With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.
Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.
So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?
And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?
Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.
Bjc could stand for lots of things. It’s possible to suppose that it stands Baltimore Junior College. It’s possible to suppose that c stands for chick, which is short for chicken.
Talk about a pink slip, yesterday, puts me in mind of being laid off, which puts me in mind of a retrospective.........
And a topic header does require at least ten characters.......
The allotted length for a thread is 40 pages...... giving us a chance to take the occasional breather...... as the show goes on.
Last edited by dan on Wed Aug 19, 2020 8:38 am; edited 1 time in total
The Cosmic Coincidence Center (CCC) that donny thought he defunded is now speaking:
The Number Of Separated Migrant Kids Has Grown To 666
https://www.forbes.com/sites/danielcassady/2020/11/09/the-number-of-separated-migrant-kids-has-grown-to-666/?sh=38afc1654598 The number of separated children is actually 666, according to an email obtained by NBC – the higher number includes a group for which the government didn’t originally provide information that could help locate the parents.
Trump’s main path to challenge the election is to have some of the republican state legislatures disregard their own voters and attempt to choose their own electors.
It is likely that the SCOTUS would then become involved.
Even with a 6 to 3 majority, the court might not go along. The Court might refuse to be politicized.
It certainly ought to refuse.
Be that as it may, I would like to get back to metaphysics........
Developmental biology poses a strong challenge to biology’s embrace of teleonomy, along with its rejection of teleology, per se.
On the other side of that coin is biological senescence.
Is that not equally a challenge to immaterialism?
1830.........
hobbit,
Yes, the aboriginal dreaming is comparable to what Barfield calls original and final participation. ............
Biological decay is usually seen as a purely entropic process...... and entropic processes are seen as being merely atomic processes.
What would a non-atomic explanation of decay even look like?
What would a non-atomic explanation of melting or combustion look like?
What would a teleological explanation of either of them look like?
There are plenty of evolutionary explanations of senescence...... teleology can always piggyback on evolutionary theory..... and vice-versa.
Of course, there is the same problem with metabolism.
Without decay, there would be no digestion or respiration.
Presumably, these processes do not occur on the other side, so why do we need them over here?
Of course, if time is an illusion then so is mortality.
And, yes, there are many arguments in favor of the illusion of mortality.
Also, there is only one eternal soul...... the I Am.
Well, actually, there is just one soul, in any case..... the appearance of multiple souls being another illusion.
But, still, how do we pull off the illusion of mortality, without resorting to the reification of atoms?
We might just as well ask how we pull of the illusion of liquid and gas.
Atomic theory is essential to most of our understanding of the world.
How does atomic theory differ from gravitational theory, in these regards?
Physical theories are an essential part of our ecosystem........ the essential noumena to our phenomenal world.
This is much the same as the role of z’ = z^2 + C in the Mandelbrot phenomenon.
If we could explain gravity teleologically, we would be well on the way to explaining every other physical process.
How much overlap is there, between the why and the how of the world?
There is phenomenal/mundane gravity, and there is celestial gravity. It was Newton who realized they could be treated as a single force.
Come to think of it, we don’t have a physical theory of gravity, which would necessarily be a quantum theory.
What about General Relativity?
GR is, basically, a phenomenological theory, with a mathematical infrastructure. It does not explain how it is that mass is actually able to curve space-time. We are left with the unreasonable effectiveness of mathematics.
As with the Sun, we can simply include gravity as an essential ingredient in our global ecosystem. Its celestial manifestation is how we manage to save the celestial phenomena.
Why couldn’t we have used Ptolemaic epicycles instead? Well, when we include dark energy and dark matter, etc, we are resorting to a postmodern rendition of epicycles.
(cont.......)
Last edited by dan on Wed Nov 11, 2020 8:54 pm; edited 17 times in total
Watch the hands....contact dreamtime via the hands... the hands are our antennae.
Their "spirits" are consciousness, and consciousness makes all.
When I used to ramble on for miles following flows of consciousness , I became attuned and at one with such, akin to been in a river and going with the flow.
That's what the aborigonals achieve when they wander off into dreamtime, and their art works reveal it, especially to such as myself who can RECOGNISE it.
donny lived by lawyers, and he will die by lawyers.
Little chick lived by the Logos, and he will die by the Logos.
What is the Logos?
The Logos is best understood as cosmic Agape.
It is universal gravitation, along with everything else.
Little chick has the Logos Spermatikos by the tail.
If you wish to understand the LS, all you need to do is understand the brots in the Mandelbrot.
Embedded in the Mandelbrot is a metanarrative. It has an Alpha, but no Omega....... alack, alas.
Physicists understand the unreasonable effectiveness of mathematics (UEM).
What we don’t quite understand, yet, is the UEL...... the unreasonable effectiveness of the Logos.
The UEL is about transpersonal psychology.
Poor donny, he just doesn’t grok TP 🧻.
donny understands the back door of the Monad...... it has to do with the manipulation of fear. That will get you so far.
After that, all you can do is grab the tail of the LS...... and you are in for a ride....... just ask Chivo.
To grab the tail of the Logos, you have to understand the Alpha and Omega.
To understand the Alpha and Omega, you have to understand Being.
How does a Being differ from a person?
A Being is a person who understands the Logos...... they have become a Logos Spermatikos........ in real time.
They take to heart the LS.
This is the glory train , and we are bound for glory.
Did the jguy understand the Logos? Well, he came as close as the Metanarrative would allow.
We have been searching for the seal of the prophets.
This is it.
donny is my portent.
And foot 🦶 has donny and the Princess .
Maybe it’s time for a bit of Disclosure...... of show and tell.
A person is mortal...... a Being is immortal.
Understand that there is only one immortal Being. All the rest of us are just the little brots.
Grab the tail, and you are glory bound.
We come trailing clouds of glory....... and that’s how we will leave...... mission accomplished.
Get over it....... get used to it.
1430.........
We are bound for the heart of Being...... holding onto the Logos Spermatikos for dear life.
donny may understand this, but he still has to pretend to go down with his ship......... he is the great pretender.
The rest of us....... we have Truth by the tail.
Yes, donny volunteered to be the last one standing between us and Truth....... he was our last anchor....... keeping our feet on the ground...... barely .
It’s time to cut the anchor line....... praise the Lord, and pass the chain cutters.
The poor fundies....... they have a death grip on the dead letter, while the living word just floats on by.
How can Truth be Eternal and Living, at the same time?
This is the primary magic of Being.
This is the engine of the Eschaton.
To gain Life, you must be willing to put your own life aside..... you must be born again.
But, noté bené, being born again is nothing that you can do...... it can only happen....... so be patient....... very patient.......
When you are able to latch onto Being, you’ll understand how gravity and atoms derive from the ecology of the Logos...... from the UEL.
If you understand the Anthropic Principle and the mind-body problem, you already have a glimpse of the UEL.
If you take DMT, you will gain insight into the UEL.
DMT is a kind of Truth serum. I wouldn’t advise it, unless you are in dire straits....... if your faith has deserted you...... when logic and proportion have fallen sloppy dead .
DMT will lead you to the heart of darkness..... to the edge of the abyss, but only you can jump.
Little chick just follows the light..... but always keeping the abyss in sight.
1610........
Yes, we are all searching for the heart of gold.
It resides in the transpersonal realm. Every heart is a vector...... along the way.
And, noté bené, the transpersonal is the interpersonal on steroids....... it decidedly has nothing to do with anything transhuman, which doesn’t exist, anyhow.
2100.......
I’m not sure that Chivo will be quite so blasé when the lights go out.
Princess suggests that we should worry more about Kamala than donny. (And Aliyah will do anything to avoid Disclosure.)
My take, politically, is to throw out the rascals we know..... and start fresh...... but there will be no substitute for Disclosure.
Chivo just wants us to mind our own knitting 🧶.
Little chick is just a bit more curious 🧐...... nosy even.
And then there is this....... https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/04/magazine/societal-collapse.html
(cont.........) .
Last edited by dan on Thu Nov 12, 2020 2:24 pm; edited 5 times in total
Be skeptical of your own understanding most and then you are present being.
The English language and only knowing one language is a trap and a blessing.
DMT symbols are the first language maybe.
The lingua franca.
Your mind and body, the Rosetta Stone to being.
Infinite novelty.
Are we having fun yet?
Don’t take one word as final though. Taking a fixed position in a fractal guarantees the destruction of your mind and body with prejudice.
There is no answer, it is the loss of every question.
We still dialogue and ask each other questions.
Science busies itself with what this is.
I am not busy being this.
Though, we accept this here as a first principle of being, don’t stop fighting until you do.
This is not knowing, it’s being.
There is nothing more you need to learn or have for being.
Just be natural and relaxed and no sweat in the still point.
Ironically, then you can do your best work, any work that comes your way, you can do very well.
I speak up to let others know it’s possible.
But I can’t tell them why and no word I say is an answer.
Ironically, we become more curious about all this, not less, abiding it.
Why not have some fun while you are are?
There is absolutely no problem, accept that we see problems.
I don’t know what this nihilism so many warn about is, that’s just the ego throwing a pity party.
“I wanna kill myself.”
Waaaa.
“Life has no meaning.”
Waaaa.
This means what it is.
Most won’t look too deeply into this and maybe that is best for the story and their own coherence.
You do not achieve anything.
The alternative, living in conspiracy, is a terrible nightmare.
If that’s your thing, have at it, but no thanks.
That way lies insanity, at the edge.
Why leave this quiet center?
I don’t know why I looked into this.
Do I regret it, never.
Was it worth losing all the stories about this?
I gained them all.
I feel very fortunate, but that is because I was lied to and the truth is no truth.
And to whom or what does this matter either way?
This has no worth or risk or reward.
The only thing we risk is our story.
The price of entry into life was light and screaming.
The price of death is silence and darkness.
Let me say, our story seems important for coherence.
Does coherence matter in a fractal, is it not self coherent, maybe only as far as supporting something from nothing.
“Self-similarity properties of fractal structures, including the logarithmic spiral, are related to quantum dissipative dynamics, generalized squeezed coherent states and noncommutative geometry in the plane. ... The global nature of fractals appears to emerge from irreversible coherent local deformation processes.”
No one needs to hear me, I can’t point to anything.
I’m useless for muppet work, but now, it doesn’t matter what my work is.
I’m known as Eric and Chivo both and many other names, I am coherent and incoherent in superposition.
It doesn’t matter how I resist or accept this, but why fight it?
I don’t resist this anymore mostly, I hold it, but I don’t hold onto it.
That’s how you grab the tail, by not grabbing it.
I didn’t decide to grab the dragon tail.
I found myself holding it.
Presence is just being this.
If you let yourself, you will know bliss and yes, peace, enduring abiding peace, as you have known chaos.
So to let go is to hold without grasping.
Hold this.
Stick it.
Be here.
Or not
But we would miss any we love who leave too soon.
They mean something, to us.
Can you love all of it, you can’t as an act love it all, but you can be fully embodied here.
Here could be called agape, but that is a limit of our minds.
You don’t have presence or awareness, yuh are presence and awareness.
This is participating here, get used to it, get over it. (I love when Dan says that)
Rage rage rage against the dying of the light and all that romanticized horseshit if you like, as I enjoy my bluntz and wine
We will meet again perhaps after all this...on the dark side of the moon.
foot’s speculation is that donny’s legal challenges will overturn the election, and that, with liberals rioting in the streets, he will be able to declare martial law...... increasingly far fetched.
He is also claiming that Dianne Feinstein runs a marijuana cartel that she stole from the Mexicans.
It appears that I have been excluded from participating in Princess’s ongoing philosophy seminar.
The main concern, going forward, will be donny’s continuing grip on his seventy million followers. There remains ample potential for havoc..... scorched earth....... .............
In the meantime, we have the unreasonable effectiveness of the Logos (UEL).......
We suppose that the UEM is a subset of the UEL.
Let’s take gravity as a test case.......
Gravity is the primary ordering principle of the physical aspect of the BPW.
Also, consider that the UEL is, in turn, a subset of a coherence principle.
Gravity is the source of a great deal of natural ordering/coherence.
Any alternative would have to be highly artificial.
Gravity compares with the Metanarrative as a primary source of order.
One could also mention the Darwinian paradigm in this same context.
Yes, we are happy to grant science its own version of the Metanarrative. Just understand that this narrative emerges from the Logos and not from the atoms.
Sure, we can understand the why of gravity and Darwinism, but what about the how?
Yes, how do we save the appearances of Darwin and gravity....... looking at Barfield from the other side?
Gravity is the companion of memory....... nothing would be able to remember its place without gravity keeping it securely anchored.
By a similar token, Darwinism is the logical companion of metabolism..... can’t have one without the other..... you just have to understand which is the horse and which is the cart...... ontologically.
We do not ask the physicists to explain the effectiveness of mathematics.
But there are no phenomena that cannot be explained with the intervention of the psyche...... all the more power to panpsychism.
Panpsychism explains the effectiveness of mathematics..... in a heartbeat.
The coherence theory of Truth is just the manifestation of the cosmic Logos...... of the self-organizing aspect of the I Am.
Don’t get me started on the personal nature of numerology, astrology, alchemy, etc........
And, yes, my goddaughter is definitely misbehaving..... bless her heart.
If we stare into the void long enough, we begin to see our own reflection........ it’s called cosmogenesis.
So, we have the I Am, and a self-organizing coherence.
There is the Abyss. The I Am is like the seed crystal dropped in the supersaturated solution of iron sulfate...... the false vacuum....... Creation is the inflation before time and space.
You journey into deep time as you descend to phantom ranch from the canyon rim.
The geological strata speak to gravity and cosmic ‘memory’.
Is the Gaian memory personal?
1620.........
Is mathematics personal?
What is the relation between mathematics and numerology?
hobbit might be willing to speak to the personal aspect of Gaia.
foot objects that you can’t overturn a stolen election....... what you are doing is stopping the steal.
I do not bother to question the logic of a true believer. Had I done so, I might have asked whether there ever was an election where the losers didn’t think it was stolen.
I recommend....... https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/16/opinion/trump-religion-authoritarianism.html
This column describes foot’s true belief....... we are in the time of Armageddon. It’s time to choose sides...... and pass the ammunition.
foot does not have a religious bone in his body. His religion is the Princess. My goddaughter is not a humanitarian...... to put it mildly. But we can still do lunch ...... bless her heart .
I’m not really a humanitarian, either........ I’m a personitarian..... slight difference.
So, yes, we can descend through logical time as we descend to Phantom ranch...... the Kaibab trail is a time machine...... we descend from the Phenomenal into the Noumenal...... as through a portal.
Back on the surface, we can have the Big Love, or we can have Armageddon.
foot 🦶 says Armageddon..... little chick says Big Love.
Everyone wants to know what the Princess will say.
Hey, if we have a 99% die back, I’ll be God’s Jack Valenti.......
It was said of the passionate LBJ loyalist, that if the President had dropped a hydrogen bomb on a foreign city, Valenti would have called it "urban renewal."
And, yes, the Abyss is a false vacuum...... is a supersaturated solution if iron sulphate...... drop in the Logos Spermatikos/the I Am, and voilà!
What we have here is just a slight re-enactment.
And it’s all just an illusion...... we’re pulling the rabbit out of the ....... if you go chasing rabbits.......
1700.......
Eternity just needed a slight goose ...... in order to spit out the best possible world ....... no biggie......
All us little brots running around...... we would do the rest......
This is an extremely deep dive into the Mandelbrot set, to 2^316 (binary). In decimal that's 1E+95, or 1 with ...
you get the idea.......
Hey, you want Armageddon...... we got that...... you want Big Love ...... we got that, too!
Having contemplated history for few days, Chivo is now certain that history will be endless.
Chivo certainly qualifies as a true believer.
But, not to worry, foot is a true believer, too.
Is little chick not a true believer?
Not really...... I’m just a Logos nerd.
I mean I did use to believe in atoms....... but, now, that just seems silly ........
Buddhism is just a personalism that denies history.
Well, Buddhism is a slightly watered down personalism.
And I don’t believe in persons, because there can only be one person..... the I Am. All the rest of us are illusory...... supporting characters, at best. So, the Buddhists are 99.9% correct about Sunyata/Anatta and all the rest of us....... but, brother, they sure missed the I Am...... the Logos Spermatikos!
Like they say up on Monadnock ....... they viewed the mist, and missed the view.
So, Chivo is right about history being an illusion, but it’s the only illusion we’ve got.
And the Princess ....... she provides me with an illusion to live by, so you’ll just have to eat your heart out, smelly!
Yes, Barfield and Heidegger are on about the same thing.
The decline of the west.
I have what I need.
The traditionalists are jumping with joy.
I really really don’t like these traditionalist and apocalyptic types.
Primordial is key.
We go back to go forward now.
“Heidegger hoped to recover the original sense of ousia or ‘Being’ and so to undo the damage wrought by the bungling absolutist metaphysicians.
The poignancy of Heidegger’s writing is that it bonds tragic resignation with utopian or apocalyptic hope: it both needs and refuses historical and political optimism. The call to put an end to the West’s metaphysical forgetfulness about Being might be an urgent summons to a bold and definitive deed, destined to alter civilisation’s course.
Alternatively, the duty of combating metaphysics and thereby reinvigorating it might be perpetual, reimposed more gravely with each step towards its accomplishment.
Amidst the exuberance of Derrida’s prose, a neat and attractive argument appears, linking the ideas of metaphysics and metaphor.
Derrida follows Aristotle in defining metaphor as ‘giving the thing a name that belongs to something else’ and that, ‘it is easy to see, implies that non-metaphorical language consists in giving things names which are authentically and exclusively their very own.
Furthermore, it seems reasonable to define metaphysicians as seekers after this direct, discrete and self-sufficient non-metaphorical language. But then, according to Derrida, it should be obvious that the idea of non-metaphorical language is incoherent, and hence that metaphysicians have been pursuing a will 0′ the wisp. The idea of non-metaphor is itself framed from metaphors, according to Derrida; and so, metaphysicians, whilst they take themselves to be protecting the purity of unified meaning, are really just refurbishing and recirculating the metaphors out of which the idea of non-metaphorical language is made. The idea of metaphor as a special and defective kind of language is itself, therefore, a product of metaphysics, but one which it must presuppose: metaphor and metaphysics circle round each other in reciprocal antagonism.”
Open Minds Forum v.2 2012 - Current. OMF continues its work on the topics of UFOs, Exopolitics, Extraterrestrial Contact, Conspiracy, Ancient History, Exotic/Cutting-edge Technologies, Cryptozoology, Special Cases, Associated Theories & Philosophies, Whistleblowers, and Sanctioned Communications.
Social bookmarking
Bookmark and share the address of Open Minds Forum on your social bookmarking website
by 
she has an army of two. 
. 
only for the power it was able to project. 
and China 
. 
, and we are bound for glory. 
. 
. 
. 
just wants us to mind our own knitting 🧶. 
...... bless her heart 
. 
out of the 
....... if you go chasing rabbits....... 
...... in order to spit out the best possible world 
........ 
....... they viewed the mist, and missed the view. 
we all know. 
........ 
Buddhist 
, so I know that my ‘own nature’ is Anatta. 
off, everyone would be terribly frightened..... all they would see would be the Abyss! 
. 
» WRATH OF THE GODS/TITANS
» OMF STATE OF THE UNION
» Disclosure - For U by U
» The scariest character in all fiction
» Uanon's Majikal Misery Tour "it's all smiles on the magic school bus"
» What Music Are You Listening To ?
» Livin Your Best Life
» Baudrillardian hauntology - what are some haunting truths to our reality?