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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    Post by dan Wed Aug 19, 2020 8:29 am

    First topic message reminder :

    Bjc could stand for lots of things.  It’s possible to suppose that it stands Baltimore Junior College.  It’s possible to suppose that c stands for chick, which is short for chicken.  

    Talk about a pink slip, yesterday, puts me in mind of being laid off, which puts me in mind of a retrospective.........

    And a topic header does require at least ten characters.......

    The allotted length for a thread is 40 pages...... giving us a chance to take the occasional breather...... as the show goes on.


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    Post by dan Fri Nov 20, 2020 9:53 am

    Chivo,

    You may be correct, but keep in mind that we are likely to be the best possible pustules.

    Also keep in mind that the donny show is not over until the Princess 👸 says it’s over.  

    She is keeping her own counsel.  

    And let’s just say that the devil 😈 we know may be better than the one we don’t.

    And if that isn’t a backhanded endorsement, I don’t know what is.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri Nov 20, 2020 10:02 am

    To clear your head of the mob and appearances, you have to be away on your own for years.

    You have to wander.

    To see what this is, one needs some depth and height and distance.

    Then the world is yours.

    All yours.

    I think I’ll have a hot fudge Sunday and just watch.
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    Post by dan Fri Nov 20, 2020 10:06 am

    Ok,

    foot 🦶 is just waiting for the riots to begin, so that he can start shooting.

    Then donny can call out the militias to start marching into the cities.  

    But, hey, everyone loves 💗 a parade!  

    A lot of folks will just think it’s a gay pride 🏳️‍🌈 parade, and join right in.  

    We’ll all go marching off into the sunset 🌇....... arm in arm.

    And that will be Buddy’s Big Love........ as the sky opens up overhead!  

    We just have to look at the bright side....... of the Abyss.....



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri Nov 20, 2020 10:11 am

    I got my gun right here.

    I’ll get as many clay pigeons as I can.

    I don’t care about their nonsense.

    They can’t touch this.

    And they hate us for knowing this.

    I am in some strange state where everything conspires for the best.

    That is the nature I joke about.

    Would the Jews being marched into the gas chambers have been so optimistic?

    How could they see anything but darkness?

    Some sang, others screamed and cried out to being.

    Standing in that dark hot room naked.

    I stand with them too.

    I remember.

    Trump and his sickness has real or imaginary cost?

    They don’t have plans or understand trump.

    They can’t trigger or stop a Hitler or another Holocaust.

    Things will happen.

    We are responsible.

    Fascists can burn in hell.

    Progressives can have their utopia.

    Give the muppets their rapture.

    Let them all go to their imagined worlds.

    The good and evil will perish and be reborn.

    Forever.


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    Post by dan Fri Nov 20, 2020 10:18 am

    1720z........

    That’s about right......


    1820..........

    Princess and I are negotiating over the makeup and agenda of the upcoming ‘rump’ session of the philosophy guild.  

    Yes, if donny wants this election so badly, he’s just going to have to go out and steal it.  

    That’s ok by me...... we will then have his number (666)....... as if we didn’t have it already.  

    This is just a little payback for little chick 🐥’s best possible virus 🦠.

    Hey, all is fair in love and war.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri Nov 20, 2020 12:21 pm

    False Prophets

    “The most important thing is to mistrust all those great prophets who have an easy “one-size-fits-all” solution in their pocket and tel us: If you just give me absolute power, then I will lead you to heaven.

    The answer to this is we give no one (or idol) absolute power over us. We want to reduce power to a minimum. Power is itself evil. And we cannot cast out one evil for another.”

    —Karl Popper on False Prophets

    Karl Popper had some deep insights into Being. Ironically the religious have mostly fallen to Trump’s iconoclasm. It’s amazing to see. They are totally deluded. Karl lived through the Nazis and saw his country fall to false prophets. I am witnessing the same and Trump is doing exactly what Hitler did attacking Democracy. I see trumpers and any who idolize ideas or people as following false prophets!

    We are so easy to fool and take advantage of. One must be vigilant against delusions and wishful thinking, THINK FOR YOURSELF!

    That is the word from history to my self now.

    I sent myself a message.

    A message in a bottle of being.

    Distrust yourself most until you know you are golden.

    It is so easy to be seduced by the mind snakes and easy answers.

    I’m afraid there isn’t an answer to find.

    Can you live with this?

    You have to.

    This must surely be the best of all possible worlds, that I can suffer and come to know my being here AND in history.

    Can’t say it matters a damn to anyone else, but this matters to me.

    You will make ZERO connections without sincerity.
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    Post by dan Fri Nov 20, 2020 12:30 pm

    1930z........

    Chivo,

    Have a little faith that all of the people cannot be fooled all of the time.  

    Until Disclosure, most of us will be fooled.

    The best possible Disclosure naturally follows the best possible Concealment.

    Don’t be impatient........!


    2020........

    Yes, donny thought he could get along without his ‘space’ command.  

    I think he has gotten back in line, again....... just like the rest of us.  

    Hey, donny, we all have to put our pants 👖 on, one leg at a time.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri Nov 20, 2020 1:43 pm

    Truly, Trump is a fucking moron.

    One bad idea after another after another.

    No wisdom, no joy, no love but for himself.

    666 is a laughable being.

    The gas chambers were a nice touch.

    Jesus and Buddha are two of the greatest false prophets who ever lived!

    Are you kidding me with their bullshit Wink

    Patience, of course, I have no choice really in the matter.

    I’m just watchin it all go by.

    I can’t do a thing.


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    Post by dan Fri Nov 20, 2020 1:47 pm

    Well, Chivo,

    If so, they were the best false prophets who ever lived....... just one part of the best possible story ever told.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri Nov 20, 2020 1:51 pm

    Agree.

    The best false prophets are the ones we know.

    I am the greatest false prophet, this I know.

    No fucking Bible had to tell me so.

    I have always known what a fraud life and death is.

    Minus all the stupid muppets, it’s very beautiful.

    I’m afraid humanity is a failed project accept for a few.

    And what of those who are free?

    Free to just be.

    A few met life and pierced it with their sincerity.

    The rest are just scenery I’m afraid suffering in ignorance.

    Shrug.
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    Post by dan Fri Nov 20, 2020 2:19 pm

    Again, there is a perfectly good reason for frauds.  

    You should know this already, Chivo....... I shouldn’t have to be telling you.  

    Every prophet has access to limited information........ this includes b, j & c.  

    That’s why, at this critical juncture we have visitors 1,2,3&3.5.  Each of us operates quasi independently.

    I’m afraid humanity is a failed project accept for a few.
    How clueless you are, Chivo.

    Everyone of us muppets is the best possible muppet for his or her particular task.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri Nov 20, 2020 4:21 pm

    I pierced my own bubble.

    You might want to attempt this.

    The final step for you as far as I can tell.

    We are just singing into the wind and walking in the stream that is never the same.

    So go ahead and try to work it out.

    You never ever will.

    And neither will anyone else.

    We can know this here and then we die.

    In the meantime, I will enrich and fatten myself for the slaughter.

    The world looks pretty scrumptious to me.

    I know exactly what Jack Sarfatti decided and I agree, I just don't share his repugnant politics, I'm sure I'll get there.

    Enjoy yourself fully, cause you gonna die.

    I don't care WTF all these other apparent idiots do.

    God shows up here and I'll knock its block off with my big stick.

    We're all selfish, that is our nature, when you accept this, embody it fully, you take another breath and another step, it's cool.

    You still wanna play in the metanarrative, have at it, in that story, I have limitless power and am the one always behind you.

    Crowley has wet dreams about my power.

    Flower power baby, for the win!

    "Nothing gold can stay."

    I'm here to collect as much gold as I can.

    I have quite a haul here.

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri Nov 20, 2020 4:36 pm

    “Nature’s first green is gold,
    Her hardest hue to hold.
    Her early leaf’s a flower;
    But only so an hour.
    Then leaf subsides to leaf.
    So Eden sank to grief,
    So dawn goes down to day.
    Nothing gold can stay.”

    —Robert Frost

    "Perhaps no single poem more fully embodies the ambiguous balance between paradisiac good and the paradoxically more fruitful human good than 'Nothing Gold Can Stay,' a poem in which the metaphors of Eden and the Fall cohere with the idea of felix culpa."

    Brought to you via that inner watcher, whatever it is.

    This is how we communicate.

    Fits and starts
    Signs and wonders
    Who could believe that
    The Town could flounder
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    Post by U Fri Nov 20, 2020 7:54 pm

    Smelly El Chivo wrote:

    You still wanna play in the metanarrative, have at it, in that story, I have limitless power and am the one always behind you.

    Crowley has wet dreams about my power.

    Oh, get thee behind me Smelly.

    You've always had some competition, I'm one of the few if not the only one to make you break character. If but for one sweet night. Wink

    Just as the doctor ordered.

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri Nov 20, 2020 9:16 pm

    Try not trying.

    Who could possibly remove the 🗡 from the stone?

    It can be done.

    It will take a sincerity you would find difficult to comprehend.

    I have had many names...

    I am the winged ones dark brother.

    I am the stick you always find tangled in your feet.

    I am the accuser of all who would approach.

    I only know your one name.

    Pretender...

    🐐

    The name is smelly, Smelly De El Chivo.

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri Nov 20, 2020 9:40 pm

    ex post facto

    “Corpses are more fit to be cast out than dung.”

    — Heraclitus - Fragment 96

    Here is history Dan, we have gone from gods to god and now we are on the way back.

    This reveals the sacred again locally and makes it personal.

    Monotheism is dead, shattered, it just doesn’t know it and I am its happy executioner.

    Yuh just kill it as any other thing that claims absolute anything.

    Get over it, get used to it, life is a lot more varied than we have allowed and it can’t to be contained in our silly boxes.

    But we are contained within these bodies that have a certain pattern and set of abilities and potential.

    We appear in a context.

    This is final participation.
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    Post by Allthereis Sat Nov 21, 2020 3:44 am

    1. The most boring and unproductive question someone can ask of a religion is whether or not it's true.


    2. You need to find a way to live your life, that it doesn't make a mockery of your values.

    *2.1 I examine my values before I decide they shouldn't be made a mockery of.


    3.


    4. I am neither male nor female, nor am I sexless. I am the Peaceful One, whose form is self-effulgent, powerful radiance


    5. Only poetry isn't shit.

    *5.1 Excessive poetry is total shit.


    6. But my heart is an old house
    (the kind my mother
    grew up in)
    hell to heat and cool
    and faulty in the wiring
    and though it’s nice to look at
    I have no business
    inviting lovers in.

    7. She'll soon forget.

    Quotes sent to me from a very special stranger.

    I hóþé Í mèët ÿðü sòmé dàÿ Smile





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    Post by U Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:42 am

    I'm good at pretend.

    THE BEST!

    Smile
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    Post by dan Sat Nov 21, 2020 12:27 pm

    1930z...........

    The remaining question is when will mitch head to the White House to bid donny farewell.  

    There will be a delegation of Republicans.  They may not have that much gumption, but donny might invite them, as an exit strategy.  

    Things are quiet on this end.  I’m doubtful there will be a December surprise.  

    Whither Disclosure?  Will foot 🦶 take his football 🏈 and head home?  

    I’m not holding my breath either way, but I’m not seeing a segue for 2&3.  

    Little chick 🐥........?  I don’t think the small world is going away.  


    2020...........

    There might even be a way ahead.......

    It is more that a little curious to discover that the head of the proud boys is an afro-cuban, rico torrio.  It must be a small world...... explaining why sleepy joe couldn’t take Florida.  

    We might be getting a reprieve........ but hardly a rescindment from the Eschaton.  

    The groundwork has been put in place...... of that we can be assured.

    Might there be a spontaneous portal flap, in the meantime?  

    We barely have a handle on the ecology of portals...... or how that might compare with the ecology of the Sun and atoms..... the two phenomenologies might be seen as opposites.

    What the scientists study is the detritus of that ecology, understanding that, in the BPW, ‘detritus’ is a very relative term.  



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sat Nov 21, 2020 4:05 pm

    One muppet's detritus is another's mana.
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    Post by dan Sun Nov 22, 2020 6:01 am

    Yes, mana is not a bad word for the detritus of the cosmic Oikos.

    I mean, where would we be without some form of entropy...... physical and/or metaphysical?  

    I’ll tell you where....... we would have cosmic constipation. Ha!

    In a physically finite, ie. personal world, there must be recycling...... which is rather the point of the Ouroboros.  

    Poor, donny, he is not exempt from recycling...... no number of lawyers will be able to win a reprieve from the cosmic destiny.

    But, wait, is the BPW recycled ♻?

    Yes and no.......


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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Nov 22, 2020 10:20 am

    I certainly don’t have things all buttoned up.

    Far from out.

    Everyday the kosmos shows me more and I relax more.

    I’m in the middle of the stream and feel the water flowing all around my body.

    I feel the rocks under my feet.

    If I lay on my back, the water moves me swiftly.

    I am just my body as far as I know.

    If I would never have met another human.

    I would never have thought of being anywhere but here.

    Trump is his own enemy, not mine.

    I don’t hate Christians, believe what you like.

    Do I respect one who has not embraced the immediacy of life?

    No.

    I don’t hate Nazis, I know they are like wild animals who would rip my head off without a thought.

    I don’t hate spooks, they seek control in a universe none will ever be found.

    They are just patriotic liars mostly, lying is necessary when dealing with apes.

    But sincerity is much more powerful than lying thankfully.

    And I don’t hate my mother, though she will he remembered as a cruel one.

    All that in the stream.

    It just comes and goes.

    What do I attach to?

    What is mine?

    Nothing.

    I don’t accept anything as final or settled, life has shown me it doesn’t work like that.

    This is how you flow with this as this.

    Why do I mention this at all?

    Because there are so few here in the stream not drowning.

    I have compassion for the drowning, but a drowning person can’t be helped unless they relax just enough.

    It hurts me to see so much of life is misunderstood by the muppet.

    So I stay available.

    I stay connected.

    I accept my part in the story.

    I know the strength living this gives me.

    I know the difference it makes.

    Difference and immanence.

    Radical immanence.

    Thinking about philosophy already has you abstracting what is. Beware. How to best pragmatically live is always my guide.

    “Deleuze offers that pure immanence and life will suppose one another unconditionally: "We will say of pure immanence that it is A LIFE, and nothing else. ... A life is the immanence of immanence, absolute immanence: it is complete power, complete bliss." This is not some abstract, mystical notion of life but a life, a specific yet impersonal, indefinite life discovered in the real singularity of events and virtuality of moments. A life is subjectless, neutral, and preceding all individuation and stratification, is present in all things, and thus always immanent to itself. "A life is everywhere ...: an immanent life carrying with it the events and singularities that are merely actualized in subjects and objects."

    An ethics of immanence will disavow its reference to judgments of good and evil, right and wrong, as according to a transcendent model, rule or law. Rather the diversity of living things and particularity of events will demand the concrete methods of immanent evaluation (ethics) and immanent experimentation (creativity). These twin concepts will become the basis of a lived Deleuzian ethic.”

    This isn’t perfect, but it’s a lot closer to reality in my experience.

    The discovery of truth is in the discernment of the false. We are only and always foolin ourselves.

    Still, I enjoy the chase, I know there is nothing to find, but one likes to play things out, go through the motions.

    I like to wiggle a like a bee and point to the honey. Why not follow your bliss while you are in the hell we have made of life.
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    Post by dan Sun Nov 22, 2020 12:29 pm

    1930z........

    Yes, Deleuze is not that far from the BPWH.  


    So in what sense is the BPW recycled ♻........?

    The life of every person is engraved upon Eternity....... just don’t take it personally.  

    I mean...... just because your life is a piece of Eternity, that doesn’t mean it belongs to you.  Your life doesn’t belong to you...... it belongs to the Source. You are merely an observer, along for the ride.  

    Your life goes to heaven and hell...... it goes to the great washing machine in the sky.  

    But there is no detritus..... besides the pure/microcosmic atoms ⚛, which, of course, don’t actually exist...... outside of the cosmic ledger 📒 books.  

    The only one who is allowed to see the cosmic ledger 📒 is God.  

    That is the Akashic record.  

    You and I will only see it through God’s eyes 👀.  


    2000.......

    Yes, we can focus on any life we wish..... in infinite detail.  

    We can see it all, instantaneously...... seeing exactly how it fits into the Metanarrative.  It is a panoramic view, as seen through an electron microscope 🔬.  

    Trust me, sports fans, you won’t believe it until you see it.  

    Yes, it’s not unlike a deep dive into the Mandelbrot, except that you come out on the other side, and then it all makes sense...... we will know ourselves for the first time.  

    Chivo 🐐 can intuit this....... he just can’t verbalize it...... quite as well as little chick 🐥....... but he’s learning.  chick verbalizes it good enuf for gummint work....... cosmic gummint.  

    It looks like donny was the best possible distraction for the best possible Disclosure....... good job, pardner........ see you on the other side. He sure kept foot 🦶 entertained.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Nov 22, 2020 8:40 pm

    Let me try to say it this way.

    The past is virtual and always present where we actualize the virtual and somehow interact with the future too which is actualizing us virtually.

    In my opinion, I say it clearer than Dan.

    But I am learning the knack of what observing is and how to be here.

    That is of value to any who will stick here.

    Who am I to stop my life?

    Exactly, it doesn’t belong to me or to any other muppet.

    I am not going to give out the gold.

    I can’t do that.

    No one can.

    No one can lead you to heaven.

    You have to make your own way, and create your own life and mask in the space given to you.

    We are encouraged to do this.

    You have to dig for the gold.

    But you aren’t going to find any.

    By the time you realize this, you won’t care anymore Wink

    Philosophy is the creating of concepts.

    But first you have to see this for what it is and be honest about what you do and don’t know.

    It is humbling to be here.

    Some ask what is the point of studying the different grand narratives that have emerged in history if not true?

    Why does our own past matter?

    Because it helps us to see where we are better.

    It has to be practical to being here now I say or it should be discarded.

    One has to dialogue about what they are thinking to clarify it.

    I don’t know many who have developed their own philosophy, but I encourage all I know to do so.

    It goes slowly.
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    Post by dan Mon Nov 23, 2020 8:35 am

    1530z.........

    Chivo 🐐 says that existence is virtual....... chick 🐥 says it’s relative.  

    ‘Virtual’ has become too closely associated with AI....... folks may get the wrong 😑 idea.  

    If existence is not objective, then it is relative.  

    It’s true that no one can lead you to the Monad, but to get there, we will have to hold hands 🙌.  

    Chivo 🐐 is such an individualist. He doesn’t understand the difference between being a person and being an individual.  

    He doesn’t understand identity.  Atoms are supposed to be the true individuals, metaphysically...... and, of course, they have no identity.  

    Objects are not able to have identity.  

    ‘Objects’ may only have an ad hoc identity conferred upon them by persons.  


    1640.........

    To imagine objective identity is the most serious case of misplaced concreteness.  

    Anatta...... sunyata......

    Sunyata is a faulty extrapolation from anatta.  

    The Buddhist embracing the Abyss is the ultimate personal act....... courageous........ ask Chivo.  

    Yes, the I Am embraced the Abyss, and spun it into the best possible pearl of great price, but certainly not without our initial and final participation.



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