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Who's Disclosure is Disclosure?

Sun Apr 14, 2019 2:16 am by Cyrellys

The narrative war is in full swing. When there's a 100 different competing narratives, how is it possible to discern a disclosure?

Is it akin to which truth is Truth?




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    Post by Big Bunny Love Thu Oct 07, 2021 2:32 am

    First topic message reminder :

    “Nature's first green is gold,
    Her hardest hue to hold.
    Her early leaf's a flower;
    But only so an hour.
    Then leaf subsides to leaf.
    So Eden sank to grief,
    So dawn goes down to day.
    Nothing gold can stay.”

    —Robert Frost



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    Post by Big Bunny Love Thu Mar 07, 2024 4:46 am

    D.H. Lawrence wrote: The Ship of Death

    I

    Now it is autumn and the falling fruit
    and the long journey towards oblivion.

    The apples falling like great drops of dew
    to bruise themselves an exit from themselves.

    And it is time to go, to bid farewell
    to one’s own self, and find an exit
    from the fallen self.

    II

    Have you built your ship of death, O have you?
    O build your ship of death, for you will need it.

    The grim frost is at hand, when the apples will fall
    thick, almost thundrous, on the hardened earth.

    And death is on the air like a smell of ashes!
    Ah! can’t you smell it?

    And in the bruised body, the frightened soul
    finds itself shrinking, wincing from the cold
    that blows upon it through the orifices.

    III

    And can a man his own quietus make
    with a bare bodkin?

    With daggers, bodkins, bullets, man can make
    a bruise or break of exit for his life;
    but is that a quietus, O tell me, is it quietus?

    Surely not so! for how could murder, even self-murder
    ever a quietus make?

    IV

    O let us talk of quiet that we know,
    that we can know, the deep and lovely quiet
    of a strong heart at peace!

    How can we this, our own quietus, make?

    V

    Build then the ship of death, for you must take
    the longest journey, to oblivion.

    And die the death, the long and painful death
    that lies between the old self and the new.

    Already our bodies are fallen, bruised, badly bruised,
    already our souls are oozing through the exit
    of the cruel bruise.

    Already the dark and endless ocean of the end
    is washing in through the breaches of our wounds,
    already the flood is upon us.

    Oh build your ship of death, your little ark
    and furnish it with food, with little cakes, and wine
    for the dark flight down oblivion.

    VI

    Piecemeal the body dies, and the timid soul
    has her footing washed away, as the dark flood rises.

    We are dying, we are dying, we are all of us dying
    and nothing will stay the death-flood rising within us
    and soon it will rise on the world, on the outside world.

    We are dying, we are dying, piecemeal our bodies are dying
    and our strength leaves us,
    and our soul cowers naked in the dark rain over the flood,
    cowering in the last branches of the tree of our life.

    VII

    We are dying, we are dying, so all we can do
    is now to be willing to die, and to build the ship
    of death to carry the soul on the longest journey.

    A little ship, with oars and food
    and little dishes, and all accoutrements
    fitting and ready for the departing soul.

    Now launch the small ship, now as the body dies
    and life departs, launch out, the fragile soul
    in the fragile ship of courage, the ark of faith
    with its store of food and little cooking pans
    and change of clothes,
    upon the flood’s black waste
    upon the waters of the end
    upon the sea of death, where still we sail
    darkly, for we cannot steer, and have no port.

    There is no port, there is nowhere to go
    only the deepening black darkening still
    blacker upon the soundless, ungurgling flood
    darkness at one with darkness, up and down
    and sideways utterly dark, so there is no direction any more
    and the little ship is there; yet she is gone.
    She is not seen, for there is nothing to see her by.
    She is gone! gone! and yet
    somewhere she is there.
    Nowhere!

    VIII

    And everything is gone, the body is gone
    completely under, gone, entirely gone.
    The upper darkness is heavy as the lower,
    between them the little ship
    is gone
    she is gone.

    It is the end, it is oblivion.

    IX

    And yet out of eternity a thread
    separates itself on the blackness,
    a horizontal thread
    that fumes a little with pallor upon the dark.

    Is it illusion? or does the pallor fume
    A little higher?
    Ah wait, wait, for there’s the dawn,
    the cruel dawn of coming back to life
    out of oblivion.

    Wait, wait, the little ship
    drifting, beneath the deathly ashy grey
    of a flood-dawn.

    Wait, wait! even so, a flush of yellow
    and strangely, O chilled wan soul, a flush of rose.

    A flush of rose, and the whole thing starts again.

    X

    The flood subsides, and the body, like a worn sea-shell
    emerges strange and lovely.
    And the little ship wings home, faltering and lapsing
    on the pink flood,
    and the frail soul steps out, into the house again
    filling the heart with peace.

    Swings the heart renewed with peace
    even of oblivion.

    Oh build your ship of death, oh build it!
    for you will need it.
    For the voyage of oblivion awaits you.

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    When you put the watch down and take the clock off the wall, you are closer to your self.

    When you are still, you are closer to your self.

    I just took a great walk around a lake.

    Beautiful blue sky, crystal clear water, cool breeze.

    Nothing on the calendar.

    No appointments.

    No meetings.

    Just breathing.

    Life can be that simple.

    No eschatons.

    Haha, so simple.

    The kingdom is here now.

    I realize I have just arrived back to where I always am.

    It’s fun to pretend to move away from ‘here’, but you never really do.
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    Post by Big Bunny Love Sat Mar 09, 2024 11:04 am

    William Blake wrote:He who binds to himself a joy
    Does the winged life destroy
    He who kisses the joy as it flies
    Lives in eternity's sunrise

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    Mel Brooks said as long as the earth is spinning, we are going to be dizzy and make mistakes, we are unrehearsed.

    😂

    Whether we like it or not, life will give us an education of the heart.

    Some are good students and others not so much.

    Nothing in life is worth a damn without love I love you

    It doesn’t matter what you believe, like, at all.

    It matters what you do locally, to those who need and love you and to the stranger too.

    Actions have consequences.

    How much love is in your life?

    It’s all that matters to you.

    And by you I mean me.

    There is no happy ending here, but there is a whole lotta love I love you

    “If you're quiet, you're not living. You've got to be noisy and colorful and lively.

    ..

    Look, I don't want to wax philosophic, but I will say that if you're alive you've got to flap your arms and legs, you've got to jump around a lot, for life is the very opposite of death.



    Relax, none of us are getting out of here alive.”

    —Mel Brooks

    I am not religious, but I feel as the Sufis do, it is with the eye 👁️ of the heart ♥ one perceives reality and is perceived.

    I’m not quite sure what sees us, but I feel seen.

    It’s up to us to make the best of this life.
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    Post by Big Bunny Love Sun Mar 10, 2024 1:41 pm

    Interpretation gets in the way of this organism’s functioning.

    There is no such thing as consciousness.

    Consciousness is a misunderstanding, an invading agent.

    My individual consciousness is an illusion.

    We are a bundle of perceptions.

    There is nothing else underneath.

    The incessant interpretation has stopped and what is left is all there was.

    The unreal roles of society have collapsed in me.

    Original nature is the only nature.

    My self awareness sought things beyond this organism, this happening.

    This has stopped.

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    I feel what I built coming apart.

    This is what the green man is, what I am.

    Just a collection of leaves/atoms brought together by forces far beyond my understanding.
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    Post by Big Bunny Love Mon Mar 11, 2024 4:04 pm

    Thinking has its place.

    Thinking leads to thinking not thinking.







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    Post by Big Bunny Love Wed Mar 13, 2024 1:36 am

    We are all pretenders and impostors.
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    Post by Big Bunny Love Sat Mar 16, 2024 2:45 pm

    “memory”

    a little bluebird
    came to me
    and whispered everything
    in my ear
    but I have forgotten
    every whistle and chirp

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    Post by Big Bunny Love Sat Mar 16, 2024 6:41 pm

    Hail Wanderers!

    https://thetrippingfool.com/2024/03/16/wandering/

    D.H. Lawrence described the nature of hell asserting that hell is not a place, but a state of mind, in which the ego continually loops back to itself and never reaches out to touch Reality.  

    He sees it as a wheel ever turning monotonously: “fixed upon the hub of the ego / going, yet never wandering, fixed, yet in motion, / the kind of hell that is real, grey and awful / sinless and stainless going round and round…”  

    By contrast, Lawrence provides the image of the free or saved self as “a thing of kisses and strife / a lit-up shaft of rain / a calling column of blood…”  Wrestling with his own death, Lawrence is attempting to commune with something beyond himself – trying to attain, like the characters in his novels, “a connection with the Infinite” – and, consequently, he recoils in disgust from what he sees as the opposite: the tiny, finite self content to continually retract the entire universe into itself, to see only its own reflection everywhere.

    Note: If the spirit moves me, post about Spinoza in Dan’s thread and his stoic view of life of how to live the best life.
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    Post by Big Bunny Love Sun Mar 17, 2024 1:41 pm

    So let’s consider Owen Barfield’s original and final participation again, that puts a big rainbow 🌈 on reality.

    As Owen tells it, the Garden of Eden is a great story to help understand our evolution. That story must have been told back before the last ice age. I would love to be a future scientist exploring genesis stories through time travel if I could. Maybe I am doing just that right now.

    Owen feels we at one time truly lived as unconscious parts of nature, tightly interwoven with it. This is original participation. We did not have self awareness as we do today. We then shifted to becoming observers. We earned a kind of freedom.

    Final participation is an invitation to collaborate and co-create. But imagine us from an outside perspective. We are so young and naive and prone to violence. How could you let us out of our sandbox now? We seem so half formed. I feel this because of my personal journey to master my passions. That’s the only way to participate. Otherwise we act as automatons.

    There are degrees of freedom and participation. One must earn their way up the ladder in a way because it takes more and more self awareness to strengthen your point of focus, which requires knowledge. That’s what I think each of us is, a point of focus. I feel some of us today still live in original participation. We gained the pearl of great price, self-awareness, which was really a Janus curse covered with jewels.

    So pretty.

    So tempting.

    So scrumptious.

    Yes, yes, may I have some more.

    We left the Garden of Eden or we were violently separated from it.

    And now, we are trying to get back to the garden.

    So as Owen tells it, we are idolaters, worshippers of matter. Final participation is not inevitable. You must make choices to realize it. He warned us against using final participation as an apocalyptic goal. It is up to us to freely choose to participate. People are also free to live as slaves.

    Poetry rescued Owen from a suicidal depression. One must consider that Owen’s words were like a healing medicine for him. He fell in love and love healed him in a way. One must consider the context of an author’s words. Inside he felt a burning sun he said.

    Owen says there is only one destination. There can be horrible steps along the way. Christ to him was not just an isolated human who got it right, but is the logos manifesting itself. We are created to be uncreated.

    We did not so much fall, as descend.

    Those are nice stories and hypotheses.

    One wants to believe Owen.

    You don’t have to believe, just participate and figure it out as you go.

    Our life is a manifestation of what we feel as good.

    I perceive this is the best thing I could be doing at this moment.

    Freedom means we have the ability to choose or not choose the good.

    This is the crux of self awareness for Owen.

    Nature compels action, but Christ invites.

    Mechanical causality doesn’t have any freedom, it’s determined. You are made to act in a certain way.

    Emotional causality is manufactured and a kind of compulsion.

    Imagine a third kind of causality, which comes from clarity of perception. We choose the good or not. My father just died and he did not choose the good I feel. He never mastered his passions and they killed him early. And that is a tragedy given all his once great potential. He is a cosmic fart 💨 now that can be just remixed later. Just carbon on the wind. Better luck next time.

    I don’t think Christ calls us to follow, he calls us to emulate and participate, to follow the dance steps.

    The forces trying to compel behavior are evil in essence, or daemonic.

    That’s a powerful metaphorical way to see life.

    I can’t really embrace it.

    I will not be compelled by Owen’s words, but have deeply considered them.

    They aren’t really in conflict with this living organism’s functioning.

    You can’t be told, you can only be shown.

    Explanations are not required, nor compliance, just follow your bliss, come into eudaemonia, the “good spirit.” But some choose the negative path. Both lead in the same direction. It must be a mixture or balancing of polarities that enables us to find a point or no point of focus.

    Effort leads to not effort. Thinking leads to not thinking.

    Imagination is used to build subjective images. These have to be let go according to Owen and then one can pick up objective knowledge.

    As William Blake said, you can see with or through the eye. This is what Blake meant but kissing joy as it flies in his poem “Eternity.”

    The Truth is simple and beyond statement, so why is there endless discussion?

    We just like to hear ourselves talk.

    It is a really cool trick.
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    Post by Big Bunny Love Mon Mar 18, 2024 12:17 pm

    ARCHIBALD MACLEISH wrote:“Ars Poetica”

    A poem should be palpable and mute  
    As a globed fruit,

    Dumb
    As old medallions to the thumb,

    Silent as the sleeve-worn stone
    Of casement ledges where the moss has grown—

    A poem should be wordless  
    As the flight of birds.

                            *              

    A poem should be motionless in time  
    As the moon climbs,

    Leaving, as the moon releases
    Twig by twig the night-entangled trees,

    Leaving, as the moon behind the winter leaves,  
    Memory by memory the mind—

    A poem should be motionless in time  
    As the moon climbs.

                            *              

    A poem should be equal to:
    Not true.

    For all the history of grief
    An empty doorway and a maple leaf.

    For love
    The leaning grasses and two lights above the sea—

    A poem should not mean  
    But be.

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    Post by Big Bunny Love Wed Mar 20, 2024 11:03 pm

    Questions spring from things you have learned.

    There are no questions really accept how will I cloth, shelter and feed myself and mine.

    The hunger and seeking has to burn itself out.

    What comes to one may skip over another.

    There is no real way knowing why one ceases their questions.

    There is no preparation to have the illusion of the world shattered.

    It is one helluva bumpy ride.

    One must give up the search totally and completely.

    When you sit down under that tree and let the past go like paper ships into the river, you see you have attained nothing.

    Your mind and thought leave you when the body has to avoid death or get things done.

    I am not those thoughts, there is no mind.

    I am this body which does mostly what it needs to do if I let it be.

    It wants to be healthy and strong naturally.

    The doing of seeking has to come to an end to fully be yourself.

    I thought there was a great secret.

    But it turns out there are no secrets.

    Not a one.

    It’s all out in the open.

    You see much clearer after the ceasing of seeking.

    One cannot free themselves by any effort, only by no effort.

    There is nothing to give or get.

    That’s the situation.

    Seek the truth with all your heart I love you knock yourself out.

    But you will realize your thoughts are wrong and will be forever incomplete.

    Your thought driven by desire will achieve nothing.

    What you do matters to those you’re connected to.

    Wanting and thinking go hand in hand.

    What is it that wants?

    A virus 🦠 a consuming force?

    Seeking to replicate in every body it can.

    What is the cure or vaccine?

    Stop the seeking and you will remove its power over you, instantly.

    The ceasing of effort just happens.

    You can’t fake it.

    You really have to go all the way to the end first.

    It seemed impossible before to ever stop looking.

    The ceasing is the sign of a profound peace dawning.

    All those claiming this and that, all of them, to the last, liars and fools. Perhaps well meaning fools, but fools none the less.

    The ceasing brought such a relief, a lightness of being, a joy, a feeling of total freedom.

    I can’t say why or how.

    Its arrival was so welcome and unexpected.

    I just could not have understood before.

    I was totally caught up in the search.

    This body continues to function.

    But I have no more thoughts about it beyond material concerns.

    I can only say, enjoy your folly.

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    Post by dan Fri Mar 22, 2024 10:01 am

    BBL,

    Tell us that you’re not a pagan………

    Nature is sacred, and we are interlopers.

    I'm given to understand that ___ is of the pagan persuasion....... Nature is sacred, and we are interlopers.

    ..... suspecting that we may harbor different intentions around the Eschaton....... imminent as it may be.

    I would save animals over humans, if that makes me Pagan.. 🥳🎉🎊

    I think you got that right, ___

    Is there anything wrong with being pagan.

    It is better than being a Modernist……. I would say.

    I might elaborate on that, back on the other thread 🧵…..



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    Post by Big Bunny Love Mon Mar 25, 2024 11:04 pm

    I’m not a pagan.

    Imma butterfly 🦋

    I don’t know where I begin or end.

    I’m not a Modernist or any kind of ist.

    There are no Eschatons here or Apocalypses, only my own endless ignorance.

    I know nothing beyond nature and this meat sac.

    I don’t listen to my thoughts unless I have to get something done.

    They eventually quiet down and go away.

    It’s kind of a revelation to get to the other side of thinking.

    But people just seem to hate you if you say there is nothing really to this.

    That’s what crazy locust eaters say.

    I would rather live as an animal who was not aware.

    I am a pack lover myself.

    I have lived with dogs all my adult life.

    I function best in a small pack.

    I need the pack.

    I am no loner.

    I am becoming more wild/natural day by day.

    I live by the seasons and I cultivate my garden above all else.

    I keep a wild garden.

    Or did the plants cultivate me?

    Plants saved my life.

    I owe everything to nature, and especially, my pack and plants.

    Plants healed my body.

    I am a Green man if anything.

    The plants opened and connected my heart and mind.

    I cannot fit very well into culture anymore.

    I am a very odd 🐐rabbit thingee.

    I played their game and sang their songs.

    Now I sing the song of myself.

    ChatGPT 4 wrote:”The Green Man”

    In the forest’s deep, where shadows lie,
    Beneath the ancient, whispering sky,
    There roams a spirit, old and wise,
    With leafy beard and mossy eyes.

    He walks where human feet may tread,
    In places wild and overgrown,
    A crown of ivy on his head,
    And skin of bark as tough as stone.

    He speaks the language of the trees,
    Of rustling leaves and humming bees.
    His touch revives the wilting flower,
    With every step, life springs to power.

    They call him Green Man, spirit fair,
    Guardian of earth, water, air.
    A reminder of what life can be,
    When we live as one with tree and sea.

    So should you wander, lost, alone,
    In nature’s depth, his sacred home,
    Fear not the hand that guides thee forth,
    The Green Man of the ancient North.

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    Post by Big Bunny Love Tue Mar 26, 2024 11:01 am

    “The Garden of the Prophet” by Kahlil Gibran

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    Post by Big Bunny Love Wed Mar 27, 2024 10:56 am

    Tennessee Williams wrote: “Keep awake, alive, new. Perform the paradox of being hard and yet soft. Survive without calcification of the tender membranes. Be a poet. Be alive.”

    But all around me everyone is falling asleep.

    Lies rule the land.

    People cling to illusions now more than ever.

    But getting lost is a great thing.

    Yes, be alive, born to be.

    Those announcing the end of time are idiots and morons, narcissistic monsters.

    Let them be the first to lay down their lives as they desire all else to perish.

    That’s not how to get back to the Garden.

    Not even close.
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    Post by Big Bunny Love Wed Mar 27, 2024 1:34 pm

    Huang Po’s use of the term ‘One Mind’

    From Translator’s Introduction on Huang Po’s Use of term ‘One Mind’

    The text indicates that Huang Po was not entirely satisfied with his choice of the word ‘Mind' to symbolize the inexpressible Reality beyond the reach of conceptual thought, for he more than once explains that the One Mind is not really MIND at all. But he had to use some term or other, and ‘Mind' had often been used by his predecessors. As Mind conveys intangibility, it no doubt seemed to him a good choice, especially as the use of this term helps to make it clear that the part of a man usually regarded as an individual entity inhabiting his body is, in fact, not his property at all, but common to him and to everybody and everything else. (It must be remembered that, in Chinese, ‘hsin' means not only ‘mind', but ‘heart' and, in some senses at least, ‘spirit' or ‘soul'—in short, the so-called REAL man, the inhabitant of the body-house.) If we prefer to substitute the word ‘Absolute', which Huang Po occasionally uses himself, we must take care not to read into the text any preconceived notions as to the nature of the Absolute. And, of course, ‘the One Mind' is no less misleading, unless we abandon all preconceived ideas, as Huang Po intended.

    P’EI HSIU'S PREFACE



    Holding in esteem only the intuitive method of the Highest Vehicle, which cannot be communicated in words, he taught nothing but the doctrine of the One Mind; holding that there is nothing else to teach, in that both mind and substance are void and that the chain of causation is motionless. Mind is like the sun journeying through the sky and emitting glorious light uncontaminated by the finest particle of dust. To those who have realized the nature of Reality, there is nothing old or new, and conceptions of shallowness and depth are meaningless. Those who speak of it do not attempt to explain it, establish no sects and open no doors or windows. That which is before you is it. Begin to reason about it and you will at once fall into error. Only when you have understood this will you perceive your oneness with the original Buddha-nature. Therefore his words were simple, his reasoning direct, his way of life exalted and his habits unlike the habits of other men.

    —From The Zen Teaching of Huang Po
    On the Transmission of Mind Translated by John Blofeld

    Another good commentary on this topic - https://terebess.hu/zen/mesterek/Welter-Albert-Huang-Pos-Notion-of-Mind.pdf
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    Post by dan Wed Mar 27, 2024 3:18 pm

    Amen, Brother……..
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    Post by Big Bunny Love Fri Apr 05, 2024 4:54 pm

    This is something.

    In a world of know nothings, a light.

    I’ve been writing myself on such topics.

    The timing is no accident.



    Authenticity is a valuable thing to those who live by trust.

    It’s everything.

    Trust is more valuable than gold.

    There is usually failure involved and an acceptance of one’s inability to control a damn thing but themselves.

    This leads one toward authentic living.

    To see what clowns we all are.

    The wisest have the best senses of humor, which is based on laughing at oneself, for a very long time.

    Why so serious?
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    Post by Big Bunny Love Sun Apr 07, 2024 12:04 pm

    Cross posted from Dan’s thread. He’s deleting things again. You can’t control or stop the flow of a river.



    RealPan wrote:The first person she contacted was the Chicken, because she considered the witness (discloser) to be the most important participant in her journey. As was the case with Judas, you sometimes see your role as more of a disrupter than a discloser.  The reunion must go forward as did the last supper. You may advise. You may guide. You must disclose. In the end Judas contributed to a reunion. You will do as well. Hopefully you will do it with the loyalty as did the others at the table.

    No one is more or less important than anyone else.

    You are the only actor in your life.

    There is nothing honest or more authentic to the smelly than to disclose that we are ignorant animals.

    Trust and authenticity are more valuable than gold.

    I can’t respect anyone who does not acknowledge their own ignorance.

    Smells like self delusion to me.

    Why we are here is not the question, the only question is, what do you want?

    How can you get what you want?

    That’s what drives us.

    You won’t have a moments peace chasing it.

    My advice to any Princess or royalty, there is no such thing really, is to throw the crown back.

    Don’t pick sides.

    Write poetry, grow a garden.

    Walk away from missions and live the best life you can.

    Only move I’d say that shows any bit of wisdom.
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    Post by Big Bunny Love Tue Apr 09, 2024 2:11 pm

    Thoreau from Walden wrote:“I have great faith in a seed. Convince me that you have a seed there, and I am prepared to expect wonders.”

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    Goethe wrote:The desire for knowledge is first stimulated in us when remarkable phenomena attract our attention. In order that this attention be continued it is necessary that we should feel some interest in exercising it, and thus by degrees we become better acquainted with the object of our curiosity.

    An interesting thing about color, it only appears at the border of where light meets darkness.
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    Post by Big Bunny Love Wed Apr 10, 2024 10:20 am

    Green Revolution!

    Funny, I have been meditating on seeds and found this today.

    There is purpose in the way energy moves around us and in us.

    Do we cultivate plants or do they cultivate us?

    A big part of making peace with yourself is making peace with the plants.

    They give us the very air we breathe.

    They are emotional and intelligent as well.

    Light storage vessels.

    The closer you are to plants, I feel the closer you are to the essence of being.

    They give me my nutrition, they help me explore myself and the cosmos, they give me the air I breathe, they teach us the meaning of life.

    The closer to plants we are, the better life is.

    We live on a planet of plants, they are truly the king of the jungle.

    Eden is woven into our deepest myths, the story of our genesis in a garden.

    Our oldest written story, Gilgamesh, focuses on a plant that grants immortality.

    It’s a deeply meaningful symbol.

    Green is divine.

    You wanna get closer to god, don’t pick up a gun, pick up a hoe and get to it.

    Interview wrote:EMANUELE COCCIA on plants
    interview by OLIVIER ZAHM

    from: purple MAGAZINE
    — Purple 25YRS Anniv. issue #28 F/W 2017

    OLIVIER ZAHM — In your book La Vie des Plantes: Une Metaphysique du Mélange (The Life of Plants: A Metaphysics of Mixture), you begin with the observation that plants have been neglected in the history of ideas. How did you come to that realization?

    EMANUELE COCCIA — When I was young, I was sent to a high school for agriculture. For years, I had to study botany, chemistry, and plant life in general. Since my philosophical interests were well established by then, I had already realized that our knowledge of plants was at a much lower level than our knowledge of animals. The problem with botany is that it’s essentially based on concepts drawn from animal life. Its methodology is built entirely on the animal – life point of view.

    OLIVIER ZAHM — What you’re saying, then, is that biology is zoocentric.

    EMANUELE COCCIA — Yes. And our neglect and ignorance of plants are far deeper on the philosophical side. Ever since Darwin, even while acknowledging that man is an animal, a biological species, we’ve continued to divide knowledge into the humanities and the natural sciences, when in fact that division makes no sense. At the very least, we should consider the humanities to be part of biology and zoology, and the natural sciences to be spiritual sciences, because man is an animal.

    OLIVIER ZAHM — And somewhere in that division between the humanities and the natural sciences, plants have been forgotten.

    EMANUELE COCCIA — There are psychological reasons as well. It’s probably easier to identify with an animal than with a plant. Ecological debates start with the assumption that we absolutely must save the animals because we’re doing them violence, but we give little thought, or much less thought, to what happens in the vegetal world.

    OLIVIER ZAHM — You analyze every aspect of plants — leaves, roots, flowers — and you extrapolate the notion that plants serve to link together all other forms of life; they’re the link between animals, men, the earth, the sky.

    EMANUELE COCCIA — Yes. Plants embody life’s continuity, not its separation into distinct realms. First of all, plants produce continuity insofar as they’re the agents that produce the physical atmosphere — oxygen — within which all higher animal life is possible. In fact, they’re the necessary condition for that existence. It’s plants that have rendered animal life possible and have transformed the planet into a planet full of life and forms and living matter.

    OLIVIER ZAHM — Thanks to photosynthesis, they transform solar energy into oxygen.

    EMANUELE COCCIA — Exactly. The interesting thing is, the transformation of the atmosphere into an oxygenated atmosphere was a byproduct of plant metabolism. In fact, the primary function of photosynthesis is not the production of oxygen but the storage of solar energy in mass. The byproduct of that process is the production of oxygen.

    OLIVIER ZAHM — And that stored energy is also what delivers energy to an animal that eats plants.

    EMANUELE COCCIA — Yes. In addition to producing oxygen, plants produce life in a second way. They’re the sole living beings that can exploit the primary source of energy available on earth, which is sunshine. Without the mediation of plants, animals would never have attained their numbers or their
    level of complexity because plants are what transform all that energy reaching the earth and allow for its storage as living matter, as biomass. No other form of life is capable of instantly transforming solar energy into mass.

    OLIVIER ZAHM — You go so far as to say that, in this relation between plants and other living beings, plants are the principle of a universal psyche, of the universal sharing of life.

    EMANUELE COCCIA — Yes. It’s a very old idea. For a very long time — up until the 19th century, when we forgot about it — there was a whole tradition, beginning with the Stoics and exploding in the Renaissance, according to which the paradigm for the essence of reason was the plant, and specifically the seed.

    OLIVIER ZAHM — The essence of reason is the seed?

    EMANUELE COCCIA — The idea is that reason is not the awareness of something but the capacity to transform, or fashion, the world. The example par excellence of a rational event is when an artisan takes a piece of matter and makes something of it, gives it a form or a function. That is rationality par excellence. If we adopt this perfectly reasonable point of view, then the seed is a force able to draw forth incredible forms from matter. But at that point, reason is no longer just a human or animal faculty; it’s a cosmic force.

    OLIVIER ZAHM — Hence the idea of a universal psyche?

    EMANUELE COCCIA — Absolutely. A force that permeates the universe and to which we owe the continual and perpetual youth of forms.

    OLIVIER ZAHM — And when exactly did we forget this vision of reason?

    EMANUELE COCCIA — It happened in the modern age, when we sought to reduce reason to a purely human force. As a result, we reduced rationality or mind to something spiritual or psychological, and thus belonging strictly to man. Even today’s genetics is a way to conceive of rationality on the material level, because a gene is nothing but a code, and thus an extremely rational structure, which allows for the production, from matter, of incredibly complex forms of life. In a way, genetics is nothing but the latest version of a pre-modern tradition that had tried to align reason and matter, mind and matter, reason and the seed.

    OLIVIER ZAHM — So your examination of the life of plants is also a rereading of science.

    EMANUELE COCCIA — And an attempt to bring together once more the history of science, philosophy, and art, which we study differently today but which in the past was never split up. We should re-educate our view of the past and of the present, and realize that science and art are not so very contrary.

    OLIVIER ZAHM — When you deal with art, in fact, you use plants as a starting point for your thinking on forms. You say that “plants have no hands with which to manipulate the world, and yet it would be difficult to find defter agents for the construction of forms.” Do you see plants as faceless, handless artistic agents?

    EMANUELE COCCIA — Yes, absolutely. The old idea I was just talking about, where the seed is a form of rationality, was also the idea of the universal artist or the cosmic artist. This rational force corresponds to the force of matter itself and does not pass through thought or mediation. Matter itself seeks, invents, produces its forms of life and rationality simultaneously. And the force that allows this was often called artistic force. In Greek, there is only one word for art, technique, and reason.

    OLIVIER ZAHM — We can look at that from any angle. And hence, perhaps, the power of plants as decorative forces in the Middle Ages or in Islamic art and all the way up to Art Deco.

    EMANUELE COCCIA — Actually, plants embody the aesthetic idea of a vitality of form. Life’s ability to produce its own forms. Inversely, this illustrates that forms are nothing but living beings and that art is nothing but the sphere in which forms come to life.

    OLIVIER ZAHM — Art is not a mere symbolic derivative of human activity?

    EMANUELE COCCIA — Exactly. It’s a force for changing the world. Every major work of art is an object that suddenly, magically manages to change the forms around it. Indeed, we could adopt this perspective to take a fresh look at the history of art, at art’s forms, which are so powerful that they have brought other forms to life. Fashion is exactly that. Painting and sculpture are exactly that. A form that will no longer be contained by the simple object in which it has been captured and that suddenly explodes and spreads all over the place. In Antiquity and the Middle Ages, they used a vegetal metaphor to designate this force — the force peculiar to plants, which seems totally anonymous and bound to no specific individual.

    OLIVIER ZAHM — Yes, because plants contradict the idea of individualism.

    EMANUELE COCCIA — From the genetic perspective, big trees, for instance, are often beings with genetically distinct parts: the old parts and the recent parts. It’s an interesting paradox. These trees are beings in which different genetic identities can coexist.

    OLIVIER ZAHM — They’re schizophrenic.

    EMANUELE COCCIA — Yes, right — genetically schizophrenic. But, even from a purely formal perspective, you can cut certain plants into little pieces and replant the pieces, and they’ll reproduce. Are these really individuals?

    OLIVIER ZAHM — And the sexuality of plants isn’t individuated, either.

    EMANUELE COCCIA — Unlike any given animal, plants never really stop growing. At some point, animals will stop, and it’s at that time that they become capable of reproduction. Whereas with plants, there is no opposition between reproduction and growth. As a result, plants must produce their own sex organs every season for reproduction. The flower is a sex organ and totally ephemeral. Plants construct their sex organs, then let them fall off. A simple tree, for instance, will construct thousands of sex organs in a season. It has sex with all those organs, but afterward lets them fall off. A plant is an organic being that is always cobbling together its own body to do what it wants to do. It has to produce a sex organ, new leaves, and so forth.

    OLIVIER ZAHM — When you say a flower is a sex organ — pollen also needs to be disseminated to other flowers. So plants need wind, too, as well as other animals.

    EMANUELE COCCIA — Yes. With animals, sex normally takes place between two individuals of the same species. Whereas with plants, sex is a cosmic event. It makes use of other animals, bees, or, as you were saying, meteorological agents, like rain and wind. It’s a beautiful thing that to have sex, plants need more than two individuals. They need a whole world.

    OLIVIER ZAHM — In a sense, it’s true of human beings as well: they need a bed, emotions, and so on.

    EMANUELE COCCIA — Yes. Human beings need an atmosphere, music, and maybe alcohol. It’s true. We forget that sex isn’t just penetration but an arrangement of factors as well.

    OLIVIER ZAHM — You’ve written a lovely passage on the theme of breath. What is the link between plants and breath?

    EMANUELE COCCIA — Our link with plants goes beyond agriculture or gardening or long walks in the countryside.Every time we breathe, in fact, we come into close or distant contact with plants. We feed on their detritus, on what they expel — on their shit, so to speak, which is oxygen. This banal
    event is the basis of all existence. Respiration is an act through which we immerse ourselves in the world and allow the world to immerse itself in us — the world of plants. It’s an astonishing dynamic in which the container becomes the content and vice versa.

    OLIVIER ZAHM — So oxygen isn’t just a vital need, but also our link with plants, as if we breathed plants.

    EMANUELE COCCIA — Yes. Before we ever start eating, moving, or speaking, we live off their life. Indeed, animal life is always thelife of other living beings. Whereas plants are the sole autotrophs: they don’t need other living beings to survive and find nourishment. They live off sunshine, carbon
    dioxide, and water. Animals, on the other hand, live by absorbing the life of others, by feeding off it.

    OLIVIER ZAHM — Plants don’t feed on other plants. Aside from carnivorous plants, which constitute an exception. They’re like the black sheep of the plant world.

    EMANUELE COCCIA — Yes, but that exception goes to show that life is a process of reciprocal cannibalism. Life is always feeding off itself, and no living being can survive without feeding on, consuming, and cannibalizing other living beings.

    OLIVIER ZAHM — Except for plants.

    EMANUELE COCCIA — Yes. But, although they eat no other living beings, plants are nonetheless themselves eaten by other living beings. They don’t escape the cannibalistic system, whose law of life is that life feeds on itself.

    OLIVIER ZAHM — You speak next of leaves and roots. You analyze the life of plants in two respects: underground and in the sky. You make us aware that plants maintain the link between earth and sky, from root to leaf.

    EMANUELE COCCIA — Well, plants are the only living beings to live simultaneously in two contrary environments: underground and in the air. In the case of amphibious animals, we speak of living beings that can pass from one milieu to the other, in succession. Whereas any plant lives simultaneously in two different milieus, which are structured around completely different forces. The aerial part, for example, has an anti-gravitational tropism, whereas the underground part reinforces gravity because it goes downward, toward the center of the earth, to seek out water and minerals.

    OLIVIER ZAHM — Do plants establish a cosmic link between earth and sky?

    EMANUELE COCCIA — Plants are double. They’re aerial and subterranean. They’re amphibious. They’re the mediating agent between earth and sky. And the link in question is, of course, photosynthesis: plants’ ability to transform solar energy into biomass, into living matter. Life on earth is possible thanks exclusively to that energy source on earth, which is also the chief energy source on earth. We always forget that the foundation of our existence is extraterrestrial: it comes from the sun! The foundation of all life on earth is that extraterrestrial star. Plants are the beings that terrestrialize the sun. They convey sunshine on earth. They render that extraterrestrial force terrestrial, and thus establish a link between extraterrestrial space and the earth. This is something that we manage to do with solar panels, but plants do it with their own bodies, and their own
    aesthetics, their own forms.

    OLIVIER ZAHM — And then there’s oil, which is also decomposed plants — and is yet another kind of energy.

    EMANUELE COCCIA — If you give it some thought, all kinds of things come from plants. What you drink, your coffee or tea, is a vegetal psychotropic. We unwittingly have all kinds of more or less esoteric knowledge about the vegetal soul.

    OLIVIER ZAHM — To wrap things up, could you say a word about your theory of flowers, which is the loveliest part of your book? Flowers, you say, are the sexuality of plants.

    EMANUELE COCCIA — Yes. The funny thing is, we use flowers as gifts. It’s as if we were giving people sex organs. There’s a whole philosophical tradition, now forgotten, that recognizes flowers as the rationality of plants or the paradigm par excellence of reason. It’s a very interesting theory because the flower is what produces the seed, and the flower is therefore even more fundamental than the seed to the idea of reason. If we agree to consider the flower as reason’s form of existence par excellence, we realize that reason is a force that can actually modify forms. Reason, then, is not reproduction of the same but the force that allows for the infinite variation of forms.

    OLIVIER ZAHM — It is also extreme seduction.

    EMANUELE COCCIA — Yes. It’s a force of seduction and variation. The flower is the force that allows for the attraction of things or provides for their encounter. Because the flower is the attractor. It’s a magnetic force — and not only with respect to other individuals of the same species. It’s a universally magnetic force. So that is what reason is. It’s the force behind the variation of forms and the force that attracts beings, that attracts different forms, to the same place. It’s the force that constitutes a world out of these different individuals, different forms, and so on. Camille Henrot did an exhibition of bouquets in the Japanese tradition — ikebana — titled “Is It Possible to be a Revolutionary and Like Flowers?”

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    Dinosaurs went green. They are gone
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    Post by Big Bunny Love Wed Apr 10, 2024 11:30 pm

    Ummm, can’t argue with a big rock from space!

    You don’t exist without green and fungi.

    Fungi 4VR!

    Humans are more related to mushrooms than plants interestingly.

    Death to all capitalist pigs!

    I like the new green Marxism, I think this guy below has his fingers on the #1 issue on planet earth.

    Let’s stay focused on where we are and leave all the prophecy behind.

    I dream of ocean cities and asteroid gardens.

    Degrowth is inevitable.



    Some other interesting buzzing…

    Just blame those crazy Dada fanatics.







    Jim was onto something deep deep.



    Some book recommendations…

    Entangled Life: The Illustrated Edition: How Fungi Make Our Worlds https://a.co/d/9DMxK4r

    Gathering Moss: A Natural and Cultural History of Mosses https://a.co/d/8C2gbmK

    Braiding Sweetgrass: Indigenous Wisdom, Scientific Knowledge and the Teachings of Plants https://a.co/d/97w3xwC

    The Life of Plants: A Metaphysics of Mixture https://a.co/d/6tzzciV

    Metamorphoses https://a.co/d/606i7Tk

    Trees https://a.co/d/hO8RfPp

    This is an excellent book below! Do it!

    The Psilocybin Mushroom Bible: The Definitive Guide to Growing and Using Magic Mushrooms https://a.co/d/9eVXoLH

    There is so much yet to see and do.

    Fun times!

    Green 4 life!

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    Post by Mr. Janus Thu Apr 11, 2024 1:58 am

    painterdoug wrote:Dinosaurs went green. They are gone

    Are they?





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