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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    Post by LIBERTJAVA Sun Dec 26, 2021 7:41 am

    [quote="Foot Mann"]Not much Left here but the censors, bullies, morons, and loons. Merry Christmas to All and to All a Good Night.[/quote]

    Thats because the “bullies” have a stake, in the hollywood money market funds where they sell the children lies, for profit.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Dec 26, 2021 11:06 am

    All our dreaming together causes time and space, like duh.

    Even smelly 🐐 knows this.

    If you have not love, you have missed the beat.

    If you are always talking about the end of things, you might get lucky once.

    But no one will care.

    More and more I’m convinced my approach to the last half of my life is best.

    Don’t worry about what muppets do, this was the first lock to cut.

    Don’t worry about nature, that bitch can handle herself.

    Clean up after yourself.

    You flow with the moving air and water, don’t try to direct things, that was a revelation.

    Don’t worry about death, enjoy the life you have, you ain’t coming back this way again.

    Maximize the fun, minimize the anger.

    If you master your craft, you will do well, nothing substitutes hard work and focus.

    Don’t believe in fairytales, live your own.

    Be kind, rewind.

    Keep your hands to yourself.

    Cultivate your life, which takes good prep, planning, and execution.

    Watch for signs from nowhere.

    Don’t worry about lights in the sky, no disclosure needed if you have learned the above.

    Don’t work for the CIA.

    Don’t panic, stay calm.

    That about covers things.

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    Post by LIBERTJAVA Sun Dec 26, 2021 12:36 pm

    In the mind of god, is Oglethorpe, Ga.


    Source, Seminole

    Ga maps:::

    “They” prefer to torture and enslave their muppets so their reputations and castle walls are fair.

    I see James Webb got up, FINALLY.  Incidentally, When it arrived in South America for its MAIDEN voyage,  Lester Summers trucking pulled it to a safe location.

    Digital enslavement is their 2020 tools.
    And DS has still, after 10 years, never disclosed His lifetime of contact stories and any great detail, with OG.

    Such a waste.

    Hollywood makes billions selling their alien smut, lesser civilians are harassed by Jason and placed in Lifeless digital prisons of waking to less freedoms?

    Source: Taliaferro Oglethorpe
    Try to be more like Heart vs Madison, Daniel. Kiss an make up.
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    Post by dan Sun Dec 26, 2021 6:12 pm

    chick 🐣 was only mildly surprised when there was only a mild pushback from the Palace.

    However, the Princess is feeling a bit under the weather 🤧.  

    We might have to postpone the Eschaton for a week.  

    You’ll just have to be patient.

    And New Year’s Eve might be just a little too obvious.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Dec 26, 2021 8:23 pm

    LJ, most muppets love to be slaves.

    So what?

    They can’t enslave your mind.

    Princess holiday sniffles?

    It happens.

    I’d like to request a reprieve until smelly goat is done with his life.

    30-50 years?

    Then you guys can do whatever you like.

    Pretty please 🙏
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    Post by LIBERTJAVA Mon Dec 27, 2021 4:31 am

    They can hijack your mind, with Havanna Syn, but only DC Intel gets Comps.  

    Two decades preciously they called the GREATER community, loons, idiots, nutjobs, and my favorite, Conspiracy Theorists, as they harassed them

    And Dan doesnt want to talk about Asians Past end times?  

    There is always an end times somewhere,

    I prefer Rapture.  Look around, there are 7 billion people in the world.
    It seems to be a very popular aspect of gods rapture logica!

    Dan should watch the nexflix series, Hellbound. I think it is another South Korean biblical

    Themed series where Dan’s version is the “Best World Hypothesis” in force.   So far, with my French subtitles turned on, And it dubbed in English,  British intel should be able to keep up with the numerology.

    Gary will swoon!

    Unearthly beings deliver bloody condemnations, sending individuals to hell and giving rise to a religious group founded on the idea of divine justice.

    Starring:Yoo Ah-in, Kim Hyun-joo, Park Jeong-min
    Creators:Yeon Sang-ho, Choi Gyu-seok

    I suspect, it has made millions vs stealing it in a simulation with a closed looping ai targeting patriots.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon Dec 27, 2021 9:36 am

    LJ, the end times is Dan’s thing.

    I live here and now.

    There is no end for life.

    All the rest of what is talked about is mostly distraction from being here.

    Personally, I can’t stand end timers.

    They live in hell and they are welcome to it.

    Sure, beam things into someone’s brain you can cook them, but no one can really enslave your mind unless you let them.

    Yah, pick your poison, we don’t care much about Asian end times here on OMF.

    We aren’t Asian.

    To each his own.
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    Post by dan Mon Dec 27, 2021 10:07 am

    Speak for yourself, smelly.
    ……..


    LJ,

    Folks in Asia are more familiar with immaterialism than are folks in the West.  

    Plato was the original dualist…….. between Heaven and Earth.  

    Mystical monism is much more prevalent in Asia.

    The BPWH might be considered to be one form of mystical monism.  

    Where East and West often overlap is with Personalism.  

    Mysticism is automatically personal.  

    It goes without saying that all mystics are persons.

    In the West, however, persons have a very ambiguous status……. as caught between Heaven and Hell…… or as just sacks of chemicals.  

    Also, the Eastern doctrine of co-dependent arising, Pratītyasamutpāda, is very much in line with the BPWH notion of all persons be co-Creators.  

    So, why wouldn’t Asians automatically subscribe to the BPWH?  

    I’m not sure I’ve ever even tried to answer that question.  

    The dualism in the West originated with a Creator/Creature dualism…… this is another aspect of the Western ambiguity about persons.

    The Creator was a super person, untouchable by humanity.



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    Post by Foresaperire Mon Dec 27, 2021 11:09 am

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    Post by dan Mon Dec 27, 2021 11:39 am

    Thank you, Fore,

    Yes, this is what we’re talking about.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:10 pm

    I can only speak fo myself chicken.

    Muppets speaking about end times is ironic.

    They don’t get the joke is on them.

    Hanshan found nowhere on Cold Mountain inside.

    He never spoke about the end times.

    Those who walk in the deep river do not speak about the end times or nirvana or enlightenment or samadhi or awakening.  

    There is nothing to speak of.

    Zen masters also don’t speak about end times.

    They speak about the end of fear and doubt/ignorance and feeding the ghost.

    But first you have to isolate and face your doubt.

    Those who have let knowing go, babble poems and scribble on walls.

    Those Samadhi videos are silly.

    I enjoy the mystics myself who walk in the deep river.

    Can't say your taste has improved much For.

    Keep at it.



    Dan is not a mystic.

    The creator is very touchable and closer than your breath.

    Shows you what Dan doesn't know.

    Anyone can tune in if they can avoid their own narcissism.

    Few can because secretly they want to be God.

    Dan literally claims to be god, self confessed.

    He worked it out in his little chicken head he says.

    Bahahaha

    I love this muppet.

    Naaa, he is just a note in the song.

    A strange note to be sure.  

    God is the fire in us.

    And the song is all around us.

    Now tell me about the end times.

    I will just sing the song.

    Forgive them lord, they know not what they do.
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    Post by dan Mon Dec 27, 2021 2:26 pm

    Apparently, Chivo is in denial about history.  

    Many mystics are.   History seems so impersonal

    Perhaps those of us of the prophetic tradition invented God in order to personalize it.

    Why would the best possible world have a history?  

    Couldn’t it be like the Garden of Eden or Nirvana?  

    Well, our co-Created world can be seen as an appendage to Nirvana.  

    But does it serve a purpose……. with all of the suffering that seems attendant upon it?  

    The idea that time is cyclical, is another way to deny history.  

    Cyclical time, however, tends to deprive time of meaning.  

    I am also saying that time is an illusion…… it is a dream.  

    But history has meaning in the sense that it is our best possible illusion……. and that this illusion is a necessary part of our existence.  

    The best possible world is necessarily a personal world, which is necessarily a quantitatively finite word.  

    Yes, life is good, but there is such a thing as too much life.  

    If there were more life, there would have to be more worlds.  

    With that proviso, the notion of the best possible world loses all meaning……. or point.  Who would want to live in the second best world?  

    But, more to the point, is that……. an infinite qualitative cosmic intelligence can focus itself on every one of us, and on every moment of finite time.

    But how is this cosmic intelligence personal?  

    Well, by definition, all of us have an unobstructed access to this cosmic mind……. to the I Am, if you will…… yes, I Am, so we are.  

    In becoming one with the One, every one of us will experience that personal, qualitative Boundlessness.  

    Mystics may have this experience in the here and now……. but usually only spontaneously.  

    One has to pierce the veil of space and time.  

    History was all about preparing us for the finale.

    We will no longer be able to restrain ourselves any further.  

    Isn’t Chivo just the picture of restraint?  

    Why can’t we all be Chivos?  

    If only it were possible!  

    History is our launching pad.  

    The mystics are meant to provide us with an aperitif.  

    There is a logistics problem in getting all to Chivohood….. it’s called the Eschaton.  

    The Princess 👸 and chick 🐣 are negotiating around the best possible Eschaton.  

    And why can’t we just let it happen….. as surely it will?  

    Why can’t we all be like Chris Straub……. well, I guess you’ll just have to surprise us.  

    Well, if someone of us wakes up a little too early on Eschaton Sunday, we don’t want any of us to be too surprised 😮…….

    Won’t it be a complete anti-climax if we all just die in our sleep 😴?  

    How would that scenario be even slightly voluntary, as three seems to envision?  

    It will be no more or less voluntary than life, itself.  

    But it will be the best possible Gestalt switch.  

    And feel free to make your own suggestions.  

    And, yes, two will be busy for that next 24 hours, monitoring the digital traffic headed East, against the diminishing sunlight.  

    Enjoy the fireworks 🎆.  

    Well, ok, maybe using local time just gets too complicated.

    We could just have everyone freeze 🥶 in their tracks, at the appointed time.

    So, which would you prefer……. time stopping 🛑 suddenly or gradually?



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon Dec 27, 2021 4:02 pm

    “As long as you live, keep learning how to live.” —Lucius Seneca

    Not end or die, dying will come quite naturally to you, no practice required.

    I am well aware of and attentive to history and the world I have appeared in silly 🐔

    You simply have not heard the message clearly within yourself.

    Know some of us have and turned the key and we stand here awaiting your arrival.

    All are welcome.

    Until then, tener alegría.
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    Post by dan Mon Dec 27, 2021 4:14 pm

    Ok, Chivo,

    So you are expecting to meet Seneca in the air.  

    I’m sure that can be arranged.  

    But it will be up in the air……. not down here.  

    The Sun and Earth are very much entangled……. can’t have one without the other.  

    We won’t just freeze in our tracks…… there will be no more tracks….. the tracks will disappear, too, along with the rest of terra firma.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Mon Dec 27, 2021 4:20 pm

    “They lose the day in expectation of the night,
    and the night in fear of the dawn.” —LS
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    Post by dan Mon Dec 27, 2021 4:35 pm

    Yes, Chivo and Chris need to meet.  

    Chivo doesn’t like the plot spoiler, either.  

    I guess chick 🐣 should have issued a spoiler alert 🚨.
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    Post by dan Tue Dec 28, 2021 9:43 am

    I’ve sent a response to Bradyy who wishes to archive some of the posts…….. yes, please.
    ……..


    Instead of a Millennium of God’s Kingdom on Earth, we have been vouchsafed two millennia of one half of God’s Kingdom.  

    Is that fair?

    We are trying our best.  

    three suggested a five day Rapture.

    I tried to scale that back to 24 hours, but it was still too complicated.  

    We’re now down to a five minute Rapture that could come any day, and it is very likely to occur within the next 10 years…… and it’s more likely to be sooner than later.  

    Until that final minute, we remain open to suggestions.  

    Will planes be falling out of the sky?  

    There will be no sky left to fall out of, and no place left to fall to.  

    There will no longer be a contemporary Earth in linear time, but there will be many mansions in our Father’s house.  

    Time travel back into Earth history will continue unabated, as the Earth 🌎/BPGC (best possible grand central) remains an essential feature of the Akashic Record.  

    Will it be like the TV series, ‘Lost’?  

    I imagine it will be, for some of us.  

    There will be something for everyone.  

    Cosmic consciousness may expand and contract, but it never disappears.

    Everyone of us will always be a part of it.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Dec 28, 2021 10:37 am

    I was reading Seneca’s Letters from a Stoic essay on first causes this morning.

    Seneca wrote:The agent is God; the source, matter; the form, the shape and the arrangement of the visible world. The pattern is doubtless the model according to which God has made this great and most beautiful creation. The purpose is his object in so doing. Do you ask what God’s purpose is? It is goodness. Plato, at any rate, says: "What was God’s reason for creating the world? God is good, and no good person is grudging of anything that is good. Therefore, God made it the best world possible."

    As far as saving posts, irrelevant.

    Best to let all you have said turn to dust, as your body will.
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    Post by dan Tue Dec 28, 2021 11:07 am

    1800z………

    Chivo,

    foot accuses chick of stealing the BPWH from Leibniz, but, evidently, Leibniz stole it from your guy, Seneca.  

    The BPWH is older than Creation.  
    ………..

    Every hair on our head has already been counted.  

    Every second of time exists in Eternity.

    We are all time travelers 🧳.  

    And there is only one cosmic suitcase 🧳…….. only one Soul…… only one Logos Spermatikos.  
    ……..


    The only thing we’re missing now is Revelation…… the Apocalypse.  

    Are we being deprived of our drama 🎭 Queen?  

    There is no drama, if everyone just freezes 🥶  on the spot 🛑.  

    chick 🐣 is almost out of ideas 💡.  


    1950……..

    And who, besides chick 🐣, can complain about missing out on his fifteen minutes of fame?

    We don’t hear 👂 Chivo complaining, do we?  


    2300………

    We have explored a wide range of possibilities for the Eschaton.  

    Why not allow everyone to have their own?  

    Well, would could have most folks going through a portal of their choice, while a few of us revert to a primitive lifestyle, way off of any grid.  

    It might take a few days to choose one.  

    Of course, a lot of folks might refuse to go anywhere without a major inducement, like the Sun going out.  

    I think we would need particular portals that would cater to those choosing the back to Nature route.  

    But understand that all portals will ultimately lead us back to the Source.  

    During those days of uncertainty, there would have to be some form of Disclosure and coordination to avoid utter chaos.  

    That’s why it might be easier to let us sort ourselves out on the other side.  

    That’s what we seem to do in altered states, anyway.  

    Time would become very non-linear and personal.  

    But, yes, ultimately, all roads lead to Rome.  

    An important but unknown aspect of existence on the other side would be some process of mind melding, especially as our individual bodies become less essential to our existence.  

    There would be a recapitulation of aspects of our creation, prior to the emergence of our physicality…… of our individual metabolism.  



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Tue Dec 28, 2021 1:53 pm

    It is impossible to be out of ideas.

    Ideas don’t end.

    But it is possible not to be able to receive the ideas.

    Actually Seneca is quoting Plato about the BPW who said this in one of his plays I believe.

    I have come across the BPW in ancient Sufi and other esoteric sources.

    🦶 doesn’t know shiat.

    No one can prove it, but Plato and the Greeks had access to ancient teachings.

    Supposedly it was an oral teaching and Plato had a secret doctrine.

    It probably survives in some form in todays esoteric writings.

    Ideas don’t die.

    Seneca says they are the thoughts of god.

    Can’t say we have many if any original ones.

    Well, we do find better and faster ways of killing each other.

    We idolize ideas.

    The idols need to smashed.

    The ideas can’t die.

    I don’t seek fame myself, the muppets can play that game.

    Once the false edifice of our culture is exposed, all fame collapses.

    I’m telling you, apocalypse is personal.

    There must be some shared subconscious event.

    It happens in a flash.

    Nuclear ☢ perhaps 🤔

    Particles are here and not here, nothing is solid or really here.

    All is mind after all.
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    Does the chicken exist?



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    Post by Cheguevoblin Wed Dec 29, 2021 11:48 am

    All there is is the knowledge placed in you.

    Without that knowledge you cannot experience the existence of anything.
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    Post by dan Wed Dec 29, 2021 3:34 pm

    Originally, the best possible world was rather symmetric between the Alpha and the Omega.  

    History would have taken on a ‘U’ shape relative to time.  

    But now it has become leaning ‘V’….. \|……. as we move down into maximum materiality……. at the very end of history.  

    History would have maintained a continuity, throughout.  

    History now has a dramatic finale……. so dramatic that many of us will sleep right through it……. as the Sun goes out.  

    There will be no public Disclosure.  

    This is my latest guesstimate, anyway.  

    On the original scenario, reality would have gradually become more porous and entangled, especially as the population began to decline.  

    Now the initial entanglement is electronic.  

    The internet is liable to play some explicit role, just in the last few days or hours.  

    And it seems very likely that the internet is having a great eschatological influence…… implicitly.  

    It does seem that all traditions have a dramatic finale.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Dec 29, 2021 5:57 pm

    “Still the breath Divine does move,
    And the breath Divine is Love.”

    —William Blake - The Everlasting Gospel

    Been catching up on some Blake reading this holiday.

    He will warm you up.

    If Blake is not pointing to the BPW, nothing does.

    He had a bit of a more realist view of Jesus.

    Blake warned against Urizen/Reason, the one who measures and bounds and conquers, as did Jung and Barfield.

    He plotted a course around reason and materialism, which dominated the last 400 years.

    Blake felt God was imagination.

    Barfield would agree.

    It seems so to me as well.

    Essence and existence coincide.

    “The Everlasting Gospel” - WB

    http://famouspoetsandpoems.com/poets/william_blake/poems/1128.html

    The God of the Left Hemisphere: Blake, Bolte Taylor and the Myth of Creation https://www.amazon.com/dp/1780491018/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_TCA4R3B0WCFT29YMK8KH

    The left hemisphere is either/or, black/white, up/down. But it isn’t like that in reality.

    Look to the imagination to fill in the picture.

    We are spiritual beings.

    And we are very far from home and making pigs pig of ourselves.

    Jung and many have prophesied about the passing of Urizen/Reason.

    It’s breakdown has come.

    This is what I think is happening too.

    This is the much bigger background of disclosure.

    No one controls this.

    As it happens inside ourselves, it happens outside us.

    The truth is each brain 🧠 hemisphere is involved in everything we do.

    How can a divided organ bring a singular vision?

    So the breakdown is good on the whole.

    Uncontrollable really.

    I have seen people literally become other people.

    Totally giving into hate.

    That way lies the dark side of the force.

    Master thyself and thy fear and you shall be lifted up.


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