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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?
Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin
With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.
Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.
So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?
And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?
Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.
Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.
So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?
And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?
Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.
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The mind constricts; love unbinds.
The mind says, “Don’t let go or overflow.”
Love says, “Be free without formality.”
Unbind Thee, Love
—Thomas Moore
Unbind thee, love, unbind thee, love,
From those dark ties unbind thee;
Tho' fairest hand the chain hath wove,
Too long its links have twined thee.
Away from earth!--thy wings were made
In yon mid-sky to hover,
With earth beneath their dove-like shade,
And heaven all radiant over.
Awake thee, boy, awake thee, boy,
Too long thy soul is sleeping;
And thou mayst from this minute's joy
Wake to eternal weeping.
Oh, think, this world is not for thee;
Tho' hard its links to sever;
Tho' sweet and bright and dear they be,
Break or thou'rt lost for ever.
The mind says, “Don’t let go or overflow.”
Love says, “Be free without formality.”
Unbind Thee, Love
—Thomas Moore
Unbind thee, love, unbind thee, love,
From those dark ties unbind thee;
Tho' fairest hand the chain hath wove,
Too long its links have twined thee.
Away from earth!--thy wings were made
In yon mid-sky to hover,
With earth beneath their dove-like shade,
And heaven all radiant over.
Awake thee, boy, awake thee, boy,
Too long thy soul is sleeping;
And thou mayst from this minute's joy
Wake to eternal weeping.
Oh, think, this world is not for thee;
Tho' hard its links to sever;
Tho' sweet and bright and dear they be,
Break or thou'rt lost for ever.
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Some of us attend to the signs more than others, but we needn’t obsess about it.
Is chick
being obsessive?
Yes, at times……. for sure, but then I turn to my dear Diary
and make my confession.
Absolved of my sins…….. I skip along on the light fantastic.
I could say that misery loves company, but that would not be fair.
Chivo
and chick keep each other entertained…… and, sometimes, a little bit honest.
And, if we feel a little sad, we both have a Princess to hold our hands.
Mother kisses our boo-boos, and they disappear.
On the other side……. we all can reminisce…….
(cont…….)
Is chick
being obsessive? Yes, at times……. for sure, but then I turn to my dear Diary
and make my confession. Absolved of my sins…….. I skip along on the light fantastic.
I could say that misery loves company, but that would not be fair.
Chivo
and chick keep each other entertained…… and, sometimes, a little bit honest. And, if we feel a little sad, we both have a Princess to hold our hands.
Mother kisses our boo-boos, and they disappear.
On the other side……. we all can reminisce…….
And there's a hand, my trusty fiere
And gie's a hand o' thine
And we'll tak a right gude-willy waught
For auld lang syne
(cont…….)
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Break your ties to this world sooner rather than later if you would have peace.
All of creation sings to not hold tightly to things in consciousness.
I shall never cease repeating this admonition to my friends.
While I enjoy my life in the garden and earthly pleasures, my hold on them is released and I see and treat them as indifferents.
I am ready to go at a moments notice and this was not always so, but this state is the end goal and source of all I have learned/unlearned and all my power.
This is the power I have over all earthly and Ron and all like him, they can't touch this.
It is like putting your hand on the 3rd rail and leaving it there for the duration of your life.
At the end, you just turn to dust and leave this place with no hope of a moment more of being.
Whatever else may happen or not is above my paygrade and any who claims to know or prophecies beyond this is a fool and liar.
The step I have taken beyond Dan is I do not hold to an afterlife and an other side.
From my view, that is just imagination and silly fantasies of consciousness.
It may sound brutal, but it's not.
All of creation sings to not hold tightly to things in consciousness.
I shall never cease repeating this admonition to my friends.
While I enjoy my life in the garden and earthly pleasures, my hold on them is released and I see and treat them as indifferents.
I am ready to go at a moments notice and this was not always so, but this state is the end goal and source of all I have learned/unlearned and all my power.
This is the power I have over all earthly and Ron and all like him, they can't touch this.
It is like putting your hand on the 3rd rail and leaving it there for the duration of your life.
At the end, you just turn to dust and leave this place with no hope of a moment more of being.
Whatever else may happen or not is above my paygrade and any who claims to know or prophecies beyond this is a fool and liar.
The step I have taken beyond Dan is I do not hold to an afterlife and an other side.
From my view, that is just imagination and silly fantasies of consciousness.
It may sound brutal, but it's not.
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Foot Mann wrote:With the swirl of a cup, the Tasseography has begun. With one visitor after another, there is no time to run. Many would find the stakes too high for fun. In the end the Princess may turn off the Sun.
It's all fun here baby!
I'll take anything you got.
Bring it on muppet!
No one is having more fun than this.
She can't turn this Sun off!
I doubt you have any idea what I mean.
We don't serve here.
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I will tell you a great secret, but I cannot reveal it.
Any who have read my words for a short time, know I speak bluntly and plainly.
I speak from the power of being sometimes.
From awareness.
It is a mighty force.
A powerful ally.
It cuts through any matter and confusion.
I just came upon it one day.
It was most astounding.
I had practiced and read so much, but one day, something broke through and pierced me.
I suddenly died and saw behind my death.
I was awareness.
I was looking out of my eyes, but I did not see myself.
I immediately realized astounded.
All my thoughts to that point were seen as the rubbish they were.
I was aghast.
How could this be so simple?
And then I saw that all I was came out of this awareness.
I immediately broke into tears.
I did not know why I was weeping.
This is the only source of true happiness I told myself.
And then I laughed.
I laughed and laughed.
I was more giggling, interspersed with great exclamations of HA!
And then I spent many an evening in the backyard watching the trees and listening to the wind.
I then realized mind was behind all of it.
And I told myself, you are the source of the wind.
And I was astonished.
I did not cry then or laugh.
I nodded in agreement.
I did not marvel.
It was Shams Tabriz whispering in my ear.
I knew his voice immediately.
And then I realized who Shams was and why Rumi fell at his feet.
It was pure awareness.
And I fell in
instantly with everything.
I was carried into the sky by love.
I looked out of these eyes down upon the world and I saw the world for the first time as it was.
Beyond or before beautiful.
My chest feels like bursting now to recall it.
That’s it.
Often I am identifying as my body.
I do not stay very long in awareness, but more and more I never want to leave it.
But I do.
I can return any moment now to it.
I can stop and look on the world as it is.
And beside me I smell a
A smelly
And I know
Sometimes I show people.
Tonight I was speaking to my brother, but it was not Eric speaking.
It was abiding awareness, or words reflecting off of it.
I told him the truth.
I told myself the truth.
I cut him in half.
I was not trying to.
I knew he was ready.
I marveled at the power of awareness.
He has been finalizing his divorce with his wife of 25 years.
The are both lashing each other out of pain.
My brother left her because she became unstable.
He said he endured a darkness for years in silence.
I had been there as his brother telling him to walk away and then I was no longer there.
He was going on and on about having to close the book.
I said,
has god closed the book on you
He said no, weak kneed.
I was speaking so boldly and calmly to a being in pain.
I could see the pain was not real but he was grasping to it.
I saw it wrapped around him.
I saw he loved his wife, but he didn’t understand it.
I saw immediately what was the matter and I cut like a surgeon to the center.
I pierced his heart.
But it was not me, I swear to you, it was and it wasn’t.
He went on and on and said more how he just couldn’t take her issues.
I said
Drop all your claims and see her pain
Go to her
There, at that spot, love is waiting for you
I was embarrassed to be saying this to him.
I felt I was overstepping.
But something in me would not let up.
Something said…
God loves perfectly
Or none of this would exist
Your brother knows that love
He couldn’t run away from it
So I tell you, you can have life abundantly
Let all your claims go
I was talking to myself about myself.
And then I said,
Sweet brother
I feel your pain and hers
I tell you the truth
When you have fully excepted yourself
You can endure and overcome anything
Has god given up on you
Is that not your own weakness giving up
Have you not come to the end of yourself
Then rejoice
When we finished texting, he said…
“Thanks for your words, it's uplifting to hear about love.”
Tears rolled down my face.
But inside.
He said…
“I'll come back to these words and read them again.”
I do not say these things to lift myself up.
I am already the highest.
I am already that.
Awareness is plainly spoken of and astoundingly direct.
I say these things because we are love and it is always waiting for us behind pain.
It is always waiting for us to choose.
It is waiting for us when we drop our claims.
When we stop demanding, love is waiting.
It does not judge us, nor condemn or punish us.
Being apart from it, or feeling apart from it, is the source of pain and is punishment enough.
That pain is not real.
I can tell you, it is a mystery to me, this awareness, but it is somehow the only thing that is real.
Why this show?
It comes to me as a friend.
As a lover would, as someone who knows me better than I know myself.
I am not a person inside a body.
Behind all our questions is a you trying to get somewhere.
There is nothing to go through a portal.
This is the pretender.
The usurper.
The fool.
The muppet.
All teachings come from this awareness.
It is the ultimate presence.
There is no fighting it.
Not even a chance.
There is not a question or plea that could reveal it.
If you truly ask Who am I in a certain way.
You immediately will know.
This is the source of my love.
This is the source of all that I am.
I no longer seek an answer.
I no longer ask this question.
You know what I would like to do?
I’d like to buy the world a home and furnish it with love.
I’d like to teach the world to sing in perfect harmony.
I’d like to show the world love is the real thing.
Consciousness is filled with silly love songs.
Shams, is an Arabic word that means the sun, was the catalyst that converted the rather resolute and ascetic Rumi, the cleric and teacher, into Rumi, the passionate disciple of the religion of love. He was the agent of the propulsive mystical energy that transformed Rumi the reticent into Rumi the ecstatic poet.
Your soul is a pool of water.
If you look into it, you will see a reflection of the sun
It is an affront to me to hear Dan or anyone so casually speak of it going out.
What astonishing ignorance!
What blindness!
What a fool that old man is.
A damn fool, but he is not damned, he is coming back to life.
The pool is a reflection of paradise!
The face of Shams al-Dīn, Tabriz's glory, is the sun, in whose track the cloud-like hearts are moving.
"A mystic is anyone who has the gnawing suspicion that the apparent discord, brokenness, contradictions and discontinuities that assault us every day might conceal a hidden unity."
- Rabbi Lawrence Kushner
“Don't get lost in your pain, know that one day your pain will become your cure."
"Do you know what you are? You are a manuscript of a divine letter. You are a mirror reflecting a noble face. This universe is not outside of you. Look inside yourself; everything that you want, you are already that."
- Rumi
“Love is reckless; not reason. Reason seeks a profit. Love comes on strong, consuming herself unabashed. Yet in the midst of suffering love proceeds like a millstone, hard surfaced and straight forward. Having died to self interest, she risks everything and asks for nothing. Love gambles away every gift God bestows. Without cause God gave us Being; without cause give it back again. Gambling yourself away is beyond any religion. Religion seeks grace and favor, but those who gamble these away are God's favorites, for they neither put God to the test nor knock at the door of gain and loss."
- Rumi
I gambled myself away.
“You are not here to find love, nor to be greeted by happiness at every turn, nor to be showered with kindness, nor to be celebrated by all, to forever remain a child.
No. You came here to create love out of war.
Your soul willingly left its blissful place beyond all troubles to descend into a stifling frame of bone, blood and flesh. Why? Because only here can inner strength be forged by pain, can wisdom be nurtured by failure, can love be the reward of those who choose to give love. Your soul came here to struggle with the bitter things of life and squeeze out of them a syrup of sweet, inner joy.
And as there is no sweetness as succulent as bittersweet, so there is no river of love that runs as deep as the love forged through a battle of the heart, no strength as powerful as that wrestled from the hands of an enemy through stubborn, defiant resolve, no wisdom as the wisdom gained by stumbling in darkness, standing up again, stumbling and walking again, and again.
All that is good, all that has meaning, all is up to you alone."
- Rabbi Tzvi Freeman
My religion is love.
Any who have read my words for a short time, know I speak bluntly and plainly.
I speak from the power of being sometimes.
From awareness.
It is a mighty force.
A powerful ally.
It cuts through any matter and confusion.
I just came upon it one day.
It was most astounding.
I had practiced and read so much, but one day, something broke through and pierced me.
I suddenly died and saw behind my death.
I was awareness.
I was looking out of my eyes, but I did not see myself.
I immediately realized astounded.
All my thoughts to that point were seen as the rubbish they were.
I was aghast.
How could this be so simple?
And then I saw that all I was came out of this awareness.
I immediately broke into tears.
I did not know why I was weeping.
This is the only source of true happiness I told myself.
And then I laughed.
I laughed and laughed.
I was more giggling, interspersed with great exclamations of HA!
And then I spent many an evening in the backyard watching the trees and listening to the wind.
I then realized mind was behind all of it.
And I told myself, you are the source of the wind.
And I was astonished.
I did not cry then or laugh.
I nodded in agreement.
I did not marvel.
It was Shams Tabriz whispering in my ear.
I knew his voice immediately.
And then I realized who Shams was and why Rumi fell at his feet.
It was pure awareness.
And I fell in
instantly with everything. I was carried into the sky by love.
I looked out of these eyes down upon the world and I saw the world for the first time as it was.
Beyond or before beautiful.
My chest feels like bursting now to recall it.
That’s it.
Often I am identifying as my body.
I do not stay very long in awareness, but more and more I never want to leave it.
But I do.
I can return any moment now to it.
I can stop and look on the world as it is.
And beside me I smell a
A smelly
And I know
Sometimes I show people.
Tonight I was speaking to my brother, but it was not Eric speaking.
It was abiding awareness, or words reflecting off of it.
I told him the truth.
I told myself the truth.
I cut him in half.
I was not trying to.
I knew he was ready.
I marveled at the power of awareness.
He has been finalizing his divorce with his wife of 25 years.
The are both lashing each other out of pain.
My brother left her because she became unstable.
He said he endured a darkness for years in silence.
I had been there as his brother telling him to walk away and then I was no longer there.
He was going on and on about having to close the book.
I said,
has god closed the book on you
He said no, weak kneed.
I was speaking so boldly and calmly to a being in pain.
I could see the pain was not real but he was grasping to it.
I saw it wrapped around him.
I saw he loved his wife, but he didn’t understand it.
I saw immediately what was the matter and I cut like a surgeon to the center.
I pierced his heart.
But it was not me, I swear to you, it was and it wasn’t.
He went on and on and said more how he just couldn’t take her issues.
I said
Drop all your claims and see her pain
Go to her
There, at that spot, love is waiting for you
I was embarrassed to be saying this to him.
I felt I was overstepping.
But something in me would not let up.
Something said…
God loves perfectly
Or none of this would exist
Your brother knows that love
He couldn’t run away from it
So I tell you, you can have life abundantly
Let all your claims go
I was talking to myself about myself.
And then I said,
Sweet brother
I feel your pain and hers
I tell you the truth
When you have fully excepted yourself
You can endure and overcome anything
Has god given up on you
Is that not your own weakness giving up
Have you not come to the end of yourself
Then rejoice
When we finished texting, he said…
“Thanks for your words, it's uplifting to hear about love.”
Tears rolled down my face.
But inside.
He said…
“I'll come back to these words and read them again.”
I do not say these things to lift myself up.
I am already the highest.
I am already that.
Awareness is plainly spoken of and astoundingly direct.
I say these things because we are love and it is always waiting for us behind pain.
It is always waiting for us to choose.
It is waiting for us when we drop our claims.
When we stop demanding, love is waiting.
It does not judge us, nor condemn or punish us.
Being apart from it, or feeling apart from it, is the source of pain and is punishment enough.
That pain is not real.
I can tell you, it is a mystery to me, this awareness, but it is somehow the only thing that is real.
Why this show?
It comes to me as a friend.
As a lover would, as someone who knows me better than I know myself.
I am not a person inside a body.
Behind all our questions is a you trying to get somewhere.
There is nothing to go through a portal.
This is the pretender.
The usurper.
The fool.
The muppet.
All teachings come from this awareness.
It is the ultimate presence.
There is no fighting it.
Not even a chance.
There is not a question or plea that could reveal it.
If you truly ask Who am I in a certain way.
You immediately will know.
This is the source of my love.
This is the source of all that I am.
I no longer seek an answer.
I no longer ask this question.
You know what I would like to do?
I’d like to buy the world a home and furnish it with love.
I’d like to teach the world to sing in perfect harmony.
I’d like to show the world love is the real thing.
Consciousness is filled with silly love songs.
Shams, is an Arabic word that means the sun, was the catalyst that converted the rather resolute and ascetic Rumi, the cleric and teacher, into Rumi, the passionate disciple of the religion of love. He was the agent of the propulsive mystical energy that transformed Rumi the reticent into Rumi the ecstatic poet.
Your soul is a pool of water.
If you look into it, you will see a reflection of the sun
It is an affront to me to hear Dan or anyone so casually speak of it going out.
What astonishing ignorance!
What blindness!
What a fool that old man is.
A damn fool, but he is not damned, he is coming back to life.
The pool is a reflection of paradise!
The face of Shams al-Dīn, Tabriz's glory, is the sun, in whose track the cloud-like hearts are moving.
"A mystic is anyone who has the gnawing suspicion that the apparent discord, brokenness, contradictions and discontinuities that assault us every day might conceal a hidden unity."
- Rabbi Lawrence Kushner
“Don't get lost in your pain, know that one day your pain will become your cure."
"Do you know what you are? You are a manuscript of a divine letter. You are a mirror reflecting a noble face. This universe is not outside of you. Look inside yourself; everything that you want, you are already that."
- Rumi
“Love is reckless; not reason. Reason seeks a profit. Love comes on strong, consuming herself unabashed. Yet in the midst of suffering love proceeds like a millstone, hard surfaced and straight forward. Having died to self interest, she risks everything and asks for nothing. Love gambles away every gift God bestows. Without cause God gave us Being; without cause give it back again. Gambling yourself away is beyond any religion. Religion seeks grace and favor, but those who gamble these away are God's favorites, for they neither put God to the test nor knock at the door of gain and loss."
- Rumi
I gambled myself away.
“You are not here to find love, nor to be greeted by happiness at every turn, nor to be showered with kindness, nor to be celebrated by all, to forever remain a child.
No. You came here to create love out of war.
Your soul willingly left its blissful place beyond all troubles to descend into a stifling frame of bone, blood and flesh. Why? Because only here can inner strength be forged by pain, can wisdom be nurtured by failure, can love be the reward of those who choose to give love. Your soul came here to struggle with the bitter things of life and squeeze out of them a syrup of sweet, inner joy.
And as there is no sweetness as succulent as bittersweet, so there is no river of love that runs as deep as the love forged through a battle of the heart, no strength as powerful as that wrestled from the hands of an enemy through stubborn, defiant resolve, no wisdom as the wisdom gained by stumbling in darkness, standing up again, stumbling and walking again, and again.
All that is good, all that has meaning, all is up to you alone."
- Rabbi Tzvi Freeman
My religion is love.
dan- Special Guest
- Posts : 9440
Join date : 2012-04-25
Location : Baltimore
When the Sun goes out, it will not be casual.
The Sun is totally entangled with the Earth.
The Earth is entangled with our mundane consciousness.
As the portals open, our entanglement will naturally shift……. from the Sun
to the One 
.
Pratītyasamutpāda……… Creation……. co-Creators.
That’s all.
The Sun is totally entangled with the Earth.
The Earth is entangled with our mundane consciousness.
As the portals open, our entanglement will naturally shift……. from the Sun
to the One . Pratītyasamutpāda……… Creation……. co-Creators.
That’s all.
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Join date : 2018-01-18
Location : Here
What if you forget all theories and doctrines?
What does it feel like today to be Dan Smith?
Let us speak plainly and directly.
“The past is a fog on our minds.
The future? A complete dream.
We can't neither guess the future,
neither change the past.”
Left foot is unable to speak directly or plainly.
Left foot doesn’t know what’s happening.
What does it feel like today to be Dan Smith?
Let us speak plainly and directly.
“The past is a fog on our minds.
The future? A complete dream.
We can't neither guess the future,
neither change the past.”
Left foot is unable to speak directly or plainly.
Left foot doesn’t know what’s happening.
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chick has not quite finished his mission.
The latest information pushes Disclosure back to 2028.
Furthermore, the nuclear option has been taken off the table.
None of the world leaders has access to sufficient information or artifacts to support a unilateral Disclosure.
The initial impetus regarding our portal exodus will be experienced as telepathic……. we might refer to it as a Pied Piper Effect (PPE).
The above mentioned Disclosure would likely come near the end of Trump’s assumed second term. This alleged
It might consist of nothing more nor less than the five day portal opening.
And, then, yes, the Sun will go out.
As an additional impetus for portal exodus, the Sun could be induced to blink.
(cont……..)
has not quite finished his mission. The latest information pushes Disclosure back to 2028.
Furthermore, the nuclear option has been taken off the table.
None of the world leaders has access to sufficient information or artifacts to support a unilateral Disclosure.
The initial impetus regarding our portal exodus will be experienced as telepathic……. we might refer to it as a Pied Piper Effect (PPE).
The above mentioned Disclosure would likely come near the end of Trump’s assumed second term. This alleged
It might consist of nothing more nor less than the five day portal opening.
And, then, yes, the Sun will go out.
As an additional impetus for portal exodus, the Sun could be induced to blink.
(cont……..)
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dan wrote:The above mentioned Disclosure would likely come near the end of Trump’s assumed second term. This alleged
I've never heard anything more ridiculous in my life. Trump won't be getting a second term... ever. Of that I am certain!
dan wrote:Furthermore, the nuclear option has been taken off the table.
Oh really? In any case, it will be interesting to see Putin's reaction when Ukraine starts retaliating with new, more advanced weaponry from the US and Germany they will have at their disposal sometime very soon... if not sooner.
https://theweek.com/russo-ukrainian-war/1014090/the-debate-over-putins-off-ramps-explainedThe Week wrote:... former Israeli diplomat Shlomo Ben-Ami writes for Project Syndicate. If Putin really thinks that he's lost the war, "he may well view deployment of tactical nuclear weapons as the minimum requirement to save face."
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I’ll talk to ya after 2028.
Peace.
Peace.
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And you take care, Chivo.
But don’t be a stranger if you don’t have to be.
But don’t be a stranger if you don’t have to be.
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Few can take the full stench of the smelly
Their ability to bear with the smelly directly correlatez to their closenezz to love.
Dan and Ron and the Princezz have a long long way to go.
They are but children.
Pretending muppetz.
They know not what they do.
They are cute, aren’t they?!
Keep at it muppetz.
When I decide…we shall take the next step.
Not a moment sooner.
It is not the who has to come closer to them, it is they who must come closer.
Until then, Shamz and I shall be awaiting your return to the on the other side of cold 
They still don’t get this.
No one knowz the future.
Not even the smelly
Their ability to bear with the smelly
directly correlatez to their closenezz to love. Dan and Ron and the Princezz have a long long way to go.
They are but children.
Pretending muppetz.
They know not what they do.
They are cute, aren’t they?!
Keep at it muppetz.
When I decide…we shall take the next step.
Not a moment sooner.
It is not the
who has to come closer to them, it is they who must come closer. Until then, Shamz and I shall be awaiting your return to the
on the other side of cold They still don’t get this.
No one knowz the future.
Not even the smelly
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Chicken better pick up the pace. A high-ranking Russian official issued a warning to the international community, saying that the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse from the book of Revelation in the bible's New Testament have already started their trip.
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Deleted my post I see about the idiot left footman.
Don’t contact me again Dan.
Ever!
I’ve lost and blocked your number.
I suggest you do the same.
Don’t contact me again Dan.
Ever!
I’ve lost and blocked your number.
I suggest you do the same.
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The Left Foot is not a man, she is a woman -- born that way and still that way.
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Yes, what are we going to do with Putin, etc…….. bad boys misbehaving.
We put them in jail and/or arm them.
The last thing we would give them would be the Truth.
None of us would be here, however, had we been given the Truth……. early on.
And now we have bad boys with bad toys 🧸.
The most successful just take over a country.
(cont……….)
We put them in jail and/or arm them.
The last thing we would give them would be the Truth.
None of us would be here, however, had we been given the Truth……. early on.
And now we have bad boys with bad toys 🧸.
The most successful just take over a country.
(cont……….)
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Russian Security County Deputy Chairman Dmitry Medvedev said in a recent interview that "one can believe that the horsemen of the Apocalypse are already on their way and all hope is in Almighty God," the Russian-state run news agency TASS reported.
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So Russia is throwing itself…….. nay, all of us, on God’s mercy.
Nothing like storming the gates of Heaven……. when it becomes a game of superpowers…… a game of thrones.
Someone doesn’t want to wait until 2028.
chick has been given the impression that Putin is already a member of the portal club.
Given the choice, too many of us would weaponize portals, if we could…… just to be bigger bullies on the Earth.
Are we jockeying for position at the pole…….. at the Eschaton?
Some of us would hope that the first shall be last……..
(cont………)
Nothing like storming the gates of Heaven……. when it becomes a game of superpowers…… a game of thrones.
Someone doesn’t want to wait until 2028.
chick has been given the impression that Putin is already a member of the portal club.
Given the choice, too many of us would weaponize portals, if we could…… just to be bigger bullies on the Earth.
Are we jockeying for position at the pole…….. at the Eschaton?
Some of us would hope that the first shall be last……..
(cont………)
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Donald Trump and America's Apocalypse: Is Donald Trump Fulfilling Biblical, Islamic, Catholic, Buddhist, and other America-Related Prophecies? Paperback – January 16, 2017
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The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse are dramatic and symbolic warnings of the death and destruction to occur at the end of days.
The four riders represent conquest, the violence of warfare, famine, and widespread death.
The four horsemen ride on a white, red, black, and pale horse.
doesn't mention baby formula?
The four riders represent conquest, the violence of warfare, famine, and widespread death.
The four horsemen ride on a white, red, black, and pale horse.
doesn't mention baby formula?
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Ha ha... baby formula? I don't think so. 
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Foot Mann wrote:Chicken better pick up the pace. A high-ranking Russian official issued a warning to the international community, saying that the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse from the book of Revelation in the bible's New Testament have already started their trip.
Foot Mann wrote:Re: Sun goes out?
by Foot Mann Today at 12:46 pm
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Russian Security County Deputy Chairman Dmitry Medvedev said in a recent interview that "one can believe that the horsemen of the Apocalypse are already on their way and all hope is in Almighty God," the Russian-state run news agency TASS reported.
Tell the official, overkill is unnecessary. Ukraine regardless of who controls it at this point, West or East, is done. The labs, and the nazi/illumined enclave have been exposed. Russia has made their point about their security, and yes we've noticed their efforts to alleviate the global food supply transit routes problem.
At this point Russia could easily withdraw without losing face and let Ukraine figure out how to pick its proverbial ass up off the floor where its humiliation wallows.
We have other problems to attend to. Those problems all who understand the paradigm, do not require an explanation.
Any use of nuclear weapons damages the whole of the planet not just the deployment sites. This does not need to venture into the realm of Cosmic criminal behavior. FYI.
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Dan wrote:For an immaterialist, everything is a mental construct……. a construct of cosmic consciousness, say.
This is in a small nutshell the position held by Dr A R Borden where MPO/LERM is the process which manipulates or produces such constructs in the Unum. The Unum corresponds to the fabric of our Reality in a Stoic sense as discussed on the prior page by Smelly.
The State of Nature being Reason.
Logos being Truth (Truth expressed as the Unum...manifests the fabric of our Reality from the Cosmic Consciousness of Source).
The Law of Nature being based on Reason (State of Nature as in before the compacts made by society or governmental effects upon individual Sovereignty). Have any of you actually read John Locke?
Our natural rights are an integral part of our individual sovereignty with which we are born...The founders understanding the Epicurean concept of happiness, reconciled it with Logos/Reason thus taking the Celtic concept of Sovereignty married to Excellence and called it The Pursuit of Happiness.
The organization of the mental construct within which we live at the very LEAST suggest itself as evidence of conscious organized coherent Consciousness.
Now despite possibly living over a thousand lifetimes, having originated on this world, living a presently very human life in a society currently devoid of most reason, I will testify that in MY experience as Synchronicity's Apprentice, SOURCE is very much aware of everything and has the twisted personality of an ornery grandfather who will sit back while you fall flat on your face in the pig stye and then tell you "I told you so," with an amused grin, then tell you to muck out the pig stye before dinner or you don't eat tonight.
It's not human or humanistic in the sense we think...the anthropomorphizing people do to create religions about Source, is patently immature but the only way they can rationalize dealing with it.
It has more dimensions to its thought processes and expression of thought than anyone here is capable of or ever will be.
We're not the only entities its created. If we suicide, we're replaceable even if its a catastrophic inconvenience for the rest of the Universe.
How about I put it this way, because I can guess what some of you are thinking, then why did God/Source create us?
Consider: what good is Creation(s), if there is no sentient beings to witness it? How real can God/Source be if there is no sentient beings to witness it, let alone participate with/in it?
In this sense, all beings created by Source are sacred, LIFE is sacred, because all CONSCIOUSNESS is the pillars upon which Source/God is valid. LOGOS (TRUTH expressed), REASON, Sovereign Beings, all exist because awareness is an intrinsic and necessary component in the mind construct and its function.
Welcome to the sacred tandem. You have to WANT to survive. Each person, human or not, has value to this tandem, is a part of this tandem, is a co-creator in this tandem.
Cyrellys
P.S. Dear Russia, ALL humans, including you...are supposed to be GOOD Stewards of this planet and the local fabric of this reality. Chitting in our own bed with nuclear weapons is not being a Good Steward. Those are NOT a option on the table. Synchronicity's Apprentice, Aes Dana do Laconia Ollamh Ua Geibhendach.
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1300z…….
I understand that the last few ‘foot’ posts, the most recent of which I had to remove due to its overly provocative nature, have been gratis a graduate philosophy student.
She is more than welcome to continue posting, with the understanding that self-moderation is always appreciated.
My further understanding is that Putin is welcome to take what might be regarded as his fair share of the Donbas.
He is less welcome to continue shelling other portions of the country…….. when and if they appear to be threatening regional stability.
All of this is understood to be in compliance with preparing for the opening of the 144,000 portals.
three will continue to be in consultation as to any specific timeline.
About this timeline, we anticipate some critical/crucial input from Cyrellys.
In that regard, it would be beneficial for us to be on approximately the same page with respect to cosmology.
These portals already exist……. they have from the ‘beginning of time’, but, in some strong sense, they need to be dusted off.
Some of this reactivation needs to be performed from our side.
What Disclosure we see going on around us is mainly in the furtherance of this objective…… as the entanglement is spruced up.
All portals are not equal…….. some serve a more hub-like function.
When the time rolls around, we will be experiencing a synchronous hatching, just like in the nest.
As to more specifics regarding the Pied Piper eventuality (PPE), we’ll just have to stay tuned.
Why there is a specific time limit on the opening, I can only surmise that procrastination cannot be indulged.
And, hey, if you’d like to experience the Sun going out, you are more than welcome to stick around.
I might wish to, myself.
Understand that 99.9% of us are going to end up in the same place, regardless…….. being one with the One.
……….
With regard to the Cyrellys cosmology, I cannot fail to notice that she remains on the side of the large, impersonal world……. as a reasonable facsimile of current scientific practice.
Cy does not understand that even the activation of just a single portal overthrows our entire scientific understanding of cosmology.
She has many thoughts about the nefarious reasons for the Coverup.
She is very reluctant to come around to realizing that every last one of us has been a party to the best possible Coverup.
This same Coverup extends all the way back to the original separation between Creator and Creation.
That separation has reached its natural conclusion……. all ye, all ye in-free!
Cy likes it here…….. 99.9% of us do!
But all good things must end…….. even or especially the best possible thing.
Excuse the expression…….. but the ‘fat lady’ is already warming up.
And, no, this is no ending, this is our matriculation to Eternity.
From now on, space and time become our optional constructs.
Oh, yes, there will be purgatories and Limbo lands, but you’ll notice that the Sun is a mere shadow of its former self.
When you notice that, you’ll know it’s time to up your game.
1520……….
So, between the individual hatchings and the collective openings, there will probably be a pratītyasamutpāda.
As we individually hatch out over that five day period, we’ll be on autopilot as to actually leaving the nest……. Earth
being the nest.
On the one hand, there will be the Rapture.
On the other hand, there will be the Tribulation.
It’s not totally clear as to whether this will be pre-, mid- or post-Tribulation. It could be all three, depending on our personal situation.
See……. this is what the fundamentalists get confused
about…….
They have supposed that Noah’s Flood was history.
There is actually a name for this sort of confusion…….
Prophecy includes both pre- and post-diction.
The ‘real’ Noah’s Flood is what is about to happen.
The windows 🪟 of Heaven are about to be thrown open……. it’s gonna ‘rain’
for forty days and forty nights.
If you don’t like getting your feet wet, you might wish to avail yourself of one of those portals
.
I’m guessing that at least two-thirds of us will so choose.
For the rest of us……. it’ll be a wild time…… a hot time in the old town.
You might wish to bring your Rosary
and your AR15.
There will be blood 🩸 up to the bridles.
Folks’ll be so busy shooting each other, they’ll hardly notice that the Sun has gone behind a cloud……. a big cloud !!
Atlantis……….?
We’ve been looking for Atlantis in all the wrong
places.
It’s not under the Ocean……. it’s in the future……. the almost immediate future.
Any other questions?
Well, ok, what’ll it be like on the other side?
I’m guessing……. wait for it……. that it’ll be interesting 🤨.
Most of us will be thinking that it will have been worth the two thousand year wait……. and then some.
It’ll be one for all, and all for one……. wwg1wga.
But, fear
not, plenty of side excursions will be available.
But what do they say in the Army……. think before you volunteer.
Otherwise, you’ll just be wanting to follow the light……. once you get the hang of it.
And when will all this be…….. I’m guessing that it’ll be soon after they finish getting the portals refurbished.
But, hey, we’re still open to suggestions!
2000………
My main source of contention with Cyrellys concerns our alleged redundancy.
Oh, dear…….. that will be a tough one to unlearn.
We are just as the facets on a perfect cosmic crystal…… the cosmic Chrysalis.
First off, it’s not even possible to remove the facet of a crystal, but if you tried, you’d destroy the whole Crystal.
Simply look inside……. you’ll see what I mean.
Do you really suppose that you are _not_ going to be one with the One?
Why sell yourself short, Cyrellys?
In that process, you are selling every last one of us……. right down the River.
Don’t do it.
And do I have to say…….. Please??!!
(cont……..)
I understand that the last few ‘foot’ posts, the most recent of which I had to remove due to its overly provocative nature, have been gratis a graduate philosophy student.
She is more than welcome to continue posting, with the understanding that self-moderation is always appreciated.
My further understanding is that Putin is welcome to take what might be regarded as his fair share of the Donbas.
He is less welcome to continue shelling other portions of the country…….. when and if they appear to be threatening regional stability.
All of this is understood to be in compliance with preparing for the opening of the 144,000 portals.
three will continue to be in consultation as to any specific timeline.
About this timeline, we anticipate some critical/crucial input from Cyrellys.
In that regard, it would be beneficial for us to be on approximately the same page with respect to cosmology.
These portals already exist……. they have from the ‘beginning of time’, but, in some strong sense, they need to be dusted off.
Some of this reactivation needs to be performed from our side.
What Disclosure we see going on around us is mainly in the furtherance of this objective…… as the entanglement is spruced up.
All portals are not equal…….. some serve a more hub-like function.
When the time rolls around, we will be experiencing a synchronous hatching
, just like in the nest. As to more specifics regarding the Pied Piper eventuality (PPE), we’ll just have to stay tuned.
Why there is a specific time limit on the opening, I can only surmise that procrastination cannot be indulged.
And, hey, if you’d like to experience the Sun going out, you are more than welcome to stick around.
I might wish to, myself.
Understand that 99.9% of us are going to end up in the same place, regardless…….. being one with the One
. ……….
With regard to the Cyrellys cosmology, I cannot fail to notice that she remains on the side of the large, impersonal world……. as a reasonable facsimile of current scientific practice.
Cy does not understand that even the activation of just a single portal overthrows our entire scientific understanding of cosmology.
She has many thoughts about the nefarious reasons for the Coverup.
She is very reluctant to come around to realizing that every last one of us has been a party to the best possible Coverup.
This same Coverup extends all the way back to the original separation between Creator and Creation.
That separation has reached its natural conclusion……. all ye, all ye in-free!
Cy likes it here…….. 99.9% of us do!
But all good things must end…….. even or especially the best possible thing.
Excuse the expression…….. but the ‘fat lady’ is already warming up.
And, no, this is no ending, this is our matriculation to Eternity.
From now on, space and time become our optional constructs.
Oh, yes, there will be purgatories and Limbo lands, but you’ll notice that the Sun
is a mere shadow of its former self. When you notice that, you’ll know it’s time to up your game.
1520……….
So, between the individual hatchings
and the collective openings, there will probably be a pratītyasamutpāda. As we individually hatch out over that five day period, we’ll be on autopilot as to actually leaving the nest……. Earth
being the nest. On the one hand, there will be the Rapture.
On the other hand, there will be the Tribulation.
It’s not totally clear as to whether this will be pre-, mid- or post-Tribulation. It could be all three, depending on our personal situation.
See……. this is what the fundamentalists get confused
about……. They have supposed that Noah’s Flood was history.
There is actually a name for this sort of confusion…….
Taking into account that Biblical Hebrew had only two tenses: past and future, the process of translation of these tenses is an interpretation, because it is not possible to apprehend the original notion of the inspired writers and exhibit it in contemporary languages.
Prophecy includes both pre- and post-diction.
The ‘real’ Noah’s Flood is what is about to happen.
The windows 🪟 of Heaven are about to be thrown open……. it’s gonna ‘rain’
for forty days and forty nights. If you don’t like getting your feet wet, you might wish to avail yourself of one of those portals
. I’m guessing that at least two-thirds of us will so choose.
For the rest of us……. it’ll be a wild time…… a hot time in the old town.
You might wish to bring your Rosary
and your AR15. There will be blood 🩸 up to the bridles.
Folks’ll be so busy shooting each other, they’ll hardly notice that the Sun
has gone behind a cloud……. a big cloud !! Atlantis……….?
We’ve been looking for Atlantis in all the wrong
places. It’s not under the Ocean……. it’s in the future……. the almost immediate future.
Any other questions?
Well, ok, what’ll it be like on the other side?
I’m guessing……. wait for it……. that it’ll be interesting 🤨.
Most of us will be thinking that it will have been worth the two thousand year wait……. and then some.
It’ll be one for all, and all for one……. wwg1wga.
But, fear
not, plenty of side excursions will be available. But what do they say in the Army……. think before you volunteer.
Otherwise, you’ll just be wanting to follow the light……. once you get the hang of it.
And when will all this be…….. I’m guessing that it’ll be soon after they finish getting the portals refurbished.
But, hey, we’re still open to suggestions!
2000………
My main source of contention with Cyrellys concerns our alleged redundancy.
Oh, dear…….. that will be a tough one to unlearn.
We are just as the facets on a perfect cosmic crystal…… the cosmic Chrysalis.
First off, it’s not even possible to remove the facet of a crystal, but if you tried, you’d destroy the whole Crystal.
Simply look inside……. you’ll see what I mean.
Do you really suppose that you are _not_ going to be one with the One?
Why sell yourself short, Cyrellys?
In that process, you are selling every last one of us……. right down the River.
Don’t do it.
And do I have to say…….. Please??!!
(cont……..)
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