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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    Post by dan Wed Aug 19, 2020 8:29 am

    First topic message reminder :

    Bjc could stand for lots of things.  It’s possible to suppose that it stands Baltimore Junior College.  It’s possible to suppose that c stands for chick, which is short for chicken.  

    Talk about a pink slip, yesterday, puts me in mind of being laid off, which puts me in mind of a retrospective.........

    And a topic header does require at least ten characters.......

    The allotted length for a thread is 40 pages...... giving us a chance to take the occasional breather...... as the show goes on.


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    Post by dan Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:16 pm

    Fore,

    I am not dismissing science.  

    I am merely turning it inside-out, and standing it on its head.  

    This is placing science within consciousness.  

    It is mind over matter, rather than matter over mind.  

    It might be a little tricky to get your head around that, at first.

    Yes, this is substituting the IDH/UTH for the ETH.  

    This is about the sky falling on our heads.

    Come on, Fore, I have two masters degrees in physics.  I wasn’t born yesterday.  

    Try putting your head around the concave Earth hypothesis, for instance.  

    The whole point of the small world hypothesis (SWH) is that we are not lost in space and time, as science insists.

    Space and time are inside our heads.

    This is about Owen Barfield, Saving the Appearances.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:30 pm

    We have to include science as a way of knowing and religion and mathematics and culture and philosophy and mysticism and poetry and the arts, all of it.

    Those come from us, the I we know and the one ☝ we don’t.

    It’s a big pie.

    One bite at a time.

    No need to gorge ourselves or be drunk or high even.

    I don’t like speaking in absolutes.

    That seems to miss the point of no points.
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    Post by dan Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:35 pm

    Science speaks in absolutes, especially about space and time.  

    This is about the Kantian worldview.  

    This is about seeing the world as being inter-subjective, rather than objective.  

    This is about relationalism....... you’d better Google it.

    This is about maya...... the world as illusion.  

    I’m a much better Buddhist than Chivo ever was.  

    Again, folks, little chick 🐥 is not dismissing science, I am merely turning it inside out, which is exactly where it belongs....... inside our heads.    This is exactly...... immaterialism.  

    Get over it....... get used to it.  

    Fores has an excuse for being a little bit naive about this....... the mother of all paradigm shifts (MoAPS).   Chivo has no such excuse.  

    This is personalism on steroids........ cosmic personalism, or interpersonal solipsism, if you will.  

    This is as radical as one can get, ontologically.

    The SWH/BPWH is not for the feint of heart.  It is not for the philosophically naive.  

    Jung spoke of the collective unconscious.  This is the collective conscious.  Jung didn’t push his idea quite far enough.  

    No, Chivo, you can’t take this one bite at a time.  

    It is a package 📦 deal....... a quantum leap into the Abyss.  

    Sorry, old chap.  

    It is not gravity holding us together........ it is agape/love.

    So we’d better start walking on our tipee toes......!

    We’re actually walking on eggshells........ it’s our cosmic egg 🥚.

    Just don’t look down....... you might get dizzy 😵.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Jan 13, 2021 9:08 pm

    Been there old man.

    Relax, have nothing on your mind.

    Take your ease.

    Now, in chaos, is the best time to practice, when no one is looking.

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    Post by dan Wed Jan 13, 2021 9:21 pm

    Ok, the many return to the One........ e pluribus unuum....... without anything being lost.

    We are the chrysalis turning into the butterfly....... etc.......

    Does Fores understand this?  

    He may need to do a little homework.  

    I would be happy to chat with him on the phone.  


    If and when you come onboard the BPWH/SWH, you won’t be in Kansas, anymore.  

    Gary, in the video above, doesn’t really convey the radical nature of Barfield.  

    Even Barfield barely touched upon the eschatological implications of final participation.  

    It it is a big leap from literature to cosmology.

    Your average English major is not signing up for the cosmic inversion, when you take Owen seriously 😳.  

    Another analogy that can used is the holographic paradigm.

    When we look at the world, we are really only looking at holograph.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Wed Jan 13, 2021 9:50 pm

    It is a mystery what anyone understands or doesn’t.



    Guite is a luminous man.

    The spirit blows around us, we don’t know why, it just flows, like thought and feeling.

    Barfield was pushing back on Kant.

    One discovers a profound inner experience compared to our walking around goofball driver.

    Often our act is just our own.

    I think it is rare to have a moment with the everything.

    You don’t need too much exposure, just the best amount of light hits you.

    But we are all capable of deep perception.

    We can get lost in fantasy, which I think most ufo culture is about.

    The fuzzy liminal world is where we meet the big fish.

    Somehow portals are involved.

    I think humans need a rich mythological aspect to be whole.

    We are deprived of this in our time.

    That’s how we connect deeply, without this, we are fodder for conspiracy and paranoia.

    We have stale symbols we prob need to move beyond now.

    Childhood’s end.

    Democrats and Republicans are gone now and we are lost in the wash.

    We are cursed to live in such interesting times.
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    Post by dan Wed Jan 13, 2021 10:13 pm

    Yes, portals are essential to understanding our inter dimensional world.  

    We think we’re living in a four dimensional world....... but it is more like an infinite dimensional world.  Physicists call it Hilbert space, but never mind.......
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    Post by Cyrellys Thu Jan 14, 2021 4:38 am

    Ah ha!  Dan finally has landed on the same page with me.  Finally two things I agree with (in two posts entoto).

    dan wrote:Science speaks in absolutes, especially about space and time.  

    This is about the Kantian worldview.  

    This is about seeing the world as being inter-subjective, rather than objective.  

    This is about relationalism....... you’d better Google it.

    This is about maya...... the world as illusion.  

    I’m a much better Buddhist than Chivo ever was.  

    Again, folks, little chick 🐥 is not dismissing science, I am merely turning it inside out, which is exactly where it belongs....... inside our heads.    This is exactly...... immaterialism.  

    Get over it....... get used to it.  

    Fores has an excuse for being a little bit naive about this....... the mother of all paradigm shifts (MoAPS).   Chivo has no such excuse.  

    This is personalism on steroids........ cosmic personalism, or interpersonal solipsism, if you will.  

    This is as radical as one can get, ontologically.

    The SWH/BPWH is not for the feint of heart.  It is not for the philosophically naive.  

    Jung spoke of the collective unconscious.  This is the collective conscious.  Jung didn’t push his idea quite far enough.  

    No, Chivo, you can’t take this one bite at a time.  

    It is a package 📦 deal....... a quantum leap into the Abyss.  

    Sorry, old chap.  

    It is not gravity holding us together........ it is agape/love.  

    So we’d better start walking on our tipee toes......!  

    We’re actually walking on eggshells........ it’s our cosmic egg 🥚.  

    Just don’t look down....... you might get dizzy 😵.  



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    and here's the second one.

    dan wrote:Yes, portals are essential to understanding our inter dimensional world.  

    >>>>We think we’re living in a four dimensional world....... but it is more like an infinite dimensional world.  Physicists call it Hilbert space, but never mind.......<<<<<

    Remember in 2008 Dan, when I said to you Old Irish [Aes Dana Willamette] have a saying:

    Mind is not limited by Time, Space, nor Place.

    update it to current linguistics:  

    Consciousness is not limited by Time, [any given] Distance, nor [any given] Point of Perception/Perspective/Location.

    Mind over matter....remember I also told you our Danann ancestors had used this to terraform the land upon return after scuttling the ships to keep the craft out of Fomor hands.  It is still in the translated documents in the University of Ireland's archive C.E.L.T. Corpus of Electronic Texts...your proof of paradigm.

    Today this ability if to be found in MPO/LERM: Manifest Production Observership... works of A.R. Bordon. deceased.

    And yes we have souls.  It's a very special expanded form of Consciousness Matrix which spans your "inter-dimensions" in a state of "relational-being"  what we call the Pursuit of All Being.


    Cyrellys wrote:The test decried 'no one, may gain admittance'. A one or
    oneness was a metrical state of being...a consciousness of physical form with a low vibrational wavelength.

    All Being is a truth-study in the vast, complex communion with
    all things.

    All Being is a work of Greater Art. [Such] Art, Zari knew, required creative ingredients.

    The Triads of Knowledge stated, four things are needed by every work of art: a place, a time, an author, and a cause.

    That was the answer to the riddle! The connection between the current state of being and the components of art as transformation!

    Zari went to one knee and spoke reverently, "it is not some One who requests admittance, Lady. It is a humble Author; pure inspiration; pure creative consciousness, shaken like stardust over everything both aware and unaware; I am a facet of the mythic truth, written in the greenbook of the Grass -- the primal scripture of all worlds."

    A greenbook is a guide book.

    The story excerpt above, a book I've been working on writing over the years, I've been sharing with you all as illustrative of what I've been saying.  It's a Cartesian Theater where 'it all comes together'.

    Key Concepts I've used from Danann culture include:  Awen, biomind, Book of Life [one of a set of books on repairing, creating, modifying, and preserving (planetary) Biomes and their integration with Universal Consciousness systems, Neart.

    And synched it appropriately as I understand our reality with modern concepts such as:  Ontology, Qualia, Quantum Thought Field, Quantum Field Theory, T-Boundary, and Bordon's concept of the Unum.

    Dan, you glossed over my prior quotes from the book failing to see it in the context of what I was saying giving working examples in context.  These concepts have been carefully preserved for many millennia and modern science is only just now returning to them. 

    A "Slave of the Wheel" is a Ollam (Drui Scholar) specialized in preservation of ancient technology.  The Aes Dana Willamette are descendants of a certain family who were "Slaves of the Wheel".


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    Post by dan Thu Jan 14, 2021 8:10 am

    1510zulu..........

    Ok, Cy,

    Now we are in conversation.......

    We both are speaking from the heart.      

    What then is the heart?

    I suggest to you that there is but one heart.  

    It is the heart of the Cosmos.  

    Ultimately, we all speak from that heart.


    1640........

    I’m waiting for Cy to respond on the other thread........

    The topic is now nationalism v universalism.  

    Plot spoiler........ little chick 🐥 is a unitarian/universalist.  

    How can I be a Christian and a Universalist?  

    Simple....... by being a Jesus freak.  

    On the other thread, I asked...... what is the heart?  

    Is it not universal?  

    If it is not, we are up the creek without a paddle.  

    Personally, I would like to have a paddle.  

    Is that just me?  

    What about Chivo?  Would he like a paddle?  


    This was from a few days ago........
    Being careful when playing with fire 🔥
    As with Prometheus
    He is a fire bug as am I!
    Well, Princess, we don't want to have too much fun 🤩.  
    Why not?
    This week was entertaining
    Too much fun.........?
    Folks have died from laughing
    I heard!


    1710........

    Today...........
    How are we doing, Princess 👸?
    Great! You?
    Couldn't be better.  

    What's next?  
    What would make it better?
    Me being part of your philosophy group, Princess 👸.  
    Aren't you still under house arrest?
    That depends.......

    Make me an offer I can't refuse.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Jan 14, 2021 10:29 am

    Awww, the kids are sharing their toys, warms the heart Wink
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    Post by dan Thu Jan 14, 2021 10:35 am

    1735zulu.........

    Yes,

    Wouldn’t it be fun to be in bed with one’s grandmother and goddaughter?  

    A real threesome.  

    Vice in nice....... but incest is best.  

    Just ask Adam and Eve!  


    1800.........

    To Chivo 🐐.......
    We’re getting close to another zoom 🏎 meeting.  

    The zoom meeting to end all zoom meetings.  

    Tell little chick 🐥 that he’s wrong 😑.......


    1905z..........

    Ok, we’re starting another zoom meeting......... who else is on board, besides Eric and Aaron?  


    1940........

    Remember Scott......... he will be on board with us at 0000zulu.

    Eric will be ready at 0300zulu.  

    It might be a long night.  

    Aaron will also be ready at 0300z.  

    Ok ✅, little chick 🐥 is ready when you are........ https://us02web.zoom.us/j/4176099117

    Notice the URL...... usweb...... I wonder if that is from Joe F.  


    2015........ it’s getting really lonely 😩 on zoom 🏎.  

    I think I’d better head out for my constitutional........


    2115.........

    We have a couple more recruits for this evening.  

    I’ll be back in about a half hour.......


    2150........

    Hey, there, calm down........ don’t everyone call at once......


    2230.........

    You can still be the first to join........!  


    0035...........

    Scott and I are on zoom.  

    My phone is 443799 seven two oh one.  


    0140............

    Still on with Scott.......



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    Post by Foresaperire Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:42 pm

    Immaterialism going mainstream via Fox News Smile


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    Post by dan Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:45 pm

    Interesting......!

    Scott just mentioned https://www.resonancescience.org/about-nassim-haramein

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    Post by Cheguevoblin Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:49 pm

    *burb*

    Don’t believe the fake news.

    Ha!
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Thu Jan 14, 2021 8:49 pm

    Foresaperire wrote:Immaterialism going mainstream via Fox News Smile



    That was funny.

    Silly explanation.

    Facing reality as simulation lead me down the rabbit hole to psychedelics.

    Yep.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri Jan 15, 2021 12:38 am

    So I saw a Frontline tonight about Alex Jones and Infowars.

    Roger stone rode Alex and took his audience and had them vote for trump.

    A giant formula for alternative fact generation, printing cash.  

    Psychological warfare.

    It was incredible to see how he began and rode 9/11 to 1/6/21.

    He probably got trump elected.

    And he sells crap.

    So America was brought down by lies.

    He was the perfect John the Baptist for the antichrist.

    Hitler and Stalin make Trump though look like mr Rogers, so he must be the best possible Antichrist.

    Maybe we should be thankful he isn’t a Robert E Lee.

    He’s an orange 🍊 windbag most dangerous to himself.

    I have to say, one thing that impressed me about Lincoln is how he read about how to wage war and he did it when he came across incompetent generals.

    He was a pain in the ass if you didn’t know more than him.

    Can you imagine Trump playing war?

    He would go full nuke I bet.

    Thank god Trump is a malignant narcissist.

    But bad, because Bannon and his buddies have been pulling trump’s strings all along.

    Anyway, thank god for old bastards like Grant.

    He knew, you have to break your enemies back, fast.

    You have to break their will to fight and that means fire.

    The human ape is a mad beast.

    Whether it deserves further time on earth I cannot say.

    Grant was brilliant how he attacked and attacked.

    If I ever had to, I’d fight like grant.

    You have to be hot 🥵 iron.

    You have to fight evil and nihilism like that sometimes.

    And you have to fight for the right to fuck up...and party.

    Life would suck with no parties.

    Who wants a master?!

    The weak ones have to have a master it seems.

    This disease 🦠 spreads in minds like it does bodies.

    I suspect this virus is multi-dimensional.

    What is the meaning of virus?

    Just a tool of nature?

    There is your portal.

    Hello darkness my old friend.

    I hope we have a couple of Grants around still.

    I have no doubt, given the chance, trump would put the heads of all his enemies on spikes in front of the whitehouse if he could.

    But he would be too incompetent even for that.

    But...

    The step toward bloody tyrant seems small when you have an army of lie addicted cultists ready to die.

    The Nazis won when they could move fast.

    The secret was they could stay up for days thanks to crystal meth.

    Those Nazis were some clever evil apes.

    I didn’t think Americans could be so radical, I’m impressed.

    But when you make everyone poor, you get this.

    When you threaten their god, you get this.

    They radicalized grandmas.

    Respect.

    Christianity prepared them to be soldiers in God’s white army.

    They are being activated now.

    They are fighting for white Jesus!

    Amen!

    Praise the Lord!

    Hallelujah!

    What trump and Jones are is the face and heart of the monster that lives in the internet.

    It is leviathan risen from the abyss.

    They cut a few heads off, but more will grow back.

    If I were a religious muppet, and I’m sure as hell not, I’d say it looks like the end of days.

    Lucky for me, that’s bullshit.
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    Post by dan Fri Jan 15, 2021 8:48 am

    1550zulu.......

    The ‘zoom’ meeting went from about 3pm to midnight EST.  

    During that time, I was on the phone and online with about a dozen of us, with up to four of us at any one time.

    Having maintained virtual phone silence for many months, it was a sort of Groundhog Day for little chick 🐥.  

    Were we able to see our shadow?  

    Yes and no.  

    Was Spring in the air?  

    It seemed that our mood reflected the global mood.....

    Well, there was a cautious optimism amongst us, toward Disclosure......

    Globally, there is anticipation shrouded in anxiety.  

    The idea that donny could be the ante christ was shared.  

    Folks globally are definitely in the market for a Messiah.  

    And it’s fair to say that this anticipation is one of desperation.  


    Along these lines, however, I was only recently apprised of the apparent implosion over at TTSA.  And I understand that an earlier article by Keith K may have played a role in this denouement.  

    The whole TTSA affair has seemed to be an orchestrated/inside job..... from the beginning...... with Tom being the agent of opportunity.  

    If this denouement was also orchestrated...... where do we go from here?  

    Certainly, Keith has been on the trail of chick 🐥....... with particular interest in my various excursions to the looney bin.  

    A hatchet job on poor little chick 🐥?  

    Yes...... but the best possible hatchet job!  

    When it comes to putting your best foot forward, I’m a bit of a contrarian....... sort of like....... foot 🦶......

    And it might be easier for chick 🐥 to talk to donny, when his finger is not on the button....... talk about optimism!  

    Inside job.........?  

    I mean, really, did we expect another Crucifiction?  

    In my humble estimation...... that would have been really stupid!  

    But, hey, I just work here.  


    1700.......

    So, on the phone yesterday were Alien Protocol, Eric, Aaron, Scott H, Bob K, Earthling, Doug....... golly, that’s only eight of us.  

    But, still, we were able to sink a few ships.......

    The biggest rift with those of us, remaining, was between Chris B and foot 🦶.

    With the help of Doug, it seems that it has been mostly sorted....... once we put our minds to it...... only five years after the Vegas incident.  Diana’s was the face that launched a thousand ships.  

    Have we solved all the world’s problems?

    Well, there’s nothing that a portal or two couldn’t fix.  

    Everything in it’s appointed time....... isn’t that right, Princess 👸.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri Jan 15, 2021 10:20 am

    This life means whatever you want it to, don't be deceived by others.

    As far as we know, it ends completely when your eyes shut for good, act accordingly.

    Anything else, you are making up, so why not make this life what you want.

    Personally, I don't need another life or another chance.

    I live here, now and I don't want to hurt anyone or change anyone's mind.

    If I find one anxious, I'll offer what I can to help them relax.

    Otherwise, we live in the same appearance and I won't go any further than what is.

    I need no secret documents.

    I need no disclosure.

    I need no punishment or messiah.

    I don't care who the president is.

    I'll roll with fascism or liberalism.

    Have a good one.

    Take er easy.
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    Post by dan Fri Jan 15, 2021 10:41 am

    Chivo,

    Could you sometime just show an ounce of concern for your fellow muppets?

    I know how you love to posture, but would it kill you to come down off your mighty perch?  

    Do you want to go down in history like poor Melania........ do I look like I care?  

    We can fool all of the people some of the time.........

    Rest assured that we will all succumb to cosmic agape in the end, but does that mean that we are entitled to thumb our nose at the cosmos, in the meantime?

    But, yes, indifference is a wonderful excuse to just sit back and watch the show....... with a bag of popcorn 🍿.



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    Post by Foresaperire Fri Jan 15, 2021 11:31 am

    dan wrote:1550zulu.......


    The biggest rift with those of us, remaining, was between Chris B and foot 🦶.



    Foot introduced me to Chris B last year and there were no signs of any rift at that time. I am not sure if this was pre or post Doug's intervention.
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    Post by Cyrellys Fri Jan 15, 2021 11:53 am



    _________________

    "This is an indeterminite problem. How shall I solve it? Pessimistically? Or optimistically? Or a range of probabilities expressed as a curve, or several curves?..........Well.....we're Loonies. Loonies bet. Hell, we have to! They shipped us up and bet us we couldn't stay alive. We fooled 'em. We'll fool 'em again!" Robert Heinlein, The Moon is a Harsh Mistress.



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    Rooster's Crow Confusion
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    A dog with no Illusion.

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    Post by Foresaperire Fri Jan 15, 2021 1:56 pm

    The BPW's intent noble is but it still falls short - it is similar to the concept of grace within Christianity and its unhealthy safety net on behavior and the requirement of an important behavioral shift in society that would include some indication of responsibility within an ecosystem on the micro or macro level.  The materialistic approach is clearly broken (badly) and Christianity has become its bedfellow.  Statistically one could argue that as a species, humanity is not capable of the responsibilities that falls within immaterialism and the "technology" that is tied to this framework and its modus operandi which includes immediate cause and effect with intent and actions (thoughts are observed and on display).  

    Pushing out the bridge and timeline with bigger rockets (yawn), a trickle of disclosure, a reduction in population, and a "tuning" of consiosusness with social programming is a practical approach.  The population will be reduced, we have AI to extend life and therefore the timescale can be pushed out and adjusted.   Two sides of a coin - the other side argues that due to the environmental climate crisis, and other predictive related factors, this timeline must happen now or be dramatically accelerated.

    There are two extremist groups in the country that operate with similar intent and behavior.  Therefore, if may be worth taking a step back.  No matter the outcome of the election we would be facing similar social scenarios and upheaval.  Everyone needs to take a deep breath and see the forrest from the trees.  While you're at it, spend some time in your garden or just go out for a walk and get some fresh air.


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    Post by dan Fri Jan 15, 2021 2:17 pm

    2120z........

    Fores,

    Well, if your information is correct, then foot’s position has always been secure...... which I believe, anyway.


    Cy,

    Clearly you align yourself with the forces of light.  

    I wonder what assurances we have that good will triumph over evil?  

    Does God not know the outcome?  

    Does not this drama repeat itself on the myriad planets?  

    I’m not quite sure I see the point of multiplying the evil here, on an infinity of other worlds.  

    Is there not a point of diminishing returns, in terms of the lessons learned?  

    And what about the worlds where evil triumphs?  

    Is that just the luck of the draw?  

    And so you were parachuted in here, to save our sorry asses.  

    How many planets are serviced in this manner, we might wonder?  

    Cannot God put all her eggs in one basket 🧺, and then watch the basket carefully?  


    2300........  

    Yes, Scott,

    Welcome back.  

    Thank you for your time, yesterday.  It had been too long since we had spoken.  
    ................



    You, Cy, claim to be closer to God than the rest of us, poor sods, down here.  

    How many layers of evolution are between you, and the rest of us?

    And how many layers between you and God?

    Has God ever been down here to check up on us?  

    I’m sorry, but this cosmology just seems extremely redundant...... which would mean that all of us are highly expendable.  

    That is not a good feeling.  How can God care for us if we are so expendable?  We might well be on the worst possible world.  

    Where is the love in that?  

    This makes us the spawn of God, rather than the children of God.  

    No?  Am I missing something?  



    Fore,

    With regard to your last post, just above.......

    You make an excellent argument for the imperative that Disclosure must come as soon as possible.  

    That is precisely my argument.  

    Folks are not going to be able to ‘step back’ if we don’t have a radical reassessment about who we are and why we are.  


    Cy.......

    And this makes me want to ask Cy about the role of Disclosure in her cosmic scenario........

    God is being plain evil if ‘she’ does not have a plan for Disclosure/Revelation....... the best possible plan.  

    And here we are on your website that is devoted to just that!  

    So, what’s the plan?  

    If everyone knew the Truth, you would probably be put out of a job..... coordinating the resistance.  

    How is the cosmic Truth going to be revealed to us?  

    And what are we waiting for?  

    Are you going to have to defeat the bad guys before we are allowed to see the Truth?


    0200.........

    Is Disclosure just an afterthought in the Big World cosmologies?  

    That is pretty much why I gave up on a big world teleology....... I just couldn’t make sense of it...... there were too many logistical/sequencing issues....... of coordinating/orchestrating the myriads of planets/civilizations.  

    Central to the logistical issue is how to dispense the Truth.  

    You might imagine how my interest was piqued, when I happened upon John 12ff that fateful morning back in 1977.  

    Well, I spent the next five years trying shoehorn Disclosure into the standard cosmology.  It didn’t work.  

    Let’s face it...... God has withheld the Truth from us.  He has used science as our primary distraction.  

    Ufologists, who subscribe to the ETH, appeal to the Prime Directive to explain the hands off policy........ don’t interfere in the natural evolution of civilizations until they become capable of interstellar travel....... then there is no choice but to reveal the cosmic truths.  

    Christians suppose God to be evil, by withholding the Truth.

    If you don’t believe the Bible, it’s your own darn fault.

    Only when everyone in the world has been exposed to God’s Truth, as laid out in the Bible, will Jesus come down to judge you.

    So, if you have two masters degrees in physics, to Hell with you.

    There is cosmic justice, for you!



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    Post by Cuan Scott Fri Jan 15, 2021 3:24 pm

    Hey Dan,

    Good to speak to you yesterday.

    Haven't been here in such a long while..

    I trust everyone here is well Smile

    Been chopping wood and carrying water amongst other things for some time so I have a lot of catch up reading to do and to reacquaint myself with where the current discussion is.

    Sorry I missed the group chats..













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