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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Oct 07, 2021 2:32 am

    First topic message reminder :

    “Nature's first green is gold,
    Her hardest hue to hold.
    Her early leaf's a flower;
    But only so an hour.
    Then leaf subsides to leaf.
    So Eden sank to grief,
    So dawn goes down to day.
    Nothing gold can stay.”

    —Robert Frost



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Dec 29, 2021 6:05 pm

    “He whose face gives no light,
    shall never become a star.”

    —William Blake
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Dec 29, 2021 7:39 pm

    “What is man,
    the suns light when he unfolds it,
    depends on the organ that beholds it.”

    —WB



    “If the doors of perception were cleansed every thing would appear to man as it is, Infinite. For man has closed himself up, till he sees all things thro' narrow chinks of his cavern.”

    ― William Blake, The Marriage of Heaven and Hell

    “If a thing loves, it is infinite.”

    ― William Blake
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri Dec 31, 2021 11:58 am

    I don’t have any opinion on the sun going out.

    Have fun with that Dan.

    Covid is the physical manifestation of the mind virus of progress, Wetiko.

    It has a long chain of causes.

    Elon Musk suggested wokeness is a mind virus.

    No Elon, your whole life is a manifestation of Wetiko, check your own mind and heart I love you for worms 🪱



    Idries Shaw is an interesting fellow pointing at the only thing to point to.

    Idries has some ties to Gurdjieff as well possibly.

    They could be related to a secret Sufi group out of Afghanistan that was active in the 18th and 19th centuries.

    Their teachings seem to be from the same esoteric source.

    Something only relatable through direct gnosis and experience.

    Their sect is as real and powerful as Neoplatonism or the Pythagoreans.

    This is all related to this nameless ancient religion again.

    One known through no book, but directly experienced.

    Thought this an interesting alternative esoteric take from the Islamic view below on the Murdered One.

    Sorry, western scholars are not going to know Islamic mysticism better than an Islamic mystic.

    Some western eastern scholars have crossed over to the other side sort of speak.

    You can recognize it in their writing.

    You can smell it.

    Politics makes religion sticky business and if you upset the apple cart with real power, they will kill you.

    They don’t want the apple cart knocked over.

    I am studying the Murdered One’s teachings and life.

    The Sufis and Islamic scholars know him best.

    They cover aspects the west ignores mostly unfortunately.

    The Sufis are a pure source to what was revealed to our consciousness so many thousands of years ago maybe.

    I should really document my studies on YouTube, but I am not really motivated too atm.

    They were formed up around 600 AD and not originally named Sufis. They were formed out of streams going back to the old nameless religion maybe.

    See Peter Kingsley here and others like those below who you can maybe suss out.

    My interest in the Sufis of course mirrors my interest inside myself.

    I am curious about what others find down inside there’s good and bad, beautiful and hideous.

    Kingsley was a great scholar who was engulfed by his gnosis.

    He is scoffed at today by his former peers.

    But respected folks in the field said he was brilliant when younger.

    They don’t know what to make of him now.

    This ancient nameless religion has been forgotten and remembered many times.

    Henry Corbin bridged to the Islamic scholars.

    You have to learn so many languages to study this stuff academically or you can have your own experience with it intuitively.

    It must be impossible to stand up against capitalist dominated academia in the west.

    I feel for the eastern scholars who bring direct experience to bear on their studies.

    That’s the only way.

    The Sufis bridge east and west. It resonates with me like aspects of Hermeticism and Gnosticism and Zen and Taoism.

    Gnosis based, left brain bypassing forms of experience.

    Sufis are non-dualists and related to earlier Greek sources it seems.

    There is a strange new age white Sufi experience, but I am looking for more direct sources.

    You have to go with the flow and work with what shows up:

    At this point, there is no path, you have to see everything as a sign and directly engage your imagination as a form of meditation.

    You must never stop learning to live.

    Listening and feeling and watching and baking on it all.

    Like cooking a fine meal.

    Timing is important.

    Heat is important.

    Ratio of ingredients is important.

    Altitude is important.

    Seasoning and temp are key ingredients to any great meal.

    I will need to seek out a true sufi or should I say, one is awaiting me I believe.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri Dec 31, 2021 12:41 pm

    “Do not look at my outward shape,
    but take what is in my hand.” —Rumi

    “The Way of the Sufi” playlist

    https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLxgKRG5rfVFZysNXOt_Q9Zb9NRpZZkjQW
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sat Jan 01, 2022 12:28 pm

    Drink your own urine anyone as a path to nothing?

    No thanks.

    But I can’t say never 🐐



    This guy Ruck is quite a maverick classicist.

    I like anyone the muppets reject.

    That’s why I love Dan so much Wink



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sat Jan 01, 2022 2:55 pm

    Whatever comes into words is not it.

    To speak of some things belittles them.

    Ego is the focal point of attention.

    To lose your mind is to lose focus on yourself.

    The ego is the one always in anxiety. The trouble shooter.

    To identify yourself only with this focus is a mistake.

    To see its place is for it to be restored to the role of the servant.

    Muppets are egos pretending to be the master.

    You know when the master is home.

    And you know what the servant is pretending.

    To know is to become crazy.

    Best to forget what you know and go straight on, but watch your step.

    There are words of intellect and ones of love.

    The lover is a loon and will not be understood by the muppet.

    Still, words of love flow.

    These are not the words of the ego.

    Love is not spoken.

    It is participation.

    Love happens in conversation.

    And in silence.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Jan 02, 2022 4:49 am

    Ibn Arabi received all his knowledge at once.

    He met god in Mecca who presented itself as a youth claiming to be mature creation.

    And it said Arabi should study the etchings on its body.

    That’s pretty good.

    This is the loci of gods self disclosure.

    It has infinite attributes and forms in creation that are not what it is.

    Its self disclosure is essence and existence at the same time and always unfolding.

    There is only one reality, being projected onto non-being.

    The things in the world are its reflected attributes and contain the light.

    This is the apparent always experienced aspects of god.

    The Sufis are all in on monotheism.

    There is only light and its frequencies and shadows formed through occlusion by non-being.

    Reality is oneness and nothing exists but god he claims.

    Similarity and difference.

    He and not he.

    The same, but utterly different.

    One must see through both eyes.

    If you profess essence and existence, you are a master.

    God is always present and always not present.

    Be in distinction and unity.

    Be successful in both aspects Ibn encouraged.

    Follow love, like a camel, through the desert.

    All creeds are true ultimately.

    Embrace all forms of belief.

    Do not limit what can’t be limited.

    Everyone is really worshipping themselves.

    Each can only see through one’s own nature.

    We worship our own mental creations.

    Imagination is where we meet god.

    But isn’t this idolatry, not when you don't limit god in your own mental images.

    The station of no station.

    The solar heart can take any form and see god in all form.

    One follows love, not mental images, the innermost cause of creation.

    I think Ibn tangled with the abyss indeed.

    This is not the end of days, but our story of apparent separation and reunification.

    The friend found is ourself.

    Now I feel silly for ever looking beyond myself Ibn’s poem says.

    Non-existence can’t unite with no limit.

    Know thyself is Ibn’s message.

    Same message, different form.

    You find your face wherever you look.

    Our being is god’s being.

    Uniting is not a process, it’s a realization.

    The fantasy of you ends.

    Except for the necessary, nothing remains.

    Lot of Neoplatonism in his thought.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Jan 02, 2022 4:21 pm

    William Blake railed against Newton’s Sleep, the acceptance of nothing beyond sense perception.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Jan 02, 2022 10:55 pm

    This was really a great chat.



    Someone asked. "Not mistaking the way - what is that like?"

    Joshu said. "Know your mind. See into your true nature. This is 'not mistaking the way.'"
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Jan 05, 2022 12:24 am

    “Conscious faith is freedom.
    Emotional faith is slavery.
    Mechanical faith is foolishness.”

    — G.I. Gurdjieff

    Some will not awaken.

    They are in love with the dark.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monster_group#Moonshine

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Jan 06, 2022 10:53 pm

    There were plenty of questions.

    But I found there ain’t no right or wrong answers.

    There is just old Uncle Charlie’s bar down by the pier.

    I found my way to the end of the bar one fine orange fall day when all my questions had flown away like a murder of crows.

    There I was, sippin a bitter warm beer at the end of the bar.

    Old Uncle Charlie sat down beside me, he laughed and clinked his beer against mine, “L’chaim!”

    “How’s life so far kid?” he growled in that old wise sandy voice.

    His words were sharp and sank deep.

    Silence hung between us forever it seemed, until we both burst out laughing.

    I shot him a side glance and blurted out, “My favorite part was kissin the girl.”

    “There was something about her that was different.”

    “Something that gave me hope.”

    “That’s my boy! Love is really never lost!” he shouted as he smacked me on the back.

    “What happened?!”

    She’s waitin for me outside.

    “Well hell! Why did you end up here again then at the end of the bar with a groovy girl outside?!”

    “I just wanted to say thanks.”

    “My pleasure.”

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Jan 09, 2022 10:41 am

    The Obeah and the Wanga

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    In France itself, which was the citadel of the new rationalism associated with Descartes and Wolf, the Eighteenth Century was witness to Martines De Pasqually, reviver of certain of the Traditional sciences and a Christian and a Freemason at the same time.'

    Seyyed Hossein Nasr, 'Knowledge and the Sacred' 1981

    'Imago Templi' by NAOS. This art video induces in the viewer who contemplates it in the right inward disposition, a symbolic-initiatory meditative vision: the Primordial Adam, Cosmic Anthropos as the universal Temple, the Archetypal Reau-Croix and Homme-Dieu emanated in his original station of Quaternary virtue at the Centre, the Terrestrial Paradise, preceding the Fall: the 'Mirific Name' of IHShVH is the Eternal Logos, the 'Word Made Flesh', the Divine Repairer and Regenerator of all Creation, the New Adam whose salvific Mysterium  heralds the ultimate 'Restitution of All Things' in the Apocatastasis, the transfiguring vision of the Heavenly Paradise, the New Jerusalem, the Celestial City.

    'This is the essential thing to bear in mind in our phenomenology of the Imago Templi: the intention to rebuild the Temple of Jerusalem was common both to the knights Templar and to the mystical brotherhoods, variously designated as the Brothers of the Thebaid desert, the Knights of the Morning and of Palestine...To both of them is ascribed the secret intention of establishing, with the new Temple, a gnostic Church of the Elect, a universal metropolis corresponding, perhaps, to "the secret dream of the oriental patriarchs"...J.B Willermoz professed a profound spirituality which was centred on the Imago Templi. In this sense his "instructions" are worthy of long study, as a textbook of Temple spirituality. They lead to an interiorization that could profitably be compared to Philo's...Proceeding along this way, we come to the meeting-point of Celtism and Templarism, of Celtic tradition or hierology and Hierosolymite tradition or hierology...Celtism and Templarism come together: in Wolfram's "Titurel", the Temple is conceived and the building of it directed by Merlin, the Celtic prophet, who was initiated by Joseph of Arimithea into the mystical measurements of the temple-archetype, the Temple of Solomon.'

    Henry Corbin,  'Temple and Contemplation' chapter 5, 1980

    “How to get rid of ego as dictator and turn it into messenger and servant and scout, to be in your service, is the trick.”

    —Joseph Campbell - "The Hero's Journey: Joseph Campbell on His Life and Work"
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Jan 09, 2022 11:22 am

    God is dead?

    https://aeon.co/essays/how-to-fulfil-the-need-for-transcendence-after-the-death-of-god

    I killed god myself.

    I wrapped my hands around its neck and I squeezed as hard as I could.

    The form of god writhed under my hands and finally just evaporated into a black cloud.

    Oh the wailing heard from the walls of the inner citadel.

    “He’s finally done it!”

    What a vacuum opened up in me, a black hole.

    My doubt had come full circle.

    In the ruins of my love of god, I found a crying baby.

    Where the illusion had been, now there was a baby.

    My soul.

    I am not a very good parent and struggled to feed the baby.

    But now the baby is a little boy.

    A very inquisitive, fun and happy little boy.

    I know one day, this child will kill me.

    And that is acceptable to me.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Jan 09, 2022 1:31 pm

    Some more highlights from the above Aeon article.

    It is quite good.

    “Altizer, who worked at the Methodist seminary of Emory University in Atlanta, had a different approach, writing in The Gospel of Christian Atheism (1966) that ‘Every man today who is open to experience knows that God is absent, but only the Christian knows that God is dead, that the death of God is a final and irrevocable event and that God’s death has actualised in our history a new and liberated humanity.’ What unified disparate approaches is a claim from the German Lutheran Paul Tillich, who in his Systematic Theology, Volume 1 (1951) would skirt paradox when he provocatively claimed that ‘God does not exist. He is being-itself beyond essence and existence. Therefore, to argue that God exists is to deny him.’“

    Being itself is where we have ended up.

    “Praying towards science, art or an idol – all responses to disenchantment, but not honest ones.”

    “What does any of this mean practically? Radical theology is unsparing; none of it comes easily. It demands an intensity, focus and seriousness, and more importantly a strange faith. It has unleashed a range of reactions in the contemporary era, ranging from an embrace of the cultural life of faith absent any supernatural claims, to a rigorous course of mysticism and contemplation that moves beyond traditional belief. For some, like Vahanian, it meant a critical awareness that the rituals of religion must enter into a ‘post-Christian’ moment, whereby the lack of meaning would be matched by a countercultural embrace of Jesus as a moral guide. Others embraced an aesthetic model and a literary interpretation of religion, an approach known as ‘theopoetics’. Altizer meanwhile understood the death of God as a transformative revolutionary incident, interpreting the ruptures caused by secularism as a way to reorient our perspective on divinity.”

    We were born into the breach in our age. Not always fun. Like no other time before in a way and also like every age that has seen massive upheaval in our relationship with being.

    “Apophatic theology emphasises that God – the divine, the sacred, the transcendent, the noumenal – can’t be expressed in language. God is not something – God is the very ground of being. Those who practised apophatic theology – 2nd-century Clement of Alexandria, 4th-century Gregory of Nyssa, and 6th-century Pseudo-Dionysius the Areopagite – promulgated a method that has come to be known as the via negativa. According to this approach, nothing positive can be said about God that is true, not even that He exists. ‘We do not know what God is,’ the 9th-century Irish theologian John Scotus Eriugena wrote. ‘God Himself does not know what He is because He is not anything. Literally God is not’”

    “How these apophatic theologians approached the transcendent in the centuries before Nietzsche’s infamous theocide was to understand that God is found not in descriptions, dogmas, creeds, theologies or anything else. Even belief in God tells us nothing about God, this abyss, this void, this being beyond all comprehension. Far from being simple atheists, the apophatic theologians had God at the forefront of their thoughts, in a place closer than their hearts even if unutterable. This is the answer of how to pray to a ‘dead God’: by understanding that neither the word ‘dead’ nor ‘God’ means anything at all.

    Eleven centuries before Arnold heard the roar of faith’s tide and Nietzsche declared that God was dead, the Hindu sage Adi Shankara recounted a parable in his commentary to the Brahma Sutras, a text that was already a millennium old. Shankara writes that the great teacher Bhadva was asked by a student what Brahma – the ground of all Being – actually was. According to Shankara, Bhadva was silent. Thinking that perhaps he had not been heard, the student asked again, but still Bhadva was quiet. Again, the student repeated his question – ‘What is God?’ – and, again, Bhadva would not answer. Finally, exasperated, the young man demanded to know why Bhadva would not respond to the question. ‘I am teaching you,’ Bhadva replied.”

    Anyone speaking about the supreme or god in word or prophecy, literally has no idea what they are talking about.

    It is closer than heart and beyond words.

    This supersedes all books, creeds and words.

    Being itself is our foundation and cause.

    The word God is just a placeholder for being.

    This awareness is before ego.

    Ego is a servant of the most high.

    None of us can claim to be alone or above.

    Being claims nothing, but inherits all.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sat Jan 15, 2022 3:32 pm

    “Song Of The Stars"

    We are the stars which sing
    We sing with our light
    We are the birds of fire
    We fly over the sky

    Our light is a voice
    We make a road for the spirit to pass over
    For the spirit to pass over

    [Algonquian Indian]

    We are like the wind
    Wrapped in lumious wings
    We make a road for the spirit to pass over
    For the spirit of pass over

    Outò, ba mwen son ou,e
    Outò, ba mwen son ou,e
    Tanbouyè, o ba mwen son ou
    Solèy lève

    Outò, give me your sound
    Outò, give me your sound
    Drummer, give me your sound
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sat Jan 15, 2022 4:15 pm

    One of my favorite paintings and pieces of music.

    You can see faces in the clouds and a bearded man kissing the moon if you let the music work on you.



    In that state, you are very very close to your source, to love.

    It is a kindness that the sun cannot grant.

    You can only experience this in the reflection of the cosmic light.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Jan 18, 2022 1:32 am

    Like to share a cautionary tale about believing UFO BS on the internet.

    There is a woman named Kerry Cassidy who runs Project Camelot.

    She is such a con and fraud.

    She did a highly popular video with a Bill Wood about Project Looking Glass around 2012.

    He claimed to be a seal from a fictitious seal team 9, a psychic unit.

    Well, dig into this guy a bit and you see he’s on the run related to his child molestation of his 11 year old step daughter in early 2000s. He went to prison for it.

    Of course the loonies believe anything they hear and say this must be a cover up.

    Lot of YouTube and Reddit discussion on this 2012 hoax of Bill’s.

    This is the same type of person into Q and who follow Trump.

    This is brainwashing and psychosis on a massive scale.

    This ex seal below, Shipley, went after this fraud Bill Wood for claiming to be a Seal.

    If you look into this Bill Wood aka Bill Brockbrader, you get to the deeper story of his fraud.



    Weird, since I just posted this url, all the YouTube’s on OMF are not displaying.

    https://youtu.be/XZImLpe0b_w

    Could Bill be real?

    Could this be a smear campaign?

    Do they use child pedophile coverups?

    If what Bill says in the 2012 interview about Looking Glass is real, you would think they certainly would do this.

    Camelot site is a joke btw, total garbage.

    The girl he molested is very public now.

    What is the most likely explanation?

    The guy was trying to cash in on 2012.

    He was trying to hide his past.

    Bold to claim to be a seal.

    There is one weird thing I experienced listening to the looking glass 2012 interview with Bill.

    Bill mentioned the Oathkeepers in his interview.

    Strange correlation to Oathkeepers today.

    The story has some strange twists.

    Michael Jaco was a former seal that said he remembered Bill in seal training.

    Now this Jaco guy is telling all sorts of crazy scifi shit.

    Seems to be trying to cash in as well, or is he a disinformation agent?

    Show the proof or shut up.

    Strange stuff.

    The info travels like a virus and infects susceptible muppets.

    Jaco interview.



    Oh boy.

    Have you seen Grant Cameron’s stuff recently?

    Seems fraudulent as well.

    Making money.

    To OMF folks Grant is gold.

    OMF is full of fraudulent stuff.

    Hey, but listen, I’m not a fraud.

    I claim nothing.

    Is Dan a fraud too or a dupe?

    I’m gonna guess he is what I always suspected, a mentally unstable dupe.

    His Dad said, 'I'm a professor all right. But I was always violently anti-New Deal.'

    Dan’s Dad was against helping people.

    He enslaved us.

    This whole UFO Q Trump thing, has been about one thing I think, disenfranchise the slaves.

    Ron?

    My guess is they are frauds like Bill.

    Always suspected it.

    The Princess thing seems fraudulent too.

    How about U and Aaron?

    Cy?

    It’s a deep hole to be sure.

    Jack Sarfatti has such an interesting past, but seems very fraudulent now.

    Deepak Chopra is a snake oil salesman.

    He’s a big part of the new nondualism movement because he has the smell of authenticity.

    I’ve always suspected they were all full of shit.

    But I couldn’t let it go.

    I’ve never pursued this con or participated.

    I’ve been a skeptic from the beginning.

    But when you smell shit…it might be on your shoes.

    Well, so who is smelly goat?

    A smelly goat.

    I hear Diogenes laughing.

    So could these bozos all be playing bozos?

    Sure.

    They could be part of a massive intelligence operation.

    Have I been duped?

    I’ve never carried any water related to any of this.

    But my sincere participation certainly could have been used.

    Well, it has been fun for sure to joust with Dan.

    At least I had fun.

    I’m not one to believe anyone and I don’t.

    Never have and never will trust anything I have not revealed to myself.

    I don’t trust my senses either.

    I let my imagination run a bit.

    I’m usually a good guesser and these days, my gut has been pretty good.

    Beware anyone who says 5D on the internet.

    Total bullshit.

    So, where to from here?

    Straight on.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Jan 19, 2022 1:02 pm

    I’m sick of all the lies.

    Really, I’m sick of all the lies.

    Had some strange contact yesterday.

    I posted 42 as an answer a couple places joking around in response to questions about the meaning of life.

    This was a joke the author of Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy said was the answer to the ultimate question.

    So then, picking a tarot card, watching two movies and reading randomly internet stuff I saw the number 42 that day, 5 times.

    That was weird.

    The cosmos does have a sense of humor.

    It made all us muppets after all.

    Then it filled their heads with lies.

    That’s pretty funny.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Jan 20, 2022 3:49 am

    Master of the Temple wrote:In Thelema, we talk about one’s individual coordinates in the Universe, and how that creates one’s own unique perspective. Schopenhauer refers to this perspective as ‘Idea.’ And indeed, he summarizes the whole of phenomenological philosophy succinctly: “…this whole world, is only object in relation to subject, perception of a perceiver, in a word, idea.”

    Expanding on this, he states that the subject is the knower, as the object in a world of objects “lies within the universal forms of knowledge,” which he will come to compare to Plato’s theory of forms. Schopenhauer then equates Idea with Will; each being but a different aspect of the Universe. “For as the world is in one aspect entirely idea, so in another it is entirely will.” But for the idea coming into form, these forms are put into a hierarchy of grades; the highest of which “express themselves in innumerable individuals and particulars, and are related to these as archetypes to their copies”—almost perfectly reflecting Plato’s speculation and perhaps even prefiguring Jung’s ideas on archetypes.

    The phenomenal relation between subject and object, Schopenhauer determines, “has meaning and existence only through and for the other.” In other words, without the object of perception there is no ontological development of consciousness for the subject. So that all knowledge is intimately entwined with a-priori perception, which he calls the principle of sufficient reason. And it is this principle that forms the basis of experience and action that comes through “the law of causation and of motive.” Thus, we get time and space (position) as the ‘ground of being.’

    Schopenhauer then quotes Plato:

    “The things of this world which our senses perceive have no true being; they always become, they never are: they have only a relative being; they all exist merely in and through their relations to each other; their whole being may, therefore, quite as well be called non-being. They are consequently not objects of a true knowledge, for such a knowledge can only be of what exists for itself, and always in the same way; they, on the contrary, are only the objects of an opinion based on sensation. So long as we are confined to the perception of these, we are like men who sit in a dark cave, bound so fast that they cannot turn their heads, and who see nothing but the shadows of real things which pass between them and a fire burning behind them, the light of which casts the shadows on the wall opposite them; and even of themselves and of each other they see only the shadows on the wall. Their wisdom would thus consist in predicting the order of the shadows learned from experience. The real archetypes, on the other hand, to which these shadows correspond, the eternal Ideas, the original forms of all things, can alone be said to have being, because they always are, but never become nor pass away. To them belongs no multiplicity; for each of them is according to its nature only one, for it is the archetype itself, of which all particular transitory things of the same kind which are named after it are copies or shadows. They have also no coming into being nor passing away, for they are truly being, never becoming nor vanishing, like their fleeting shadows. Of these only can there be true knowledge, for the object of such knowledge can only be that which always and in every respect is; not that which is and again is not, according as we look at it.”

    For all those ego-loser spiritual teachers who maintain this universe is an illusion (Maya), Schopenhauer has a response. “The world of objects is and remains idea, and therefore wholly and forever determined by the subject; that is to say, it has transcendental ideality. But it is not therefore illusion or mere appearance; it presents itself as that which it is, idea, and then as a series of ideas of which the common bond is the principle of sufficient reason.” Therefore, if the universe is illusion, all our knowledge must also be false or non-existent, and we ourselves (the subject) are not real.

    The principle of sufficient reason that is the a-priori relation between subject and object, and that arouses consciousness then also gives us ideas about perception and becomes the ‘ground of our being.’ So that consciousness and being are essentially, one and the same. This leads to knowledge and understanding the ‘outer world’ of objects (a-priori) and demonstrates its truth, by way of causation, and thus, reason. But it is important to determine the “correct inference from effect on the immediate object to its cause. Error is opposed to truth, as deception of the reason: illusion is opposed to reality, as deception of the understanding.”

    Regarding the ego-loser spiritual teachers mentioned above, Schopenhauer has something to add here, as they dispute the reality of this world. This “can only occur to a mind perverted by over-subtlety, and such discussion always arise from a false application of the principle of sufficient reason.” In other words, a false relation between subject and object and the false ideas that are created from this. Liber AL vel Legis addresses this by merely stating that reason is a lie. And of this, we have to refer to Hume who correctly asserts that our reason is directly affected by our passions, and thus becomes rationalization.

    But is AL then throwing the baby out with the bathwater? Phenomenology, as a philosophical science must then be that which interferes with the passions and inserts a protective measure of objectivity; essentially removing the influence of the passions. And so that as Schopenhauer asserts, “That which is correctly known by reason is truth.” Yet it is neither from the subject, nor the object that consciousness comes into being, but from the Idea, and it is this that speaks to the inner nature of the world. It is the human faculty of reflection that then brings us to the correct idea. Schopenhauer says that “the knowledge of perception, [sic] is a reflected appearance of [the object], and that the “forms of perception do not affect it, and even the principle of sufficient reason which reigns over all objects has an entirely different aspect with regard to it.” This, he asserts is a highly endowed consciousness that distinguishes human consciousness from animals.

    This as ‘ideas of ideas’ is a conceptual awareness in contrast with the lesser awareness of animals that can only form precepts (ideas). Julian Jaynes also refers to this in his work, The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind. And it is these ‘ideas of ideas’ that we call abstract knowledge. And Schopenhauer elaborates on this: “Rational knowledge is therefore abstract consciousness, the permanent possession in concepts of the reason, of what has become known in another way.”

    In order to attain to this conceptual awareness, Schopenhauer states that “this can only happen by an alteration taking place in the subject, which is analogous and corresponds to the great change of the whole nature of the object, and by virtue of which the subject, so are as it knows an Idea, is no more individual.” Ideas are thus transcendental knowledge, and transform us as individuals into our universal beingness. The apprehension of these ideas as archetypes presents an evolution of our understanding (qabalistic pun); taking us outside the a-priori (space-time), above the Abyss to Binah.

    But Schopenhauer does not break entirely from David Hume, and inadvertently corroborates the assertion we gave from Liber AL vel Legis:

    “Now, reason itself, strange as it may seem, is guilty of the same one-sidedness, indeed one might say of the same crude ignorance arising from vanity, for it classes under one concept, “feeling,” every modification of consciousness which does not immediately belong to its own mode of apprehension, that is to say, which is not an abstract concept. It has had to pay the penalty of this hitherto in misunderstanding and confusion in its own province, because its own procedure had not become clear to it through self-knowledge, for a special faculty of feeling has been set up, and new theories of it are constructed.”

    Feeling, Schopenhauer asserts, is not a concept, nor abstract knowledge, but Qabalists understand that it is emotional, and thus, contra-balanced against the intellect on the Tree-of-Life (Netzach against Hod). But also, of the realm of feeling is what is conceptualized as virtue and holiness. These in the outer world of action, becomes “the expression of which is the whole man himself,” and thus a product of the Will. Indeed, as Schopenhauer also asserts, “every one knows what the world is without help, for he is himself that subject of knowledge of which the world is idea.” Therefore, as asserted in Thelema, ‘Thou hast no right, but to do thy will.’

    Turning to culture, we are inspired by Schopenhauer’s introduction to the concept: “For at the present day every one who does not wish to remain uncultured, and to be numbered with the ignorant and incompetent multitude, must study speculative philosophy.” Thus, he attributes to the man or woman of Genius, an acculturation that distinguishes one from the human herd of the profane. In the transition to Idea one negates the “common knowledge of particular things,” which he says, “takes place suddenly; for knowledge breaks free from the service of the will, by the subject ceasing to be merely individual, and thus becoming the pure will-less subject of knowledge.” And we can deduce from this that Genius is then, a Master of the Temple in Thelemic terms.

    The Genius then “forgets even his individuality, his will, and only continues to exist as the pure subject, the clear mirror of the object, so that it is as if the object alone were there, without any one to perceive it, and he can no longer separate the perceiver from the perception, but both have become one, because the whole consciousness is filled and occupied with one single sensuous picture.” And we find in this, a perfect description of Samadhi, so that the Idea becomes “the eternal form, the immediate objectivity of the will;” so that “the individual has lost himself;” becoming the “pure, will-less, painless, timeless subject of knowledge.”

    Note that the assertion of the will is a constant struggle in a world of contending forces, and can produce nothing but pain and longing, as the Buddhists assert. But through knowledge (qabalistic pun) one attains to the highest form; true being in Schopenhauer’s hierarchy of forms, and no longer subject to the world of shadows, as Plato relates. Further, Schopenhauer states the pure subject of knowledge knows only Ideas, and it is thus that the Ideas of the Master of the Temple pervades the collective consciousness of the human generation in the present and future; even that it is timeless and can be found to be also obvious in the past, though it wasn’t recognized before.

    We can then deduce that the Minor Adept attains to the pure objectification of the Will (Thelema), which is the creation of beauty; it being truth of itself, but exists in form, by way of sufficient reason. But in transcendence of this, Idea becomes (no pun intended; cf. Plato quote) its complement; the Agape, which is fully declared in the gematric equivalence of these two Greek words. In transcending the phenomenal world and becoming the Master of the Temple, and pervading the collective psyche, one “becomes in this way directly conscious that, as such, he is the condition, that is, the supporter of the world and all objective existence; for this now shows itself as dependent upon his existence.”

    Art then, becomes the teleological goal of universal existence (the Agape); its summit and master plan; that as Heidegger would assert, generates history that he gives to beingness. Though Schopenhauer presents some disagreement, on the subject, of art, Schopenhauer proves most profound—the history of art bringing beingness to a culture. Thus, in the Heideggerian sense, Divine Providence is the manifestation and descent of the Shekinah; Binah into Malkuth (Mother and Daughter).

    “But what kind of knowledge is concerned with that which is outside and independent of all relations, that which alone is really essential to the world, the true content of its phenomena, which is subject to no change, and therefore is known with equal truth for all time, in a word, the Ideas, which are the direct and adequate objectivity of the thing in-itself, the will? We answer, Art, the work of genius. It repeats or reproduces the eternal Ideas grasped through pure contemplation, the essential and abiding in all the phenomena of the world; and according to what the material is in which it reproduces is sculptor or painting, poetry or music. Its one source is the knowledge of Ideas, its one aim the communication of this knowledge.”

    Schopenhauer continues by claiming the method of genius only has any validity or practical use in art. And whether through quiet contemplation, or raging passion, we can assert that art produces the eternal, teleological Idea in its ideal, Platonic forms; being archetypal in nature and disclosing the structural integrity of the human soul through all qabalistic worlds. Schopenhauer describes two methods that are disclosed in one through Aristotle and the other, through Plato.

    “The first is the method of Aristotle; the second is, on the whole, that of Plato. The first is like the mighty storm, that rushes along without beginning and without aim, bending agitating, and carrying away everything before it; the second is like the silent sunbeam, that pierces through the storm quite unaffected by it. The first is like the unnumerable showing drops of the waterfall, which, constantly changing, never rest for an instant; the second is like the rainbow, quietly resting on this raging torrent. Only through the pure contemplation described above, which ends entirely in the object, can Ideas be comprehended; and the nature of genius consists in pre-eminent capacity for such contemplation.”

    Assigning imagination as the “essential element of genius,” Schopenhauer states that art “extends the intellectual horizon of the man of genius beyond the objects which actually present themselves to him.” And through the artist, we find “works which have retained through all time an enduring value for mankind.” But also, of those who are not of genius in any consistent manner, they must be capable of transcending their personality in moments to enjoy the aesthetic pleasure of art, and hold just enough genius in them to recognize Genius. That the Master of the Temple becomes a voice for the Ages, in each generation, there must be those of lesser genius that can perceive such.

    It is through beauty, that again, belongs to the realm of the Minor Adept that Genius must then lift one “to the purest kind of knowledge,” suggesting Da’ath, as the Holy Guardian Angel pushes one into the Abyss. We thus come to a state of ‘pure knowing,’ as we transition from a “sense of the beautiful to that of the sublime.” In this, we demonstrate moving from the individual Will (Thelema) to the Universal Will (Agape). Schopenhauer then goes onto seemingly providing a perfect description of the Ordeal of the Abyss, one’s glimpse into the City of the Pyramids with its casting of a star into the heavens, and then one’s immersion back into the Ruach.

    “Then, in the undismayed beholder, the two-fold nature of his consciousness reaches the highest deree of distinctness. He perceives himself, on the one hand, as an individual, as the trail phenomenon of will, which the slightest touch of these forces can utterly destroy, helpless against powerful nature, dependent, the victim of chance, a vanishing nothing in the presence of stupendous might; and, on the other hand, as the eternal, peaceful, knowing subject, the condition of the object, and, therefore, the supporter of this whole world; the terrific strife of nature only his idea; the subject itself free and apart from all desires and necessities, in the quiet comprehension of the Ideas. This is the complete impression of the sublime. Here he obtains a glimpse of power beyond all comparison superior to the individual, threatening it with annihilation.”

    The nature of the sublime is then, deeper than reflective consciousness, and can’t be reflected, as we might do in the lower grade of consciousness that marks the subject and object. One’s being is contrasted with nothingness, as Sartre asserts. But we must be more than the “transient phenomena of will,” as then the contrast or ‘two-fold nature’ could not come to be. Yet still, Schopenhauer seems to describe the confrontation with Choronzon in the Abyss, as he first reflects on that which he calls the charming in art, that refers more to base sensuality, than the sublime. This charming quality of lesser artwork, he states is to be avoided, as it excites the Will in what we might infer a narcissistic manner.

    “There is also a negative species of the charming or exciting which is even more reprehensible than the positive form which has been discussed; this is the disgusting or the loathsome. It rouses the will of the beholder, just as what is properly speaking charming, and therefore disturbs pure aesthetic contemplation. But it is an active aversion and opposition which is excited by it; it arouses the will by presenting to it objects which it abhors. Therefore it has always been recognized by that it is altogether inadmissible in art, where even that is ugly, when it is not disgusting, is allowable in proper place, as we shall see later.”

    In this, we can see Choronzon coming at the being in such a way that distracts the individual back into himself through this aversion, and in a state of sublime torture, thus that it is said one then becomes confined to the ‘lonely towers of the Abyss.’ The Idea as the knowing of the individual no longer then holds as a ‘pure will-less knowing’ but fully contains the individual in servitude to his or her own self-destruction.

    In more Thelemic terms, Genius is ‘pure will, unassuaged of purpose, delivered from lust of result.’ The work of Genius holds the character of the Universe, and indeed, the Idea of humanity; showing the physiognomy of the soul, while perhaps, containing passing emotion and passion in beauty, and a beauty that leads to the sublime. The “artist is not conscious in the abstract of the intention and aim of his work; not a concept, but an Idea floats before his mind; therefore he can give no justification of what he does. He works, as people say, from pure feeling, and unconsciously, indeed instinctively.” As often we hear artists say, ‘I had to create this, or I would have exploded,’ in seeming concurrence with the Gospel of Thomas, when Jesus says, that which you have in you must be brought forth in order to save you…if you do not bring it forth, it will destroy you.’
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    Post by U Fri Jan 21, 2022 6:41 pm

    Hey man, I've been trying to ween off OMF recently but I've just checked in and I'd hate for you to throw me in with any creeps like Bill Brockbrader.

    Where is that coming from?

    You might think I'm trouble but at the very least you know what I stand for, where I draw the line and that I faced this den of vipers with my head held high and you should know better!

    Poor form my man, I expect better of you.

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri Jan 21, 2022 11:16 pm

    Gotcha Wink

    I was just jokin around, questionin everythin.

    Apologies if I hurt your feelers.

    You know I luv U

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    Post by U Fri Jan 21, 2022 11:24 pm

    It's okay breddah, I just figured you know my schtick by now.

    I've worried about the OMF crew before and some of their language but within myself I hope there's mostly good.

    But maybe a bit of confusion.

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