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0350zulu time…….

Chivo,

Yes, we are living out that story.


1010……..

Once we figure out that science is wrong about trying to objectify the world, we will understand the Sun as being one nexus of the entanglement of Nature.  

Anthropos is the other nexus.

We stand together with the Sun .  

We two are Pratītyasamutpāda.  

Nature has an outer Sun and an inner Sun.  

I don’t want to jump to a conclusion, but I am betting that the inner Sun traces historically to the Son.  

But don’t let chick prejudge anything.  

We’ll just have to wait and see what happens when three opens the portals.  

Hey, sports fans, it’ll be an experiment!

So, no, pratītyasamutpāda is not quite true.

Which comes first…… the chick or the egg ?  

The I Am comes first.  

The Logos comes first……. the flesh comes second.  

The Sun comes third.  

Are we back to cause and effect?  

No, we’re just sorting things out.  

We’re getting our heads sorted out.  

If this is not the Truth, then chick will be darned.  

So, once our heads have been sorted out, and the 144,000 portals are opened…….. 100 % of us will be going through on the first day.  

Once we’ve seen Paris, it’ll be hard to keep us down on the farm!

What could be simpler, Princess ?  

And chick will get to turn out the lights.

Yes, and in the land of the blind, the one eyed person will be Queen …….. of the hive.  
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And, no, LJ, we won’t be in Ohio anymore……. either!


1320……..

Between now and P-day, we’ll just need to train the 144,000 to person the portals.

Each of the 10K, who are in the know, now, will only have to train fourteen more.  


1420……..

It’s fine if all of us are on our own page, as long as we can share the same touchstone.  

And what is that touchstone?

It is Truth.  

And we don’t even have to specify what that Truth is, as long as we know that we can all share it……. and that it is at the core of every being.  

I seems like maybe Chivo’s beginning to figure this out.

I don’t think crazy LJ even has a clue .

But it should be a no brainer………. the Truth is agape.  

The modern minded are having a heck of a hard time wrapping their minds around this.  


1650…….

I’m just starting to read…… Is Reality Secular by Mary Poplin (2013).

Yes, it is published by IVP.



(cont…….)

Not one mention of Chip here this week?

Looks like Chip Intel is packing heat and moving to Ohio.

I must be crazy, like you all assume.

Apparently, it might be the largest in the world!

Stuff that in the crazy pipe!

Oh LJ, still not going with the flow here, keep at it.

Yah Dan, things are clickin at a furious pace ova har.

What I partially documented on OMF, over my time here, was my own journey of individuation.

I felt maybe it could be helpful to some that come later.

Yes, this is a journey back to love/agape, with freedom, no more appeals to authority.

We ultimately transcend humanistic individualism even, always trying to be the hero.

I studied Jung and Berdyaev for years, but then things just started to click. Henry Corbin, representing the Islamic side, is in agreement with them generally and noted many correlations.

All these old religions meet in postmodern existential individualism and from there we might be able to forge something new together.

I think there will be the best amount of time to do this.

It is a massive program underway and when you begin to see how the turmoil in the world is just a setup for this, u just marvel at it and relax.

Some call this enlightened/existential Christianity, but I think it is something new.

I give a big nod to our Christian roots in the West.

We will need to engage with Islam too, and I have been led that direction now.

Ultimately we each have our own view and experience of this, but there is a general flow we are all caught up in.

Jung attempted to join his new psychological framework with Christianity but couldn't quite get there, well, we are continuing the work, as are many others.

It includes science, it includes everything under the sun.

And somehow, as Jung and Berdyaev, I am coming back to Christ.

I am being pulled toward this gravity.

I have no choice anymore in it, no resistance.

Boy does the world seem to need this now.

They are dividin fast.

They all want to kill each other, but something is gonna break, sure it might get way worse, but I can see the work has already been accomplished and we are all swept up in it.

It appears as a beautiful flower of Light to me.

The sublime is unconscious no longer.

We are awakening from our long unconsciousness.

1530z……..

Chivo,

Yes, LJ seems to have no clue as to what is going on around here.

No, LJ, we’re not talking about chips.  

We’re talking about persons.  

If anyone wishes to talk about persons, there is no way to avoid talking about the J-guy.  

There is no competition in that department.  

The jguy’s message is that we are all one with God, ultimately.  

And by the way, this God is not some super being……. this is someone we can sit down and have a beer with.

God only has one super power………

Her super power is simply the Truth.  

Ok, but God is not playing fair.  

She is withholding the Truth from us…….

I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear……

What is this about?  

We’re being rather patronized, no?  

This harkens right back to the Garden of Eden…… eating the apple from the tree of Knowledge.

Who did we think we were?  

We aspired to the master’s super power.  

We were supposed to be making babies …… not poetry.  

What was going to happen to change this situation within the next generation…… and the second coming.  

Quite simply, I was told that the Holy Spirit of Pentecost would handle the problem.  

Well, given that Truth = Love, we’ve been looking for love in all the wrong places…….. two thousand years worth of looking.  

So, what is different, now?

Well, after two thousand years of searching, we are about to find love online.  

Are we talking Tinder?  

Well, close, but not quite.  

See, I don’t think the internet is an accident.  

The internet is basically a search engine on steroids.

Will the internet help us find love…… and Truth, maybe ?  

Well, we can always try……..

This is the first thing we come up with……..

Truth and love are not the same or there wouldn't be two different words for them. Truth is consistent and unwavering. Only our understanding of truth differs. Love is inconsistent and often emotional, which is why unconditional love is such a challenge for so many.

Hmmm …….

But, wait, aren’t I cheating?

How are we getting love mixed up with Truth, in the first place?  

I suspect that the missing link is something like trust.  

And what is the link between truth and beauty…….

Thou shalt remain, in midst of other woe
Than ours, a friend to man, to whom thou say'st,
   "Beauty is truth, truth beauty,"—that is all
       Ye know on earth, and all ye need to know.

 Speaking of having a need to know.  

Numinous is another word found in these precincts.  

The numinous is sometimes said to be the wholly other.  

But maybe it’s more like the holy other.  

All of this is about something that can resonate with the core of our being……. something that can shake us to the depths of our being.  

I take these experiences to be quintessentially personal.

In many ways they define personhood.  

The experience of the paranormal normal is often of this nature.

Is the paranormal something wholly other?  

Or do these experiences lay bare the core of our being?

The abduction phenomenon often proceeds along these lines.  

When we say something is true, we can mean that either subjectively or objectively.  

But is there an objective truth?

The Sun is an objective truth……. we can trust that it will come up tomorrow morning .  

But love can be fleeting.  

We have to specify true love.  

Is truth objective or subjective?  

It has to be both…… it has to be interpersonal.  

The numinous can also be fleeting, but it leaves an indelible trace.  


2220……….

Isn’t it a bit late for the Truth to come out, now that the Eschaton is practically upon us?  

Too late?  

Well, it might be, anywhere else, but, in the best possible world…… I’m doubting it.  

Maximizing the drama , it would come at the last minute.  

The thing is that science has no handle on the Truth.  

Does this mean that we should toss science in the bin?  

I certainly haven’t.  Is it not the greatest achievement of human kind?  

But Truth?

Science has been and will be very instrumental in the entire eschatological process.  

But science deals with only the most superficial aspects of the world.  

Science probes into the atom, but, if the world is a mental construct, it is barely touching the surface.  

Science probes into matter……. Truth probes into Being.  

At the Eschaton, Being is laid bare…….. well, the layers of Being start to be peeled away.  

This being is starting to sound like some Cosmic monster.  

Would we really want to sit down and have a beer with this monstrosity?  

Well, this monstrosity is at the core of every person.  

We are simply taking the personal and making it interpersonal.  

We will be meeting the Monster, and we will know ourselves for the first time.  

Maybe this is the Truth that we couldn’t bear?  

Will we be able to bear it now?  

Well, sports fans…….. this is going to be the drama.  

You might wish to fasten your seat belt.  

Will there be child seats?  

This is one of the many things that we will need to consider.  



(cont………)

If we are talking about persons, must speak of Nietzsche.

That was a real authentic person, dynamite.

He gave the best advice, leave me and go your own way.

Don’t trust Zarathustra or what anyone says about him.

Now that’s a god I can respect.

The one they all bow down to is a fraud and an idol.

God doesn’t want or need your praise or prayers.

When they worship a god in any form, truly, they worship themselves.

He also suggested one write in blood, for blood is spirit.

Jesus never wanted believers or followers, he wanted friends, one must always inquire into truth, never believe, never follow, never stop.

Only then are you worthy of love.

By the way, I met my wife on Tinder.

So yes, you can find love on the internet.

But you can only know it through experience and direct contact.

Dan: Science probes into matter……. Truth probes into Being.

At the Eschaton, Being is laid bare…….. well, the layers of Being start to be peeled away.

This being is starting to sound like some Cosmic monster.

Would we really want to sit down and have a beer with this monstrosity?

Well, this monstrosity is at the core of every person.

We are simply taking the personal and making it interpersonal.

We will be meeting the Monster, and we will know ourselves for the first time.

Maybe this is the Truth that we couldn’t bear?

Will we be able to bear it now?

Well, sports fans…….. this is going to be the drama.

You might wish to fasten your seat belt.

Perhaps I was giving up on the idea of Disclosure a little too quickly…….

Even with a sudden and dramatic finalé, there would still be a place for the best possible Disclosure.

Although there are many ways that Disclosure could go wrong, I’m not saying that it would not be possible to choreograph a beneficial version.  

The purpose of Disclosure would be to extend and facilitate our transition to the other side.  

three was giving us a deadline of ten years.  

With proper planning, we might push the deadline out for another twenty years, say.  

An essential feature of this extension would be having the opportunity to preview the portal phenomenon on a large scale.

In our initial discussion, however, this option was not being offered.  



(cont……….)

We may not be able to determine whether or not Disclosure would be beneficial, prior the actual date….. Portal-day.  

The answer depends almost entirely on what transpires on the other side.  

At this point, I am not attempting to explore the logistics of the transition……. other than to posit that it will be abrupt.  

The simplest initial assumption might be that we all embark on individual NDE type experiences.  

In this event, our bodies are left behind……. but to what end?

To dissolve back into the aether….. to be carrion……?

The answer would be almost entirely academic.  

The cessation of metabolism will necessarily be abrupt.  

Our waking, historical world will no longer be supported.  

The occasions of our Occasionalism will have ceased.  

The vectors of our three dimensional world will have converged.  

And what then transpires…….. a spiritual gold rush back to the Source?  

Winner takes all….. in the cosmic singularity of the Soul……. talk about Logos Spermatikos?!  

Or is this our final Participation?  

Or both?



(cont……..)

You are welcome to speculate and have any opinion you like.

No one knows the future, period.

Some may try to force a future, they will fail, every time.

History has taught us this.

Personally, I don’t waste my precious time worrying or thinking about the future.

I make the best decisions today I can to have my best shot at the best future.

I do not share your opinions on this point.

Do the best you can today.

Be the best human being you can.

Know thyself.

It doesn’t matter what happens, at all.

What you do matters for you and those connected to you now.

My guess based on my own personal work is that being the best human being today will align you best with what is to come.

We are not doing our best today compared to what we could be doing, which is individuating and rising beyond our small world and throwing off old systems that no longer serve us well.

Few human beings walk the earth today, fewer than ever is my guess, the best amount I suppose.

All one has to do is spend time inside to come to this realization.

It takes more work than most have the patience for, so my guess and opinion is the world will just degrade further until it breaks completely.

But some of us will use the pain to go far into ourselves.

The rest, I don’t know about it, not my problem.

Stick to your protocol.

Have as much fun as you can.

Try your best not to leave too big a mess.

Straight on.

1430z…….

Chivo,

I agree that the world is caving in.  

I don’t know of anyone who does not agree.  

Only one question remains…….. do we curse the darkness, or do we light a candle ?  

Chivo and his Stoic friends will curse the darkness until the cows come home.  

It appears that the cows have come home.  

We are discussing what will happen next.  
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If we are to give credence to the information I recently received, history is over.  

It ended when the Vectors converged……. in September of 2016.  

We’ve been running on fumes for the past six years

We are currently waiting for Godot…… and/or for the Rapture, which would be the opening of the portals……. expected within the next ten years.  

One could also say that history ended with the end of modernism.  

When did Modernism end?

I put that date at 1951, when WVO Quine declared the end of analytical philosophy……. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willard_Van_Orman_Quine#Rejection_of_the_analytic–synthetic_distinction …..

"Two Dogmas of Empiricism"…… According to University of Sydney professor of philosophy Peter Godfrey-Smith, this "paper [is] sometimes regarded as the most important in all of twentieth-century philosophy". The paper is an attack on two central aspects of the logical positivists' philosophy……

Philosophers have not figured out what to do next.

They have mainly settled for playing language games……. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_game_(philosophy)

They are reluctant to have to admit this in public.  

Well, there is only one alternative for philosophers……. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mind–body_problem

And, if you do take this problem seriously, you must also take seriously the ontology of immaterialism.

And, if you put together immaterialism and the Anthropic Principle, you are facing a brave new world.

These are the precincts of the chick .


1910……….

Our main concern now is to foresee a bit of what might happen on the other side……

Our Metanarrative will cease at the threshold.  

Eventually we will wind up at the Monad.  

However, linear time will have ceased to prevail.  

There will, at most, be local/episodic time.  

Will we all become time travelers?

Perhaps, incidentally, but our main interest will be to follow the light.  

Otherwise, we’ll be getting stuck in every backwater imaginable.  

Hey, if you are inclined to spiritual backwaters, you will be in the clover …….. otherwise, you might wish to keep your paddle in the water.  

This will by the Odyssey/Ulysses on steroids.  

And, if we are recapitulating our ontogeny, there will be ample opportunity for spiritual melding.  

What, will we be recreating the cosmic meta-Spirit?  

That sounds scary!

It’ll just be the I Am/We Are.  

The restaurant at the End of the Universe?  

We get to take a load off, sit around the stove and spit and lie.  

No biggie.  

No.  There will not be a gold rush.  

The last shall be first, etc……..


0210……..

Poor Chivo,

He’ll never be able to fathom that there is only one of us.  

WWG1WGA.  

This is not about spiritual virtuosity.  

This is about the Communion of souls.

This is what cosmic Synchrony is all about.  

But not to worry……. you are right where you should be.  

By the way, this is not about believing, this is about seeing and feeling.

You love to project your mother onto me.  

And chick suspects that the cosmic Mother does not want to have 10^10 angry muppets beating down her door .    


(cont…….)

Dan Dan Dan

We do not curse the darkness or the pain.

We take it in and eat it up and turn it into light.

We don’t worry about the darkness around us, we seek to know the darkness within us and transmute it.

It’s Alchemy.

And it’s not just the stoics.

It’s the Taoists and the Sufis and the Zen and the Existentialists and others like this.

And ole Carl Jung and Nietzsche too.

And Parmenides and Plato and even Aristotle.

So many splinters of philosophy today, you have to do what I did and they did and go back to first principles.

We master and know ourselves and we ride that until kingdom come.

Until you do it and die to yourself and transcend creeds and religion and theories, integrate them, no one can see what I’m saying really.

It’s lighting the light within that saves us.

No one or anything stands in our way, but these damn personalities.

Not for a hope that our ego or personalities persist, but because we find the door to Eden reopens.

And the only portal back to Eden is in our hearts.

If you have not love for yourself and your neighbor beyond any circumstance and in so doing find a love for the light, you are lost and maybe lost forever.

That’s what I know.

Do better than I if you can.

But I think you and I agree on the final outcome.

QAnon is an abortion and profane, dead on the table.

A mind virus 🦠  eating the brains 🧠 of muppets.

But where one goes in love, I feel we all go.

QAnon left the love part out.

It is darkness in your face.

Would god spare the world for one great soul?

The nameless god, the one behind it all.

Would Pan, the god of nature care about any of us?

Will our mother Sophia take us back?

I feel yes yes yes.

The nihilists take the easy path.

I take the hardest path.

You can know that fruit now, not in a dream, but in the life have now and can see with your precious gift of time through contemplation.

These things are self evident.

The time is now, always now.

Be that great soul I say and go as far as you can.

I love my darkness and I have a life that reflects it.

I don’t speculate, I grow in the soil plowed by the hard work.

And like Lucifer, I will let no muppet pass.

And I have a sword here sharper than any ever forged.

I died to find it.

Technology won’t save us, but it is a great tool.

Egos won’t save us, but another great tool.

Jesus ain’t gonna save ya.

Nietzsche went crazy.

All of them said do better than me, keep going just to deepen your own quality.

Keep digging.

Stop believing.

Keep inquiring.

Tell me I didn’t find the Way

The poor muppets who have no center, it must be terrifying.

To know that there is no problem outside ourselves, accept what we think about it, is freedom.

Those stoics had hard lives too.

No one has the answers really.

We just do the best we can.

The ego despairs, but the Will goes on, force of nature that it is.

What is this mysterious force, if not our true selves.

The mind takes us way off course and society is way off course and will pull you too.

Have no fear, just relax and let nature take its course.

We don’t have to follow the body down into oblivion.

But muppets cling to the vessel, terrified.

They fight for imaginary rights and shocks they have suffered.

Many have made the passage, just flow with things, everything will be just fine.

Just my smelly opinion.

Straight on.

You've spoken about not believing in rights in the past Chivo.

You call them imaginary.

Other teachers would challenge you.

They may be right and wrong.

Why would you hold such a belief?

U wrote:You've spoken about not believing in rights in the past Chivo.

You call them imaginary.

Other teachers would challenge you.

They may be right and wrong.

Why would you hold such a belief?

Imaginary rights and beliefs are just the balls the fool juggles.

I can knock the balls out of any muppet’s/fool’s hands when I am no longer juggling.

Anyone calling themselves a teacher or one with followers is a liar.

They kick 🦵 their own ass.

One must move away from theories, beliefs and conclusions.

What I am is existential.

There is no right and wrong, just what happens.

I have no beliefs, only experience, mind, body and contents of consciousness.

Is this a person?

I don’t know.

Do you?

Who is it that’s asking the questions?

Consciousness.

How do you challenge consciousness?

Body is not mine.

Thoughts are not mine.

They blow like wind.

Words are not mine.

They just come.

The contents of consciousness must be the one you are talking to.

No one understands this.

So your question doesn’t really have any answer.

I am choiceless awareness.

To empty yourself is not to cling to anything.

What one grasps and holds are just balls the fool juggles.

What flows out of me, is what has filled me.

Nature.

I never know what I am going to say.

Who cares what I think or say?

I’m just a smelly juggling fool.

Who gave me the balls to juggle?

Who created the fool?

The fool just is.

Thoughts just are.

Body just is.

Awareness just is.

What balls are you juggling…fool?

How about you let the balls fall?

No more challenges then.

I don’t know about you, but I like to juggle now and then.

When I’m not, I have no balls in the air.

I only pick up balls and juggle when I talk to fools.

If I am challenged, I throw my balls at them.

Easy come, easy go.

We are the children of the sun
Our carnival has just begun
Our songs fill the air

Hey Dan, this nutcase thinks like you, the switch is going to be turned off.



I don’t feel a loss freedom.

I am not uncertain.

I am not deterred or scared by the world collapsing into itself.

The pressure makes diamonds

I’m clear.

What is being born is this.

There is no real choice.

His bullshit isn’t half bad I must say.

But he thinks he’s a teacher, so he’s a fool.

He even mentions the Omega Point.

He must know your friends.

1500z………

Thanks, Chivo, for linking us to Shunyamurti.  

When it’s somebody dressed in a toga, you are able to hear them.

He demonstrates how close the East and West can be…… when the East becomes conscious of history.  

Yes, his version of yoga verges onto personalism.  

I have spoken of the world turning inside out.  

He speaks of the mind of God turning inside out.  

It would be the same idea.  

What is the difference?


2210………

Were Newton and Einstein cult leaders?  

Since when has Truth become a cult?



(cont…….)

I bet he works for the CIA.

I read about some of his ex followers in Costa Rica.

Typical cult activity.

I’m with Zarathustra via Nietzsche, follow no one, keep inquiring.

But he has a good delivery.

I’ve met several of these types.

The head of this Sufi order impressed me.

https://goldensufi.org/gsc_authors/llewellyn-vaughan-lee/

I went to some of his talks.

Nisargadata never said follow me.

He shooed people away.

This is the mark of true wisdom.

This follow me line of Jesus also bugs me.

No, I will not follow you.

I’ll stand with you and break bread for a season.

But I will take on no mission or cause as my own.

That is a a mistake.

The scapegoat in the wild is never lonely.

But the herd has no idea what the wilds hold.

They have no curiosity or genius.

They only want conformity and power and authority.

This is NOT the way.

Fools.

Sheep.

Dullards.

Trolls.

As is any ego seeking power on earth.

They are the true scourge of consciousness, the true darkness.

People will be drawn to sources of light.

It happens to me too more and more.

People ask me to show them how I found what I found.

I give them some pointers and then send them on their way.

This is what a node in a network is meant to do.

But I don’t claim to teach anything.

I just share openly and freely, it is an exchange. This is refreshing in this anti-enlightenment world to some.

My smelly style is not for everyone, or most even.

Some hate me, I love when they hate me.

We should pass on what we find, as I have done on OMF, and what I do everywhere I go.

I call this sharing your gold.

Most will scoff, but for the ones ready, they will respond.

When I am really really enlightened, I will go by one name and wear a white robe.

When I am really really really enlightened I’ll drop the name

You only know me from my OMF mask.

I have a lot of 🤩 and love this earth like my own.

You don’t really know me, unless you know yourself.

—

“We must not give too much importance to personalism—it is easy to overcharge it—man moves as man, in all the great achievements—man in the great mass: yet I, too, think of Lincoln much in that same way: as you say, his poise, his simple, loftiest ability to make an emergency sacred, meet every occasion—never shrinking, never failing, never hurrying—these are things to be remembered and things 'providential' if 'providence' ever has a meaning in human affairs."

To make this life sacred is the key I feel.

I know and I don’t know.

My philosophy includes all philosophy, I am no single ist or ism.

“We can make each new day the best of days if we can get the habit.”

We have to walk between rebellion and conformity.

“My contention is for the whole man—the whole corpus—not one member—not a leg, an arm, a belly alone, but the entire corpus, nothing left out of the account. I know it will be argued that the present is the time of specialization, but that don’t answer it.”

Whitman sets me free in a flood of light—of life, of vista.

—From Walt Whitman Speaks

Whitman and Epictetus have become close friends.

Well,perhaps the world would have been better off, if the jguy had missed the boat.  

Yes, some folks have been asked to sacrifice their lives in the cause.  

Your mother attempted coercion on you, to that end.

You were able to walk away.

Many were not so fortunate.

Some of us have been benefited by the lives of others.  

Some have not been.

This was not your best possible world.  

We apologize.

Better luck next time.  

Your life was sacrificed for the lives of others.

How many martyrs have been sacrificed……. Involuntarily?

Life is not fair.  

You cannot imagine the one Soul universe.  

You believe that it is a false teaching.  

Yet, on occasion, you have claimed this to be the best possible world….. just for very different reasons.  

The alleged teachings of the jguy just happened to be one of God’s mistakes.  

More folks should have appreciated Nietzsche.  

Perhaps that is your biggest complaint.  

Some give too much importance to personalism.  

If we grant less significance to personalism, to what should we grant more significance?

We let the atoms decide……. I suppose.



(cont………)

The Jguy I think was just another face of Horus.

It seems that Chivo wishes to deny spiritual gifts.  

It is true that there is a great misuse of such gifts by politicians and such.

Rhetoric and the art of persuasion has been honed to a science of manipulation in the modern world.

One has always had to discern the spirits.

Being able to do so, is yet another gift.  

Such charisms are an important aspect of persons.

Those of us lacking such gifts, are we less persons?



(cont……..)

I deny nothing my friend.

Don’t put words in my mouth.

The only way to know your true spiritual gifts is through being a great human being.

No cheating and no other way I know.

We are material, but that ain’t all of it.

Skills and gifts abound, as do base desires and appetites in each of us.

In the BPW, you clean up your act best you can.

Intention and the choices we make lead to our greatness or weak ass sauce.

I say be great.

This is your spiritual act of worship to the cosmos.

The nameless.

To appreciate all we have negative and positive and learn to use our whole minds is best in the BPW.

The stoics saw this as the BPW too.

Don’t just feed our selfish material desires.

Epictetus the stoic used a story that greatly demonstrates what I mean.

Life is like a banquet.

They believed that the cynic who rejects all material indifferents would rule with the gods, while a polite banquet goer would be able to dine with the gods.

Pigs have no place at any table.

They get scraps.

Cynics like Diogenes who rejected all wordly comfort and John the Baptist, were called the messengers of the gods.

I have not shed all indifferents yet.

Only a few can.

But I respect the polite banquet goer who is not reaching out to fill their own stomach or line their own pockets.

They take what comes, but do not seek it.

This is my way too.

Those piggish types of muppets are common and plenty in our age and the govt/elite uses this to control them.

The elite are not elite due to control of resources and control muppets.

That’s muppet thinkin.

That’s darkness.

Those of highest quality are the elite.

A person of quality knows better, be one of this is my encouragement to all I meet.

Your left footed friends feel more like pigs to me than human beings.

Oink oink.

Epictetus wrote:"Remember that you ought to behave in life as you would at a banquet. As something is being passed around it comes to you; stretch out your hand, take a portion of it politely. It passes on; do not detain it. Or it has not come to you yet; do not project your desire to meet it, but wait until it comes in front of you. So act toward children, so toward a wife, so toward office, so toward wealth."

This is one of my favorite quotes from Epictetus. One could say that it's a good summary of the Stoic philosophy.

I like it because it provides a good framework for how to live one's life in the BPW. Opportunities may come and go. It reminds us to take advantage of them appropriately when it comes but don't hog it. If it passes you by then don't fret about it too much. Enjoy what you have in front of you and wait patiently for the next one to come along.

The hogs have missed the boat.

They are taking nothing anyway into death.

Does it matter?

That is for each to answer.

I think it all matters.

Act accordingly.

I am not my best because I expect a reward.

I am my best because I know the cosmos wants us to be and made us to be the ones who choose the best.

The muppets have the leaders they deserve.

The circumstances of life are just opportunities to show that we have understood life and our place in it, using all or gifts and skills leads to the best outcome.

If enough of us stop being pigs, our boats will rise.

If not, we will fall.

If I can rise, all can, so let’s do it!

I know anyone can rise from the muck and make themselves great.

We all have that potential.

It is sad how we waste our precious time for nothing.

Hey, I might make good a Cynic yet.

Holy quantum physicists bat man, just woke up.

Had a dream about Ron and his goon squad.

It was like the craziest lsd trip.

How does the mind make up such intricate stories.

Amazing.

Like an X files episode on crack.

My god, so lucid and wacky.

I was just watching this whole thing play out.

The craziest characters.

Bunch of old scientists who met in some hick out of the way town.

A South American hit squad was in it.

Bunch of strange old scientists.

What an insane dream.

They drugged me in it.

They did brain surgery on some woman who was a shapeshifter.

Looked skme horror movie scene how they did it.

Never saw anything like it.

Met this Asian quantum ohysicist who was making a black device.

All the scientists were like these strange old men.

I didn’t know what was going on during the whole thing.

It was all done at a restaurant in some some small town.

I just showed up.

It was the craziest dream I ever had.

Ended with a debrief with Ron yelling at everyone and Dan was just leaning against a chalkboard.

Making the shhh sign when I tried to be a smartass telling me not to say anything and just listen.

Someone in it called me the prince of god.

That was funny.

What a surreal wacky fun dream.

There was an opossum too.

WTF.

I don’t think about your stuff.

I don’t think about Ron or ufo.

This was out of left field.

You guys better stop messin

1950z……..

Hopefully, we are seeing a last desperate attempt to Balkanize the world, with China and Russia in a collusion of the unwilling.  

On second thought, national politics are polarizing apace, where countries are still able to retain some semblance of democracy.  

Does any of this have anything to do with eschatology?  

Well, eschatology is alleged to be about our return to the
Source…….. being one with the One.  

Balkanization is quite the opposite.  

It is a desperate effort keep the lid on.

Can the Truth be Balkanized?  

Can the Source be Balkanized?  

A minimum degree of global harmonization is required before the portals can open.  

Theoretically, the opening could be delayed indefinitely by a collusion of the unwilling.  

This might be where the SoT could come in handy.  

Even the most efficient of internet firewalls would have a difficult time restraining the SoT.

Here we venture into the fraught arena of the Katechon.  

The Katechon is enabling the final cosmic synchrony of the spawn of God…… we go out with a bang……. how better to overwhelm the cosmic predators?  
………


Chivo mentioned that the Stoics we’re amongst the first to come up with the BPW.  

However, the Stoics also subscribed to palingenesis, so it is not clear how their notion of recapitulation can be squared with the BPW.  

See…….. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoic_physics  

They do have about everything worked out.  

They are often thought of as being materialists, but theirs is actually just a form of pantheism that includes a good and rational God, and all of which ends in an ekpyrosis…….

Just as a relaxation in tension brings about the dissolution of the universe; so in the body, a relaxation of tension, accounts for sleep, decay, and death for the human body. After death the disembodied soul can only maintain its separate existence, even for a limited time, by mounting to that region of the universe which is akin to its nature. It was a moot point whether all souls so survive, as Cleanthes thought, or the souls of the wise and good alone, which was the opinion of Chrysippus; in any case, sooner or later individual souls are merged in the soul of the universe, from which they originated.

Hmmm ……….


0210……….

The Stoics seemed to have everything figured out, except for the jguy.  

According to Chivo, the jguy only managed to make a mess out of the purity that is Stoicism.  

The jguy was some sort of cosmic mistake.  

I happen to disagree.  

The jguy is what gives xianity its soul.  

There are three prophetic traditions, and only xianity has a soul.  

Is that being too harsh?

xianity nailed personalism…… made it a cosmic principle…… in theory and practice.  

We’ll see what happens when the portals open.  

My claim is that you won’t make it back to the Source without understanding the jguy.  

The jguy will be essential to your inertial guidance.  

And what about the SoT?  

The Stoics lacked nothing in the Truth department.  

Well, that is except for personalism.  

The only thing lacking there was an actual person.  

They had a metanarrative, but they lacked a core story.



(cont………)

Yah, they saw the fire in us as the thing that persists.

And that all of nature was god basically.

Stoic metaphor below depicts philosophy itself as a garden where:

“Logic is the walls, metaphysics the soil, and ethics the fruit.”

Metaphysics leads to "the discipline of desire" directed at amor fati (love of fate) and requires "living in agreement" with what nature/fate has in store for us. Ethics leads to "the discipline of action," which requires living in agreement with all human beings. Logic leads to "the discipline of assent," which requires living in agreement with one's own psychological make-up.

That’s just great and a 1000x more practical than most religious systems.

Christians did so much to water this down.

After Socrates and the Cynics, the third large influence on Stoicism was the pre-Socratic philosopher Heraclitus (c.535–c.475 BCE), from whom a number of metaphysical views were drawn. The most fundamental of these were monism and materialism [Gaarder, 110]. The world consists of only one kind of substance, and that is matter. Zeno was reportedly an extreme materialist himself, asserting that mathematical and moral truths, and God, as well as the soul, must be composed of matter. He regarded this as "common sense: contrasted against the superstitions of his era [Russell, 261]. Unlike the Epicurean materialists, however, the Stoics were not atomists [Aurelius, Bk. X, §6]. Instead, they thought in terms of the four elements of water, earth, air, and fire.

Many modern atheist stoics are at a dead end in my opinion, stoicism is not stoicism without Zeus and fire.

In keeping with Stoic materialism, although Zeus is the Creator, he is not separate from the world—as Greek philosophers usually conceived of God—but an immanent part of it. Nor is he the bearded Mt. Olympus resident of Greek mythology. Rather, the Stoic God is present within us because the fire of each person's mortal soul “contains a part of the Divine Fire” [Russell, 262], which is immortal. It is because the Stoics regarded the Logos as well as the world-soul as identical with Zeus (a view made possible by their materialism) [Russell, 264], that they believed all human beings share in the Logos, too. Hence Marcus Aurelius can say: the “soul and reason which every man carries within him” is a “divinity which is God's deputy” [Aurelius, Bk. V]. Chrysippus agreed with Zeno that the human soul was mortal, but introduced a degree of life after death. His view was that the souls of the wise survive in a disembodied existence “until the next... conflagration (when everything is absorbed into God)” [Russell, 265].

So let’s be honest, no one knows.

But something within us is revealing and provides gnosis, Logos.

I have developed my relationship with this force through direct contact.

It’s real.

Call it what you like, holy guardian Angel, the Will, it is this regulating force, the spirit.

But your ego and persona die with your body in their system, so do all your troubles

All our troubles in life can be traced back to our ignorance of this force.

It seems to me to be god’s cheat and what is meant when they say god is closer than your breath.

But I do not think about life after death.

That isn’t my concern.

Living the best you can today is the best anyone can do.

The Stoics kept it simple and practical and I think that’s best and correlates with the Middle Way.

We use reason AND intuition.

And one who has skills in both is a super Human Being.

That’s our real destiny.

It is essence and existence both.

Just my smelly experience and opinion.

My Will drives me to show the others and I have found nothing better than being a great human being, which the stoics seem to have figured out much better than most in all of our history.

Only a fool selfish debased muppet would turn their back on such a treasure.

This is gold.

Lol they're usually a lot more chill in my dreams.

I do have strict parameters though.

I remember tiRA the psychic telling me not to take things so personally during my reading when I went to Sinai for vacation.

I never could figure how to do that, hahaha!

Seems I'm a Personalist!

I guess that's something you have to want to learn.

The Politics of truth and the Air Force (or, are portals tracked?)

WHY IS THE AIR FORCE AWOL ON THE UAP ISSUE? by Chris Mellon

As progeny of the Enlightenment, we are a nation that believes in compassion but also rational, objective, fact-based inquiry. The scientific mindset produced by the Enlightenment lies at the root of most modern advances in medicine, technology, and living standards; but this mindset sometimes clashes with our natural human instinct to avoid topics that challenge core beliefs or undermine our standing in the community. Are we reaching the limit of the questions we are brave enough to ask or data we are brave enough to pursue? If so, will that also limit our further progress as a nation? From that perspective, the UAP issue is a serious test of our intellectual integrity and courage; perhaps even the ultimate test. Although it is a stern test, I believe our civilian policymakers have the courage and integrity needed to rise to the challenge.

https://thedebrief.org/why-is-the-air-force-awol-on-the-uap-issue/