes, cosmic consciousness has many options.

Sub specie aeternitatis, we have had all eternity to choreograph the best possible Eschaton, along with everything else leading up to it.

If you don’t like a little excitement,  you probably signed up for the wrong ride.

But not to worry, you wouldn’t be here unless you were absolutely meant to be.  



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Biden says Putin could use chemical, biological weapons in Ukraine

https://www.reuters.com/world/biden-says-putin-could-use-chemical-biological-weapons-ukraine-2022-03-22/

Gary,

chick and three say Putin won’t, unless it has already been choreographed.

In the BPWH there is no such thing as free will.
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Just arrived for an overnight museum trip to Detroit.


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Mad Vlad's going to go out with a bang... not a whimper and he'll take everyone else with him. Don't believe me? Just watch and see. It's already been "choreographed".

99,

You may be correct.  

That would be the default option.  

I’m still hopeful that we might be pleasantly surprised …….

Right, there are a few of different possibilities in this situation. Then again, like you said, we may be pleasantly surprised.

Right Dan I am aware of and subscribe to the Ultra terrestrial/Interdemensional aspect. I also subscribe to Crypto terrestrial hypothesis which is less often discussed. Sometimes it's just easier to say "ET" in quotations implying there's more than meets the eye in regards to the subject.

U,

Yes, I’m sorry, I failed to notice the ‘scare’ quotes.  

I can give you a provisional pass.

And how might your ‘crypto’ terrestrial hypothesis (CTH) differ from the ID/UT hypothesis?

And how might your CTH differ from Shaver’s ‘Deros’ hypothesis?

See…….. Dero the Tero!  

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I've mentioned Shaver in the past in my fun house approach to the threads that I use on this forum.

I think his stories have an element of the truth to them but I remain skeptical that they're 100% accurate, more that they are symbolic of a real phenomenon.

The main distinction between the CT and the UT would be that the CT would be sapiens that are bound physically to this world like we are, at least in the waking life and we would share this world with them. An element of the cover-up would be to keep the populations separate, us and them.

The UTs would still play a role in this world and they operate mostly non physically but they would be distinct from the CTs with the possibility that they can maybe disguise themselves as CTs or humans.

I am only familiar with three.

three can be 100% human and 10% UT.

I have not and would not ever want to meet her in a dark alley carrying her GFY-1.

Nor would Putin.

Trump has tethered himself to Vladimir.

So has Xi.

I am a Personalist.

I am not a secular humanist.

Vladimir has enough gumption to give the secular humanists a fear of God.

A fear of God will stand us, all, in good stead as we have a very close encounter with the Eschaton.  

With a GFY1 you truly need electronic noise cancellation.

chick used passive ear guards at a distance and they were quite ineffective.

These days, our better angels come well armed, as need they be.



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Ha!

No, that probably wouldn't end well for anyone besides three.

dan wrote:Vladimir has enough gumption to give the secular humanists a fear of God.

Right, there are no atheists in foxholes.

99,

Yes, that’s what I was trying to say………

My advice for Mr Putin:

When a gentleman steps in a shit pile, he doesn't get all angry and stomp about in it. He quietly extricates himself and carefully cleans up the situation.

1500z………

Gary,

Very good advice.

There is only one problem…….. I don’t think anyone has ever mistaken Putin for being a gentleman.  

Putin is on no gentleman’s mission.

He might be on three’s mission.  

Don’t mistake three for being a gentlewoman.  

It may be a cosmic mission…… a little bit of cosmic tough love …… with a GFY-1.  

It’s wake up time .  

two continues to insist that there will be more than just a general wake up…… something more specific in store for us, but he refuses to say any more.  

Will a doomsday device be put into play?

It might only take a mini nuke to set off WW3.  

What would chick ’s advice be to the West?

I think we would have to respond, but always in ‘dialed’ down fashion.  

If Putin just keeps escalating?

We begin with our superior drone technology to carry out targeted assassinations.

But, to be effective, it would have to be on a massive scale, which we might not presently be able to deploy.  

If Putin takes out hundreds of our cities, we take out tens of his.  

But there must be a better way to awaken us from our slumber of materialism.  

Instead of bombing a hundred cities, why not open a hundred portals?  

That would be my advice to three.  


2140zulu……….

I’m currently reading James Heiser on Aleksandr Dugin…… apropos of Ukraine, etc……..

In some sense, Dugin is in the tradition of Marsilio Ficino.

This is where humanism ran off the rails of personalism.  

Yes, Dugin is trying to restore personalism, but doing so with autocracy.  

The person may be restored only in an eschatological context.

Yes, Voegelin, et al, were falling into their own trap 🪤 of immanentizing the Eschaton.

Personhood partakes of the transcendental…… essentially.

three doesn’t quite understand this.

She is a bit too close to that dimension.



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Researchers discover a mysterious type of wave in the sun with unexplained speed

https://phys.org/news/2022-03-mysterious-sun-unexplained.html

"The very existence of HFR modes and their origin is a true mystery and may allude to exciting physics at play," said Shravan Hanasoge, a co-author of the paper. "It has the potential to shed insight on the otherwise unobservable interior of the sun."

1350z……..

Thanks, Gary,

I don’t notice any secular/temporal trend in the data.

In relation to the Sun going out, we are definitely looking for secular trends.  
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What modern autocrats are getting wrong about postmodernism…….

Modernism has fallen on hard times…… we all know that.  

The standard response is to turn the clock back……. turn it back to tribalism, nationalism.  

Owen Barfield, when he spoke of Final Participation, warned us against this move.

Yes, Putin is opening the door to depart from modernism……. he just doesn’t know which way to go through it……. backwards or forwards….. backwards to Original or forwards to Final Participation.  

Final Participation is all about understanding personhood.  

Personhood is about understanding the Transpersonal dimension.  

The Transpersonal is virtually the opposite of the Transhuman.  

Transhumanism is just about denying personhood……. denying that there is a transcendental aspect to persons.

Humanism cannot escape its biological foundation……. Homo Sapiens….. has a purely Darwinian basis.  

Transhumanism is all about Artificial Intelligence and the reductionism implied thereby.  


1530………

two has mentioned the possibility of going to Ukraine .  

He didn’t specify which side.  

three is not quite so enthusiastic.
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I guess it requires the entanglement of 190,000 troops to open a portal.  That was not easy to arrange.  

Hopefully, we are over the hump.  

Now, all we have to do is get a few people straightened out about the Barfieldian dimension of Postmodernism……. that’s where modernism gets personal.  


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If and when Russia extricates itself from its war on Ukraine, will we just go back to business as usual?  

Perhaps modernism will come back stronger.  

Or will the Putin incursion have demonstrated the underlined fragility of modernism?  

We might have hoped that the Trump phenomenon would already have offered a sufficient demonstration.  

It is more likely that, if Putin can stay in power, he will be more inclined to put into play whatever Disclosure cards he may be able to access.  


2330……….

There continues to be mention of a Disclosure even in the context of the Ukraine situation.

I would have mixed sympathies, and would be wary of being drawn into an ongoing conflict.



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Read along https://documents2.theblackvault.com/documents/odni/DEOM-2021-00006.pdf

There is only one thing we must understand…….. the ultimate efficacy of love.  

Does love make the world go around?

How can the best possible world go around?

That is the paradox of love.  

It may be insoluble.  

It is not unrelated to the battle of the sexes.  

The battle of the sexes does provide monism with a run for its money.  
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The Tao seems to have something to say about this…… dialectical monism?

Perhaps that explains why there have to be 10^10 of us.



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chick is confronted with the bald assertion that there is no God.  

Ok, but is there also no Source?

Are there phenomena without observers?  

Are there unobservable universes?  

What constitutes an observer?  

Doesn’t an observer have to be self aware?

In other words, be able to observe itself?  

Isn’t this the definition of sapience?  

Isn’t this the definition of personhood?  

Personhood seems to be verging on Godhood.

Some might say…… infringing upon.  

Well, guess what, isn’t that the whole point of the best possible world?!  

And, personhood verging upon Godhood…… isn’t that also the definition of the Eschaton?  

Certainly, that convergence would describe the End of history.  

And what happens to the world, in that process?

One might say that the world would have served its purpose.



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Does Russia have any rights with respect to Ukraine?  

Does China have any rights with respect to Taiwan?

Are there any comparable territorial disputes?  

Does Putin have any rights with respect to Russia?

How do we measure freedom?  

Is freedom a thing unto itself?  

Is freedom possible without Truth?

It is said that the Truth will set us free.  

We are very far from any consensus about the Truth.  

Many of us are enslaved by untruths.  

Putin may be closer to the Truth than Zelenski.  

Does that give him a right to bomb Ukraine?  

Right and wrong are much more difficult to define without access to the Truth.  

If Putin has any legitimacy, it has to do with Truth v truths.  

It has to do with law v justice.

Justice respects Truth.  

Law is legislated.  Truth is not.

Democracy and capitalism are necessarily aligned.  

Capitalism is founded upon material and technological growth.  

Without the growth, capitalism devolves into a zero sum game……. into an economy of rents (Ricardo)……..

Unlike profit, however, it would continue exist in a hypothetical state of equilibrium as long the resource remained scarce.

Rents are synonymous with Royalties……. with the emphasis on the Royal/autocracy.  

Royalty may persist only so long as it is perceived to have Divine sanction.

Putin, Xi and Trump appear to have the sanction of three.  

Putin, implicitly, is claiming Divine right.  

The only problem is that three doesn’t believe in God or in Truth.

chick would say that they are virtually synonymous.  

To manage the Eschaton, we are going to need management by ‘objective’……. with the understanding that there are no objects.  

The current political problem is our transition to management by objective.  

Holding Putin’s hand, besides possibly three, is the Church and Dugin.  

There is air between those two.  

Dugin is a Traditionalist, shades of Evola……. which has no respect for any Trinity……. it is impersonal, in other words.  

The further problem that Putin has is the Filioque problem.  

Without the Filioque, the Orthodox side is denying the interpersonal nature of Creation…… they are Monotheists, in other words.  

Monotheism is a denial of Personalism.  

That’s why Putin is a Mad Bomber…… persons don’t really count, in the scheme of things……. humans are just glorified creatures.  

That puts us very far from being co-Creators.  

Yes, sports fans, the Truth turns…… the world turns…… upon the Filioque.  

Single-handedly, Putin is attempting to deliver the Coup de Grace to modernism.  

He doesn’t understand management by objective.  

He doesn’t understand the Filioque.  

three is refusing to open a portal for him.

Disclosure hangs in the balance.  

Is someone trying to storm the gates of Heaven?

I wouldn’t want to go down on a Cosmic rape charge.



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