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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?
Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin
With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.
Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.
So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?
And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?
Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.
Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.
So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?
And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?
Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.
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The Black Lodge of Avarian Adepti
Dark Disciples of Diabolical Disinformation
Aviary:
A buncha birds
Black Lodge Adepts intent on the utter destruction of UFOlogy
An ad-hoc dysfunctional family of disparate military/intelligence sp00ks who share an interest in UFOs and parapsychology yet often work at cross-purposes and frankly don't even get along with each other all that well.
Extremely weird birds
https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_aviary03.htm
Dark Disciples of Diabolical Disinformation
Aviary:
A buncha birds
Black Lodge Adepts intent on the utter destruction of UFOlogy
An ad-hoc dysfunctional family of disparate military/intelligence sp00ks who share an interest in UFOs and parapsychology yet often work at cross-purposes and frankly don't even get along with each other all that well.
Extremely weird birds
https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_aviary03.htm
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No Right Foot I am not Ryan.
That's fascinating stuff Dan and I appreciate you and Right Foot providing a little more detail.
It was a mystery that intrigued me quite a bit.
I can relate to having a big mouth
That's fascinating stuff Dan and I appreciate you and Right Foot providing a little more detail.
It was a mystery that intrigued me quite a bit.
I can relate to having a big mouth
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U,
Oh, good, then you’re not dangerous!
Oh, good, then you’re not dangerous!
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I never said that!
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Unlike U, I need no questions clarified.
There are none.
Imagine a muppet without questions.
That’s real danger
There are none.
Imagine a muppet without questions.
That’s real danger
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Well mine are Rhetorical so....
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A nine year old in Reykjavik.
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle.
Don’t immanentize the Eschaton.
Sun goes out.
vladdie has Crimea for breakfast.
The gales of November came early.
Buzz Lightyear with blue sky dreams.
Secular humanism.
The Katechon redivivus.
Lucy in the sky.
What rough beast?
We have forty nights.
We have a cosmic trigger.
Cat’s in the cradle.
The trigger is either the big frog or the Princess.
Or does the Princess kiss the frog?
Do we give Disclosure a chance?
Folks are playing their games as if there will be no tomorrow.
.
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle.
Don’t immanentize the Eschaton.
Sun goes out.
vladdie has Crimea for breakfast.
The gales of November came early.
Buzz Lightyear with blue sky dreams.
Secular humanism.
The Katechon redivivus.
Lucy in the sky.
What rough beast?
We have forty nights.
We have a cosmic trigger.
Cat’s in the cradle.
The trigger is either the big frog or the Princess.
Or does the Princess kiss the frog?
Do we give Disclosure a chance?
Folks are playing their games as if there will be no tomorrow.
.
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Gary,
How many light years between Travis and Reykjavik?
Somehow Travis does not seem ready for Reykjavik.
How many light years between Travis and Reykjavik?
Somehow Travis does not seem ready for Reykjavik.
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dan wrote:A nine year old in Reykjavik.
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle.
Don’t immanentize the Eschaton.
Sun goes out.
vladdie has Crimea for breakfast.
The gales of November came early.
Buzz Lightyear with blue sky dreams.
Secular humanism.
The Katechon redivivus.
Lucy in the sky.
What rough beast?
We have forty nights.
We have a cosmic trigger.
Cat’s in the cradle.
The trigger is either the big frog or the Princess.
Or does the Princess kiss the frog?
Do we give Disclosure a chance?
Folks are playing their games as if there will be no tomorrow.
.
Copying my style I see.
Some good chicken scratch.
My kind of weird.
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chick says nothing of his own impulse.
And, yes, there is something wrong with this picture.
The only one in the world giving even a slight credence to the BPWH is a smelly goat .
This sounds to chick like the perfect coverup.
No, it sounds like the best possible coverup.
But after the best possible coverup, what would be the best possible Disclosure?
I would like to see to a message coming through the Webb.
Wouldn’t that be possible?
If we can’t do that, what can we do?
What would be better?
What would be more subtle?
Why can’t three arrange for one to open a subtle portal?
But I’m really not a portal sort of guy.
Disclosure should mainly use the internet.
But sixteen years of OM prove that’s not gonna happen.
(cont……..)
And, yes, there is something wrong with this picture.
The only one in the world giving even a slight credence to the BPWH is a smelly goat .
This sounds to chick like the perfect coverup.
No, it sounds like the best possible coverup.
But after the best possible coverup, what would be the best possible Disclosure?
I would like to see to a message coming through the Webb.
Wouldn’t that be possible?
If we can’t do that, what can we do?
What would be better?
What would be more subtle?
Why can’t three arrange for one to open a subtle portal?
But I’m really not a portal sort of guy.
Disclosure should mainly use the internet.
But sixteen years of OM prove that’s not gonna happen.
(cont……..)
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Bahahaha
Dan, they are all asleep.
Listen to them snore
They get up and work for slave wages and listen to lunatics on the right and left not sure which way is up or down, left or right.
We have maximum confusion.
They repeat each other ad infinitum.
They are scared of their shadows.
The world couldn’t be farther from the sun right now if it tried.
People are dividing and fraying and splitting.
Man stabs man in the back.
Yet, even at our most separated, locked in a death spiral, the sun still rises and sets on our ignorance.
Love patiently simmers.
I’ve had a enough of life myself.
I’ll take all I can get, but I have lived and seen enough.
I only live for the ones I love and who love me now.
I forget myself more and more.
My Will to achieve has ebbed.
My Will to be just is.
The ignorance and bondage of others isn’t my problem or yours.
Why you persist is beyond me.
Crazy is my guess.
Dan, they are all asleep.
Listen to them snore
They get up and work for slave wages and listen to lunatics on the right and left not sure which way is up or down, left or right.
We have maximum confusion.
They repeat each other ad infinitum.
They are scared of their shadows.
The world couldn’t be farther from the sun right now if it tried.
People are dividing and fraying and splitting.
Man stabs man in the back.
Yet, even at our most separated, locked in a death spiral, the sun still rises and sets on our ignorance.
Love patiently simmers.
I’ve had a enough of life myself.
I’ll take all I can get, but I have lived and seen enough.
I only live for the ones I love and who love me now.
I forget myself more and more.
My Will to achieve has ebbed.
My Will to be just is.
The ignorance and bondage of others isn’t my problem or yours.
Why you persist is beyond me.
Crazy is my guess.
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two admits in utmost confidentiality that chick is the most sane person that he knows.
Well, he admitted once.
Everyone else is tied to one legacy or another.
It’s not what you know, it’s who you know.
In my day, I crossed paths with some of the smartest folks in the world.
And I realized that they were just going along.
They caught a lucky break, and that was it.
They didn’t walk on water.
The most sane person I know is three……. have ever met……
The contest is not even close.
………
Let there be no mistake….. chick caught a lucky break.
Luck……..?
Well, ok, but you know what I mean.
two tells everyone else that I’m crazy .
That I might not be is ATS…… is the most closely held secret 🤫 in the universe.
It does make me smile…….. I’ve met so many folks who would never have entertained the slightest doubt that they were a hundred times smarter.
Sometimes three tries to act dumb.
She doesn’t fool chick, not for a minute.
(cont……….)
Well, he admitted once.
Everyone else is tied to one legacy or another.
It’s not what you know, it’s who you know.
In my day, I crossed paths with some of the smartest folks in the world.
And I realized that they were just going along.
They caught a lucky break, and that was it.
They didn’t walk on water.
The most sane person I know is three……. have ever met……
The contest is not even close.
………
Let there be no mistake….. chick caught a lucky break.
Luck……..?
Well, ok, but you know what I mean.
two tells everyone else that I’m crazy .
That I might not be is ATS…… is the most closely held secret 🤫 in the universe.
It does make me smile…….. I’ve met so many folks who would never have entertained the slightest doubt that they were a hundred times smarter.
Sometimes three tries to act dumb.
She doesn’t fool chick, not for a minute.
(cont……….)
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You cannot reason with Don Quixote.
True love has no conditions he learns.
We all have to learn this.
We have to love the person we are too.
In Don Quixote there is an adventure where he hears about Marcela, a beautiful and wealthy woman who decided not to marry and live a shepherdess’s life. She was free and happy by herself. She made her decision.
When your truly love, you give everything.
Most of my life, I was not like Marcela. I was Don Quixote living in my own reality and yes, love is wanting the best for someone else, but also the best for you.
Leave revenge to love.
Leave doubt to love.
Leave your fear in love’s hands
This is all I have learned in this life.
If god asked me herself what I learned, I could only say, I learned to love by letting myself be loved and loving with all I had.
And love will stop the bombs too.
True love has no conditions he learns.
We all have to learn this.
We have to love the person we are too.
In Don Quixote there is an adventure where he hears about Marcela, a beautiful and wealthy woman who decided not to marry and live a shepherdess’s life. She was free and happy by herself. She made her decision.
When your truly love, you give everything.
Most of my life, I was not like Marcela. I was Don Quixote living in my own reality and yes, love is wanting the best for someone else, but also the best for you.
Leave revenge to love.
Leave doubt to love.
Leave your fear in love’s hands
This is all I have learned in this life.
If god asked me herself what I learned, I could only say, I learned to love by letting myself be loved and loving with all I had.
And love will stop the bombs too.
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I think MPH and Carl Jung are very wise.
Remember I was speaking about loneliness at the heart of what drives us to our worst?
What drives a fearful person?
A lack of control over the chaos of the world?
Fear.
The fearful have greatly shaped this world.
Fear is a powerful force.
The fear world is an illusion ultimately, a hell.
“The perpetual hesitation of the neurotic to launch out into life is readily explained by his desire to stand aside so as not to get involved in the dangerous struggle for existence. But anyone who refuses to experience life must stifle his desire to live – in other words, he must commit partial suicide.”
—Carl Jung, Symbols of Transformation
The outbreak of the neurosis functions in a prospective manner. It signals to us that the life path we are on is inconducive to our well-being, or as Jung wrote:
“The outbreak of the neurosis is not just a matter of chance. As a rule it is most critical. It is usually the moment when a new psychological adjustment, a new adaptation, is demanded.”
—Carl Jung, Freud and Psychoanalysis
What is needed is a new attitude – one which entails a “wholehearted dedication to life” (Carl Jung, Symbols of Transformation) and which makes “the powerful urge to develop [our] own personality. . .an imperative duty” (Carl Jung, Freud and Psychoanalysis) We must step off the sidelines of life and establish a uniform direction to our existence, in which we, and not others, are the final authority.
“All the [energy] that was tied up in family bonds must be withdrawn from the narrower circle into the larger one, because the psychic health of the adult individual, who in childhood was a mere particle revolving in a rotary system, demands that he should himself become the centre of a new system.”
—Carl Jung, Symbols of Transformation
“What direction the patient’s life should take in the future is not ours to judge. We must not imagine that we know better than his own nature, or we would prove ourselves educators of the worst kind…It is better to renounce any attempt to give direction, and simply to try to throw into relief everything that the analysis brings to light, so that the patient can see it clearly and be able to draw suitable conclusions. Anything he has not acquired himself he will not believe in the long run, and what he takes over from authority merely keeps him infantile. He should rather be put in the position to take his own life in hand.”
—Carl Jung, Some Crucial Points in Psychoanalysis
And in this regard, there is no formula for our deliverance, no advice that will turn the meek into the brave, rather as Jung wisely noted:
“…only boldness can deliver from fear. And if the risk is not taken, the meaning of life is somehow violated, and the whole future is condemned to hopeless staleness.”
—Carl Jung, Symbols of Transformation
Know Thyself, Be Thyself, Heal Thyself.
A person is cast off onto a lonely island of self when they leave the womb of love, but they don’t ever really leave.
What is a person to do?
Many hope and have faith in a protecting force, or they might face self destruction.
And so we have the birth of all religions.
A counter to the misery and chaos and ending of life.
Magick helps to renew this hope using symbols and elements from life.
What I can say about god and hope and faith is very simple.
This is what love is.
The source of our hope now is love.
A renewing love.
It has many forms.
A chimera.
A fractal always changing and growing.
A force.
A real force that we all know gives life its meaning for us.
Some play with words like myself and reduce love down to its basics and these provide the sacraments for humanities true religion.
Real love has to be experienced.
Words simply are pointers and echoes of the force we all are bound by as humans.
Some lose their awareness of love in a sea of darkness and these are our psychopaths.
Trauma can burn out our awareness of love.
But any part of love can spark it back up into a raging fire from an ember.
We suffered greatly before we found fire.
This fire is an analog for love, for hope in a protecting force, how could we avoid worshipping the things that made life good with all the shit in it, like the sun and moon, night and day, food and shelter and stories.
This goes all the way back to when awareness first dawned within us.
This is deep powerful stuff.
One can swim on the surface of love or dive deep into it.
To live as a human and to struggle and fear as we do, reveals our greatest treasure, the binding power and hope in love.
Like an old fashioned love song.
So instead of hoping for love, we are encouraged to embrace it now, where we are and gain instant freedom from circumstances.
The quality of our love, mirrors the quality of our lives.
Read about what people regret at death.
Learn from them.
It is not something you need to wait for or to hope for when deeply intuitively understood.
And somehow, this magickal force has countered all the terror.
That’s really something.
I am truly sad for those who do not know love.
If you do, if you have any awareness of this force, you have touched the face of god and felt it close.
“When you find peace and quiet in the midst of busyness and clamor, then towns and cities become mountain forests; afflictions are enlightenment, sentient beings realize true awakening… You have to actually experience stable peacefulness before you attain oneness; you cannot force understanding.”
—Zen Master Foyan
Nothing greater can be said on OMF or anywhere above this.
This is ultra top secret stuff.
Now, don’t hold onto my talk; each of you do your own work independently. You may contemplate the stories of the ancients, you may sit quietly, or you may watch attentively everywhere; all of these are ways of doing the work.
Everywhere is the place for you to attain realization, but concentrate on one point for days and months on end, and you will surely break through.
The spiritual light, shining independently,
Transcends the senses and objects;
The essence is revealed, real and eternal,
Not confined to written words.
The nature of mind has no stain;
It is basically complete of itself.
Just detach from false mental objects
And be enlightened to being-as-is.
What did the sages mean?
Something wonderful.
We have no better answers.
All else is just mental projection from the same point all humans occupy across time.
So coming back home is just coming back to this point.
I am still distracted at times from love.
It’s impossible not to be distracted with a body and a mind.
But something sits upon this throne.
I would argue that this true love we can know inside of us and experience is the Daimon, our true will.
Our best life is not won by chance, it is courageously grabbed ahold of and worked for, in spite of our fear.
This allows us to feel as if we have truly lived a meaningful life.
Dan talks about the BPW, but not so much how to live it, best way to live it is in love.
Remember I was speaking about loneliness at the heart of what drives us to our worst?
What drives a fearful person?
A lack of control over the chaos of the world?
Fear.
The fearful have greatly shaped this world.
Fear is a powerful force.
The fear world is an illusion ultimately, a hell.
“The perpetual hesitation of the neurotic to launch out into life is readily explained by his desire to stand aside so as not to get involved in the dangerous struggle for existence. But anyone who refuses to experience life must stifle his desire to live – in other words, he must commit partial suicide.”
—Carl Jung, Symbols of Transformation
The outbreak of the neurosis functions in a prospective manner. It signals to us that the life path we are on is inconducive to our well-being, or as Jung wrote:
“The outbreak of the neurosis is not just a matter of chance. As a rule it is most critical. It is usually the moment when a new psychological adjustment, a new adaptation, is demanded.”
—Carl Jung, Freud and Psychoanalysis
What is needed is a new attitude – one which entails a “wholehearted dedication to life” (Carl Jung, Symbols of Transformation) and which makes “the powerful urge to develop [our] own personality. . .an imperative duty” (Carl Jung, Freud and Psychoanalysis) We must step off the sidelines of life and establish a uniform direction to our existence, in which we, and not others, are the final authority.
“All the [energy] that was tied up in family bonds must be withdrawn from the narrower circle into the larger one, because the psychic health of the adult individual, who in childhood was a mere particle revolving in a rotary system, demands that he should himself become the centre of a new system.”
—Carl Jung, Symbols of Transformation
“What direction the patient’s life should take in the future is not ours to judge. We must not imagine that we know better than his own nature, or we would prove ourselves educators of the worst kind…It is better to renounce any attempt to give direction, and simply to try to throw into relief everything that the analysis brings to light, so that the patient can see it clearly and be able to draw suitable conclusions. Anything he has not acquired himself he will not believe in the long run, and what he takes over from authority merely keeps him infantile. He should rather be put in the position to take his own life in hand.”
—Carl Jung, Some Crucial Points in Psychoanalysis
And in this regard, there is no formula for our deliverance, no advice that will turn the meek into the brave, rather as Jung wisely noted:
“…only boldness can deliver from fear. And if the risk is not taken, the meaning of life is somehow violated, and the whole future is condemned to hopeless staleness.”
—Carl Jung, Symbols of Transformation
Know Thyself, Be Thyself, Heal Thyself.
A person is cast off onto a lonely island of self when they leave the womb of love, but they don’t ever really leave.
What is a person to do?
Many hope and have faith in a protecting force, or they might face self destruction.
And so we have the birth of all religions.
A counter to the misery and chaos and ending of life.
Magick helps to renew this hope using symbols and elements from life.
What I can say about god and hope and faith is very simple.
This is what love is.
The source of our hope now is love.
A renewing love.
It has many forms.
A chimera.
A fractal always changing and growing.
A force.
A real force that we all know gives life its meaning for us.
Some play with words like myself and reduce love down to its basics and these provide the sacraments for humanities true religion.
Real love has to be experienced.
Words simply are pointers and echoes of the force we all are bound by as humans.
Some lose their awareness of love in a sea of darkness and these are our psychopaths.
Trauma can burn out our awareness of love.
But any part of love can spark it back up into a raging fire from an ember.
We suffered greatly before we found fire.
This fire is an analog for love, for hope in a protecting force, how could we avoid worshipping the things that made life good with all the shit in it, like the sun and moon, night and day, food and shelter and stories.
This goes all the way back to when awareness first dawned within us.
This is deep powerful stuff.
One can swim on the surface of love or dive deep into it.
To live as a human and to struggle and fear as we do, reveals our greatest treasure, the binding power and hope in love.
Like an old fashioned love song.
So instead of hoping for love, we are encouraged to embrace it now, where we are and gain instant freedom from circumstances.
The quality of our love, mirrors the quality of our lives.
Read about what people regret at death.
Learn from them.
It is not something you need to wait for or to hope for when deeply intuitively understood.
And somehow, this magickal force has countered all the terror.
That’s really something.
I am truly sad for those who do not know love.
If you do, if you have any awareness of this force, you have touched the face of god and felt it close.
“When you find peace and quiet in the midst of busyness and clamor, then towns and cities become mountain forests; afflictions are enlightenment, sentient beings realize true awakening… You have to actually experience stable peacefulness before you attain oneness; you cannot force understanding.”
—Zen Master Foyan
Nothing greater can be said on OMF or anywhere above this.
This is ultra top secret stuff.
Now, don’t hold onto my talk; each of you do your own work independently. You may contemplate the stories of the ancients, you may sit quietly, or you may watch attentively everywhere; all of these are ways of doing the work.
Everywhere is the place for you to attain realization, but concentrate on one point for days and months on end, and you will surely break through.
The spiritual light, shining independently,
Transcends the senses and objects;
The essence is revealed, real and eternal,
Not confined to written words.
The nature of mind has no stain;
It is basically complete of itself.
Just detach from false mental objects
And be enlightened to being-as-is.
What did the sages mean?
Something wonderful.
We have no better answers.
All else is just mental projection from the same point all humans occupy across time.
So coming back home is just coming back to this point.
I am still distracted at times from love.
It’s impossible not to be distracted with a body and a mind.
But something sits upon this throne.
I would argue that this true love we can know inside of us and experience is the Daimon, our true will.
Our best life is not won by chance, it is courageously grabbed ahold of and worked for, in spite of our fear.
This allows us to feel as if we have truly lived a meaningful life.
Dan talks about the BPW, but not so much how to live it, best way to live it is in love.
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Sometimes, it is somewhat cathartic purging one's fears by talking about them. Here’s mine.
Today we find out that sanctions have finally driven Russia to its first foreign default since
1918.
This means that there’s a chance that Putin will retaliate by using the nuclear option; and not just on Ukraine either.
It hasn’t happened yet but I’m concerned that Biden does not appreciate the urgency of this matter. He sits back and waits until the actual thing happens before he acts on it. But in this case, that kind of response will be too late.
There, I’ve said it but I hope to God that I’m wrong about all of this. Nevertheless, as time will tell, I’m probably right.
Today we find out that sanctions have finally driven Russia to its first foreign default since
1918.
This means that there’s a chance that Putin will retaliate by using the nuclear option; and not just on Ukraine either.
It hasn’t happened yet but I’m concerned that Biden does not appreciate the urgency of this matter. He sits back and waits until the actual thing happens before he acts on it. But in this case, that kind of response will be too late.
There, I’ve said it but I hope to God that I’m wrong about all of this. Nevertheless, as time will tell, I’m probably right.
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99,
Just keep in mind that whatever befalls us will be the best possible something….. sub specie aeternitatis.
Time is an illusion…… the best possible illusion this side of Eternity.
We are not lost in space and time.
We have just been playing hide and seek.
(cont……..)
Just keep in mind that whatever befalls us will be the best possible something….. sub specie aeternitatis.
Time is an illusion…… the best possible illusion this side of Eternity.
We are not lost in space and time.
We have just been playing hide and seek.
(cont……..)
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Re: Sun goes out?
Dan asked: "How many light years between Travis and Reykjavik? Somehow Travis does not seem ready for Reykjavik."
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Very good point Dan and I've got to keep what you are saying about this in mind whenever I overdo it in the "what could happen" dept.
Thanks
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Yah, it would suck if things went nuclear.
Having our finger over the button is pretty insane and cruel.
I personally don’t worry about this 99.
And I don’t care about skinwalker ranch or UAPs or disclosure either.
Having our finger over the button is pretty insane and cruel.
I personally don’t worry about this 99.
And I don’t care about skinwalker ranch or UAPs or disclosure either.
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Chivo,
I was tempted to remove this post.
Repeatedly saying that you don’t care is not acceptable.
Did it ever occur to you that people might not care about your not caring?
……….
We should feel sorry for Chivo.
He doesn’t need people, except to serve his needs.
Most of us are social animals……. we cannot survive outside of communities.
Being an eschatologist is the most communal stance that a person can take.
Without an Eschaton, we are lost.
chick, by definition, is the most humane person in the world.
Everyone else struggles with confusion, particularly about why we are here.
(cont………)
I was tempted to remove this post.
Repeatedly saying that you don’t care is not acceptable.
Did it ever occur to you that people might not care about your not caring?
……….
We should feel sorry for Chivo.
He doesn’t need people, except to serve his needs.
Most of us are social animals……. we cannot survive outside of communities.
Being an eschatologist is the most communal stance that a person can take.
Without an Eschaton, we are lost.
chick, by definition, is the most humane person in the world.
Everyone else struggles with confusion, particularly about why we are here.
(cont………)
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I disagree and I did not say that.
Without the Eschaton we are lost?!
Bahahaha
I’m right here, found, no Eschaton needed.
You are very confused.
I am not confused at all, I am focused.
I don’t care what people care about or don’t or their stupid opinions of a smelly
I don’t need anything really, but I have responsibility for the things I am connected to.
Being open to love and taking care of what I have been given is my focus.
My point was, I don’t worry about things beyond my control.
Feel sorry for yourself.
You can remove what you like.
I’ll leave the rest to you.
Without the Eschaton we are lost?!
Bahahaha
I’m right here, found, no Eschaton needed.
You are very confused.
I am not confused at all, I am focused.
I don’t care what people care about or don’t or their stupid opinions of a smelly
I don’t need anything really, but I have responsibility for the things I am connected to.
Being open to love and taking care of what I have been given is my focus.
My point was, I don’t worry about things beyond my control.
Feel sorry for yourself.
You can remove what you like.
I’ll leave the rest to you.
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If we are not one with the One, we are nothing.
If we learn one thing from physics, we learn that every atom is one with the One.
Putin is determined to prove to the world that he is one with the One.
If we don’t believe him, he is prepared to send all of us to Perdition.
Us moderns don’t believe him, just by definition.
Samuel Alito wants to show that all of us have a reason to be here.
(cont……….)
If we learn one thing from physics, we learn that every atom is one with the One.
Putin is determined to prove to the world that he is one with the One.
If we don’t believe him, he is prepared to send all of us to Perdition.
Us moderns don’t believe him, just by definition.
Samuel Alito wants to show that all of us have a reason to be here.
(cont……….)
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Putin is not one with the one.
But I AM.
Who cares about Putin, he’s just another confused muppet.
His ego is what guides him.
Let’s see how that works out for him and Trump.
Alito is just another muppet on a crusade.
But I AM.
Who cares about Putin, he’s just another confused muppet.
His ego is what guides him.
Let’s see how that works out for him and Trump.
Alito is just another muppet on a crusade.
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Both Chivo and chick claim to be God.
He doesn’t believe me.
I’m the only one who believes him.
No, I don’t just believe Chivo, I know he speaks the Truth about himself.
I also know that he speaks falsely about everything else.
Is it possible for God to lie?
If God didn’t lie, none of us would be here…… including, especially, Chivo.
(cont…….)
He doesn’t believe me.
I’m the only one who believes him.
No, I don’t just believe Chivo, I know he speaks the Truth about himself.
I also know that he speaks falsely about everything else.
Is it possible for God to lie?
If God didn’t lie, none of us would be here…… including, especially, Chivo.
(cont…….)
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