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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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    Post by dan Wed Apr 29, 2020 3:14 am

    First topic message reminder :

    I’m attempting to start a new thread 🧵.......

    The previous attempt.....  the ‘Bj-Gz’ thread.... can no longer be posted to, for some unknown reason...... only the existing posts can be edited.

    Perhaps this was a cosmic glitch...... called stop 🛑 the press.... while we consider the following possible flaw in the BPWH......


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    Post by dan Fri Jun 26, 2020 10:01 am

    Gary,

    I tend to agree that nothing is not really possible.  

    And, if there’s going to be something, the mental something has logical priority.  

    And, with the mental, coherence has all the ‘statistical’ weight.  

    The best possible God is the minimal God, who hardly had a choice in the matter.

    So where does love come into this?  Where does will come in?  

    One may postulate that, once we let a self in the door, that self will come equipped with a will to survive....... virtually by definition.  

    Call it self love, if you will.  

    To go any further, we need only observe Maslow’s hierarchy of needs.......

    There are five levels....... the first four are quasi instinctual..... they come along with sentience, at the most.

    But what is this self actualization?



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri Jun 26, 2020 11:02 am

    Logic and reason are good tools and are needed to make the best world.

    But intellect is not the point.

    Only the step behind logic and rationality into the absurd provides your chance to shift your perspective beyond your personal narrative.

    You simply won’t ever truly know until you let go.

    Mind is deceptive by nature.

    The great filter.
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    Post by dan Fri Jun 26, 2020 11:08 am

    Chivo,

    I can readily agree that, when it comes to love, the intellect is only a minor, supporting actor.  

    But all this deception stuff...... I don’t really understand where you are getting off with all of that.

    For instance, is the Monad a deception?  

    Yes, relative to the Monad, everything else is a deception.  

    That’s one way to look at the world...... that’s the Buddhist way...... the glass being half empty.  

    But, then, we could look at the world as just a warmup act...... just the fore play....... for the inevitable consummation of our marriage to the Monad.  

    Being able to see this is the ultimate point of Coherence.  

    Being able to see this coherence is the ultimate in art 🖼 appreciation for us, art lovers.  Tell chick 🐥 that he’s wrong.  

    Observing dump scavengers in Calcutta might not seem like fine art, but, if we did it right, we might learn a thing or two....... and don’t knock it if you haven’t tried it.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri Jun 26, 2020 12:17 pm

    Where do I get off?

    I make my own way, I don't get anything from anywhere.

    It is obvious if you are honest with yourself and look into your nature.

    Where do you get off?

    We all have our opinion and here we spin.

    There is no correct answer.

    You do what you got to do and I'll do me.

    Your world narrative certainly isn't mine, it's all yours big daddy.

    And to the transpersonal part of being, no doubts, been there, am there. You have proven, your mind prevents you from connecting with it.

    Too bad.

    Fake it til you make it.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri Jun 26, 2020 3:06 pm

    Diogenes the Cynic, one of my fathers.

    "I am Diogenes the Cynic, called a dog because I fawn on those who give me anything, I yelp at those who refuse, and I set my teeth in rascals."

    As the great Diogenes, I am also looking for human beings. My name is smelly, smelly goat, nice to meet you.

    I don’t think Dan knows many Human Beings or how to converse with them.

    I’ve only met 1 or 2, the rest of you are simply muppets.

    Dan isn’t smelly.

    You have to walk the slums to know me.
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    Post by dan Fri Jun 26, 2020 4:53 pm

    Chivo 🐐........  makes his own way..... now there is one deluded billy goat.  

    I suggest that he take Ecology 101, wherein he might lean that life is a team sport.  

    The reason why we are here is to participate in the love life of the Monad.  

    As we saw, the love life of the Monad started on a slippery footing.  

    But..... spoiler alert 🚨...... it will end with the Big Love....... according to the Metanarrative, anyway.  

    Surely, love has its own reasons, 90% of which are below the surface.  

    So, yes, I do worry inordinately about the 10% that is accessible to the Logos..... narrative..... that can be verbalized.  

    But I’m sure glad to have someone along who can hold my hand..... both is the real world, and in the transpersonal dimension.  Is chick 🐥 ever lucky 🍀.

    By the way, do keep in mind, that the word ‘transpersonal’ is an oxymoron........ personhood being transcendental..... virtually by definition.

    Is Donald Trump transcendental? Yes, but just don’t tell him that...... he might have a stroke.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri Jun 26, 2020 5:59 pm

    I am called a dog because
    I fawn on those who give me anything,
    I yelp at those who refuse,
    and I set my teeth in rascals.

    **WOOF WOOF**

    I only work with Human Beings, as they are the only ones you can trust, the rest may live their muppet lives as they like and die the sheep that they are.

    If they have not the courage to know thyself or the vision to see and hear clearly, nothing I can do for them or say to them matters.

    You are a good example of this Wink
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    Post by Foot Mann Fri Jun 26, 2020 10:01 pm

    Preparations for the Chicken Brief begin now! Guests begin to arrive in 10 hours.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Fri Jun 26, 2020 10:10 pm

    Something I am learning, when the chips are down, I mean just terrible odds...

    GO ALL IN BABY!!!

    I hope his head melts and his heart explodes with flowers 🌸 💐 🌺
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    Post by dan Sat Jun 27, 2020 6:40 am

    1240z..........

    Have we been here before, sports 🏀 fans 💗?

    Maybe yes...... maybe no.  


    1530.........

    So far, stuff seems on the up and up.  

    There will be nothing definite for another few days, regardless.  


    1910.......

    Chivo is now so big on knowing thyself....... it wasn’t that many moons ago that that Chivo was in denial of the self.  

    Is this progress?  I’m not so sure.  

    chick’s 🐥 radical disagreement with Chivo 🐐 is that we cannot know the self, just by our lonesome.  

    There is only one self, and we can only get there by triangulation on our 10^10 persons.  

    Does this mean that we could not sit down and have a beer 🍺 with the cosmic self?  

    No, it does not.  The jguy came here mainly just to make that point.  

    All the rest of it was pretty much just so much window dressing.  

    Vicarious atonement.........?  Yah, stuff like like that.  

    This is what personalism is all about, sports 🏀 fans 💗..... ain’t the 🍺 cold!  



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    Post by Foot Mann Sat Jun 27, 2020 4:58 pm

    Guests have arrived including both Ambassadors. They all entered without opening doors. Some are working with the Moors. Cheese all around, and Odyssey of Floors.
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    Post by dan Sat Jun 27, 2020 5:14 pm

    In other words, everything is nominal.
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    Post by Foot Mann Sat Jun 27, 2020 8:17 pm

    Briefings having been completed. Visitors have been seated. Time and space have been cheated. Advocations for the chicken have been defeated. Proposed disclosure has been defeated. Something unexpected was secreted.
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    Post by dan Sat Jun 27, 2020 9:17 pm

    That was quick.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sat Jun 27, 2020 9:52 pm

    Just another day in paradise...

    Ignorance is bliss.


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    Post by dan Sun Jun 28, 2020 8:16 am

    1420z.........

    I wonder who it is who believes they have defeated Disclosure.  

    Perhaps they believe that they have also defeated the best possible world.  

    I guess that’s possible, but unlikely, certainly in my estimation.  

    The BPW will necessarily entail the Mother of All Paradigm Shifts.  

    But the MoAPS does not necessarily entail any particular means of disclosure.  

    I have spoken frequently of the benefit of a word of mouth Disclosure (WoM/MoAPS).   

    It has been noted that consistently foot has adopted a political posture with regard to any Disclosure process, while I have attempted to be neutral.  

    In as much as laissez faire, libertarian conservatism aligns with social Darwinism, I necessarily take strong exception.  

    After Disclosure, society will tend towards communalism, away from capitalism...... as we head for the Omega.  

    But, in the meantime, any political utopian schemes are very liable to be ill-founded.  

    Communalism will arise spontaneously, in as much as we can envision this historical flow toward the Omega.  

    This is where we will have to be able to articulate the Telos..... the Source, and understand human history within that context.  

    This is the essence of the best possible world.  

    Exactly how this understanding (MoAPS) comes about is a moot point.  

    It will be dramatic, when viewed in retrospect, but the prospect could be much less so.  


    1540..........

    Whatever needs to come out will do so, in its own sweet time.  

    There should be no need to force it.  

    The coronavirus has been a shot across our bow.  

    The message will sink in.  

    On the margins of academia, philosophical speculation continues to expand.

    Transpersonal psychology will meld into ontological personalism.

    The small world hypothesis will not be far behind.



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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Jun 28, 2020 9:48 am

    You can only defeat yourself and then it’s only a detente.

    Anyone who thinks they control anything in the world is a very funny muppet.

    The appropriate response is to grin and back away.


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    Post by Foot Mann Sun Jun 28, 2020 10:27 am

    One small voice was Heard. Advocating for the Turd. To him alone she will speak the Word. Father of God the Chicken inferred.
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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Jun 28, 2020 10:28 am

    “There is nothing either good or bad," Hamlet tells his old childhood buddies in Shakespeare's play, "but thinking makes it so."
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    Post by dan Sun Jun 28, 2020 10:59 am

    Any time that foot wishes to engage, I will be there.  That’s what I do.

    ..... and after the earthquake a fire, but the Lord was not in the fire; and after the fire a still small voice.




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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Jun 28, 2020 1:43 pm

    The still small voice says everyone relax and smoke a J.

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    Post by Foot Mann Sun Jun 28, 2020 4:52 pm

    The Foot prefers to remain disengaged, yet the Chicken remains the Discloser. Dishonest, disruptive, a disgrace to his role, yet the Chicken remains the Discloser. Ambassadors advised that the Chicken resign, but the boots stay on the Discloser. A small voice calls him the Father of God, and ensures that the Chicken remains the Discloser.
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    Post by dan Sun Jun 28, 2020 5:08 pm

    Who will ever forgive chick 🐥 for not resigning long ago, or for grabbing onto mission impossible, in the first place?    

    We all have our stubborn streaks.  

    Were I not so ill-suited to the task, someone might actually have taken me seriously, God forbid.  

    But, until my boots are yanked off, chick 🐥 must be the best possible wannabe discloser.  




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    Post by Post Eschaton Punk Sun Jun 28, 2020 5:43 pm

    I think you should ALL resign.

    God says to the smelly goat you all suck at this Wink

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    Post by dan Mon Jun 29, 2020 6:47 am

    The gummint has a choice here........ they can be behind the curve or ahead of the curve.  

    The Navy has been making some attempt to get ahead of the curve.  

    The acronymous agency may not appreciate the competition.  

    chick 🐥 says...... if it’s a big world, it’s all up for grabs..... every last grain of sand...... but, if it’s a small world, it’s already been written in the stars ✨, despite all appearances to the contrary.  



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