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Post by dan Wed May 22, 2019 4:08 am

First topic message reminder :

Ok, sports fans.........

Before we ask ourselves any other questions........

Here is the #1 priority question........

Who the heck do we think we are?  

I’m not aware that this question has ever been seriously asked before.  The only precedent of which I’m aware is when it was simply posed by Paul Gauguin.  

I would not pose this question unless I thought I had the rudiments of an answer.  I’m seeking help from anyone who would be willing to participate in fleshing out the answer.  
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(The continuation of this ‘topic post’ is the no. 3 post (on the first page https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t361-who-do-we-think-we-are ) of this topic.....)


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Post by whoknows Tue Jun 04, 2019 11:08 am

ack wrote:Dan is not past is sell date either.

Actually that comment was directed at both, Dan and smelly. Bless their shriveled little hearts.

And to me, and I've said it before, I don't check others with out checking my self.

Ack you are going to, hopefully, be old much longer than you are young (BTW the shines already getting a bit dull). But gotta tell ya the truth... the longer you live the more your brain suffers. It shrinks and suffers any number of other injuries, all just living.

But please don't get me wrong, a lot of truths, I feel are, being explored here. But I have still never seen a more immutable truth than Love.


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Post by FatThorDude Tue Jun 04, 2019 11:13 am

You are an odorless pretending parrot Ack sack, but you know how you wobble.

We all do.
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Post by hobbit Tue Jun 04, 2019 11:14 am

Dan

consciousness is not made by persons, it makes persons, dogs, horses, alligators, elephants, mosquitos, bugs, planets, stars and aliens.


This planet does not make a magnetic field, it is consciousness spinning about it in phase conjugate flows .


Humans for some reason/s have evolved strangely to think they are top of the pile, this is arrogance overload and garbage.


Alligators view humans as chicken sandwiches.


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Post by whoknows Tue Jun 04, 2019 11:16 am

ack wrote:Now, did you know that love = logos?

lol Ack, silly boy.
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Post by dan Tue Jun 04, 2019 11:21 am

hobbit,

You missed my little breakthrough, back on the other page........

The various cyclical flows you concern yourself with, are an aspect of the Tao.  Qi is just another word for the flow.

Yes, the Tao is the path, but, more than the path, it really is the Source of Qi.  

So here is what you Nature freaks have been missing....... the Buddha, very widely, is recognized as the Incarnation of the Source.  

Therefore, when Jesus refers to the Father, there is a strong sense in which he is referring to Buddha.  

That would clear up a lot of historical ambiguity.  


2:45........

This would be one step toward bringing the East into the prophetic fold....... almost after the fact...... but it’s never too late.

E&h would say that we are with the Force.  Ack and I respond that the Force is with us.  

When the force enters the channel of history, near the commencement of the Piscean age, it splits into Love and Logos...... only to be recombined at the start of the Aquarian age.  



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Post by hobbit Tue Jun 04, 2019 11:50 am

Chi.

The eternal flows of universe, flowing in all dimensions, tripping into locations of least resistance, reversing and flowing out again.


That which becomes ENTANGLED IN 3D CREATION compounds and transmutes into an ever expanding planet.


It is all things in 3D.


All things in 3D creation only exist whilst enveloped within a field of such that forms dual vortex forms best shown by leadbeater as ANU.






We have a sense that can detect this, as We are such ourselves, material objects of the planet are incapable of this detection due to been relative to the location they were at rest.

TT Brown made a device capable of reacting to the flows called a gravitor/gravitator.

It displaced relative to variations in the flows, and they were located in deep underground location about the globe, they all recorded instantly at precise time globally.


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Post by FatThorDude Tue Jun 04, 2019 12:01 pm

Yah, what hobbit said about persons trying to be on top, they aren't.

There is no such conception outside of the egoic mind.

Interesting end run Dan.

Again, you don't have to fulfill any prophecy.

It is always immediately here.

You are roughly describing the way energy flows into our fields.

Hobbit knows this much better than you it seems.

I don't concern myself with such details.

Not relevant in my own field here.

Ack isn't even tracking in the same galaxy.

Keep tryin Commander Ack Sack!

Maybe Ron will promote you soon for being a good little puppy.

You aren't special, you are just a common UFO pretender.
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Post by dan Tue Jun 04, 2019 12:30 pm

Ok, hobbit,

You wish to say that we don’t make Qi/consciousness...... rather, Qi makes us.  

We might as well ask if we made the Logos, or the Logos made us.  

I gather, hobbit, that you are not familiar with pratītyasamutpāda, or codependent arising.  

I believe that codependency is a bit nearer to the truth.  

Another way to look at codependency is to consider the primordial potency...... or potentiality.  

This harks back to the primordial why........ why is there something rather than nothing.  

Well, the question itself presupposes the possibility of something.  

Where/how resides possibility/potentiality?

The realm of potency is more the realm of mind than of things

It’s the old question of chicken and egg..... mind and matter.

It is at this point, hobbit, the you depart from the fringe physics crowd....... where you countenance mind over matter, with your cosmic consciousness.



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Post by FatThorDude Tue Jun 04, 2019 12:35 pm

Distractions from what is always here.

The walls of the kingdom come down!

Commander Ack Sack...to the Stars!!!

I'm an atheist that cant leave God alone.

"I am forced by the nature of your listening to always negate the first statement with another statement. Then the second statement is negated by a third and so on. My aim is not some comfy dialectical thesis but the total negation of everything that can be expressed."

Unable to believe anything, but I admire it all, I love it all.

I am not disssolving reality before I can glimpse it.

I do not reject my experiences like UG did.

I don't have to prove no God or God, we can just go on our merry wayz.

There is no conflict or problem to be resolved.

We are in the jet wash of a shift of consciousness, it isn't going to make sense and philosophy isn't going to help.

Someone you prob don't know Ack, Wittgenstein, was convinced that the problems of philosophy arose from linguistic bewitchment, we have demonstrated this.

https://philosophyforchange.wordpress.com/2014/03/11/meaning-is-use-wittgenstein-on-the-limits-of-language/

Buddha and Jesus were good guys, but they made that shit up.

So when you refer to the J-man, where is he here?

You think if no Jesus, no access?

Bullshit.

You lose your skepticism, you lose your edge.

It's always here and then words are not the experience, only a memory, they aren't really even needed.
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Post by hobbit Tue Jun 04, 2019 12:55 pm

dan wrote:Ok, hobbit,

You wish to say that we don’t make Qi/consciousness...... rather, Qi makes us.  

We might as well ask if we made the Logos, or the Logos made us.  

I gather, hobbit, that you are not familiar with pratītyasamutpāda, or codependent arising.  

I believe that codependency is a bit nearer to the truth.  

Another way to look at codependency is to consider the primordial potency...... or potentiality.  



(cont.......)

If You are going to throw words like that prat one please supply a link, words do My head in.

I still prefer STUFF, it is such , reich termed it orgone due to Him living in Oregon, it's STUFF.

He and the Chinese recognised its duality, it is one but spinning 720 degrees, It's not a perfect balance that is required, but that which is detectable is 55/34.

55 implosion over 34 outrush.


the 21 been utilised in creation.


That ratio has a consequence called gravity/time .

The moon is likely 13/8, therefore the consequence is different, the creation is different, they should not bring any material from the moon to here as it will seek to go to rest in the condition relative to here.


This is what so called radiation is, it is materials seeking to go to rest, hence it will take from other living entities.


It is not radiating out, it is imploding to attain rest.


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Post by FatThorDude Tue Jun 04, 2019 1:20 pm

That whereof we cannot speak, thereof we must remain silent’, Wittgenstein.

“To become a philosopher, one must learn to hold one’s tongue.”

Good luck with that.

My philosophy is my humor.

It’s a form of play.

My words are word play.

But you are trapped by your words.
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Post by dan Tue Jun 04, 2019 1:20 pm

Now, don’t get me wrong hobbit.....,,,

I believe we agree that the world is eternal.  

When I speak of the Primordial, I am not referring to the dimension of time.  

I am, perhaps, contemplating a second or logical dimension of  time..... it might be the dimension of the Logos..... or rather the dimension where the Logos takes shape.  

This is a more fluid/permeable/transcendental realm.  Shape shifting is the norm...... where logic and proportion fall sloppy dead, if you will.

This is smelly’s realm of choice.  

The world of ordinary appearance is just the surface of that other realm.  Yes, it is also the hive.  

This is the natural home or source of your telluric currents, hobbit.  This realm is the buffer/filter between us and the Monad.  

It is similar to our collective unconscious.

If cosmic consciousness is alluded to, there is an implicit acknowledgement of a foundational unity of consciousness.  

It is the self which is the unifier of personal consciousness...... through threads of meaning and narrative.  

Is there a corresponding cosmic Self.  I have suggested that the Buddha is our dimensional manifestation of that self.  

Would this cosmic self not be omniscient?  No more so than are you and I, potentially.

Could we sit down and have a beer with the cosmic self?  Yes, that is the basic idea of personhood.  

Our every little action has already been mapped out in the hive.  Our deepest secrets are broadcast on Hive radio.  

Our free will plays out in the deeper dimensions...... not here, on the surface.  

Do keep in mind, sports fans, that we are all just time sharing on the cosmic soul....... so is the Buddha.  


11:15........

If I say that Buddha saves, what happens with Islam?  What happens with Hinduism.  

Was Buddha a personalist?  Perhaps, in retrospect...... in the larger historical context.  He certainly gave rise to a tradition of psychonauts.  He was an antidote to the excesses of organized religion.  He was a beacon to many individualists.  

Perhaps a personal role can be found for Arjuna within Hinduism.  

That would leave mainly Islam unaccounted for.

Islam would be the orphan child of the prophetic tradition.  

I’m not saying that Buddha alone saves.  Does Jesus alone?  

I’m thinking that we have to understand these five historical moments to understand our salvation through history.  Arjuna being the least historical.  

Also the scientific tradition is left out.  Must Newton be sanctified?  I’m doubtful.  I’m very doubtful.  

Even Arjuna could well be a bridge too far.   Buddha might be the only possible addition to our little pantheon.  


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Post by hobbit Tue Jun 04, 2019 1:21 pm

Ack wrote:
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Commander Ack Sack...to the Stars!!!
Exactly!

To the stars we go!

TTSA is our only competition.

I think we have an edge on them, dont you?

Maybe knockin on heavens door?
Here's an angel singing that.



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Post by FatThorDude Tue Jun 04, 2019 1:21 pm

Ack wrote:
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Commander Ack Sack...to the Stars!!!
Exactly!

To the stars we go!

TTSA is our only competition.

I think we have an edge on them, dont you?

They don’t have me, so yah, you have a HUUUGE advantage.

But alas, no one is getting out of here alive.
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Post by hobbit Wed Jun 05, 2019 1:59 am

https://www.academia.edu/39338994/Babylon_Cosmology?email_work_card=thumbnail-desktop

At some point someone is going to realise that our ancestors were simply detecting the geometry that is ALWAYS there.

A cube within a sphere, sounds like the earth is a UFO?

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Post by dan Wed Jun 05, 2019 5:49 am

Finally, hobbit begins to see the light,

The Earth is a ufo...........

It is only another baby step, hobbit, to see the Earth as holodeck.  

If you can give us that much, I promise to cede Buddha to smelly, even though smelly doesn’t really want Buddha.  

I think we might need Buddha, in order to properly represent the Monad within history.  

We’ll have to check this out with Ack.  

Does promoting Buddha mean demoting Jesus.

Not to me, it doesn’t.

Jesus represents Love/agape. Buddha incarnates the Monad. He provides a buffer between chicken little and the j guy.



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Post by GSB/SSR Wed Jun 05, 2019 6:21 am

The new American religion of UFOs
Belief in aliens is like faith in religion — and may come to replace it.

By Sean Illing

https://www.vox.com/culture/2019/6/4/18632778/ufo-aliens-american-cosmic-diana-pasulka

"But as for the evidence we found, I hate to be equivocal about it, but I honestly still don’t know what it was. I just can’t explain it. The material we discovered, and the other pieces of evidence that have emerged, are genuinely anomalous, and that’s about the most we can say about it."


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Post by dan Wed Jun 05, 2019 6:38 am

Yes, it looks like Gary is being dragged home, kicking and screaming......

Several times, Q tries to get Diana to commit to ETs, but she flat out refuses, every time.  

She’s my gal...... she can be my d gal, anytime.  
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Anyway, I’m hopeful that things will begin to settle down, now that we have the b guy on board...... it took awhile. The b guy adds much needed cosmic/monadic ballast.

The b guy personifies the abyss...... per impossible.

The b glue is, even more than the cosmic Self, is the glue that holds the world together.



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Post by hobbit Wed Jun 05, 2019 6:39 am

dan wrote:Finally, hobbit begins to see the light,

The Earth is a ufo...........

It is only another baby step, hobbit, to see the Earth as holodeck.  

If you can give us that much, I promise to cede Buddha to smelly, even though smelly doesn’t really want Buddha.  

I think we might need Buddha, in order to properly represent the Monad within history.  

We’ll have to check this out with Ack.  

Does promoting Buddha mean demoting Jesus.  

Not to me, it doesn’t.

Jesus represents Love/agape.  Buddha incarnates the Monad.  He provides a buffer between chicken little and the j guy.  



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