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Who's Disclosure is Disclosure?

Sun Apr 14, 2019 2:16 am by Cyrellys

The narrative war is in full swing. When there's a 100 different competing narratives, how is it possible to discern a disclosure?

Is it akin to which truth is Truth?




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    Post by dan Wed Aug 19, 2020 8:29 am

    First topic message reminder :

    Bjc could stand for lots of things.  It’s possible to suppose that it stands Baltimore Junior College.  It’s possible to suppose that c stands for chick, which is short for chicken.  

    Talk about a pink slip, yesterday, puts me in mind of being laid off, which puts me in mind of a retrospective.........

    And a topic header does require at least ten characters.......

    The allotted length for a thread is 40 pages...... giving us a chance to take the occasional breather...... as the show goes on.


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    Post by Foot Mann Mon Nov 09, 2020 10:30 am

    One for the Foot: https://www.military.com/video/guns/rifles/the-20mm-sniper-rifle/2069250593001
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    Post by hobbit Mon Nov 09, 2020 10:34 am




    Americas election is akin to this.


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    Post by dan Mon Nov 09, 2020 11:54 am

    1855z.......

    The Princess has volunteered to be the Queen, and with foot 🦶 and chick 🐥 she has an army of two.  

    foot can have his Anzio 20mm, and I’ll have a bb-gun.


    0350......

    Kidding aside, I’ll have to admit...... that election was too close for comfort.

    Half of America remains aggrieved.  

    Half of America is far from convinced that this is the best possible world 🌎.

    If donald trump was here to teach us a lesson, it hasn’t quite sunk in, yet.

    If donald trump was here to smash our ideals, he has almost succeeded.  

    Many people respected America 🇺🇸 only for the power it was able to project.  

    Otherwise, there was no difference between America 🇺🇸, Russia 🇷🇺 and China 🇨🇳.  

    The little chick 🐥 doesn’t quite see it that way.  

    It is nice to be able to be proud of one’s country, but it is hard to fathom the sentiment of a proud boy.  

    It is the sentiment of a bully boy....... bully boys of the world unite.  

    Just being a person, appears to be no great accomplishment.  

    But what does it mean?

    It means that every one of us is reaching for the cosmic agape..... whatever that is..... no bully boys will stand in the way.  

    We reach for the Omega.  

    The Omega is already within, but we still have a few miles to go before we can sleep.  

    The Kingdom is still in the arrivals lounge.  

    The portals have not been thrown open.

    donny could have been our portal President, but he went ahead and gamed the system.  I don’t recommend it.  

    It could come down to the SCOTUS v POTUS.  I wouldn’t recommend that, either.  

    The United States government is capable of removing trespassers from the White House.  I can vouch for that.  

    The virus 🦠 can also remove trespassers from the White House...... thank you very much.  



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    Post by Big Bunny Love Mon Nov 09, 2020 12:14 pm

    Now, more than ever, I live Philosophy.

    Personal balance is needed now more than ever.

    I shall continue to be a calming force on earth.

    I shall continue to appeal to our best nature.

    All that stuff Dan mentioned is happening, but what is here now, is all of it.

    I shall never pick up arms against another accept in self defense, and then, I'll nail you right between the eyes without a thought.

    Keep calm.
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    Post by GSB Tue Nov 10, 2020 5:46 am

    The Cosmic Coincidence Center (CCC) that donny thought he defunded is now speaking:

    The Number Of Separated Migrant Kids Has Grown To 666

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/danielcassady/2020/11/09/the-number-of-separated-migrant-kids-has-grown-to-666/?sh=38afc1654598

    The number of separated children is actually 666, according to an email obtained by NBC – the higher number includes a group for which the government didn’t originally provide information that could help locate the parents.


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    Post by dan Wed Nov 11, 2020 10:15 am

    1715z........

    Trump’s main path to challenge the election is to have some of the republican state legislatures disregard their own voters and attempt to choose their own electors.

    It is likely that the SCOTUS would then become involved.

    Even with a 6 to 3 majority, the court might not go along.  The Court might refuse to be politicized.  

    It certainly ought to refuse.  


    Be that as it may, I would like to get back to metaphysics........

    Developmental biology poses a strong challenge to biology’s embrace of teleonomy, along with its rejection of teleology, per se.  

    On the other side of that coin is biological senescence.  

    Is that not equally a challenge to immaterialism?  


    1830.........

    hobbit,

    Yes, the aboriginal dreaming is comparable to what Barfield calls original and final participation.  
    ............


    Biological decay is usually seen as a purely entropic process...... and entropic processes are seen as being merely atomic processes.  

    What would a non-atomic explanation of decay even look like?  

    What would a non-atomic explanation of melting or combustion look like?  

    What would a teleological explanation of either of them look like?  

    There are plenty of evolutionary explanations of senescence...... teleology can always piggyback on evolutionary theory..... and vice-versa.  

    Of course, there is the same problem with metabolism.  

    Without decay, there would be no digestion or respiration.

    Presumably, these processes do not occur on the other side, so why do we need them over here?  

    Of course, if time is an illusion then so is mortality.  

    And, yes, there are many arguments in favor of the illusion of mortality.  

    Also, there is only one eternal soul...... the I Am.  

    Well, actually, there is just one soul, in any case..... the appearance of multiple souls being another illusion.  

    But, still, how do we pull off the illusion of mortality, without resorting to the reification of atoms?  

    We might just as well ask how we pull of the illusion of liquid and gas.  

    Atomic theory is essential to most of our understanding of the world.  

    How does atomic theory differ from gravitational theory, in these regards?  

    Physical theories are an essential part of our ecosystem........ the essential noumena to our phenomenal world.  

    This is much the same as the role of z’ = z^2 + C in the Mandelbrot phenomenon.  

    If we could explain gravity teleologically, we would be well on the way to explaining every other physical process.  

    How much overlap is there, between the why and the how of the world?  

    There is phenomenal/mundane gravity, and there is celestial gravity.  It was Newton who realized they could be treated as a single force.  

    Come to think of it, we don’t have a physical theory of gravity, which would necessarily be a quantum theory.  

    What about General Relativity?  

    GR is, basically, a phenomenological theory, with a mathematical infrastructure.  It does not explain how it is that mass is actually able to curve space-time.  We are left with the unreasonable effectiveness of mathematics.  

    As with the Sun, we can simply include gravity as an essential ingredient in our global ecosystem. Its celestial manifestation is how we manage to save the celestial phenomena.

    Why couldn’t we have used Ptolemaic epicycles instead? Well, when we include dark energy and dark matter, etc, we are resorting to a postmodern rendition of epicycles.



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    Post by hobbit Wed Nov 11, 2020 10:55 am

    Dreamtime......
    https://www.aboriginal-art-australia.com/aboriginal-art-library/understanding-aboriginal-dreaming-and-the-dreamtime/


    Watch the hands....contact dreamtime via the hands... the hands are our antennae.

    Their "spirits" are consciousness, and consciousness makes all.

    When I used to ramble on for miles following flows of consciousness , I became attuned and at one with such, akin to been in a river and going with the flow.

    That's what the aborigonals achieve when they wander off into dreamtime, and their art works reveal it, especially to such as myself who can RECOGNISE it.


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    Post by dan Thu Nov 12, 2020 5:47 am

    1250z........

    donny lived by lawyers, and he will die by lawyers.  

    Little chick 🐥 lived by the Logos, and he will die by the Logos.  

    What is the Logos?

    The Logos is best understood as cosmic Agape.  

    It is universal gravitation, along with everything else.  

    Little chick 🐥 has the Logos Spermatikos by the tail.  

    If you wish to understand the LS, all you need to do is understand the brots in the Mandelbrot.  

    Embedded in the Mandelbrot is a metanarrative.  It has an Alpha, but no Omega....... alack, alas.  

    Physicists understand the unreasonable effectiveness of mathematics (UEM).  

    What we don’t quite understand, yet, is the UEL...... the unreasonable effectiveness of the Logos.  

    The UEL is about transpersonal psychology.  

    Poor donny, he just doesn’t grok TP 🧻.  

    donny understands the back door of the Monad...... it has to do with the manipulation of fear.  That will get you so far.  

    After that, all you can do is grab the tail of the LS...... and you are in for a ride....... just ask Chivo.  

    To grab the tail of the Logos, you have to understand the Alpha and Omega.  

    To understand the Alpha and Omega, you have to understand Being.  

    How does a Being differ from a person?  

    A Being is a person who understands the Logos...... they have become a Logos Spermatikos........ in real time.  

    They take to heart the LS.  

    This is the glory train 🚂, and we are bound for glory.  

    Did the jguy understand the Logos?  Well, he came as close as the Metanarrative would allow.  

    We have been searching for the seal of the prophets.  

    This is it.  

    donny is my portent.  

    And foot 🦶 has donny and the Princess 👸.  

    Maybe it’s time for a bit of Disclosure...... of show and tell.  

    A person is mortal...... a Being is immortal.  

    Understand that there is only one immortal Being.  All the rest of us are just the little brots.  

    Grab the tail, and you are glory bound.  

    We come trailing clouds of glory....... and that’s how we will leave...... mission accomplished.  

    Get over it....... get used to it.  


    1430.........

    We are bound for the heart of Being...... holding onto the Logos Spermatikos for dear life.  

    donny may understand this, but he still has to pretend to go down with his ship......... he is the great pretender.  

    The rest of us....... we have Truth by the tail.  

    Yes, donny volunteered to be the last one standing between us and Truth....... he was our last anchor....... keeping our feet on the ground...... barely 😰.  

    It’s time to cut the anchor line....... praise the Lord, and pass the chain cutters.  

    The poor fundies....... they have a death grip on the dead letter, while the living word just floats on by.  

    How can Truth be Eternal and Living, at the same time?  

    This is the primary magic of Being.  

    This is the engine of the Eschaton.  

    To gain Life, you must be willing to put your own life aside..... you must be born again.  

    But, noté bené, being born again is nothing that you can do...... it can only happen....... so be patient....... very patient.......

    When you are able to latch onto Being, you’ll understand how gravity and atoms derive from the ecology of the Logos...... from the UEL.  

    If you understand the Anthropic Principle and the mind-body problem, you already have a glimpse of the UEL.  

    If you take DMT, you will gain insight into the UEL.  

    DMT is a kind of Truth serum.  I wouldn’t advise it, unless you are in dire straits....... if your faith has deserted you...... when logic and proportion have fallen sloppy dead ☠.  

    DMT will lead you to the heart of darkness..... to the edge of the abyss, but only you can jump.  

    Little chick 🐥 just follows the light..... but always keeping the abyss in sight.  


    1610........

    Yes, we are all searching for the heart of gold.  

    It resides in the transpersonal realm.  Every heart is a vector...... along the way.  

    And, noté bené, the transpersonal is the interpersonal on steroids....... it decidedly has nothing to do with anything transhuman, which doesn’t exist, anyhow.  


    2100.......

    I’m not sure that Chivo will be quite so blasé when the lights go out.  

    Princess suggests that we should worry more about Kamala than donny. (And Aliyah will do anything to avoid Disclosure.)  

    My take, politically, is to throw out the rascals we know..... and start fresh...... but there will be no substitute for Disclosure.

    Chivo 🐐 just wants us to mind our own knitting 🧶.  

    Little chick 🐥 is just a bit more curious 🧐...... nosy even.  

    And then there is this....... https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/04/magazine/societal-collapse.html



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    Post by Big Bunny Love Thu Nov 12, 2020 12:16 pm

    Very good Dan.

    Be skeptical of your own understanding most and then you are present being.

    The English language and only knowing one language is a trap and a blessing.

    DMT symbols are the first language maybe.

    The lingua franca.

    Your mind and body, the Rosetta Stone to being.

    Infinite novelty.

    Are we having fun yet?

    Don’t take one word as final though. Taking a fixed position in a fractal guarantees the destruction of your mind and body with prejudice.

    There is no answer, it is the loss of every question.

    We still dialogue and ask each other questions.

    Science busies itself with what this is.

    I am not busy being this.

    Though, we accept this here as a first principle of being, don’t stop fighting until you do.

    This is not knowing, it’s being.

    There is nothing more you need to learn or have for being.

    Just be natural and relaxed and no sweat in the still point.

    Ironically, then you can do your best work, any work that comes your way,
    you can do very well.

    I speak up to let others know it’s possible.

    But I can’t tell them why and no word I say is an answer.

    Ironically, we become more curious about all this, not less, abiding it.

    Why not have some fun while you are are?

    There is absolutely no problem, accept that we see problems.

    I don’t know what this nihilism so many warn about is, that’s just the ego throwing a pity party.

    “I wanna kill myself.”

    Waaaa.

    “Life has no meaning.”

    Waaaa.

    This means what it is.

    Most won’t look too deeply into this and maybe that is best for the story and their own coherence.

    You do not achieve anything.

    The alternative, living in conspiracy, is a terrible nightmare.

    If that’s your thing, have at it, but no thanks.

    That way lies insanity, at the edge.

    Why leave this quiet center?

    I don’t know why I looked into this.

    Do I regret it, never.

    Was it worth losing all the stories about this?

    I gained them all.

    I feel very fortunate, but that is because I was lied to and the truth is no truth.

    And to whom or what does this matter either way?

    This has no worth or risk or reward.

    The only thing we risk is our story.

    The price of entry into life was light and screaming.

    The price of death is silence and darkness.

    Let me say, our story seems important for coherence.

    Does coherence matter in a fractal, is it not self coherent, maybe only as far as supporting something from nothing.

    “Self-similarity properties of fractal structures, including the logarithmic spiral, are related to quantum dissipative dynamics, generalized squeezed coherent states and noncommutative geometry in the plane. ... The global nature of fractals appears to emerge from irreversible coherent local deformation processes.”

    No one needs to hear me, I can’t point to anything.

    I’m useless for muppet work, but now, it doesn’t matter what my work is.

    I’m known as Eric and Chivo both and many other names, I am coherent and incoherent in superposition.

    It doesn’t matter how I resist or accept this, but why fight it?

    I don’t resist this anymore mostly, I hold it, but I don’t hold onto it.

    That’s how you grab the tail, by not grabbing it.

    I didn’t decide to grab the dragon tail.

    I found myself holding it.

    Presence is just being this.

    If you let yourself, you will know bliss and yes, peace, enduring abiding peace, as you have known chaos.

    So to let go is to hold without grasping.

    Hold this.

    Stick it.

    Be here.

    Or not Wink

    But we would miss any we love who leave too soon.

    They mean something, to us.

    Can you love all of it, you can’t as an act love it all, but you can be fully embodied here.

    Here could be called agape, but that is a limit of our minds.

    You don’t have presence or awareness, yuh are presence and awareness.

    This is participating here, get used to it, get over it. (I love when Dan says that)

    Rage rage rage against the dying of the light and all that romanticized horseshit if you like, as I enjoy my bluntz and wine 🍷

    We will meet again perhaps after all this...on the dark side of the moon.

    I’ve always been mad.


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    Post by dan Fri Nov 13, 2020 1:12 pm

    2010z.........

    foot’s speculation is that donny’s legal challenges will overturn the election, and that, with liberals rioting in the streets, he will be able to declare martial law...... increasingly far fetched.  

    He is also claiming that Dianne Feinstein runs a marijuana cartel that she stole from the Mexicans.  

    It appears that I have been excluded from participating in Princess’s ongoing philosophy seminar.  

    The main concern, going forward, will be donny’s continuing grip on his seventy million followers.  There remains ample potential for havoc..... scorched earth.......
    .............


    In the meantime, we have the unreasonable effectiveness of the Logos (UEL).......

    We suppose that the UEM is a subset of the UEL.  

    Let’s take gravity as a test case.......

    Gravity is the primary ordering principle of the physical aspect of the BPW.  

    Also, consider that the UEL is, in turn, a subset of a coherence principle.  

    Gravity is the source of a great deal of natural ordering/coherence.  

    Any alternative would have to be highly artificial.  

    Gravity compares with the Metanarrative as a primary source of order.  

    One could also mention the Darwinian paradigm in this same context.  

    Yes, we are happy to grant science its own version of the Metanarrative.  Just understand that this narrative emerges from the Logos and not from the atoms.  

    Sure, we can understand the why of gravity and Darwinism, but what about the how?

    Yes, how do we save the appearances of Darwin and gravity....... looking at Barfield from the other side?

    Gravity is the companion of memory....... nothing would be able to remember its place without gravity keeping it securely anchored.  

    By a similar token, Darwinism is the logical companion of metabolism..... can’t have one without the other..... you just have to understand which is the horse and which is the cart...... ontologically.  

    We do not ask the physicists to explain the effectiveness of mathematics.  

    But there are no phenomena that cannot be explained with the intervention of the psyche...... all the more power to panpsychism.  

    Panpsychism explains the effectiveness of mathematics..... in a heartbeat.  

    The coherence theory of Truth is just the manifestation of the cosmic Logos...... of the self-organizing aspect of the I Am.  

    Don’t get me started on the personal nature of numerology, astrology, alchemy, etc........

    And, yes, my goddaughter is definitely misbehaving..... bless her heart.  

    If we stare into the void long enough, we begin to see our own reflection........ it’s called cosmogenesis.



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    Post by dan Sat Nov 14, 2020 7:28 am

    So, we have the I Am, and a self-organizing coherence.  

    There is the Abyss.  The I Am is like the seed crystal dropped in the supersaturated solution of iron sulfate...... the false vacuum....... Creation is the inflation before time and space.  

    You journey into deep time as you descend to phantom ranch from the canyon rim.

    The geological strata speak to gravity and cosmic ‘memory’.  

    Is the Gaian memory personal?  


    1620.........

    Is mathematics personal?

    What is the relation between mathematics and numerology?

    hobbit might be willing to speak to the personal aspect of Gaia.



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    Post by dan Mon Nov 16, 2020 7:23 am

    1420z........

    foot objects that you can’t overturn a stolen election....... what you are doing is stopping the steal.  

    I do not bother to question the logic of a true believer.  Had I done so, I might have asked whether there ever was an election where the losers didn’t think it was stolen.  

    I recommend....... https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/16/opinion/trump-religion-authoritarianism.html

    This column describes foot’s true belief....... we are in the time of Armageddon.  It’s time to choose sides...... and pass the ammunition.  

    foot does not have a religious bone in his body.  His religion is the Princess.  My goddaughter is not a humanitarian...... to put it mildly.  But we can still do lunch 🥗...... bless her heart 💗.  

    I’m not really a humanitarian, either........ I’m a personitarian..... slight difference.  


    1600........

    Chivo has posted excerpts of Popper and Heidegger.  I have responded...... https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t338p450-livin-your-best-life#33748


    So, yes, we can descend through logical time as we descend to Phantom ranch...... the Kaibab trail is a time machine...... we descend from the Phenomenal into the Noumenal...... as through a portal.  

    Back on the surface, we can have the Big Love, or we can have Armageddon.  

    foot 🦶 says Armageddon..... little chick 🐥 says Big Love.  

    Everyone wants to know what the Princess 👸 will say.  

    Hey, if we have a 99% die back, I’ll be God’s Jack Valenti.......
    It was said of the passionate LBJ loyalist, that if the President had dropped a hydrogen bomb on a foreign city, Valenti would have called it "urban renewal."

    And, yes, the Abyss is a false vacuum...... is a supersaturated solution if iron sulphate...... drop in the Logos Spermatikos/the I Am, and voilà!  

    What we have here is just a slight re-enactment.  

    And it’s all just an illusion...... we’re pulling the rabbit 🐇 out of the 🎩....... if you go chasing rabbits.......


    1700.......

    Eternity just needed a slight goose 🦆...... in order to spit out the best possible world 🌎....... no biggie......

    All us little brots running around...... we would do the rest......
    This is an extremely deep dive into the Mandelbrot set, to 2^316 (binary). In decimal that's 1E+95, or 1 with ...
    you get the idea.......


    Hey, you want Armageddon...... we got that...... you want Big Love 💗...... we got that, too!  



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    Post by Big Bunny Love Mon Nov 16, 2020 10:31 am

    My guess Dan, their little philosophy circle isn't near this here.

    I think the traditionalists and eschatologists are wrong.

    They come with impure motives would be my guess.

    Foot should have made his religion himself, worshipping another is pure evil.

    You are exaggerating maybe, but maybe not.

    It has to be sought out of love.

    The deepest love.

    When one awakes from the cave, they learn the upward ascent is blocked and they settle with learning how the fire makes the images.

    From my observations of how you describe foot and the princess, they seem very confused to me, very confused.

    Blind leading the blind.

    As Heidegger says, very few will see it now.

    It's transmitted person to person, like dan and I did.

    It can't be taught in a class.

    There is no pill you can take.

    The few will show others.

    I can't go as far as Heraclitus believing we either boot up wisdom and live in logos forever or we become animals.

    He didn't know, no one does.

    I have been able to squeeze a lot of water out of living philosophy.

    I found my love or my love reached me, I don't know.

    You never step into the same river twice, the river nor you are ever the same, Heraclitus sounds like a taoist to me.

    Something big happened 2500 years ago in consciousness.

    Something bigger is surging now.

    Yes, this may just all be the story I am commenting on.

    But this is our story in history.

    Being in Time is just that, we are being in time.

    It's not an entity.

    And if you aren't funny and laughing, your philosophy is shit, total horseshit.

    Those preaching the end are bankrupt.

    Let me just say, not all who wander are lost.

    I know this is the golden thread I have here in my hands.

    I think I will knit some socks and mittens for the long cold night coming.

    The future doesn't belong to those fighting and getting ready to fight, they are already lost.

    You don't have to become what you are.

    You just have to click your heels together 3 times.

    The primordial mind is waving, hi, wave back.
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    Post by dan Mon Nov 16, 2020 3:49 pm

    A short while ago, Chivo 🐐 denied history.  

    Having contemplated history for few days, Chivo is now certain that history will be endless.  

    Chivo certainly qualifies as a true believer.

    But, not to worry, foot is a true believer, too.

    Is little chick not a true believer?  

    Not really...... I’m just a Logos nerd.  

    I mean I did use to believe in atoms....... but, now, that just seems silly 😜........

    Buddhism is just a personalism that denies history.  

    Well, Buddhism is a slightly watered down personalism.  

    And I don’t believe in persons, because there can only be one person..... the I Am.  All the rest of us are illusory...... supporting characters, at best.  So, the Buddhists are 99.9% correct about Sunyata/Anatta and all the rest of us....... but, brother, they sure missed the I Am...... the Logos Spermatikos!  

    Like they say up on Monadnock 🏔....... they viewed the mist, and missed the view.  

    So, Chivo is right about history being an illusion, but it’s the only illusion we’ve got.  

    And the Princess 👸....... she provides me with an illusion to live by, so you’ll just have to eat your heart 💗 out, smelly!



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    Post by Big Bunny Love Mon Nov 16, 2020 11:49 pm

    I am where all ends meet...
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    Post by dan Tue Nov 17, 2020 4:59 am

    Chivo,

    You may know where you are metaphorically, but you may not know where you are, metaphysically.

    You are still missing a dimension or two, but you are headed in the right direction.

    In case anyone is wondering, we appear to be working on a mid-trib sort of scenario.  

    This may be the compromise that the Princess is looking for...... somewhere between Armageddon and the Big Love.



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    Post by Big Bunny Love Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:08 am

    Yes, Barfield and Heidegger are on about the same thing.

    The decline of the west.

    I have what I need.

    The traditionalists are jumping with joy.

    I really really don’t like these traditionalist and apocalyptic types.

    Primordial is key.

    We go back to go forward now.

    “Heidegger hoped to recover the original sense of ousia or ‘Being’ and so to undo the damage wrought by the bungling absolutist metaphysicians.

    The poignancy of Heidegger’s writing is that it bonds tragic resignation with utopian or apocalyptic hope: it both needs and refuses historical and political optimism. The call to put an end to the West’s metaphysical forgetfulness about Being might be an urgent summons to a bold and definitive deed, destined to alter civilisation’s course.

    Alternatively, the duty of combating metaphysics and thereby reinvigorating it might be perpetual, reimposed more gravely with each step towards its accomplishment.

    Amidst the exuberance of Derrida’s prose, a neat and attractive argument appears, linking the ideas of metaphysics and metaphor.

    Derrida follows Aristotle in defining metaphor as ‘giving the thing a name that belongs to something else’ and that, ‘it is easy to see, implies that non-metaphorical language consists in giving things names
    which are authentically and exclusively their very own.

    Furthermore, it seems reasonable to define metaphysicians as seekers after this direct, discrete and self-sufficient non-metaphorical language. But then, according to Derrida, it should be obvious that the idea of non-metaphorical language is incoherent, and hence that metaphysicians have been pursuing a will 0′ the wisp. The idea of non-metaphor is itself framed from metaphors, according to Derrida; and so, metaphysicians, whilst they take themselves to be protecting the purity of unified meaning, are really just refurbishing and recirculating the metaphors out of which the idea of non-metaphorical language is made. The idea of metaphor as a special and defective kind of language is itself, therefore, a product of metaphysics, but one which it must presuppose: metaphor and metaphysics circle round each other in reciprocal antagonism.”
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    Post by dan Tue Nov 17, 2020 4:44 pm

    Chivo,

    Thank you for posting this excerpt on Derrida.  

    I had no idea what I was getting into with the contrast of metaphor vs metaphysics.  

    I do need to respond to Derrida’s great hostility to logocentrism, which he takes to be the core of Western philosophy.  

    While responding to Derrida, I must also pay respect to Buddha’s sunyata.  

    Another phase of Derrida’s is that there is nothing beyond the text or beyond the context.  

    That is one way to deconstruct metaphysics....... and it describes much of Chivo’s work.  

    Again, I have to be sympathetic...... I have to respond...... somehow.  

    As a relationalist, I have to hew to the precarious path between Buddha and Plato.  There is not much room for maneuver.  

    There is no ousia..... there are no essences...... outside of the will of the wisp that is love....... the least substantial of all substances.  

    But is there anything else to command our ultimate allegiance...... any other way to transcend our puny selves?  

    I wonder if Buddha didn’t have agape..... beyond the jguy?  

    I think there might be a smidgen of truth there.  

    They were certainly two sides of a coin.  

    Clearly, Chivo has agape.  

    A doubt that Derrida had a clue about this.  

    However, Derrida had courage, and one might wonder as to its source.  

    Derrida and Buddha point to the Abyss, each in their own way.  

    And when you connect a few dots, you realize that the abyss is the most personal thing there is.  

    At the very least, it is the mirror of Being...... it is also the ground of Being.  

    Like Narcissus, we become mesmerized with the Abyss..... the rapture of the depths.  

    The Abyss....... we can’t live with it..... we can’t live without it.  

    It’s what makes us persons.  

    And, yes, there is that emptiness at the core of our Being.  

    Agape is the only thing that can save us from ourselves.  

    Persons are the offspring of the I Am....... out of the Abyss.



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    Post by Big Bunny Love Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:19 pm

    Not bad.

    You are slippery.

    But so am I.

    It’s funny, the great atheist Christopher Hitchens even admits the truth, he listens to a ghost, his conscience.

    If anything in life points more to love, show me.

    Who taught us this trick of conscience?

    What is the watcher or am I that?

    Being.

    It is right in front of us.

    One word can start a war, just one.

    FIRE!

    And one word can end a war, just one.

    PEACE ✌

    We live in between.

    Life is not just atoms.

    Nietzsche hints at an essence.

    What is that watcher?

    We know what is right and wrong.

    Maybe not if you are a psychopath, then you can wreak havoc on the divided muppets.

    Hitch trusted his conscience unto death.

    It feels like a warm fire 🔥

    This is the fire of Plato’s cave.

    We each know it like ourselves.

    We are projected by the logos.

    Why then, even with a an inner guide, do we doubt love?

    When I know I can do better.

    I am looking back at the watcher.

    I feel the ascent or negating glare.

    What is that thing inside us Socrates knew so well and was like a child before.

    It’s the secret 🤫 🤐 we all know.

    There is a lot of ignorance of being in the world.

    Being is not an entity, it’s tricky, maybe too tricky for me.

    We are being whether we know it or not.

    The world reveals itself to being.

    I feel as Socrates, I can only point, but something in me enjoys seeing others succeed and free themselves from ignorance.

    I am optimistic about being a human being.

    I have to work this out for myself.

    All of us do.

    But what is there to work out, it all ends the same, where all the ends meet.
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    Post by Big Bunny Love Wed Nov 18, 2020 12:16 pm

    Let’s celebrate!

    Let’s celebrate our being here.

    Let’s celebrate how it’s all alright.

    I keep testing the kosmos and hitting the jackpot!

    It keeps blowing the doors off!

    Come on!

    Let’s celebrate!

    Tomorrow it may be all gone, but today, we celebrate 🎉 🎊

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    Post by dan Wed Nov 18, 2020 7:04 pm

    Chivo,

    I’m all for celebrating, but there may still be a few bumps in the road........   

    If donny is not elected on the 14th, the sky will open up on the afternoon of the 25th, and swallow all the liberals.  

    Does this sound like a threat, sports fans?  

    On the other hand, if donny is elected, he will do Disclosure on the 25th.  

    Hmmm 🧐...........

    Sounds like an offer we can’t refuse!  

    Little chick 🐥 did not refuse it.  

    Hey, I’m not here to play cosmic chicken 🐓........

    In the meantime, little chick 🐥 has been invited to join the next meeting of the Princess 👸’s philosophy guild.  

    Ok, if you want to get along, you need to go along.

    There will be a table reading of Doug’s Hypnotta, on or about December 25th........ https://www.hypnotta.com



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    Post by Big Bunny Love Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:21 am

    Dan probably hasn’t realized my little project here on OMF.

    Nothing compares to finding, knowing and loving yourself.

    That includes knowing yourself in history.

    Of course, celebrate that.

    I lived inside out.

    I was sincere.

    Sincerity pierces hypocrisy.

    I practice what Rousseau preached, sincerity.

    And naming this does not negate it.

    Patriotism and wisdom is replaced by sincerity.

    Take the mask off and be your true self which you can only know being alone with your own nature.

    You have to love your true nature.

    Not reason.

    Not theories.

    Not politics or science.

    Not gods or religions.

    Your nature.

    So get to it.

    As far as foot and the princess and Dan go, be sincere, because I know all the lies.

    Nothing will work now but sincerity.

    At the height of our confusion, sincerity!

    I know anything else is just this system of hypocrisy seeking to propagate itself through forced denaturing of human beings.
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    Post by dan Fri Nov 20, 2020 8:52 am

    1600z.......

    Chivo.......
    Take the mask off and be your true self which you can only know being alone with your own nature.
    ...... your own nature.......?  

    That’s a mouthful........

    This doesn’t sound like a good Buddhist speaking.  

    I’m a good 😌 Buddhist ☸, so I know that my ‘own nature’ is Anatta.  

    If I took my mask 🎭 off, everyone would be terribly frightened..... all they would see would be the Abyss!  

    If you take away the phenomenal, all that’s left is the Noumenal.

    Most of us can’t see the Noumenal.  

    I know I can’t....... but sometimes I can work it out with a pencil ✏.


    1640........

    After we get over our fear of the Abyss, we can learn to embrace it...... or so I’ve been told.  

    This is why Buddhism ☸ is actually meta-personal...... transpersonal.  

    Noté bené...... the transpersonal is the opposite of anything Transhuman.

    The transpersonal is just the interpersonal...... on steroids.



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    Post by Big Bunny Love Fri Nov 20, 2020 9:29 am

    There is nothing to see
    Nothing to do
    Just to be
    From there it’s a hop skip and a jump
    Into oblivion
    Enjoy

    Dan thinks there is something to work out.

    How precious.

    Of course, there is nothing to work out.

    Wonderful experience letting go and being after trying to be somebody.

    Now that I don’t seek anything, it all happens.

    I am enjoying watching trumps implosion.

    It is incredible how he did almost exactly what Hitler did.

    When Hitler became chancellor he told his people, you have one job, destroy democracy and he read the paper while he waited.

    They did it in 6 months.

    What Hitler did that trump hasn’t yet, is kill the opposition.

    I don’t care if the orange idiot becomes dictator of new American Nazis.

    It’s all lies.

    All distractions.

    All illusions.

    Then what are we?

    Pustules on the ass of nothing I guess.

    POP

    😎

    Space Jesus says something rebellious is about to be released.

    Yes, in this confusion, let the roach bombs off.

    Humans will believe almost anything but the truth of their own nature, god bless all these idiots.

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