Notes from the bus - 2a

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Yes open eyes of course. Standouts though tend to have very ignominious ends.

It’s as been said many times here, what else can we do but be.

Anything else would have to be a lie. Well self delusion anyway. No way to reach infinity and beyond.

Standout or nobody, not better or worse.

It is what it is.

Because we are near the end of the curve possibly, things are gonna get surreal.

We gonna party.

Nothing needs to be saved.

We exist in eternity.

This can lead to total relaxation if fully comprehended.

Imagine all our stories as the child gods throwing tantrums being stuck down here.

They have made the best possible mess of a curve.

This monad, the virtual game world.

It is obviously a wisdom machine.

This machine doesn't just tell you answers, it shows you how to love wisdom.

The wisdom or harmony inherent in the virtual world is the treasure.

Wisdom is an act of love.

It is the love of quality.

Being a metaphysician may be one of the best gigs around at the end of time.

It takes total commitment and focus.

For me, this is part of why I am alive, each of us has a part of it.

It can't be taken away, it was a gift, with a catch.

Can you claim and inhabit what you are?

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Metaphysician as philosopher

In academic circles, a metaphysician is a philosopher whose area of study or expertise is metaphysics: the study of the fundamental nature of reality and existence itself. ‘Meta-‘ means beyond or transcending; so meta-physical means that which lies beyond, underlies or transcends the physical realm/world/reality. So if physics (in addition chemistry, biology, etc.) is the study of the physical world, concerned with discovering and describing the properties and interactions of physical objects (which now explicitly includes energy, hooray!), meta-physics is concerned with discovering and describing the principles that make these objects, properties, interactions and principles possible in the first place. These are the laws and principles that make the laws and principles that science describes and discovers possible and coherent. (This is why we could equally flip the elements of the image directly above, placing ‘Science’ and ‘Physics’ on top with arrows pointing downward to ‘Ultimate Beliefs’ and ‘Metaphysics’.)

Metaphysicians tackle – or, okay, let’s be fair, attempt to tackle – questions that lie beyond or behind those capable of being tackled by the physical sciences. For this reason – and not because it is unscientific – metaphysics is a branch of philosophy and not science. In fact, it is a meta-science (at its best, anyway): a scientific description of the laws and principles that make the physical sciences possible and coherent in the first place.

Here are some examples of the areas that metaphysics deals with. (The academic name of the particular area is in italics, followed by some examples of the kinds of questions it deals with.)

Ontology: What is there? What exists? What is it like?

Epistemology: What is knowledge? What is truth? How do we know anything at all? Do we know anything, really? Does the world/reality exist independently of our knowledge of it?

Philosophy of Mind: What is the exact nature of the interaction between mind (mental phenomena) and body (physical phenomena)? What is consciousness? How can we come to have knowledge of minds other than our own?

Other areas of study and interest include: time, free will, meaning and value, causation, universals and particulars, substance, and appearance vs. reality."

Are you picking up what I’m putting down?

If you’re feeling that a lot of these questions are either absurdly simple and/or stupid, or ridiculously weighty and/or profound – or, even better, both – then … you’re hot like fire.

This is lit!

"Metaphysician as physician

Outside modern Western academic halls, there exists an older and more esoteric conception of the word as a meta-physician. This is a kind of doctor/healer who effects change in the physical world by effecting, changing, and tampering with what is meta-, or beyond or underlying it. In other words, the metaphysician works with metaphysical laws and principles – not first and foremost with the everyday physical ones. It is because the meta- or more fundamental level of the physical is itself non-physical (sub- and supra- physical), that metaphysicians can and do effect healing and change in the physical by working with what is non-physical.

In working with the principles and powers and ‘things’ in the realm where matter and what is beyond matter meet that we are definitely putting a toe, or maybe a whole leg, down the rabbit-hole. That is, from the perspective of everyday life. Finding any value in this kind of work definitely involves a perspective that is different from the first-person every day experience of our ego. It involves, for example: the psyche, the mind, symbolic language, quantum mechanics, and the clear understanding that where the direction of the mind-body connection is not equal – it is most definitely weighted in the direction of mind to body, not body to mind.

The result of metaphysical work may look, at one far end of the spectrum, like magic and miracle, and, at the other, like placebo or coincidence – and everything in between. Clearly the most important thing is that it works.

In brief, a metaphysician is either a philosopher whose area of expertise is the study of the fundamental nature of reality and existence and/or, more esoterically, a practicing healer/adviser that changes physical reality by working with the principles and powers and ‘things’ that underlie it, and especially the mind or psyche."

I am a little of both of these, nice to meet you. I entered this field from the intuitive esoteric side.

I am sharing this as a primer to deeper discussion for any willing to engage.

My shop is open for business.

For now, I'm working with Dan, but I am open to use my metaphysical skills in any endeavor that comes my way.

If I can be of service, you have but to ask, but really, the best thing you can do, is to do for yourself.

It's easier to be a physics or calculator type, but it is a true test of your whole being to work at the metaphysical level.

Dummies and ideologues need not apply.

If you have a point, write a book maybe or not.

This is where the Wizards and Dragons do battle, but they really are the same thing.

Funny how the reality of these times has brought things into such sharp focus.

The thing that got me into total relaxation mode was when they started push people 65+ with corv 19 into corners in Italy and Spain and fed them morphine till they die. “ the tough decisions” Does anyone want to bet against the probability that they are doing the same thing to the less well healed in NY.

From my POV as a CAB member at a teaching hospital. This has been fubar a real CF.
I’m ready to level up and I’m not talking about I’d like to see it in this iteration.

Smelly wrote: Standout or nobody, not better or worse.

I do understand what you’re saying.

Here’s a little thought game.
‘ you are in a jungle somewhere in Southeast Asia, you are a member of a search and destroy team out setting up ambushes on a known transportation trail...
Suddenly you find yourself in the middle of a major troop movement and you have to blend in for four days of non stop troop movements...

Just a thought game, a different perspective.🤫‍�

There is a time to be quiet and watch and a time to pop ones head up and get some intelligence.

A time to whisper and a time to yell.

You will know when to do what by accident or intention or practice.

Now or never here

For me, I feel this is the moment I have been feeling.

I'm speaking of my own motivation.

I trust that others are doing what they should be and if not, will be brought into line soon enough.

I know that from the underlying harmony.

So we can relax into this, but stay alert.

We will each act when we should.

One accepts this or doesn't.

One sees the world full of evil or just what it should be.

If you accept it as it is, you have to take the whole thing, but you don't have to do everything.

Studying monads is helpful to understand this.

I'm a software dev, this is how I understand it basically.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monad_(functional_programming)

Functional programming is the step beyond object oriented programming.

Big clues to being in engineering best practices distilled for 50 years of software development by humanity.

A human can be seen as a collection of monads.

Each monad has its own script and is sufficient unto itself.

It has all it needs.

These concepts lead to much deeper relaxation.

You already have it all, let the patterns emerge.

You will do what you should.

Doesn't mean you will be good.

wk,

Shamans do tend to standout, and so, in earlier days, they had to live beyond the pale.

In modern times we can simply be ignored...... as long as we’re not perceived as threats.

We make a show to scare away evil and invite good or we can invite evil too.

A true shaman is not a good or bad person.

They just do what they do.

Just a kind of monad, a kind of pattern.

A metaphysician.

If one fights their patterns, they will destabilize and spin out of control.

But maybe spinning out of control was what was needed.

Really, what or who can judge any of it?

This is the source of my real laughter at anyone who would fight the patterns

I laugh hardest at myself.

All things in there own time for each person. Kinda growing into what ever may become of me and us, each and everyone.

These are indeed interesting times, with the advent of the 🦠 I’ve had a sense of calm.

I’ve already had the 🦠 as far as I can tell. For me it was not a major issue. But being over 65, I was under no illusions as to my fate if I had gotten to the ventilator stage. I don’t have the “long green” as we used to say.

I have to say the view is interesting 🧐 from this POV.

More and more, I fight less and less.

A virus is another pattern or monad.

We can just work and interact with what shows up.

Makes life fairly simple to navigate from this awareness.

Though what is happening appears incredibly complex.

I can’t say I am this or that at this point but I can say it a most amazing adventure and I am certain that this will continue. I see no end.

I don’t think we have the words. That to me is the meta. Over the past couple of years I’ve been studying the evolution of human language. That and the Axial age I think has been a trail of crumbs that gave a little insight. Words are spells they do have power... More than most know.

You actually have all the words you need all the time.

That one soul can be seen to influence another to Leibniz is not possible.

Souls are windowless houses.

The soul or monad is always complete.

If you have not, look into monads.

He felt every monad mirrors the universe.

I think he's right.

He rejected matter and saw a universe of monad souls.

Each monad will always spontaneously reflect the universe.

Harmony underlying appearances is compelling proof of this.

You aren't made of atoms, but monads.

Leibniz is fun, what a free thinking dude.

He hid his real work.

Nothing happens without a reason.

The sufficient reason of your actions though have no logical necessity.

Haha, that's good stuff.

As if God itself was speaking and looking right at us.

We sound like gods, because we reflect the Big Love.

When you aren't afraid of that anymore, something will click and then it's afterburners to the center of being.

WOW

Hmmm can’t see us as reflectors. We can let the light shine from within.

But as I am always want to say,”I don’t think we’ll be returning to the source anytime soon, if ever.

We, I think are not destined to be bored or boring for eternity.

And yeah I wholeheartedly agree what ever is to come will be incredibly complex. Yay

I was just thinking about the multiverse.

I saw a grapevine.

How about things that become part of this monad are sometimes inter-dimensionally grafted in as needed.

What about substance being shut to extension?

What is grafting then I wondered.

"Grafting is a technique that vegetatively joins two plants into one. Instead of cross-pollinating two plants and producing a hybrid seed, grafted plants use the roots and the bottom portion of one plant (rootstock) and attach it to a tender shoot (scion) from the top portion of another plant."

Fungus!

Look at the strands connecting galaxies.

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A gnostic would say this is the worst possible world.

Hmmmm

So what was Lebniz's esoteric thought?

We should explore that, his shamanic side.

The BPW was Leibniz's popular theory.

He tried to fix some errors he found in Aristotle that he never published.

He talks about compossibles.

We need to talk about that Dan.

Much of his god talk was for popular consumption.

Plato did this too maybe.

Noble liars.

They can't lie to me, I want it all.

Hit me dudes!

Full light intensity please?!

wk, being a reflection in this context means from within.

We are made of possible stuff and similar to the harmony or we couldn't relax.

We have our scripts in hand.

And we can't really deviate much from it and if so ,it is compensated for.

That can bring a great relief once you let go and trust it.

I wouldn't speak of it, unless I experienced it.

Adjustment Team is a great PKD story I think that captures the concept well.

There is much I want to dig into with Dan.

Because I MUST!

It is in my script.

I know my lines.

Now, I don't have a decision on my view of this idea of Leibniz yet, because I haven't arrived there yet. I have to get there myself.

Leibniz sees an infinite number of spirits and we appear in it as phenomena.

Just appearances.

God, if true, we are eternal and just fucking really relax.

Why the phenomena?

Some would say, it's just love or a cosmic orgasm or just because they create things and we appear here.

And others kill themselves because there is nothing for them here.

Well, there is something happening here, I will tell you.

I have no plans of exiting the stage, but perhaps I meet a tragic end?

I hope it is quick.

Amor Fati

How many licks does it take to get to the center of a tootsie pop?

The world may never know.

Now Dan must think me the dumbest goat to be confused or in doubt of this.

It is what it is.

I'm just not there yet.

See, it is already written, I know I will get there.

Haha.

Why don't I just give in then, right?

Because I can't.

I have to wrestle it out.

It hurts.

Death is not an easy thing, psychic or physical.

But I'll tell you, I wouldn't change anything I have been.

The better you know your lines, the more you get the vibe of the character and you can anticipate what's coming kind of.

You have to get there yourself.

Or you think this all rubbish.

As anyone likes.

It doesn't matter at all who listens or doesn't.

See, this is the part in the comedy, where I question my free will and find a great Truth and suffer a great tragedy, but it will be funny

If we can still laugh, we shouldn't kill ourselves.

But when the laughs are gone for me, so will I be...but not yet.

Jesus, I can see my big fat death right here in front of me.

HaHa

**goat begins shaking**

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Whoa, I see.

I will lose some of my hard won sense of freedom and it does not go easy.

Cause what does a monad really have but what it is itself?

An essence has nothing material.

It can only appear to.

That's the hard part.

This is the price of seeing in the light.

Like waking up slowly from a dream.

But I am addicted to dreaming.

I'm gonna have one hell of a headache in the morning.

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So these are kinda coming out like my mental notes as topics to discuss with Dan later.

So I am kind of queueing him to where I am and we will see what happens.

So, monads can not actually interact, they can correspond!

Within each monad is an awareness of all the other ones.

Fun, like a billion eyes watching us.

Like in Escher, how the angels and demons fade into infinity at the edge of the pi.

They have a structure and programs and evolve together within phenomena.

Or so Leibniz says

Very powerful ideas I must say, they exert a pull on me like a magnet.

The monads are correlated through the shared underlying shared harmony.

Like all these essences combining and loving this into existence.

The fractal flowers always blooming.

Every monad is self determining.

Ultimate freedom.

Need to chew on all this.

Tastes funny.

I like it.

Easy there turbo.

Watch out for Dan, he's too smart for his own good.

I'm not worried the goat will be hypnotized.

Ack wrote:Easy there turbo.

Watch out for Dan, he's too smart for his own good.

I'm not worried the goat will be hypnotized.

Dan was hypnotized by Leibniz, wanna know what dan means, have to know what you can about Leibniz.

Dan has been repeating himself for a long time.

**goat fart**

very well

Cy must have changed my avatar.

I didn’t.

It would be a minor miracle for the goat to come around to the BPWH...... after all these years.  

I have invested a considerable amount in the goat ...... and not always by choice, quite admittedly.  He was a very persistent goat .  

If he does come around, he would be the first, ever.  It would make my whole day....... we’ll see what happens tomorrow.  I’m looking forward to it.  

The goat is rather more mercurial than the chick ....... we’ll have to make allowances.  Also I’ve had foot 🦶 and Princess to hold my hand.  Goat has none of that ilk, besides the chick , poor guy.  

It will be a big test to see if the big three can be extended, simply by word of mouth...... without any additional disclosure.  

Speaking of the foot 🦶, I haven’t heard from him for several weeks.  I’m afraid to ask the Princess .  One possibility is that the virus 🦠 is doing serious political damage to his boy....... donny.  If foot and chicken were having a magical face off, my team might have cheated..... just a little bit.  foot might have thought that he had an hegemony on the virus 🦠 game...... maybe not so much.  We beat him to the punch.  Wuhan was a sneak attack.  I’ll be glad to take full credit.  

Maybe the chick really is in charge of Disclosure, after all.  Let’s see who’s the boss......

It would be a big boost to have the goat on chick ’s team.  Then I would be angling to win over 3.  Every one wants to be on the winning team....... maybe even foot 🦶, if donny goes down.  Who did donny ever think he was, besides the antichrist?

From the start, I had a sneaking suspicion that this would be the best possible virus 🦠.  What foot 🦶 had lined up were going to be a lot meaner.  That’s why chick had to cheat..... sorry about that.  

foot had to send two teams to Wuhan to figure out what was going on.  I wonder whose finger prints they found...... the same ones as in vegas?

But that means that time really is getting short.  3 might know more about the timeline.  

I wonder if the goat is prepared for the cosmic politics...... so innocent..... looking!..... sort of like the chick .  The Princess has always accused me of being too stealthy.  She made me wear a tutu to 3.5’s ballet class....... can you imagine?


2:30/ft/gmt-3.............

smelly,

Check your personal messages.  Cy is suggesting that we use OMF’s conference facilities....... at least as a start.  

Other things being equal, let’s try to keep things in the family, as long as we can.  

But, speaking of the foot.......

I am being given some kudos for my preemptive strike, with my ‘feeble’ virus.  But, he’s also saying that it’s the best possible virus for donny, who, nonetheless, has been put under some strain.  

Essentially, this means we have a free hand with Disclosure, until after the election.  We’d better make the best possible use of this window.  

To Chivo........

Cy has offered full access to OMFs facilities for our conferencing.

Oh, yes, smelly..... and how was your trip to Damascus?

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I have offered to help you share your BPW stuff clearer.

Consider it penance for my trolling Disclosure.

OK, BPW, what more do you want to say about it in today's context?

I find the monad stuff fascinating, Leibniz based his work on the Greeks and St. Anselm and others.

He seems to have improved on Descartes and Spinoza.

Kant added to his work.

I am very curious what Dan knows about Leibniz's esoteric unpublished work.

Is he right, shrug.

I have been honest that I don't have a solid opinion about essence vs. existence.

I see both.

The goat does the work.

The goat puts his money where his mouth is.

I am fairly up to speed on the BPW broad strokes.

It needs to be relevant and current.

Like, this smart guy goes, hey, we are monads.

Why?

I already feel the underlying harmony.

So we meet at the bottom.

Is there any real disagreement?

Not really.

So I'm not sure what Dan thinks I'm missing.

As always, I attempt to make practical what is found.

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I'm agnostic about politics.

I have no judgement really of any of this.

I am here.

I do feel that whatever happens is the best thing.

I'm testing the freeconcall software Dan.

You need to download the freeconcall software Dan and test it on your end.

Looks ok so far.

Appears we can download vid call and I can upload to Youtube.

We would use Youtube later for livestreams if you want to do any of those.

Cy's option seems like a good tool if perf is good, otherwise I was going to suggest we use Zoom.

As far as you uploading to Mind Mix radio, you guys do anything you like with the sessions.

If I can help her with any tech tasks, happy to.

But I want to upload these to these youtube channel if you are ok with that and you own the youtube channel.

If Cy wants to cross post, happy to help her do so.

Do we just still want to do a 1:1 call this Sat at 1pm or do you want to add others?

Let's say 1-3pm?

Were you just in Damascus Dan?

I’m embarrassed by how little I know of Leibniz, my mentor....... either esoteric or exoteric.  

He had zero sense of eschatology.  

In the BPWH, the Source monad is eternal.  Willy had his infinity ♾ of monads being coeternal....... not too smart.  

Willy was just not as smart as he looked.

Monadist /=/ monist...... too bad!


If anyone else would like to participate in our conversation, tomorrow, they just need to let us know....... 443799 seven two oh one..... etc.....



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So I prob know more about Leibniz now than Dan.

Of course.

You see what he did up there ^^^.

Haha.

Dan has one story and he's sticking to it.

OK, so what does Dan REALLY want to talk about?

Or is he just distracting still?

Shrug.

I'm on lockdown.

I got all the time in the world to wait this muppet out.

El Chivo wrote:So I prob know more about Leibniz now than Dan.

Of course.

You see what he did up there ^^^.

Haha.

Dan has one story and he's sticking to it.

OK, so what does Dan REALLY want to talk about?

Or is he just distracting still?

Shrug.

I'm on lockdown.

I got all the time in the world to wait this muppet out.

"I'm on lockdown" Why??????

I am not, I been fishin.

Listen to this...…









Hobbit