Sun goes out?

First topic message reminder :

New topic……..

It’s not quantity, it’s quality LV and you have demonstrated none.

Afterlife?

Ha.

Live this one first.

The Afterlife will take care of itself.

Just imagine what wisdom would pour forth from LV if the AIs were not hounding him/her.

Last Sunday, Chivo posted the following link on his ‘Livin……’ thread……. https://aeon.co/essays/how-to-fulfil-the-need-for-transcendence-after-the-death-of-god .

I do recommend it.
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So, which would you rather…….. that we go out with a bang or a whimper?  

I don’t think there is any contest…… it would be 99% of folks voting the Bang ticket .  

Clearly, the I Am has always been a drama queen .  

All those great 20th century intellectuals could find no ground between Zeus in the clouds and the Abyss.  

Not one of those cosmic radicals would have the temerity to wonder about the best possible God.  

Who would a thunk that chick would be the best possible God?

All five of my ‘loyal’ followers are, evidently, willing to entertain the notion.  

Yes, it’s all about 4M/K/SoT/X2.  

Someone was gonna step up to that plate.  

There was absolute no competition.  

But now I have deprived myself of my 15 minutes of fame.  

Once the portals spring open, there will be no time for second guessing.  

Poor God…….. she just can’t get no respect …….

I guess she’ll just have to take her chances with Eternity.  



(cont……….)

Every nation has its own version of x2 Lion cage Daniel or has already had it.  The only recourse is mass awakening and work together to become better than the MONSTER FATHERS we secretly hate.   That is why the inteligencia and Royalty hushes those awake. They prefer slaves.

Hallelujah,

LJ is able to stay on topic, almost.

I knew he had it in him.

Now all he needs to do is figure out how to resize his icon.

Bahahaha

He sounds like a psychotic mental patient mostly doesn’t he.

He reminds me of the 2 of Swords

Serpents magnetically drawn together around the Caduceus, but repulsive too.

Good conversation is an art.

Both should offer and receive something from the dance hopefully.

A great conversation will span the cosmos and focus to an impossible point.

Timeless in the moment.

One thing I like about Dan, good for a great cosmic conversation.

That the rest of the muppets are too stupid or unable to enjoy it Dan is a sign you are not totally a man of your time.

I wouldn’t want to claim this time as my own either.

But here we all are, have to work with what shows up.

I can imagine much more beautiful realities.

I was thinking today, science itself has defined psychosis and it suffers from it also.

They cannot grasp the true reality of being.

Anyone who tries to measure it sees it turn to dust in their hands.

You have to dance and spin with it.

They can only measure the movement or the passing of consciousness and its effects while being semi-conscious.

They rarely truly witness and entwine with it.

There is no such thing as objectivity.

This is passionate embrace.

True reality is letting the vampire embrace you deeply and drink.

Measurement can drive a muppet insane.

To think only what you can measure is real is the worst kind of hell if you ask me, the worst kind, because it is self imposed, self torture, self destruction, self imprisonment, a shame to live missing so much of this.

Truly reality is only for those with eyes to see it and the refined senses to taste it.

No dullard/muppet shall ever know its real bliss.

LIBERTJAVA wrote:Every nation has its own version of x2 Lion cage Daniel or has already had it.  The only recourse is mass awakening and work together to become better than the MONSTER FATHERS we secretly hate.   That is why the inteligencia and Royalty hushes those awake. They prefer slaves.

There are no slaves here before you I assure you.

All the world today is under such a malaise and sadness and confusion.

But we are not confused here.

This is sacred ground, where adversaries can meet with words and love instead of steel and blood.

Respect this sacred space.

“toward our myth’s oblivion,
Darkling, and languid-lipped, we creep and grope
Sadlier than those who wept in Babylon,
Whose Zion was a still abiding hope.”

Lacrimosa!

It feels like we are dying, after we killed god, humanity is now ending.

I guess chick picks up on this.

But I look deeper.

To once what was sacred to us.

I respect the old ones and ways.

The fundamentalists and authoritarians are a last gasp.

The muppets are totally psychotic now.

Lost and tumbling.

Drowning.

They can take you under if you get too close.

Throw em a line.

Look what we did to ourselves and our beautiful earth.

Cry me a river.

What was sacred and mystical and transcendent, is now profane and abandoned.

Well, I still dwell and weep for humanity in the ruins of love.

My hope in humanity has not been extinguished.

One has to find it on their own and rekindle that lost connection to what we truly are.

I feel I am channeling that old deep hope still into the world.

We need this now, more than ever.

Even if it is the end, we burn brightest before we are extinguished.

I’ll not give into hatred and doubt and fear and conspiracy madness and lies, oh stop the incessant lyin!

I feel it comin babe.

I welcome it.

Each will judge themselves worthy or cast themselves into oblivion.

God doesn’t choose for you.

Nor does Satan.

No Demon made you do it.

No Angel either.

We did this and each has to face it and account.

This is my testimony on OMF.

My account to God alone.

So why are you here LJ

So, where are we, sports fans…….?

99% of us have voted to go out with a bang, rather than a whimper.  

I admit that I was not brave enough or smart enough to figure this out on my own.  

The Princess finally had to give Chicken Little a swift kick in the pants .

The sky is going to fall, with very little fanfare, probably within the next ten years or so……. possibly within the next ten days or so.  

Exactly what will that be like?  

Well, we could either go to sleep one night, and wake up and not be in Kansas, anymore.

Or, we could be walking down the street in broad daylight, and it would be like someone just hit us with an LSD bomb .  

We all just have an NDE, globally.  

We just have to decide which way to start walking.  

Or, you could just stop , and ask for directions 🧭.  

If you happen to be pregnant at that time, things might get a bit tricky…….. sticky.    

If you really want to have a ceremony, you’d better start planning, soon.  

Otherwise, we have no muss or fuss.

It’s just slam, bam…….

If you want to get technical, this is being post Tribulational and Amillennial.  

God’s Kingdom on Earth?  

Well, I guess that the last 2,000 years will have to count for something!!  

And what about the internet that we have been building so assiduously?  

Social media?  

Won’t we have a flash mob or a smash and grab?  

Well, chick has spoken of telephony giving way to telepathy.  

I don’t think we’ll have to worry about anymore Amazon deliveries .  

Spam calls?  Well, user discretion is advised, as always.  

I think that discerning the spirits is the name of the game.  

Another way to think about this is that we’ll be experiencing Occasionalism……. on steroids!  

We might have to spend a few nights sleeping in doorways.  

Think about the little match girl……

She again rubbed a match upon the wall, and it was again light all round; and in the brightness stood her old grandmother, clear and shining like a spirit, yet looking so mild and loving.

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dan wrote:So, where are we, sports fans…….?

99% of us have voted to go out with a bang, rather than a whimper.  

I admit that I was not brave enough or smart enough to figure this out on my own.  

The Princess finally had to give Chicken Little a swift kick in the pants .



(cont…….)

Glad someone did!

Where does that leave us?

Headin straight on.

Dan.

Why would a pregnant person feel tricky or sticky presumably during the Eschaton?

Kind regards, "The Hostile Others"...

Notice how there are no asians blogging about UFOS? 

Benevolent 8’s sharing all their wisdom!? They do not seem to give x2! 

Just us evil caucasians, blogging about heaven and hell…

Have fun blogging to edited posts via Potomac snakeheads, with Emphasis on the AC. 

May your remaining years, in Hollywood be prosperous, inspiring children with hero movies, while rarely creating one.

LJ, your psychosis is showing.

1700z…….

Chivo,

LJ gave himself away when, after I complimented one his posts, he revealed that he had be stalking the Aquarium for the last eight years.  

I am still having to delete most of his posts.  

I will have to have him banned, if cannot restrain his psychoses.

I can deal with one psychotic remark in a post, but when he starts stringing them together, it is too much.


1900……….

U,

Tricky and sticky……..?

I guess there will be two kinds of Eschaton……. tribal and personal.  

The personal Eschaton will be tricky to navigate, if you are stuck with a child.  

The tribal version would be easier…….. it takes a tribe to raise a child.



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The muppets who dominate the human race are basically idiots.

The mob is looking for blood.

Shrug.

Everyone has a theory and new conspiracy.

Smelly has no conspiracies, no documents, no contact I can prove.

Moral of the story, don’t be a psychotic muppet.

When someone comes in here spitting nonsense, they only reinforce my feeling.

It’s only getting worse as the climate crashes.

I think all of this world and cultural conflict basically is a smoke screen to avoid the inevitable climate disaster happening before our eyes.

Misdirection and sleight of hand.

That Dan has only 5 readers proves to me Dan is a fringe lunatic in their eyes, harmless

I know, Dan has a mission, he knows tha 3 visitors.

That’s your story.

No muppet is evva gonna notice or listen.

I’m sure the UFO topic is also being used to distract the psychotic muppets.

I am fairly done with muppet politics, I like to watch it though, it’s a great soap opera.

I like to watch

Shakespeare was an unparalleled genius, but he wrote gaudy plays to get muppets into the theatre  seats.

The modern day psychotic muppet fights with the other, when the fight is not left vs right, but rich vs. poor.

U would say, serpent vs. slave muppet.

I still have to go with the most practical cause of this planet wide meltdown, money and power.

What is it they do with power?

Chase young girls and boys it seems.

Aliens just came for the girls.

No one wants to get old and die.

And all of this goes back to the errant and myopic materialist view of life.

If they are fighting each other, they won’t cut our heads off is what I’m sure they laugh about in all their secret groups and meetings.

Sure, there are woke muppets trying so hard to help change things.

More power to them.

I think George Harrison did a good job trying to move the muppet mind.

The artist and poet really is the only one who can penetrate the veil of idiocy clouding the world.

Still, not my problem really, yet.

When they disturb my gardening, I might get off my fat butt and do something heroic in the world.

Until then, I pretty much see most public conflict as manufactured nonsense.

What I’m trying to say is I know how alone I am on earth.

The muppet world is not my world, it was manufactured by muppets.

I used to be a muppet too, just like all the other idiots.

Now, my world is small and personal.

I don’t let idiot muppets get me down.

I just know you can’t trust them.

I maybe only respect 2 or 3 people alive out of the 7 billion muppets on earth atm.

The rest is nonsense.

I don’t think you are nonsense Dan.

You are sincere in your way.

That’s rare.

As you were.

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In an effort to stay open and on topic, I watched this.

I would enjoy a real conversation with Jim Semivan maybe.

But I’m suspicious.

They know stuff, and TBTB said you go for it in public, uh huh.

This is the best interview I have seen of Tom.

But he can’t be so naive, can he, sure he can, bless his little muppet heart.

He made some good points though.

I see signs of life in him.

Yah, generals are introducing you to insiders Tom, why do you think that is Einstein?

They are using you of course.

If anyone offers to introduce you to someone in the know, you just can’t trust them dude.

Poor Tom.

But he seems like he is having fun, so good for him.

Jim is obviously running an intelligence operation as I am sure all public spooks are.

It doesn’t matter what is true or what evidence they may be hiding.

The idiot muppets have proven they are not in control of themselves and they will make up and believe anything their itching ears would like to hear.

The internet is a propagandist’s wet dream.

The pressure is beyond any one muppet’s mind to comprehend.

So gardening seems as good a life pursuit as any to me.

Simple.

Really, if someone came to me and offered me a look behind the green door I wouldn’t look.

Who says I wasn’t offered a look

Instead, looking inside yourself, will give you what you need.

I am fortunate to be able to still smell the flowers.

They keep my mind clear and conspiracy free.

LJ, I have no idea WTF you are talking about.

You want to be on the inside, have at it muppet.

2300z……..

Chivo,

You needn’t obsess about how small is our audience at OMF.  

Everyone who needs to hear the BPW message will hear it at the best possible time.

I’m estimating that, globally, ten thousand folks understand that the Sun will go out…….. sooner than later, and that there is very little we need to do about it by way of preparation.  

The less preparation the better, evidently.  

Saying that the Sun will go out is a shorthand way of saying that the world will go out.

What that means exactly, I’m not quite sure, but we’ll all trip out, more or less on cue.



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I don’t care how small it is.

Don’t care about the sun going out.

Gotta die sometime, who cares when.

Amor Fati

I’m talking to myself.

Sage advice below. I’ll be quiet when I’m dead.

A thinly veiled warning:  

“Do not waste any more time not expressing yourself. Say what you need to say, boldly and without reservation. Nurture your creativity and don’t be shy about it. Stop constantly consuming and start creating before it’s too late, and that dark, mysterious wardrobe into nothingness consumes you.  

Leave your mark! Start today!”

—David Bowie's Lazarus/Black Star Album



This is part of why I continue here on OMF or say anything at all.

I’m willed to do this.

My eyes are wide ope.

Like the monad, the totality is gathered here as One.

Heaven and hell and all in between are within us.

All the parts within, like ants in the hive, all the parts of one mind, one will, one goal with the Queen of the Hive, who embodies hive consciousness.

Parts of us are held in abeyance until they are needed.

“Paradise must grow in the soul like a plant, transforming hell into heaven, growing upward through the light naturally as a plant seeks the light, rising out of the dirt.”

—Versluis - Wisdoms’s Children

1730z……..

It was stated to me that the portals would open briefly, followed by the expiration of the Sun.  

One might take this as cause and effect.  

I take it as pratītyasamutpāda.  

On becoming an immaterialist in 1981, within the prophetic tradition, I became an eschatologist.

My Eschaton was that we would revert to a Dreamtime, with the world becoming more porous.  

I was very resistant, however, to having to say that the Sun would go out.  

It was a bridge too far, it seemed, but it was really just my failure to fully embrace the coherence theory of Truth (CohTT).

Being partly coherent is like being partly pregnant , I suppose.  

I attempted to cover my incoherent tracks by adopting an Ouroboric cosmology.  

I still like the Ouroboros, but have managed to move on.  

There was also the whole CTC business.  

Well, I still believe in the single soul theory of Personalism.  

The ego/body merely provides a bivouac for each manifestation of the cosmic Soul.  

Am I saying that there will be no Kingdom on Earth?  

Our final participation/Dreamtime will be on our way back home.  

How did our original participation cohere with our expulsion from the Garden?  

When was the first pregnancy ?  


0150……..

The first pregnancy would have been in deep time, along with the birds and the bees.  

Would all that have been pratītyasamutpāda?

Phylogeny recapitulates ontogeny, didn’t you know?  

When did all that surface from the deep?

What was the entanglement that snagged it?  

Pratītyasamutpāda is all about entanglement, of course.  

Creation was something of a shotgun marriage.  

This may tell us something about the Logos Spermatikos.  

LS = Potentia…… filtered…… into what?  



(cont……….)

And when you can stand before the sun with no ‘isms’ or ‘ists’ or ‘ologies’ to hide behind, you will be a man my son.

Your father enslaved America with taxes.

You have much to account for muppet.

The sins of the father, fall on the son.

We carry our home wherever we go.

Keep workin at it sparky.

If you won’t hear me, listen to David Bowie, Lazarus.



Ok chickee baby, let’s dance.

I have been dancing with this new dude who has shown me some new steps.

What is above the Will?

So if this place is seen by the 10k behind it all, this guy I’m quoting has a pretty good take on being and reason a la Schopenhauer.

This is way out of y’alls league.

I have just been learning the ego is a servant of the most high.

And I have been contemplating this for some time.

For I know my Genius beyond my will.

I as an individual am easily destroyed by the forms/ideas that are real.

No, as my intuition has led me to know, this world is not an illusion.

It matters what you do.

This is Above Top Secret.

Above all of you.

My little reflections of love, muppets in space and time.



https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t414p150-livin-your-best-life#38437

On the link, above, back to his own blog, Chivo has an interesting quote from the master of the Temple (Church, London?), but which master is not specified.  

A good read.  
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In the meantime, let’s return to the ontological problem of pregnancy…….

By way of explanation, one often works their way up from the birds 🦢 and the bees .  

An immaterialist might work the other way, starting with the Cosmos.

There is some sense in which the Cosmos is pregnant with the best possible world.  

The BPW springs from the cosmic potency.  

I claim that it is the only thing to do so.  

Logically prior to the BPW, one might suppose there is the Abyss/Chaos and the I Am.  

This might be likened to yin and yang .  

Creation is a sojourn to tame the wilderness/Abyss.  

Creation is an island in the middle of the ocean .  

The Egyptian gods of sky/Nut and Earth/Geb are a case in point.  

And what the microcosms about?  Is it too trite to say that the Logos Spermatikos is about microcosms?  

We are walking cosmic potencies.  

The first pregnancy is with Nut.

Every other pregnancy is a re-enactment.



(cont…….)

Michael Mensky  explains the Best Possible World, without need of the doctrine of non-materialism nor violation of known laws of physics:

https://arxiv.org/pdf/1407.2627.pdf

According to this principle, life is the set of the Everett [many worlds] scenarios which are favorable for living (the scenarios, that are the best to ensure survival). This is a global definition of life.

However, the same may be defined locally, i.e. in the definite time moment. Let us take some moment, call it “the present” and try to formulate the principle of life as it looks in the present.

This is done by the operation of post-correction [Men07b] since this operation cuts off (in the present) those alternatives that generate unfavorable scenarios (not providing surviving in the future in the best possible way).

What happens in the phenomenon of scientific insight, is quite analogous.

A scientific insight does not mean getting the solution of the problem (the new paradigm) from the future. New ideas are born in the present. But the correlation with the future allows to cut off those alternatives which generate the scenarios, which do not lead to the correct solution. The remaining alternatives will generate the scenarios leading to the correct solution.

Dan is asking an interesting question given the above: What is the solution to the best possible ending?

Gary,

Mensky is being dumb if he doesn’t understand that sapience/consciousness/observation is the deciding factor in the nature and structure of reality.  

Don’t put bacteria in the driver’s seat.  

Amit Goswami has already been trying to do that.  

They both are trying to save physics, as their I#1 priority.  

They need to get real.  

Professionally, they can only rock the physics boat so much.  

A full fledged BPW would be a bridge too far for them, professionally.  

Not many professionals are prepared to become prophets.  

For the mere ‘Lifeists’, it’s Bacterialism vs Personalism.  

That should be a no brainer.    
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Back to our pregnancy test……..

The Abyss is pregnant with the Chaos.  

The Chaos is pregnant with the I Am.  

The I Am is pregnant with the BPW.  

No??

Microcosmic ontogeny simply recapitulates the Cosmic ontogeny.  

The Logos Spermatikos is crucial, ubiquitously.

And what the heck is the Logos Spermatikos?  

In Stoicism the seminal reason (logos spermatikos) is the cosmic source of order; its aspects are fate, providence, and nature. ... The view becomes fused with Christian doctrine when logos is God's instrument in the development (redemption) of the world.

And we are all God’s instruments.

In the xian tradition, the Logos is taken to be the living word, which is often considered to be the jguy in the flesh……. the Logos incarnate.  

The Stoics also referred to the seminal logos ("logos spermatikos"), or the law of generation in the Universe, which was the principle of the active reason working in inanimate matter. Humans, too, each possess a portion of the divine logos.[26]
The Stoics took all activity to imply a logos or spiritual principle.

It sounds a lot like Occasionalism, to me.  
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I’m just not quite sure where the biology came from.  

I have a better handle on the physics aspect.  

The physics is about the necessary symmetry.  

We can thank Emmy Noether for that.  

Yes, within our co-Creation, there is a relativity with regard to persons.  

Each person is a cosmic center, unto themselves.  

That is the essence of sapience.  

Each center reflects all the others……. Indra’s necklace, fashion.  

Indra’s necklace/web is just the cosmic entanglement.  

Our BPW Creation is the portal to end all portals.

It is the web of Agape, with the jguy as the spider.  

All ye, all ye, in free!  

It will be tough to let go……. just ask Chivo.  
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The remaining question…….

How did the Word manage to become flesh……. and what is flesh, in the context of the word?  

It has a lot to do with our level playing field.  

Our feet are on the ground.  

What is the Game?  

So please tell me why don't you come around no more
'Cause right know I'm crying outside the door of your candy store
It just takes a little bit of this, a little bit of that
It started with a kiss, now we're up to bat
A little bit of laughs, a little bit of pain
I'm tellin' you, my babe, it's all in the game of love
This, whatever you make it to be
Sunshine will set on this cold lonely sea

Emmy tells us that atoms fall out of the symmetry of the sea .  

Biology falls out of the atoms.  

But the sea has no symmetry.  

Someone had to crank that in.  

The symmetry was our trap…… the funhouse of smoke and mirrors 🪞.  

Speaking of symmetry, we don’t want to forget the one electron….. one soul theory of the universe.  

All of this was supposed to have been hidden in the illusion of the deep space and deep time of the multiverse, until we discovered that we had a second life.  

And do keep in mind that the metaverse is not quite the same as the multiverse.



(cont……..)

You know what I love about the BPW, which is evidence for the BPW, it allows and contains all ‘isms’.

It contains everything we know.

Optimism.

Cynicism.

Pessimism.

Occasionalism.

Even materialism!

The mistake is to stand behind just one ism.

The wise muppet realizes all isms in themselves.

The wise muppet is a little bit country and a little bit rock n roll.

Makes for much more fun, the BPW maximizes fun.

You know what I love about tha stoics?

Wikipedia wrote:In one sense the Stoics believed that this is the best of all possible worlds. Only God or Nature is good, and Nature is perfectly rational. It is an organic unity and completely ordered. The goodness of Nature manifests in the way it works to arrange things in the most rational way. For the Stoics this is therefore the most reasonable, the most rational, of all possible worlds.

None of the events which occur by Nature are inherently bad; but nor are they intrinsically 'good' even though they have been caused by a good agent. The natural patterning of the world—life, death, sickness, health, etc.—is made up of morally indifferent events which in themselves are neither good nor bad. Such events are not unimportant, but they only have value in as far as they contribute to a life according to Nature. As reasoning creatures, humans have a share in Nature's rationality. The good for a human is to be fully rational, behaving as Nature does to maintain the natural order. This means to know the logic of the good, to understand the rational explanation of the universe, and the nature and possibilities of being human. The only evil for a human is to behave irrationally—to fail to act upon reason—such a person is insane.

Now that is some good thinking!

Nothing is good or bad.

Now we are gettin warmer.

Old grumpy Schopenhauer and the Buddhists would say no no no, look at all the suffering in the world, this can’t be the best world.

The Gnostics would agree.

Would the Sufis?

No, they sought a more perfect union.

Isn’t that the task of every muppet really?

To seek a more perfect union with nature?

Well, we live in the land of shadows.

Our society is literally insane with self interest.

What do you expect?

Here can choose to be rational or irrational.

We don’t have to stay crazy.

But I think we are raised to be crazy.

“Because religious ideas that are obscure or cryptic may be called “mystical” in popular parlance, mysticism is often mistakenly thought to be essentially irrational. Although much mysticism, like much religion, is indeed irrational, other mystical traditions take pride in their adherence to reason.

In the West, Diogenes of Apollonia, a Greek philosopher of the 5th century BCE, introduced mystical ideas into Greek philosophy. Diogenes maintained that “all existing things are created by the alteration of the same thing, and are the same thing.” This one ultimate substance, according to Diogenes, has nous (“mind” or “intellect”) and “is called Air.” All humans and animals breath Air, which “for them is both Soul (Life) and Intelligence.” In his Nicomachean Ethics, the Greek philosopher Aristotle stated that the contemplative life consists of the soul’s participation in the eternal through a union between the soul’s rational faculty and the nous that imparts intelligibility to the cosmos.”

So here we can learn to choose the rational, while filled with the irrational impulses.

Is egoic self interest unnatural?

I feel so.

The natural ego, sensual mind, can be easily misled into insane self interest.

A perversion of our bodies natural self interest.

“If he who seeks to abide by the Way has emptiness, then he may enter into it; if he who seeks to serve the Way has unity, then he may master it; if he who seeks to meditate on the Way has stillness, then he may perceive it. He who understands the Way and perceives its nature, he who understands the Way and carries it out, may be said to embody the Way.”

For most of my life, I didn’t care about any of this.

I was a muppet.

I went my own way, not the way of nature.

I was insane.

What brought me to sanity?

Love.

Awareness of my insanity was difficult to face.

But I think this is the way for any human being.

Self interest prevents us from uniting with the way.

I am not empty of self interest, so I move in and out of sanity and insanity.

Maybe Jesus was.

Albert Einstein wrote:The most beautiful and profound emotion we can experience is the sensation of the mystical. It is the sower of all true art and science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger … is as good as dead. To know that what is impenetrable to us really exists, manifesting itself as the highest wisdom and the most radiant beauty, which our dull faculties can comprehend only in their most primitive forms—this knowledge, this feeling, is at the center of true religiousness.

Just some random thoughts I was having after today and reading Dan’s post tonight.

Perhaps we need to go crazy, to learn to love the good, to appreciate it.

So we don’t turn out like little spoiled rich kids.

The BPW allows us to know the good, this is love.

This is what I found in life so far.

Have any of you found anything better?

I don’t think so.

Just my smelly opinions.

2000z…….

Chivo,

John Leslie comes close to the BPWH, but then misses it by a mile when he veers off into infinite worlds.  

I’m not aware that he has any understanding of personalism.  

Ok, apparently, Robert and John have actually written a book together on personal theism.

Neither one of them, however, has any clue about the small world hypothesis (SWH), which is essential to the BPWH.  

The Eschaton and Metanarrative are both entirely dependent on the SWH.  
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What I wish to discuss with 2.5 and 3 is the revival of Truth.  

When science came along, it was supposed to put an end to the interminable religious warfare.  

Science was going to objectify Truth.  

Science has managed to objectify the world, alright, by supposing reality is measurable.

What cannot be measured is subjective…… is unreal.  

A crucial aspect of objectifying the world was to take persons out of the measurement loop.  

That was working great, until we got to the measurement problem.  

Philosophers wanted to know…… what exactly is a measurement?

Here is one obvious place to start……. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Measurement_problem


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It is perhaps amusing that the Wikipedia article implies that the measurement problem has been solved with judicious use of decoherence, and cites a single source…… Schlosshauer (2006).  

On the other hand, the SEP article (2016) leaves it wide open, and doesn’t even mention Schlosshauer……… go Cards!  

Science believes that it has successfully deconstructed the Truth.  

Science has convinced every modern minded person, with one exception……… chick .  

The exception is radical.  

It implies that the Sun is going out within ten years.

The only way to save the Sun will be to lend some minimal credence to chick .  


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Anybody who wishes to talk about anything will, eventually, have to come to grips with the Truth.

Is the Truth objective or subjective?  

Science says it is objective……. it can be measured.  

Modern civilization is based on the objectivity of Truth.  

That false notion is the source of all our problems.  

Will understanding this save the Sun ?

It will maximize the time remaining to us before the Eschaton.

The Sun might shine for another twenty years, instead of just ten years.  

Think of how valuable the extra time could be.  

Being psychologically prepared for the Eschaton could save us a lot of grief on the other side.  

Then I might get my 15 minutes of fame, after all.  

If I could just convince 2.5 and three of the inter-subjectivity of Truth and the BPWH, we might obtain that 10 years of grace, after all.

It would alleviate much of the problem of our getting tied up in knots on the other side.

We just need to understand that history is the story of Truth.



(cont…….)

Here you go, Dan:

Brian Josephson

To access preferred subtitles, click on settings and choose 'English' in the subtitles list. The question of ‘how the mind works’ has been addressed in the past from many different angles. The different approaches taken together enable the creation of a unified picture, going beyond present day physics in the same way that taking into account the existence of atoms totally transformed physics. Present-day physics can be incorporated into this picture by treating it as the outcome of the activity of entities existing prior to the origin of the universe. Organisation processes play a key role here, possibly as discussed a product of Yardley's 'universal system architecture'.

There are some very strange lights over New York over last week.

Maybe drones, but there are strange videos on YouTube showing a point of light expanding into a circle : of light.

Another showing some hovering and rapid movements ala UAP.

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We make the meaning in our lives.

This is about individuation, we have an unstoppable shift into individuation under way.

It will overturn all systems of control.

Many say we need a focus and a leader, hence trump has shown up, lock her up, build the wall, election was stolen.

These are brainwashing tactics speaking to the unconscious.

If one has not gone into themselves and worked things out, they will be caught up in the fire of the mob.

The individual cannot be controlled.

The irrational can.

Since WWII we have been actively conditioned through the CIA and corporate America to conform.

They try to usurp this individuation with all sorts of tricks.

It’s not gonna work.

It is way beyond anyone’s control now.

So the old ways are done.

Been so for awhile.

How do we live without a god?

Check this out.

https://www.amazon.com/C-G-Jung-Nikolai-Berdyaev-Individuation/dp/0415493153

Here is the intro. You have to dig to find the gold. It is not strewn about for the profane or ecclesiastical.

You have to pass through the fire of modernity and Nietzsche to get a glimpse of this.

https://api.taylorfrancis.com/content/books/mono/download?identifierName=doi&identifierValue=10.4324/9780203840900&type=googlepdf

Dr. Georg Nicolaus wrote:I initially was intending to use the biblical expression ‘the inner man of the heart’ (taken from 1 Pet.: 3, 4 and Rom. 7: 22) as a title because it alludes to the distinction of the inner and outer man common to the mystical tradition. The inner man, or the true person, is initially hidden, unconscious. It does not manifest automatically in the developmental process. Only by passing through a process of spiritual rebirth do we truly become a person in the full sense of the word. This birth of the new man/woman implies the death of the old. We will follow this process of death and rebirth on both the personal and the collective level. Jung interprets Christianity as a form of the myth of the dying and resurrecting, i.e. the transforming, God. This allows him to link up his interpretation of Christianity closely with the contemporary predicament, a stratagem equally employed in recent postmodern thinking.

This process of death and rebirth has also found symbolic expression in the alchemical imagination that flourished in the early Renaissance. Especially (but by no means only) in Jacob Boehme’s Christian theosophy does this classical theme of the Christian mystical tradition become enriched with the alchemical imagination. Alchemy introduces a volatile ferment into Christian symbolism, enriching it with new complexities for modern souls. And Jung’s own psychological–alchemical interpretation of Christianity seek a renewal of the meaning of Christian symbols by offering a psychological interpretation of this alchemical imagination in the light of the process of individuation through which one becomes a person in the full sense. If we make the attempt to understand Jung’s psychology as a psychology of the person it will therefore appear primarily within the following developmental line: Christian mysticism, alchemy, its psychological interpretation, which latter in turn enables a new, specifically psychological appropriation of Christian symbols with the aim of the renewal of the central concern of Christian spirituality – the ‘second birth’. Jung offers a psychological perspective, which puts the whole of Christianity in a new light, a psychological light.

Berdyaev’s thought, on the other hand, gives expression to the shape that such a renewed Christian spirituality as spirituality could take. While we will soon see that there are therefore significant tensions between Jung’s psychological and Berdyaev’s spiritual perspectives, a wealth of striking resonances and correspondences can nevertheless be found between their views. These resonances stem from the shared focus of both writers on the experiential dimension of the process of the ‘second birth’ as a starting point for their reinterpretation of Christian symbols in the light of the changed psychological/spiritual situation of contemporary man/woman.

What Jung and Berdyaev share is that they present us with a reinterpretation of Christianity which has passed through the dissolution of the Christian God-image in modernity. Both of them have studied Nietzsche with an equally acute awareness of his importance. Neither of them writes for those who still possess an intact traditional, confessionally bound ecclesiastic faith, which has (apparently) managed to remain unaffected by these historical processes.

This is along the lines of the key if you ask me.

They tried Bernay’s program based on Freud’s dead end.

Jung went where science couldn’t.

Now the road to Eleusis has been discovered and some of us have had a glimpse of the inner plane.

They moved the hippies away from political action using Capitalistic tricks.

But now it’s all coming back.

Like a giant they put to sleep that is now waking up.

And the giant is pissed!

There is no alternative to revolution now I think.

The system is too broken and the individual will just not have it.

But this new individual is only a bridge.

Here Islam is maybe way ahead of the West.

Islam may have the last laugh yet.

In the west the giant has awoken and it needs a home and a direction.

It isn’t gonna come from the corrupt slave masters.

They have no idea what to do.

And we are all just an idea in the end.

I think I am being shown a path.

A bright shining path leading into the desert.

To a portal that I see like a mirage in the middle of the desert.

It arose out of the sands when I invoked the magick words.

You can’t call out to angels or daimons.

You have to make your own way.

I think I’m going to go through to the other side.

I kinda don’t have a choice now.

Each must become the hero of their own story and thus be able to avoid the corruption by the false.

“Daniel isn’t Real” another clue.

You must contemplate and gather your strength to make the journey.

You have to tune all else out and focus on a single point.

The impossible point.

There is something beyond this desert.

Beyond Christianity, Judiasm, Esoteric, Islam, Humanism and Nihilism, all the isms.

Something new.

Some pray for our end.

I pray for the end of the beginning.

I don’t know many of us are gonna make it there.

But where one goes, so do all.

It isn’t behind another Hitler, though they will try.

No ideology is gonna suffice.

No creed.

No politics.

I don’t like having a boot on my neck.

Only facing things as they are and knowing ourselves will help.

Flowing with what is.

Not fighting it.

This is what I feel when I contemplate all that is known to me.

But what do I know, I’m just a smelly

No one can really understand or explain the sublime.

They can measure from now until kingdom come.

Until you take your own measure and find it infinite, you have not even begun to know this.

Persons and their experiences are the key to understanding our place in being.

Christou - Logos of the Soul wrote:…never get away from the soul. Hence the notion of objectivity, impersonality or abstraction so dear to science is impossible when we introduce the experiencing soul into our picture of the cosmos since every abstraction is also the source of psychological experience.

—(Christou 1976: 37)

I am not alone. Jung and Berdyaev went through exactly what I did breaking with their authoritarian childhood religion.

This is why I see so clearly who and what trump is.

“I have come to Christ through liberty and through intimate experience of the paths of freedom. My Christian faith is not a faith based on habit or tradition. It was born through the experience of the inner life of a most painful character . . . Freedom has brought me to Christ and I know of no other path leading to Him. Nor am I the only one who has passed through this experience. No one who has left Christianity based on authority can return to anything but a Christianity which is free . . . Those who have come to Christianity through freedom bring to it that same spirit of liberty . . . Those whose religion is authoritarian and hereditary will never understand properly those who have come to religion through freedom.”

—Berdyaev

“For Berdyaev, Christianity is above all the religion of love, and that means the religion of freedom and personality, because love presupposes freedom and personality. Freedom and personality are at the same time key themes of modernity. Berdyaev’s thought attempts a coniunctio oppositorum of a radic- ally understood modernity with an equally radically understood Christianity. Not a compromise, but a more radical form of humanism than modernity dared to give expression to, is his aim.”

This is what I think Jordan Peterson is in the middle of and trying to say, but he doesn’t have the words yet.

But I think Jung and Berdyaev are down the way of where all of this must go to resolve itself.

We come back to love and know freedom after being reborn.