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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    Post by dan Wed Aug 19, 2020 8:29 am

    First topic message reminder :

    Bjc could stand for lots of things.  It’s possible to suppose that it stands Baltimore Junior College.  It’s possible to suppose that c stands for chick, which is short for chicken.  

    Talk about a pink slip, yesterday, puts me in mind of being laid off, which puts me in mind of a retrospective.........

    And a topic header does require at least ten characters.......

    The allotted length for a thread is 40 pages...... giving us a chance to take the occasional breather...... as the show goes on.


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    Post by U Fri Dec 11, 2020 2:14 pm

    painterdoug wrote:Hi Dan and friends,   just checking in and saying hello.  some interesting days we live. Be well and safe into 2021.  

    Thanks Doug! You seem like a cool dude, Dude! I hope to be very well and very safe in 2020, 2021 and far far beyond, same goes to everyone else! I'm looking forward to H Y P N O T T A, I think it will be a blast!

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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri Dec 11, 2020 3:11 pm

    I don't know why Dan doesn't believe me, I canceled Disclosure and the Eschaton, that's all just muppet nonsense.

    Some notable observations from "Waiting for Gadot" review...

    From "Thus Spoke Zarathustra", in the wake of the revelation of the death of God, Zarathustra attempts to bring to the people the teaching of the Overman, but as Zarathustra’s narrative shows, in order to become Overman, man must first overcome himself; only then can he apprehend the vision and solve the riddle of the eternal recurrence.



    "Thus, in either a specifically religious or philosophical sense, Nietzsche claims that the eschaton— the notion of another world besides this one—diminishes and devalues the real and present world of the senses. And those who come to believe in this other world are, he alleges, nihilists in the exact etymological sense of the word: they are believers in the “nothing” of a pseudo-world to come."

    "Godot is the unreachable God; he is death; he is some kind of future utopia; he is the panacea of plentiful food and shelter; he is the suggestion of the triumph of mass unconsciousness and social conformity over individual authenticity."

    What a freedom to be free of the future and God and the tyranny of others' thought, what bliss.

    "Godot is the equivalent of the Platonic/Judeo-Christian eschaton."

    "Secular eschatologies issue into a kind of determined waiting or expectation as to the consummation of history, whether in the form of the resolution of the dialectic in Pure Spirit and the Prussian state or its dissolution in the classless society."

    "Their numbingly repetitive references to Godot are analogous to the final, weary efforts of men who no longer believe in anything significant at all in this world. They are doing nothing other than going through the motions of living in a manner not unlike the “last men” that Nietzsche postulated as the dénouement of the inherent nihilism of the Western eschatological worldview."

    "They cling to a worldview that no longer has any life or vitality or even believability to it. They have not even ventured a beginning movement toward any significant individuality or creativity. Their hopeless stance is a kind of life-denying masochism of the sort that Nietzsche (and perhaps Beckett too) found all too often in Western eschatology."

    "It is logically and psychologically possible to believe in the end-time to come and also live happily in the present world. The key emotion would seem to be that of joy: many Christians, for example, show an apparent joyousness in their lives even though they concede that, metaphysically, this world cannot compare to the one to come. Paul Fiddes points out that the parable in the Gospel of Luke about the watching servants who await their master’s return (Christ) stresses the nature of the Christian parousia, which anticipates a creative and joyous ending of the world for true believers."

    "Because of their stubborn and nihilistic attachment to an idealistic eschaton, the tramps cannot rise to authenticity. That is, they cannot, for example, be tragic heroes in the way Hamlet is, nor can they be Übermenschen in the way that Nietzsche thought of Goethe.20 This is because they lack the requisite depth of character and the singularity of creative and meaningful action."

    "Esse in posse—that is, beings with potential—in the face of an impassible and timeless God, they waste and pine, they ‘shrink and dwindle’; they can have no ‘possy’, no possibilities. They simply decline."

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    "The tramps in particular have been systematically victimized by their habitual allegiance to the Heilsgeschichtliche—or “salvation history”—of Western eschatology. Their devotion to an impossible world to come leaves them spiritually bereft in the here and now. Even though they exhibit pseudo-identification with apparently “important” values, they are nihilists in the sharpest, most Nietzschean sense imaginable precisely because they refuse to (or cannot) leave their bog and each other and engage in the existential project of re-creating themselves and their worlds as singular, meaningful phenomena. In a general way, all existentialists understand authenticity as a singular and lucid attempt to find one’s own deepest values and projects in a way that precludes the deadness of habit and the capitulation to conformistic behavior. In this way, the tramps are paradigms of inauthenticity."

    "It is also apparently not coincidental that Beckett greatly admired the farcical character of Charlie Chaplin, the little metaphysical clown, who made an entire generation poignantly aware of the perils of being-in-the- world. Given Beckett’s assumptions about the collapse or hollowness of Western eschatology, he seems to be suggesting that there is little consolation for humanity other than the companionship of the doomed and the pathos of gallows laughter. Meanwhile, one might suggest, the ethos of Nietzsche’s Übermensch awaits as a different paradigm for being-in-the-world, one that seizes on the nihilism of Vladimir and Estragon as a pre-condition for transcendent creativity, joy, and the transvaluation of Western eschatological values.26 One imagines Goethe and Heine waiting in the wings offstage in contra pose to the sad spectacle of the tramps onstage in Godot."

    Nietzsche was not a nihilist, the deplorables and maybe Dan and Left Foot are, but they can't see it, they are fading away before our eyes.

    You can live like there is nothing beyond death.

    Life is immediately being here.

    This is my choice.

    So smoke em while got em.

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    Post by painterdoug Fri Dec 11, 2020 4:05 pm

    Thanks U Im sure you like the opening line to the Pink Floyd song,

    Hey U....

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    Post by painterdoug Fri Dec 11, 2020 4:08 pm

    And is that the olfactory goat prattling away without saying hey to his old bud painter doug
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri Dec 11, 2020 6:43 pm

    "The last man is the archetypal nihilist, only able to destroy, but unable to build and act upon a self-actualized ethos.

    The last man's first appearance is in "Zarathustra's Prologue." According to Nietzsche, the last man is the goal that modern society and Western civilization have apparently set for themselves. After having unsuccessfully attempted to get the populace to accept the Übermensch as the goal of society, Zarathustra confronts them with a goal so disgusting that he assumes that it will revolt them. Zarathustra fails in this attempt, and instead of repelling and manipulating the populace into pursuing the goal of the Übermensch, the populace take Zarathustra literally and choose the "disgusting" goal of becoming the last men. This decision leaves Zarathustra disheartened and disappointed."

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    Post by dan Sat Dec 12, 2020 8:56 am

    1600z........

    Thank you for checking in, Doug.  

    Doug will be having his first table reading of Hypnotta down at the Palace.  


    foot speculates that Joe will be arrested prior to the Inauguration, in connection with the probe of Hunter.  Little chick 🐥 is unable to grasp what foot 🦶 is getting on about.  


    This might be a time to review personalism.......

    With that in mind, we might start with Nietzsche as a notable personalist.  

    Well, Nietzsche was more of an individualist than personalist...... but he did believe in the unlimited potential of every individual.  

    He was hardly a social Darwinist..... nor did he understand communalism.  

    I certainly agree that eschatology has the potential to divert our attention from the paramount significance of the here and now.  

    However, historically, the prophetic tradition has done much more to focus attention on the present than has the notion of eternal return.  

    The prophetic world is a world in which the transcendental dimension is an essential part of every moment.  

    The little chick 🐥 could easily be standing on the street corner....... Repent...... the End is nigh!  

    I see nothing wrong with the urgency of that sentiment.

    But, you will note that where I stand is not, I think, disturbing the peace of those who choose not to be disturbed 😳.  

    The witness that I bear is only provisional.  

    It is conditioned upon the eventual necessity of Disclosure.  

    I disclose only to the potential disclosers.

    I do not claim to know the best possible time for Disclosure.  

    I do claim a personal right..... even obligation..... to speculate 🧐 on the propinquity of said event.  

    I do not focus on what may come after the Eschaton.  

    Even if the Eschaton may be painful for the few or the many, we may rest assured that our pain will be the best possible amount of pain.  

    I can assure you that the pain will be almost entirely psychological...... the pain of being ripped from our comfort zones.  


    1800.......

    Comfort is often measured in terms of our interpersonal relations.

    Will families and other communal settings be put asunder?  

    Well, with respect to portal phenomena, entanglement reigns supreme.  It’s hard to imagine that families and such would not figure prominently in such entanglement.  


    Globally, we are witnessing a pullback from capitalism and individual rights, into protectionisms and identity politics.  

    Any move away from an ego based consumerism could be viewed as a move toward a final participation.  

    But I have warned against a slide back into tribalism, ie. toward original participation.

    This is the great danger ⚠ of departing from what Barfield termed as beta/ego consciousness.  

    Objectivism is the goal of science.  It is no coincidence that objectivism is also the goal of libertarians.  

    With libertarians, entanglement is encumbrance.  

    We speak of entanglement with regard to portals..... where entanglement is generally regarded as interpersonal.  

    But I have to demur........

    Portal entanglement must include the Source/Telos.  Tribal entanglement, rather, is focused on the mundane.  

    Isn’t being focused on the here and now being focused on the mundane?

    What is the difference between tribal consciousness and the matter of Presence...... being in the Shining Present?

    Original participation is the process of breaking our ties with the Source so as to focus on our sojourn into the wilderness.  

    In that process, we must rely on the immediate care of kin and clan.  

    Final participation, on the other hand, is the reestablishment of those ties....... to a transcendental Telos.  

    That does sound horribly abstract.  Can’t we just use the seat of our pants?  

    But what does one do when one dies...... or is in the thrall of a psychedelic?  

    One follows the light....... whatever that is, it’s not tribalism.  

    How do we prepare for this?  

    One does have to look beyond ego consciousness.  

    What about one’s kith and kin?  

    Well, altruism is in the right direction.  

    A philosophical outlook on life is part of that, but we’re definitely not talking about academic philosophy...... are we?  

    Kith and kin are a necessary springboard for all of that...... preparing to dive into that abyss.  

    To follow the light, one has to be able to let one’s light shine.  

    Do not hide your lamp 🪔 under a basket 🧺.  

    Yes, Virginia, there is a word........ agape.  

    Understand that we have a rendezvous with our common/cosmic destiny...... also our Source....... then we will know ourselves for the first time......
    For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
    ......

    When I was a child, I spoke and thought and reasoned as a child. But when I grew up, I put away childish things.
     Matriculation draws nigh.  



    foot may have contributed to the rise of Donald Trump.  

    I can no longer permit myself to be any party to the Trump phenomenon.  

    Trumpism will, unfortunately, outlive Donald.  

    However, if Ron Pandolfi wishes to speak with me again, he will have to put that episode behind him.

    For Ron, his support of Trump has been more important than any notion of Disclosure.



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    Post by dan Sun Dec 13, 2020 10:13 am

    1710z.........

    Democracy is supposed to be about pluralism, but little chick 🐥 is a monist.

    Why democracy?  

    How is it that we are created equal?  

    Because there is only one soul....... we sapients are all time sharing the one cosmic Soul.  

    I’m a monist about electrons........ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-electron_universe

    Sapience is universal and so is agape...... virtually by definition.  

    If sapience emerged once couldn’t it have emerged twice?  

    Well, I’m suggesting that sapience did not emerge...... that sapience is the ground of Being.  

    Sapience was not the result of survival of the fittest.  

    Sapience/agape is self-grounded...... self-reflexive.  

    This is what Buddhism is all about.  

    Sapience comes equipped with its own abyss...... its own shadow.  

    In other words, as a monist, I have no truck with the notion of fragmentary/partial being...... it’s all or nothing.  

    So, where did all the fragments come from?  

    The thing is that there are no fragments.  

    There is a place for everything and everything has its place...... under the purview of sapience.  

    Mathematics is exhibit A for the ecology of existence..... under the auspices of sapience.  With the mathematical cosmos, the Mandelbrot and the Riemann Hypothesis are each microcosmic, in their own way.  Every number is a microcosm of every other number.   

    And mathematics and agape demonstrate the universality of sapience, like none other.  


    1830........

    To be a universalist, you have to be a monist.  

    foot hasn’t achieved the agape level.  

    Chivo 🐐 is correct that conservatives harbor a great fear of the unknown.  

    We, jesus/goat freaks, know no fear....... everything will turn out for the best, no matter what.  

    foot is afraid 😱 of his own shadow...... especially of his shadow.  

    His fear is in the process of morphing into sedition.  

    He needs a strong man, a  bully boy, as the head of state, in order to pacify the demons of democracy....... to keep his reality from fragmenting.  

    It’s not easy to see the fragmentation as a necessary illusion..... to see the cosmic Being behind every atom.  

    That’s why I studied physics...... all the better to see the 800# gorilla 🦍 behind every atom.  

    But isn’t physics just a random part of a multiverse?  

    No....... not when you understand it as essential to sapio-centric Being.  

    Mortality is an essential feature of any sort of ecology..... besides the mathematical sort.   Death does seem final....... almost eschatological.  

    Why don’t more of us have access to portals..... to see the other side of life?  Is that asking too much?  

    Portals to eternity would be a distraction from the here and now.  

    We are supposed to feel the Presence in the Present.  

    That is the transcendental/spiritual spark that inhabits all of us.  

    But, for too many of us, that spark seems like an alien presence..... pointing to an abyss....... instead of to agape....... it engenders fear.  

    I guess the haunting presence of death is an essential aspect of mortality.  

    That haunting presence imbues every moment of our existence with a gravitas.  What are the words for it.....?

    Non-being is at the core of Being...... it certainly provides a ground......

    Being and non-being are two sides of the same coin.   How can we understand the void without understanding the pleroma?  

    We cannot breathe in, without breathing out...... where would vitality be without growth and decay?  

    It is quite the cosmic trick to be able to have the best possible world..... and be able to eat it, too.  That’s what the Metanarrative is about.  

    The indisputable presence of a portal will be our signpost to Eternity.  It will mark the summit of our existence.  It will arrive exactly on time.  It would be impossible not to.  It is what defines time.  The bluff and bluster of Donald Trump is just its antithesis.  

    This is the Apocalypse/Revelation....... an apocalypse is just an unveiling.  Folks think that all the bluster of Donald will somehow hold the Apocalypse at bay....... as if their donny was a one-man pleroma...... after donny, the deluge...... he shakes his fist 🤜 at the Eschaton.  

    His legions cling desperately to his departing shadow.  



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    Post by Foot Mann Sun Dec 13, 2020 1:58 pm

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    Post by dan Sun Dec 13, 2020 7:02 pm

    The video that Ron posted is by Alexander Cain..... never heard of him.  He has also written a book on the same topic...... Alive After the Fall...... alluding to Bible prophecy to warn about an EMP attack by Russia on the US.  

    He then goes on to provide tips on how to survive such an attack by learning basic survival skills, which include putting flashlights in homemade faraday cages....... and perhaps wrap tinfoil around your car.  

    I’m not looking forward to such an eventuality.  

    Is Ron suggesting that with Trump being friendly with Putin, we would be less likely to experience such an attack than with Biden as President?  

    And if the EMP weapons are unable to reduce the population effectively, he claims to know about more deadly viruses that are being designed.  

    It seems clear that foot 🦶 is not a proponent of the best possible world hypothesis (BPWH).  

    The anticipation of more deadly viruses....... I fail to understand how such a view can be aligned with a radical pro-life stance.  There is a strongly punitive aspect....... somewhere.  

    The possibility of Disclosure is nowhere on this horizon....... and, yet, Painterdoug is to be entertained along his Hypnotta (Broadway) version of Disclosure.  

    I cannot demonstrate, before the fact, that the Disclosure of portals will be just what the doctor ordered for all the world’s ills.  

    Will democracy survive Disclosure?  Quite possibly it won’t, or won’t even be relevant...... one way or the other.  

    Many of our elaborate social rituals are liable to be overwhelmed in the process....... we would not be standing on ceremonies...... electoral or otherwise.  

    Relative to portals, viruses are likely to be seen as a minor shot across our bow.  

    Should we anticipate rioting in the streets?  This seems to be what foot is suggesting....... a zombie apocalypse.  

    I doubt that either a Biden or a Trump would turn this tide..... one way or the other.  Supposing that there might be a police state, would probably be looking at the situation optimistically....... generally, states would be failing.



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    Post by GSB Sun Dec 13, 2020 8:38 pm

    Speaking of portals ... I wonder if Ron had noticed the Star of David formed by lighted triangles and their reflections in "Female President" ... seek and you shall find (whatever it is you are looking for).

    For context:

    Likewise, in the 19th-century Eliphas Levi produced his Great Symbol of Solomon, "The Double Triangle of Solomon, represented by the two Ancients of the Kabbalah; the Macroprosopus and the Microprosopus; the God of Light and the God of Reflections; of mercy and vengeance; the white Jehovah and the black Jehovah."  --  https://www.learnreligions.com/the-hexagram-96041







    In 2016, South Korea saw the start of a massive corruption scandal involving its political and business elite that brought down its first female president Park Geun-hye.

    The scandal, which continues to ripple through South Korean society, generated huge protests.

    It has centred on Park's relationship with an old friend, Choi Soon-sil, and has brought to the surface allegations of cult activities, influence-peddling and leaks of classified information.

    She got to know Choi Tae-min, a pseudo-Christian cult leader dubbed "the Korean Rasputin".

    He became a close family friend and Park's mentor, while also amassing considerable wealth and power.

    Park's father was assassinated in 1979. By this point she was firm friends with Mr Choi's daughter, Choi Soon-sil, who later became her adviser when Park became president.
     -- BBC https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-37971085

    Occult symbolism in the music video released on the anniversary of the start of the Korean war, including the use of King James' font in "GsD" which resembles "GoD" with Crown and Angel Wings ... the use of color (for example baby blue and pink representing male and female, with the "pink umbrellas" representing a female protector and the use of white light to represent the authority of heaven from above (the chandelier above the presidential podium). Note the evolution of female sexuality (represented in yellow and black) into presidential power (the arrival of the presidential limousine). And the final salute in blue representing male allegiance to the female authority.



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    Post by dan Mon Dec 14, 2020 8:52 am

    1600z.........

    Gary,

    Yes, where would the world be without K pop?

    Will girl 👧 power be able to overcome the impending chaos?


    The basic assumption here is that the paradigm of scientific materialism is fading.  

    The electronic/AI revolution still proceeds, but there is a continuing dearth of discoveries in basic science.  

    The last basic discoveries in physics were in 1905.  DNA was the last basic discovery in biology...... its double helix 🧬 structure..... was revealed in 1953.  

    Unless you believe in the technological singularity, including Strong AI, the high tech industry is following the curve of diminishing returns, as already experienced in basic science.  

    The rising tide of technology has been able to support Globalism, for the past many decades..... since WWII.  

    But now we are seeing reversions to nationalism and identity politics.  

    Mass conversion to solar energy could go a long way toward alleviating our resource depletion.  


    1740........

    Solar/pv power production continues to grow exponentially, however it still only comprises 0.06% of the total power production, globally.

    However, one third of Germany’s electric power production is renewable, and still growing rapidly.  But electric power only accounts for about a third of it’s total power consumption.  


    2000..........

    Yes, theoretically, if you add solar and thorium generation, we do not have a resource problem, especially if our population continues to stabilize.  

    But there is a greater problem facing humanity...... we no longer have a vision of the future.  

    We cannot live by bread alone.  

    Utopia has been achieved by a significant portion of the world population.  

    What comes next?  

    Our utopian dreams included our ‘blue sky’ dreams, to a considerable extent....... our destiny lay in conquering outer space.  But that dream only made sense in the context of unlimited technological progress, on a broad front.  

    The human vista was unlimited in both time and space.  

    Now this vista is closing in on us.  

    Whither the human imagination?  

    The obvious answer is that we will turn to inner space.  

    Is there anything there to garner our imagination?  

    On the Buddhist view, all we can hope is a release from striving and suffering.  

    Beyond that release........ maybe there is some kind of enlightenment..... it is rather vague.  


    2140.........

    Does enlightenment imply a transcendental dimension?  

    Previously, I have stated the difference between materialism and immaterialism....... the first is unlimited quantitatively, while the second is unlimited qualitatively.  

    But how can there be no limits?  

    What happens when the transcendental is transcended?  

    In all eternity, has not the transcendental been transcended?  

    The one thing we have too little of is love..... sweet love.  

    Does not agape have its limits?  

    Can we never reach the end of Being?  

    How far can we venture into the Abyss?

    But in all of these cases we are supposing that being and non-being can be objectified.  

    That seems an unlikely...... impossible proposition.  

    How will we know when we’ve reached God?

    When you look around and can’t see anyone else.

    Perhaps that is being half facetious.



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    dan wrote:Gary,

    Yes, where would the world be without K pop?

    Will girl 👧 power be able to overcome the impending chaos?  

    Not yet apparently.
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    Post by dan Tue Dec 15, 2020 12:34 pm

    1930z.......

    The BPWH is based on the ontology of personalism....... the world is an interpersonal construct.  

    A caveat is that there is only one person...... the primordial I Am.  

    All the rest of us are ‘clones’ off of this one person.  

    There is only one soul that we share between us. This is just the logical result of monism, otherwise, one would be an ontological pluralist, which makes no sense cosmologically.  

    No one has asked how I can speak so glibly of the ‘interpersonal’, when there is only one person.  

    Technically, I should speak of the ‘intrapersonal’.

    Poor God is saddled with a massive multiple personality disorder (MPD)....... we being God’s imaginary playmates....... God can play rough....... with a lot of really tough love.  

    This one person cosmology is dependent on there being just one shared abode (the Earth 🌎)...... this is the rationale of the small world hypothesis (SWH).  

    Yes, this is a (very!) radical form of subjective idealism.  

    Space and time are our subjective constructs. The entire BPW/SW/Metanarrative is embedded in Eternity...... space and time being just illusions.  We might call this a cosmic solipsism....... alleviated by the massive MPD.  

    The claim is that ours is the only possible such construct..... so, naturally, it is the best possible.  

    This claim may be based on the simple notions of remote viewing, telepathy, etc....... that mind is only conventionally contained in our skulls.  Matter comes from mind, and not the other way around, as scientific objectivity forces us to posit.  



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    1400z........

    So, then, where did God come from?  

    First of all, there is no God.  

    Well, that’s not completely accurate.......

    All of us little muppets become God in the End...... in a reversal of the cosmic MPD.  

    The I Am is the Alpha&Omega.  

    With the co-dependent arising that is the essence of Eternity, there cannot be an Alpha without an Omega.  The cosmos was bootstrapped from the git go.  

    This is kinda what the Logos Spermatikos is all about..... the mighty oak is contained in the minuscule acorn.  

    Theologians have never been too far off of this mark...... if they would have stuck with their guns.  

    The best possible world (BPW) is rather like the Mandelbrot...... it was there all along...... someone was bound to stumble upon it.  

    But why is the Earth the only possible fractal?  

    Because it’s the simplest....... it eats all the other fractals..... for breakfast 🍳.  

    Yes, Virginia, we muppets constitute all the other fractals...... and, yes, we’ve been gobbled right up....... gobble, gobble!  Get over it 😡, get used to it.  

    So, there is nothing left for us to do....... all problems have come with built-in solutions........ the solution to end all solutions is the Eschaton..... which is really just the Alpha..... as seen from behind.  

    In the meantime, we are faced with political sectarianism.  

    Which is a whole lot better than the religious kind.  

    The reason for the sectarianism is that we don’t know quite what to do with science and technology.  

    There is really only one piece of fake news 📰...... science 🧬.  

    In as much as the liberals make their stand on Science, they will quickly succumb to the quick sand of Darwinism.  

    Doesn’t the little chick 🐥 believe in heredity?  

    Yes, but I just don’t believe in DNA 🧬.  

    I mean, I believe in atoms ⚛...... to the extent of believing in evaporation and condensation.  

    I believe that we, mini brots, come from the mama Brot.  She had quite a little brood...... and it also works the other way, of course.  


    1700.........

    Yes, we, muppets, have the best possible amount of ignorance.

    Political sectarianism is based on that ignorance..... so is the religious variety.  

    This sectarianism is taking us to the brink of chaos.  

    Whatever it will take to pry the liberals loose from their death grip on Scientism.  

    It may take a lot....... to put them down on their knees.  

    It will either take a lot of chaos, or a little bit of Disclosure.  

    Which would you prefer, sports fans?  


    1900..........

    How about this...........?

    Out of the chaos emerged fractals, and the best fractal recruited all the lesser fractals........ and voilà!  

    This recruitment did not come about in real/phenomenal time..... it came about in deep/logical ‘time’.  


    Does donny have a clue?  According to foot, he would have to know the jist.  

    And what does foot do........?  
    I walk the night, oh, without a goal
    Stripped of my heart, my soul
    What now, my love, now that it's over?
    I feel the world closing in on me
    Here comes the stars tumbling around me
    And there's the sky where the sea should be.
    Dedicated to the unknown Trumper.  


    The best possible world is able to subsume the lesser possible worlds.  

    You and I have been so subsumed.  

    If we are fractals, then we each would have a different kernel....... and we’re right back to individual souls.  

    Well, maybe not quite so fast.......

    However the unity of consciousness points to a cosmic mind..... a primordial I Am.   I’m not aware that there exists a mathematical model for the I Am.  


    2200.......

    It should be noted that panpsychism hardly explains that there is a a global present...... and not just islands of Presence.  

    I’m not sure what an island of presence would be.  If two objects collide, don’t they have to be mutually present?  

    Synchronizing our narrative timelines seems to involve more than mere collision...... as when we join our voices in unison, etc......


    0220.........

    Coherence may be closely associated with the notion of unison...... how our various lives fit together into the Metanarrative.  

    The Metanarrative seems to imply the existence of a Metanarrator.  

    Physicists ask why there is something rather than nothing.  

    Before something, there is the possibility of something.  

    If there is the possibility of something, then there is the possibility of the best possible something.  

    If anything is possible, then, under the aegis of Eternity, it is sure to be realized...... and here we are, sports fans.

    And does there exist a second best world?

    Yes, and it has already been subsumed within the best.



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    Does Ron really think Quid Pro Joe will be arrested before inauguration? Im hopeful but have little faith
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    1400z.........

    Snarff,

    The last I heard from foot 🦶 was that there was not going to be an inauguration.  

    All that donny has to do is ask Princess 👸 to open the portals, and then declare martial law.  

    But I’m not holding my breath on that one.  


    1940........

    Yes, as we sojourn into the Endtimes, conspiracy theories will abound.  

    As these theories become coupled with sectarian politics, paranoia will reach dangerous levels.  

    Populists will exploit the situation.  

    Final participation will easily degenerate into original participation, which was, superficially, just identity politics of the tribal sort.  

    The only effective counter measure will be Disclosure.  

    Then we will realize that everything is the result of a cosmic conspiracy....... that is just the BPWH.  

    This is almost the definition of monism.  


    2300........

    To understand any given item, we have to look at it in its widest context.  This is a daunting task.  

    In particular, we have to view things teleologically...... what role does it play in the larger scheme?

    We know that to understand a particular organism, we have to look at it biologically and ecologically.

    Ecology is a form of teleology. It is systems thinking. This is nice, but it doesn’t explain the ontology or ontogeny.



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    1350z........

    Fores,

    I gather that you are referring to our ‘space’ brothers, better known as Visitors.  

    We need pay scant attention to the Visitors.  They are mainly just markers of portals.  

    There is only one Visitor who warrants our attention........ the Princess 👸.  

    She is the one who will determine when to open the portals.  

    She refuses to discuss the BPWH, but she is taking a philosophy seminar, allegedly.  
    ..........


    I was responding to a post by Forespierre, but, evidently, he just erased it....... too bad.  
    ..............


    I’m thinking that we have a fairly good handle on the BPW.......

    We have a handle on God, atoms, the portals and the Metanarrative.

    What more could we want?

    But, now, what are we supposed to do about it?  

    Not that much, really.  

    Mostly just spread the good word...... and, possibly, pray for the Princess to not tarry with her appointed task.  


    1500.........

    Cynics are bound to have a difficult time on the other side.  

    That is the practical takeaway from the BPWH.  

    It may take hundreds of years before the cynics are willing to drop their cynicism, and start looking for the light.  

    After that, everything becomes a slam dunk.  

    Before that, cynics will just be rolling in their own manure..... until they tire of the exercise.   Agape will not come easily.  

    Come to think of it, cynics have a tough time on this side, too.  

    Why did God make so many cynics?  

    Off hand, I suspect that 90% of cynicism is posturing...... but still......

    I spent 6 years pursuing physics...... what was understood to the Source of our world.  

    I came up empty handed...... there was no pot of gold at the end of the physics rainbow 🌈.    

    Well, ten years later, I did find the pot of gold....... it was the Anthropic Principle.  

    You would think that the AP might give some serious pause to the cynics...... but they only see it as a mirage...... as with Gary, they can easily rationalize their way around it....... and continue on with business as usual.  

    Our cynicism is the chain that binds us...... that keeps us down on the farm.  

    God must be a tad cynical, too.  

    She knows that, without her conspiracy of silence, we would fly out of our coop 🐥 much too quickly, without getting sufficient opportunity to appreciate our own Creation.  

    Gradually, though, we are beginning to see our divine hand writing ✍ on the wall.

    Yes, once we let DMT out of the bag 💼, the Cheshire cat 🐈 is soon 🔜 to follow.......
    One pill makes you larger, and one pill makes you small
    And the ones that mother gives you, don't do anything at all
    Go ask Alice, when she's ten feet tall......
    I don’t believe in DMT atoms ⚛, but I sure do believe in that hookah smoking caterpillar 🐛.......


    1800.......  

    There is plenty of room for cynicism in our commercialized culture.

    I’m definitely a cynic when it comes to hyperbole about our technological future.  

    The main pushback relative to our blue sky, utopian dreams comes from environmentalists.  

    Nowhere has this hyperbole been more evident than than in artificial intelligence and in transportation.  

    Let’s put the two together and see what we get.........

    We get the self-driving car.  And the future is already here, according to the Cadillac division of General Motors, but, please, be advised......  you can take your hands off the wheel, just don’t take your eyes off the road.   Hmmm 🤔........

    Frankly, I believe that the automotive engineers have created a veritable paradise....... for lawyers!  

    Just imagine being able sue one of the global auto makers for malfeasance.  

    That’s the future of that technology...... a courtroom mayhem!  

    That is where the rubber will meet the road.  

    An automated call center is one thing........ automated surgery is another thing.  With the call center, you can always hang up the phone.  

    And we have not even spoken of the philosophy of mind.  

    I was not terribly surprised to find that the entry for the philosophy of AI in the SEP just laughed the naysayers right out of court.  After all, Stanford is the mothership of Silicon Valley....... https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/artificial-intelligence/#Futu  


    1940.........

    Speaking of transportation, there was the incident when Joe F, heading for the Cavernas Peruacu, ended up in the Itacambria lockup.  According to Kevin, he was just hotdogging.  I suspect that this may more likely represent the future of transportation than the Cadillac Escalade Supercruise, but little chick 🐥 could be a little bit biased....... besides, sports fans, it will mostly be a one-way ticket 🎫 to the Monad.



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    I am in my 40 days in the desert, but something pulled me to OMF today on my lunch break.

    The smelly goat loves what he does and I am retired from muppet work now, at play in the mind of Nature I guess.

    2020 was the best year of my life.

    Oh, and you don't study Philosophy, you live it!

    When I relaxed and got really good at my work, a new car company came sniffing around, maybe the best of the new electric car companies.

    Just amazing what is going on, we are so clever.

    What is so funny and synchronistic, I now work on the Advanced driver-assistance systems team. I'm helping them move a LOT of sensor data around in the clouds.

    These kids are smart!

    I think back to my Gen X days in the 80s and I could never have imagined I would be helping enable self driving.

    While Dan sits in his coup commenting on the world, the smelly goat is living it.

    Enjoying creation, believe me, God is well pleased to see us thriving.

    Not God as the vulgar muppet sees it, but in ourselves as the living embodiment of love.

    Ram Dass said it very well, when he was done wtih silly ego games, he lived part of all of this with the wonder of a child.

    He's a very good example I feel, bit too religious for me, but still, he stood with himself.

    I don't believe in a soul or a continued existence for a soul.

    I don't believe in god, any truth or any authority or any missions.

    That's just too easy.

    So for me, there are no princesses but the one I live with.  

    If Dan was sincere, he wouldn't speak of anything being dependent on anyone or appearance.

    He would know better.

    There is no prophecy here in this.

    It is such a joke to see all the pontificators with no awareness of being.

    Oh, you found a message and you are the One to deliver it to the world, bahahaha, check yourself into a Zen monastery, you won't be thinking that later.

    Utter bullshitz.

    Bash yourself in the head with your stick until such silliness is silent.

    If you haven't done this, I don't have any respect for you.

    No Brothers or visitors matter.

    The future doesn't matter.

    This is all it could be.

    Make it count today, leave nothing left to be done, relax and you will have a fine life.

    I don't believe in atoms either.

    I am the smoking caterpillar.

    Back to the desert...funny, I'm not thirsty or moving, I am just sitting under this tree.

    The shade is lovely.
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    Chivo,

    So what is your assessment of autonomous vehicle technology?

    Is it going to end up in the courts...... being lawyered to death?
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    Automation will completely take over our lives over the next 100 years and the tech is so good, it's a 1000 times better than humans now.

    I don't think you quite get how fewer accidents will happen just with better assisted driving, this is the reality that will get us over the hump.

    Assisted driving will get us to full automated driving.

    The legal stuff won't be a problem, all the time on our hands will be.

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    Long slept Zarathustra; and not only the rosy dawn passed over his head, but also the morning. At last, however, his eyes opened, and amazedly he gazed into the forest and the stillness, amazedly he gazed into himself. Then he arose quickly, like a seafarer who all at once seeth the land; and he shouted for joy: for he saw a new truth. And he spake thus to his heart:

    A light hath dawned upon me: I need companions—living ones; not dead companions and corpses, which I carry with me where I will.

    But I need living companions, who will follow me because they want to follow themselves—and to the place where I will.

    A light hath dawned upon me. Not to the people is Zarathustra to speak, but to companions! Zarathustra shall not be the herd’s herdsman and hound!

    To allure many from the herd—for that purpose have I come. The people and the herd must be angry with me: a robber shall Zarathustra be called by the herdsmen.

    Herdsmen, I say, but they call themselves the good and just. Herdsmen, I say, but they call themselves the believers in the orthodox belief.

    Behold the good and just! Whom do they hate most? Him who breaketh up their tables of values, the breaker, the lawbreaker:—he, however, is the creator.

    Behold the believers of all beliefs! Whom do they hate most? Him who breaketh up their tables of values, the breaker, the law-breaker—he, however, is the creator.

    Companions, the creator seeketh, not corpses—and not herds or believers either. Fellow-creators the creator seeketh—those who grave new values on new tables.

    Companions, the creator seeketh, and fellow-reapers: for everything is ripe for the harvest with him. But he lacketh the hundred sickles: so he plucketh the ears of corn and is vexed.

    Companions, the creator seeketh, and such as know how to whet their sickles. Destroyers, will they be called, and despisers of good and evil. But they are the reapers and rejoicers.

    Fellow-creators, Zarathustra seeketh; fellow-reapers and fellow-rejoicers, Zarathustra seeketh: what hath he to do with herds and herdsmen and corpses!

    And thou, my first companion, rest in peace! Well have I buried thee in thy hollow tree; well have I hid thee from the wolves.

    But I part from thee; the time hath arrived. ‘Twixt rosy dawn and rosy dawn there came unto me a new truth.

    I am not to be a herdsman, I am not to be a grave-digger. Not any more will I discourse unto the people; for the last time have I spoken unto the dead.

    With the creators, the reapers, and the rejoicers will I associate: the rainbow will I show them, and all the stairs to the Superman.

    To the lone-dwellers will I sing my song, and to the twain-dwellers; and unto him who hath still ears for the unheard, will I make the heart heavy with my happiness.

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    AV driving is maybe up to 100x better than humans now in some scenarios now.

    The overall integration and data flow management is where we are needing to improve.

    We will get there soon.

    “According to the most optimistic estimates — including McKinsey's 2015 report — the widespread adoption of self-driving cars could reduce traffic accidents by as much as 90 percent, since they largely take driver error out of the equation.”

    https://www.eetimes.com/av-software-driver-vs-human-driver/
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    Post by dan Fri Dec 18, 2020 3:37 pm

    Chivo,

    I’m not talking about the people buying the technology, I’m talking about the companies making it.  

    Those companies will own every accident.  

    Thank you....... but no thank you.  


    Zoroaster was an influential character.

    Free will only makes sense with the independence of good and evil.  

    The independence of good and evil makes no sense, either.  

    This independence renders the whole world chaotic.  



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    I’m not going to argue with a chicken.

    I’m saying the tech is so good, we won’t have to worry much bout liability.

    The whole insurance and legal game will change.

    Of course good and evil can be transcended, but we tend towards love.

    The world has a good dose of chaos, seen in the ignorant.

    Everything I say is redundant and self evident.

    No argument is needed pro or con on any topic.

    Back to the desert 🐪...
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    Post by dan Sat Dec 19, 2020 1:51 pm

    2050z........

    Chivo thumbs his nose at the rest of the world, as surfs the tail end of the technology wave that is already beginning to crash ashore.  

    He is riding the wave of history, while loudly denying the reality of history.  

    Chivo speaketh with forked tongue 🐍.  

    Otherwise, in his cosmic solipsism.......
    A winter's day
    In a deep and dark December
    I am alone
    Gazing from my window to the streets below
    On a freshly fallen silent shroud of snow
    I am a rock
    I am an island......

    In the Endtimes........ denial will become the favorite pastime.  


    There are ways to secure elections 🗳....... before the fact.  

    After the fact..... what you see is what you get...... crocodile tears 😭 don’t count.  


    Yes, the deep State does conspire around elections.  

    What is the deep state?  

    The deep State resides on the other side.  

    The deep State will become increasingly visible...... in the Endtimes.  

    The deep state is simply the mundane aspect of the Monad.  

    All paths will lead to the Deep state.  

    The Monad is the sum total of all conspiracies ever imagined.  

    The Monad is the Mother of coherence.  

    Every evil ever committed is an integral part of the best possible world.  

    Does this mean that evil doers will not be punished?  

    Evil doers, just like the rest of us, will receive their just desserts 🧁.  

    Almost all evil is committed out of ignorance and fear.  

    The only thing that will overcome ignorance and fear is Truth.  

    In as much as you are reading these words and are not evangelizing Truth, you will be judged as luke warm....... God will spit you out.  

    Can you plead ignorance before the law...... before God?  

    I would not recommend it.


    2240.........

    And if you don’t think that the BPWH is the Truth, please feel free to put forward your favored alternatives.  


    0330.........

    Yes, referring to Chivo’s post below, most academic philosophers, today, have to agree that there is no Truth.  

    If there were such a thing as Truth, it would be the end of modern philosophy.  

    Modern philosophy recognizes only facts........ the cat is on the mat, etc.    

    It also recognizes theories........ the Theory of Evolution, the Big Bang theory, etc.......as organizers of various sets of facts.  

    Academic philosophers are not going to confront science.  They are not about to get into a pissing match with science over scientific facts.

    But the academics.... the intellectuals..... generally support pluralism..... different people giving different priorities to different sets of facts.  



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    That’s right ole fart.

    Kowabunga 🏄

    🐪 🦁 🐉 👶

    “Behold the good and just! Whom do they hate most? The man who breaks their tables of values, the breaker, the lawbreaker:- yet he is the creator.”

    There is no truth, no theory provable.

    There is just the simulated world our brain presents, the universe is chaos and we have not the organ to perceive it. Deep state indeed.

    I was naturally selected to be here, this is monumental history, who am I to argue?

    Beware truthsayers, with their forked tongues.

    “Let us beware of thinking that the world is a living being," he says. But also, "let us beware of saying that there are laws in nature. There are only necessities."

    “Thus, the strength of knowledge does not depend on its degree of truth [as we suppose] but on its age, on the degree to which it has been incorporated, on its character as a condition of life."

    “A thinker is now that being in whom the impulse for truth and those life-preserving errors clash for their first fight, after the impulse for truth has proved to be also a life-preserving power. Compared to the significance of this fight, everything else is a matter of indifference: the ultimate question about the conditions of life has been posed here, and we confront the first attempt to answer this question by experiment. To what extent can truth endure incorporation? That is the question; that is the experiment."

    “We have arranged for ourselves a world in which we can live --- by positing bodies, lines, planes, causes and effects, motion and rest, form and content; without these articles of faith nobody now could endure life. But that does not prove them. Life is no argument. The conditions of life might include error."

    The chicken is no match for the goat, old ideas, crusty prophecies, and a fear of the Maelstrom.

    Truth?

    That word is meaningless.

    “Not only is god dead, but we have killed god ourselves. The death of god is a product of our own thinking, of our rationalizations, our social and political relations with each other, even though it may take us a long time (still to come) before we actually see the scope and impact of our thinking.”

    “The Christian resolve to find the world ugly and bad has made the world ugly and bad. The founder of Christianity thought that there was nothing of which men suffered more than their sins. That was his error --- the error of one who felt that he was without sin and who lacked first hand experience. Christ died too early to be a mature prophet.”

    “I myself have “slain god and, thus, written the most tragic of tragedies. Having killed all gods in the fourth act, how will he end it? Perhaps a comedy! Those that know they are profound strive for clarity. Those who would like to seem profound to the crowd strive for obscurity."

    “What we do is never understood but always only praised or censured." In other words, we are always eager to evaluate or judge and leave real understanding behind. "What are man's truths ultimately? Merely his irrefutable errors. In what do you believe? -- In this, that the weights of all things must be determined anew. You shall become the person you are" What more could one say! And the final three all deal with the emergence from Christian "original sin" and the feeling of shame. Humans should live in joy, not shame.”

    You are what you are.

    You will be what you can be.

    You were selected to be here.

    He was right about leaving shame behind.

    The BPW is your crutch.

    Get up and walk, you are not lame.

    Say YES to life.

    Hitler was a failed attempt, a half abortion.

    We will fly.

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